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Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:41 PM

Where on his body was Trayvon shot?

I must be blind or not adept as skimming articles...

One person I know says it was in the back (I don't know where she got that info).....but certainly can't find confirmation of that either.

We keeping hearing about Zimmermans injury but not so much about the cumulative injuries of Trayvon.

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Reply Where on his body was Trayvon shot? (Original post)
Sheepshank Mar 2012 OP
seabeyond Mar 2012 #1
MADem Mar 2012 #2
arcane1 Mar 2012 #3
X_Digger Mar 2012 #5
Quixote1818 Mar 2012 #4
MADem Mar 2012 #8
JDPriestly Mar 2012 #22
Little Star Mar 2012 #6
Posteritatis Mar 2012 #11
sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #7
MADem Mar 2012 #9
sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #13
Little Star Mar 2012 #16
MADem Mar 2012 #18
JDPriestly Mar 2012 #23
X_Digger Mar 2012 #10
sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #14
arcane1 Mar 2012 #12
MADem Mar 2012 #15
Little Star Mar 2012 #17
MADem Mar 2012 #19
shraby Mar 2012 #20
JDPriestly Mar 2012 #21

Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:46 PM

1. i heard chest. nt

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:46 PM

2. I understand that the injury was to his chest. I might be mistaken about that.

I also have no idea from which direction the bullet that caused the fatal injury travelled before it entered his chest (if that's where it did, indeed, end up).

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Response to MADem (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:50 PM

3. Did they even do any forensics to determine any of that?

I heard it was the chest too, but what I haven't heard is whether any attempt to recreate the scene was done, like one would normally expect when someone is shot dead. Was it point blank? Was it from 30 feet away? Who knows?

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:53 PM

5. I'm sure they did, but..

Because we haven't seen it in the news, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I know if I were Trayvon's family, I wouldn't want autopsy photos, etc released to the press.

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Response to MADem (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 02:52 PM

4. I think this is a key part of the investigation


If the gun was fired several feet away and not at point blank range, this would show that Martin was not on top of Zimmerman and punching him at the time and those were Martin's crys for help. If there was distance between them and a fight had taken place then Zimmerman would know Martin was un-armed and fired anyway. Clearly that would not be self defense.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:14 PM

8. Indeed, and it is possible to deliver a chest injury from the BACK, as well. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:56 PM

22. Especially at close range.

The important facts here are that Zimmerman was some distance away from Trayvon when Zimmerman called 911. In that call, Zimmerman stated (and suggested) that Trayvon was running away from him.

Zimmerman was instructed not to follow Trayvon. Trayvon was killed not far from the house to which he was headed.

You have to think that the rules of evidence will prevent some of the "facts" we think we know from being considered by a jury. Zimmerman's statements in the 911 call he made may harm his case in my opinion. But it's up to a jury, so you never, never know.

Think about the OJ trial. So many people were convinced he would be convicted -- but there was a problem with the time-line. It troubled the jury so that they did not convict.

No matter the outcome of the Zimmerman case, it illustrates the problems with a law that discourages law enforcement from detaining or arresting a person who claims to have killed in self-defense. That is not acceptable.




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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:03 PM

6. I heard it was in the chest and..

that made me question if a person is shot in the chest does the person fall forward on their stomach?

It caught my attention because this witness said:


Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."

Cutcher added that Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police.

"Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/25/10854229-witness-zimmerman-never-tried-to-help-trayvon-martin


How did Zimmerman get straddled over Trayvon's back if Travon was shot in the chest? And why was he straddled over his back? I hope these kind of things get answered eventually.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:24 PM

11. They often would; bullets don't throw people around like in the movies. (nt)

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:08 PM

7. Good question. The NYT says he was shot in the chest:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/police-chief-draws-fire-in-trayvon-martin-shooting.html

Mr. Zimmerman, 28, a white Hispanic, told the police that he shot Trayvon in self-defense after an altercation. The teenager was walking home from a convenience store, where he bought iced tea and Skittles, when he was shot once in the chest.


He was lying face down. Would someone fall on their face if they were shot in the chest? I really don't know, so why I am asking. Also from what distance was he shot? If he was very close I suppose he could have fallen on his face. But witnesses say he was on the ground when he was crying for help, then stopped after the gunshot.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:16 PM

9. You can conceivably deliver a wound to the chest from the back or the side.

The chest is rather like an oval barrel--you can shoot into it from any angle.

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Response to MADem (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:27 PM

13. Thanks, I know nothing about this, so have been wondering about it.

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Response to MADem (Reply #9)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:40 PM

16. So Trayvon could have been face down with..

Zimmerman straddling his back and be shot in the chest?

I know that you can't tell me that's what actually happened. My question is could that have happened?

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Response to Little Star (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:50 PM

18. Easily. Or he could have been grappling with the kid and shot him in the side.

Or anywhere right under the ribcage, with the trajectory pointing up to the chest.

We will have to wait to see the trajectory of the bullet from the autopsy report.

When they say "chest" we don't know if they mean that is where the bullet entered, or that's where the bullet did its dirty work. We simply have very little to go on.

What I do know, though, is that Zimmerman was in no danger of having Skittles shoved up his nose and being waterboarded with an Arizona Iced Tea by that kid. Beyond that, I know that the kid with the candy and the drink is dead, and the guy with the gun hasn't answered for his part in all that.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:57 PM

23. Trayvon may have been shot in the chest from a distance, short or long,

and then attempted to crawl. We have no facts about any of this. We just can't assume much at all.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:19 PM

10. With a 9mm? It's possible.

Many police departments don't use 9mm because it doesn't have enough power to stop an attacker quickly.

Lots of folks are used to seeing the hollywood version of a gunfight where a shot picks someone up and throws them backward through a plate glass window.

If that were true, Newton's third law would mean that the shooter would *also* be thrown into the air, in the *opposite* direction.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:30 PM

14. True, most of us don't have much experience with shooting people, so the only image we have of such

barbaric behavior is from the movies. I am happy to say btw.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:26 PM

12. It's possible Trayvon was on the ground when he was shot

perhaps lying on his back. Then, shot in the chest, and eventually rolls over.

Speculation, I admit.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:34 PM

15. Or shot in the back.

The bullet travelling into the chest, perhaps to the heart, from the opposite side and causing death.

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Response to MADem (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:44 PM

17. In other words...

Being shot in the chest doesn't necessarily mean shot from the front? Am I getting that right, cause I have no idea how this works?

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Response to Little Star (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:56 PM

19. Hard to know if they are talking about the direction or where the wounds were made.

You could shoot someone in their liver from a bunch of different angles, for example--or shoot them in the heart from the back, or the side, or even shooting upward.

We're hearing third hand accounts, so there's just no way to know. I will be paying attention to the trial, if we can get to that point, and I'll bet I am not alone.

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Response to Little Star (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:59 PM

20. An examination of the wounds would tell a lot..and entry wound is much smaller than

the exit wound. Nothing has been published about the wound at all, just that he was shot in the chest.
A request for records from the funeral home that prepared the body for burial might be in order, because the police may/may not have done an autopsy..as sloppy as their work has been so far.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:41 PM

21. I have been wondering the same thing.

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