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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe are truly in an "Age of Ignorance"
An educated, well-informed population, the kind that a functioning democracy requires, would be difficult to lie to, and could not be led by the nose by the various vested interests running amok in this country. Most of our politicians and their political advisers and lobbyists would find themselves unemployed, and so would the gasbags who pass themselves off as our opinion makers. Luckily for them, nothing so catastrophic, even though perfectly well-deserved and widely-welcome, has a remote chance of occurring any time soon. For starters, theres more money to be made from the ignorant than the enlightened, and deceiving Americans is one of the few growing home industries we still have in this country. A truly educated populace would be bad, both for politicians and for business.
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In the past, if someone knew nothing and talked nonsense, no one paid any attention to him. No more. Now such people are courted and flattered by conservative politicians and ideologues as Real Americans defending their country against big government and educated liberal elites. The press interviews them and reports their opinions seriously without pointing out the imbecility of what they believe. The hucksters, who manipulate them for the powerful financial interests, know that they can be made to believe anything, because, to the ignorant and the bigoted, lies always sound better than truth:
Christians are persecuted in this country.
The government is coming to get your guns.
Obama is a Muslim.
Global Warming is a hoax.
The president is forcing open homosexuality on the military.
Schools push a left-wing agenda.
Social Security is an entitlement, no different from welfare.
Obama hates white people.
The life on earth is 10,000 years old and so is the universe.
The safety net contributes to poverty.
The government is taking money from you and giving it to sex-crazed college women to pay for their birth control.
One could easily list many more such commonplace delusions believed by Americans. They are kept in circulation by hundreds of right-wing political and religious media outlets whose function is to fabricate an alternate reality for their viewers and their listeners. Stupidity is sometimes the greatest of historical forces, Sidney Hook said once. No doubt. What we have in this country is the rebellion of dull minds against the intellect. Thats why they love politicians who rail against teachers indoctrinating children against their parents values and resent the ones who show ability to think seriously and independently. Despite their bravado, these fools can always be counted on to vote against their self-interest. And that, as far as Im concerned, is why millions are being spent to keep my fellow citizens ignorant.
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/mar/20/age-of-ignorance/
russspeakeasy
(6,539 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)of so much growing willful ignorance in our so-called "information age"
Carolina
(6,960 posts)but we also have the educated, highly educated as in doctors, veterinarians, lawyers, teachers (!)) who buy the lies, too.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)He told her that his malpractice insurance was $25,000 a year and that Single-Payer and "Obamacare" (his words) would mean he wouldn't be making enough money to afford it. (And his nice house, Mercedes-Benz, Caribbean vacations, etc...)
Went to OpenSecrets a while ago. The numbers of the area's prominent medical people who donate to ReTHUGlicans was eye-opening. So was the number of Lawyers who gave to the DNC.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)which would make them model republicons.
Also, it seems from my experience that many of them are in a state of arrested development as far as their personalities go. My theory is that they were too busy with their noses in books in college to develop social skills.
I am not saying they are all this way, I am just throwing a theory out there about why so many would support the party of the greedy.
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)I've known some who were brilliant doctors, but social um, "misfits"? (don't say the ARRR word!)
Whiskeytide
(4,458 posts)... or at least vote democrat. Republicans favor business interests which favor tort reform which favors keeping people out of court which results in less business for lawyers. Even most of my defense lawyer friends have seen the light.
tblue37
(64,860 posts)having a good general education or an ability to reason well. Extreme specialization in any field requires a good memory, a lot of practice, and a cerrtain amount of self-discipline (to stick with the necessary study and practice for years), but it does not require wide-ranging knowledge or the ability to think clearly, logically, or independently.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)and blame it on what professions call "specialization".
i call it compartmentalization.
i remember when, as a graduate student, i had the opportunity to spend some social time with professors i admired. i thought they were the best informed and smartest folk i had encountered until i brought up subjects that they had not specialized in. i was surprised at how much of what i considered to be common knowledge, they had not incorporated into their world views.
edited to add: yes tblue37. you said it much better than i.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)The more educated - or even just self-aware - you are, the less likely you are to believe their bullshit...
What is stunning to me are the fundamentalist fools who keep on being single-issue abortion voters even though when Bush held the White House AND the Congress, and had a real chance to do something about the issue for "the base", the only thing he did was cut taxes and hand out barrels of cash to his pals...
These people not only vote against their interests, they behave like battered wives and DEFEND the bastards who are brutalizing them on top of it all.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Exactly. And do you think that such behavior would indicate a sort of mental illness?
left coaster
(1,093 posts)BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)Wasn't too noticeable when the Soviet Union was open for business, but now with no other "Others" than their fellow Murikans...
It's easy to get such Authoritarian sheep riled up and lining up at the recruitment office for your next Holy War someplace.
It's why we have such brainstorms as Arne Duncan, NCLB, and "Teaching the TEST", and the Cult of the Zygote. They're all so careful for you until you're born, then they don't want to know you until you're military age.
Bainbridge Bear
(155 posts)when he chastised Obama for wanting Americans to pursue a college education by calling him a "snob". Stupid is the New Normal.
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)are not part of the corporacracy that benefits from the right-wing politicians giveaway of the treasury every time the rePIGlicans gain control of the government.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,129 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)a Republican Party - and the elite can't have that. Excellent post.
hunter
(38,240 posts)Professor Simac hit a nerve.
Many of the comments, both for and against, fully support his assertion.
wavesofeuphoria
(525 posts)hunter
(38,240 posts)... ain't that the worst?
polichick
(37,152 posts)As I recall, it was in a debate.
bluedigger
(17,073 posts)And sheep.
niyad
(112,065 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)I am also well old enough to remember the sixties and I don't remember (politically) much being different back then either. I mean George Wallace, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and many many more right wing, demagogue, nut case, gas bags were plying their trade then too. We also we're involved in a civil war that was none of our business same as now. Keep up the good work voicing what should be obvious and maybe some people will finally learn from history and stop repeating it. Thanks.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)But, the glaring difference between then and now, as I see it, is the 24/7 delivery system the RW crazies have at their disposal, i.e. RW hate radio and Faux Noise.
Back in the day, they didn't have an all-pervasive, national forum to spew their insane views.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)TrogL
(32,818 posts)After the Saturday morning cartoons, they ruled the airwaves for most of Saturday and all Sunday. They were also all over the radio. They'd gang-call the local call-in show no matter what the topic and start babbling about Jaysus.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Which was primed by the vitriolic hate language from such luminaries as Hannity, Limbaugh, Malkin, Coulter and their imitators. Sarah was the person who opened the floodgates, flinging the doors open for racism, bigotry and stupidity to come forth as viable alternatives.
She's just the latest version of Pandora's Box, unleashing untold hatred and rage and fear. It was always there, of course, but it was kept where it belonged, behind closed doors and in the dark. With some luck it will go back under the rocks it belongs under.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Boom!
oops!
gulliver
(13,142 posts)It's not like there are just a few in the Republican party who know that all of the above is bullshit and use it to pull the strings of the imbeciles. That isn't the only thing going on. As Dostoevsky noted in Underground Man, there are reasons for denying "two and two make four." In fact, everyone does it all the time. It's fun. The problem with the Republicans is that they don't have a good hold on their own reins.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)be in concentration camps. Nothing has changed in the slightest. While we wring our hands and try to be inclusive, these animals are trying to figure out how to eliminate us.
TatonkaJames
(530 posts)Ever since Eisenhower gave his M.I.C. speech.
azul
(1,638 posts)The $20b/year statin business has finally had to fess up to memory loss problems in the recent FDA warnings. But is anybody telling the story or listening? The brain requires lots of cholesterol to function properly; low fat diet plus blocked cholesterol synthesis yields sub-optimal brain performance.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)It makes it easier to swallow their lot in life and to keep working against their own best interests and for the wealth enrichment of the .001 percent.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Best line of the article, IMO.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)but when he spoke in an ordinary voice he sounded pompous and faggy to them.
Cobalt-60
(3,078 posts)Republicans are proud of their ignorance now.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)IT's truly amazing to watch this transformation to an Ignorocracy playing out all around us. We humans have a larger brain, but it's animals who believe thier instincts and act accordingly - reacting to what they can see and hear WITHOUT reading ulteriort motives into what they observe. It's amazing to me that our species can SEE and HEAR for themselves, but will willingly swallow perverted explanations from those with a self-serving agenda!
got root
(425 posts)socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)We used to say abiut the company I worked for:
"They take the best of the best and make them mediocre."
Devide and conquer
Lower salaries over time
Reduce benefits over time
Tell employees they are lucky they have a job.
Excommunicate the ones who dare speak up.
(either lower ratings or find a way to fire them)
Now, after 35 years we find we were right
But still, nobody will speak up
And it's scarey to see the numbers of people who will vote for the Repubs
after it's been shown that they are working to make the rich richer!
They see the numbers. They see the difference in the salary increases.
They can't see that without middle class spending, businesses can't survive.
And they are talking about reducing the taxes on the wealthy.
And Ryan is still slinging the same crap he put out before.
And the numbers still don't match up!
Beautifully written cleanhippie! Thank you!
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I go back and forth on who to blame more....the worthy successors to Goebbels as in Faux News/Rush etc. or the dupes/dopes who buy their corporate/fascist/racist drivel at face value. Never mind fact checking because as we know, facts have a progressive bias.
I tend to place most of the blame on the clueless masses who just accept what Fox/Rush/Hannity say. So dumb they continue to vote directly against their own self interest to fatten the coffers of millionaires and billionaires. The we'll eat cat food just so you can have another million crowd.
meanit
(455 posts)That's why the right has spent billions to buy up radio and TV' while screeching "liberal media" 24/7 to cover their real intentions. In the 1950's, when television was starting en masse, many people realized quite quickly whay an awsomely powerful tool it could be for information and, of course, propaganda. Laws against consolodation and for ethics and fairness were enacted. (like the Fairness Doctrine) This is where the "if it's on TV, it has to be true" slogan came from.
Many people still do not understand that is no longer the case anymore.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Education is the lantern that shines a light on knowledge.
Faux Snooze was the worst thing to ever happen to America.
The "dumbing down" of the American people.
"We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it -- and stop there; lest we be like the cat that sits down on the hot stove-lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again -- and that is well; but also she will never sit down on a cold one any more." ~ Mark Twain
After the Vietnam War, after all that hell, we still didn't learn our lesson about the military industrial complex. Then Bush invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. And here we are, 10 years later in Afghanistan, no better off than we were in 1968 in Vietnam. If this continues for another year, there has to be a national response to the killing and maiming of innocent people living in other countries, or else this country can never, ever achieve "peace in our time".
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Obama was using public schools to indoctrinate our children into community service.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)Is educate our children about RW lies so that people stop believing that schools push a left-wing agenda.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)That is the fundamental difference, that the left teaches children to think for themselves (generally) and the right teaches their children WHAT to think.
iemitsu
(3,888 posts)perform a conservative function in society.
we want our students to think critically but we can only offer them what we have to think about. those ideas and systems/structures come from the past.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I think you'd be surprised how many of us teachers are subversive activists in our classrooms...
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)My wife is a public school teacher, too, so I am picking up what you are putting down.
livingonearth
(728 posts)FredStembottom
(2,928 posts)Decades of broadcasting a hole where the general populace's welfare once was addressed has put a matching hole inside millions of heads.
Skittles
(152,918 posts)reasonably educated people should not be susceptible to the kind of propaganda peddled by rightwing fanatics
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Widespread ignorance bordering on idiocy is our new national goal....ideal citizen of a politically corrupt state, such as the one we now have, is a gullible dolt unable to tell truth from bullshit."
...had to say it.
Good post on this here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/24/1077381/-The-U-S-Is-Trapped-in-an-Age-of-Ignorance-N-Y-Rev-of-Books-
Initech
(99,881 posts)I think that applies - electing Ronald Reagan was the biggest mistake we've ever made - his gutting of our nation's education system - it's coming back to bite us in the ass hard. The sad thing is - we're going to get what we deserve until we rise up and start fixing his bullshit.
just1voice
(1,362 posts)It's not just RW ideologues looking for suckers, it's way way worse than that. Corporate propaganda rules people's minds today, corporations constantly change their propaganda/sales pitches to target every market. Millions of people still believe entirely discredited "news" companies like CNN, MSNBC, Washington Post, NY Times, AP, etc..., despite those outlets being wrong daily about 1000s of "news stories" and refusing to even take a stand on issues like torture.
Until people in the U.S. realize that they are being exposed to pure propaganda from every mainstream media source they listen to then people will keep getting dumber. It takes a conscience effort to discard every learned and trusted "media source" and start over again with a new mindset of actual learning.
The old saying was "don't believe everything you read" and the new truth is "don't believe anything you read". Sounds harsh but that is the only way learning takes place.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)We humans are innately curious. We are creative creatures. Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs suggests that our drive to create is as important to our existence as food, water, and shelter. An essential component of our creative drive is the commensurate need to be recognized for our contributions. ALL of us have the capacity to create (save for a very few whose mental processes are hampered by disease or injury). ALL of us thrive on recognition (e.g., we dont need to be told were stupid or slow).
If we look at contemporary research on timed IQ tests, we find that most of the participating research subjects score 'near genius' if the timed element of the test is removed. I contend that this research substantiates the fact that all human beings possess fully functioning, fully capable brains (again, save for a very few whose brains have been damaged or are hampered by disease or drug use). According to contemporary research, including research conducted to assess current educational methodologies, we humans all learn in different ways, and at different paces.
Now, consider this: our species has evolved a system of education that conflates hierarchy with intellect. The faster you can solve a complex problem, the 'smarter' you are perceived to be. If you are a child of privilege, your IQ may only be limited by your own intellectual laziness (Dubyah comes readily to mind...). However, if you are a child living in poverty, solving complex academic problems is likely subsumed by the daily rigors of simply surviving. If your primary language is not English, solving complex academic problems may be impossible until you learn to speak a new language. In all these instances, your IQ could be off the charts, but who would know?
Worse yet, our vaunted system of public education is structured to convince two-thirds to three-quarters of us that we have average or below average intellects. Can you say "self-fulfilling prophecy"? Might you be one of those unfortunates who grew up believing that an average intellect was your unenviable albatross? Must we blame those among us who bought into this stultifying, hierarchical definition of IQ?
In The Age of American Unreason, Susan Jacoby notes that
America is now ill with a powerful mutant strain of intertwined ignorance, anti-rationalism, and anti-intellectualism...the virulence of the current outbreak is inseparable from an unmindfulness that is, paradoxically, both aggressive and passive. This condition is aggressively promoted by everyone, from politicians to media executives, whose livelihood depends on a public that derives its opinions from sound bites and blogs, and it is passively accepted by a public in thrall to the serpent promising effortless enjoyment from the fruit of the tree of infotainment.
If our species is to evolve beyond this "Age of American Unreason," we must not buy into the specious argument that 'conservative' individuals are likely to possess 'low IQs' and/or have the tendency to be prejudiced, while liberal individuals are likely to be intellectual snobs. We must refuse to snarf these divisive red herrings. We must change the dialogue.
I have to confess that I have been teetering on the edge of bitter misanthropy these last six years--angrily and impotently watching a democratic administration continue the Bush administration's hedonistic obeisance to the vile Corporate Megalomaniacs who've usurped our media, our politics and our global economy. Ive felt alienated from the countless bloggers online who revel in hate- and fear- mongering, who gleefully hurl invectives and indulge in name-calling, using the vilest vulgar epithets to vilify those with whom they disagree.
I admit that I almost made the same mistake these vile Corporate Megalomaniacs have made: I had concluded that the last sixty years of co-opted public education had strangled our citizens' critical thinking skills beyond redemption. I thought that the vast majority of us had become complacent little automatons, completely devoted to wanton consumerism. I thought our species had devolved into spiteful, narcissistic, hedonistic brats. #Occupy (and OPs like yours) changed my mind: I have hope we can change our dialogue and our likely future.
(In addition to Jacoby's The Age of American Unreason, I highly recommend Jerry Mander's Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television, Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics, and Marilyn French's Beyond Power.)
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I've been meaning to read the Hofstadter for years and have added the Jacoby book to my reading list.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Hofstadter really helped me.
If you have any resources you can recommend about effective communication with those pitiable few among us who are fearful, bigoted, and narrow-minded; I would be forever grateful.
polichick
(37,152 posts)...to vote against their self-interest."
That's what just drives me crazy - they turn stupid on themselves and their children, and then our children pay the price too.
mathematic
(1,428 posts)Maybe 20-30% of the people believe that junk listed. How can we be in an age of ignorance if only a minority of people are ignorant? I'd guess historically our 30% is about the best its ever been. Heck, there used to be majority support for burning witches!
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Javaman
(62,397 posts)that should be the subtitle.
sinkingfeeling
(51,201 posts)to the LTTE and start reading.
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)Some DUer said that years ago and I've never forgotten as it hit the nail on the head.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)so I can read when I get home.
Domingo Tavella
(41 posts)Ignorance in America today reaches much deeper than the list above. Among other pearls, 30% of Americans believe the Sun rotates around the Earth and about 40% don't know the name of the US Vice President. In the last 30 years, the ignorant have successfully claimed a place of prominence in American life and have managed to turn ignorance into a cool quality, something desirable and to be aspired to.
If you want to find a culprit, consider Ronald Reagan. With his charisma and charm, Reagan openly acknowledged that he didn't know Latin America consisted of nations (apparently he believed Latin America was a big country, just like Palin's Africa.) That marked the beginning of ignorance as cool. The tipping point beyond which ignorance became a matter of pride was the election of GW Bush, who was cheered when claiming that even B- students (namely himself) could become presidents - twelve years later this is echoed by Santorum mocking Obama for wishing everyone were one day college educated.
Ignorance feeds on itself as the march of technology hollows out the American working class - left to witness skilled jobs fleeing because higher levels of skills and more advanced technology are now available elsewhere at reasonable cost (the Bay Bridge made in China is one of many instances of this) the working class clings ever more tightly to church, guns, and ignorance. Viewed from some distance, cherishing and embracing ignorance has some charm, but is very bad news for America's future.