Is the Democratic Establishment of today under at least partial control of Corporations?

[Cal33]

Would people like Warren, Sanders, Grayson, etc... -- who might succeed at making a dramatic
overhaul of the entire Democratic Party from top to bottom and inside out -- ever get past the
Democratic Establishment's approval of running in the primaries? It seems quite likely that
even an FDR wouldn't stand a chance of getting elected today!

With the lure and temptation of profit, our Democratic Establishment leaders seem to be
wandering around in a desert -- aimlessly and without direction -- mesmerized into a state of
compliance.

What would it take for them to realize that it's only a mirage, and wake up to the world of
reality?

And the reality is grim: Many of us believe that our way of life has changed so much that it
is now facing extinction.

[socialist_n_TN]

1. Yes. And lately I've taken to calling them "Democratic Corporatists"......

to distinguish them from the rest of the Dem party.

[Cal33]

5. "Democratic Corporatists," that's a good and accurate description.

[LiberalEsto]

8. Corpocrats is what I call 'em nt

[Scuba]

2. Gee, ya think?

[awoke_in_2003]

14. I wonder why

it takes some so long.

[Junkdrawer]

15. What Scuba said...n/t

[bemildred]

3. Seems possible. nt

[Cal33]

9. Yes, quite possible.

[1awake]

4. Partial? I think you mean mainly... nt

[truebrit71]

6. ^this

x100000000000000

[Cal33]

7. It's a euphemism, of course. :)

[1awake]

11. ;) nt

[bowens43]

10. Partial? NO they are under totlal control.

[adirondacker]

12. "even an FDR wouldn't stand a chance of getting elected today!" You're setting the bar pretty high

I was thinking along the lines of Nixon, Reagan, and Bush Sr. would be too "Socialist" for today's mindset.

Roosevelt, Truman and Carter would be "FAR LEFT" as some would like to exclaim.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Naw..they take all those bribes..er..contributions..so they can fight money in politics.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

16. Of course. I'm saving up to buy my ticket to Mars

We will colonize a new planet and let things cool down here on eart for a few hundred years.

And then we Martians will invade earth to start the pillaging again.

[stillwaiting]

17. To what extent is it not under the control of the Corporations?

The games they play with us are transparent and infuriating.

Their lack of putting forth dynamic arguments that speak to Americans to garner support for the values they supposedly hold is also infuriating.

In short, they are infuriating.

I can haz new Congress now?

[Cal33]

18. The voting public still can choose to come out and vote in small or large numbers, or

anything else in-between. This is still something.

[Enthusiast]

32. I like your post.

[november3rd]

19. What's the definition of a "Rhetorical Question?"

A question that everyone already knows the answer to. The only aspect of the question that may not fit the definition is the word, "partial."

[brooklynite]

20. Define what you mean by "control"

Do you mean they do things corporations want even though they don't want to? Or do they do them because they believe in the same positions?

[TheKentuckian]

23. Distinction with no effective difference, the results are the same.

[Cal33]

24. I'd say "both" of what you've suggested, plus the added enticement of bribery.

[cali]

28. I would say it's a confluence. And corporations back people who

will do things that advance their agendas.

this really isn't remotely debatable. it's funny as hell though to see someone attempt to do that with a straight face.

[reformist2]

21. Obama, Warren, Sanders... we have to keep trying.

Note how I didn't include HRC in my short list. :p

[raouldukelives]

22. Every dollar in Wall St is a vote for it.

Much more effective than voting Republican if you want to support those ends. Just get a 401k and start a lifelong relationship with the corporations. They appreciate the support and for your help in financing your newly joint goals they'll toss you a little of the profits.
Then when you see the oceans rise & turn black, people getting blown up and protestors arrested and hit on the head on TV you can say "I helped do that!" or "Thanks for the kitchen remodel!".

[H2O Man]

25. Recommended.

Good OP. Thank you.

Of course it is. A heck of a lot of democrats in DC are as much corporate puppets as any republican. No doubt about that.

Many DUers recognize this sad reality. Yet others, for a variety of reasons, lack the capacity to admit that these democrats have a thousand times more in common with republican corporate puppets, than with the heart & soul of the Democratic Party (the grass roots).

[mike_c]

26. partial control? No....

The establishment of both parties is largely owned and operated by corporate wealth.

[yourout]

27. Partial????

That's funny right there.

[Cal33]

35. "at least" partial. You missed the "at least."

[cantbeserious]

29. My, My - How Could Anyone Think Such A Thought

eom

[tblue37]

30. No doubt. Still, the Dems are better than the Repubs, and some Dems--as well as

Bernie Sanders, who caucuses with them--are still on *our* side against the kleptocracy, which is why I vote straight Dem now, despite the influence of the corporodems in the party.

[GP6971]

31. You have to ask?

Isn't it obvious?

[Enthusiast]

33. We need to be more aware of it and demand better

out of the elected and the candidates. We can no longer accept corporatist candidates, like Hillary Clinton. We need to separate our party from the corporations in every way we can.

[Cal33]

36. This, of course, could cause a reduction in numbers of the Democratic Party, at least

temporarily. Let's face it, there probably are quite a few DINOs. It might be
worthwhile in the long run. When the differences between the Dems. and Repubs.
become clearer, the choice will also become clearer.

It probably was one of the purposes of Centrists to deliberately blur the differences
between Dems. and Repubs. This has shown itself to be a loss for Dems. The whole
country has shifted more to the right. And just look at the devastating results
facing us today.

Timing is also important.

[reddread]

34. 69 n/t

[woo me with science]

37. Let's see.

The drive to keep stealing from the poor continues, while the military will be fed handsomely.

White House: SS cuts remain on the table
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024603578

White House 2015 budget=$26.4 billion in extra funding for Pentagon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024602860#post1

[go west young man]

38. John Stewart was mentioning this

very subject to Nancy Pelosi the other day. She seemed to miss his point. Sadly. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-30-2014/nancy-pelosi

[Cal33]

39. She might have been deliberately missing his point. It was possibly the best thing for her to do.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. Is this an even serious question? YES

[Proud Liberal Dem]

41. I think that the entire Congress and, quite possibly, POTUS

is in thrall to a Dark Lord of the Sith.

[woo me with science]

42. Your diplomacy is not earned.

We are viciously bought and sold.

[bigwillq]

43. Partially?

A lot more than partially.