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Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:34 PM

Well... It Looks Like We Were Wrong, While Still Being Right... Occupy/DHS...

New Docs Show Occupy Wall Street Was A Political Nightmare For Obama's Homeland Security Department
Grace Wyler - BusinessInsider
Mar. 22, 2012, 12:07 PM



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As Occupy protests swept the country last fall, setting up camp in more than 70 U.S. cites. the growing movement quickly turned into a political and logistical nightmare for the Department of Homeland Security. New documents obtained by Business Insider through a Freedom of Information Act request appear to contradict reports that DHS coordinated the nationwide crackdown on the Occupy movement last November. A series of emails dated from November 16 to November 21, senior officials assert that ""DHS is not actively coordinating with local law enforcement agencies and/or city governments concerning the Occupy encampments writ large," and that no one from the agency was on the conference call of mayors that discussed the crackdown.

Another email, from the director of communications for DHS Intelligence and Analysis, says that his division "scrupulously avoided any connection with the Occupy movement/protests/dismantlings," adding that DHS intelligence did not issue any reports or hold any conference calls related to the Occupy movement.

But even as DHS leadership in Washington was careful to avoid top-down involvement in the Occupy protests, an apparently unauthorized memo regarding the potential threats of the movement was circulating through the department's intelligence channels. The 5-page report http://www1.rollingstone.com/extras/13637_DHS%20IP%20Special.pdf recently obtained by Wikileaks and published by Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/exclusive-homeland-security-kept-tabs-on-occupy-wall-street-20120228 states that the growth of the movement will make it difficult to "control protesters" and darkly urges security personnel to exercise "heightened situational awareness."

According to the emails obtained by Business Insider, the memo was posted to the DHS's Tripwire intelligence sharing database without being cleared, and was taken down soon after. A link to the report was also included in a email briefing from the Domestic Security Alliance Council, a strategic intelligence partnership between DHS and the FBI. DHS officials appear to have immediately recognized the potential damaging impact of the report. "This could be quite unfortunate," one email reads. "I thought IP had withdrawn this piece. We may need DSAC to immediately withdraw their email and take it off DSAC's portal if it is posted there."

The new documents show that senior DHS officials were acutely aware of the First Amendment issues...

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More: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-docs-show-occupy-wall-street-was-a-political-nightmare-for-obamas-homeland-security-2012-3




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Reply Well... It Looks Like We Were Wrong, While Still Being Right... Occupy/DHS... (Original post)
WillyT Mar 2012 OP
niyad Mar 2012 #1
WillyT Mar 2012 #2
Generic Other Mar 2012 #3
geek tragedy Mar 2012 #4
ProSense Mar 2012 #5
WillyT Mar 2012 #6
geek tragedy Mar 2012 #7
WillyT Mar 2012 #8
geek tragedy Mar 2012 #9
WillyT Mar 2012 #10
randome Mar 2012 #11
WillyT Mar 2012 #13
thepublicrecord666 Mar 2012 #12
WillyT Mar 2012 #14
TBF Mar 2012 #15
WillyT Mar 2012 #16
thepublicrecord666 Mar 2012 #18
Tarheel_Dem Mar 2012 #20
girl gone mad Mar 2012 #17
Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #19

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:38 PM

1. is any of this surprising?

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Response to niyad (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:57 PM

2. Not To Me... But We Had Numerous Tut-Tutters Here...




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:05 PM

3. Look over the documents for yourselves (LINK)

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:50 PM

4. This proves that conspiracy theory was complete bunk

There was one low-level memo that cited media reports, and even that got yanked once DHS senior officials found out.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 07:15 PM

5. Well,

if you search hard enough, you'll find some crackpot article claiming otherwise.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 07:18 PM

6. Yeah... Those Guys At The Lawyers Guild Are A Laugh Riot, Huh???

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Response to WillyT (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:02 PM

7. That article is an exercise in making shit up. They'd get sanctioned if they tried

that in a real court.

NLG are not practicing attorneys. They're ideologically driven activists who went to law school.

To be clear: the documents produced show clear efforts on the part of national DHS officials to avoid even summarizing media reports about OWS.

To get from there to "proof of crackdown" requires some combination of mendacity and a refusal to consider evidence.

In either event, intellectual dishonesty.

Here's an example:
On September 17, 2011, a Secret Service intelligence entry in its Prism Demonstrations Abstract file records the opening of the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) movement. The demonstration location that the Secret Service was protecting? The “Wall Street Bull.” The name of the Protectee? The “U.S. Government.”

American taxpayers might find it odd to learn that the Secret Service was on duty to protect the Wall Street Bull in the name of protecting the U.S. Government. But there it is.


They are lying hacks. The document itself explains that George W Bush was at the location, ergo they were on hand to protect him.

That's the kind of dishonest bullshit fueling this leftwing version of Birtherism.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:06 PM

8. Well... At Least They WENT To Law School... YOU ???

And just what is your expertise in this matter?

There are more document to be released... so we shall see...

Have you read any of the ones that HAVE been released?


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Response to WillyT (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:09 PM

9. Two years on an academic journal at a top 5 law school.

I have read the documents that have been released, and the PCJF is either brazenly lying about their contents or too stupid to understand what they're reading.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:22 PM

10. And How Is Your Practice Of Law Going ???

I mean you disparage law students, and yet brag about having been one.

And they were certainly clever enough to get DHS to release documents they probably did not want to.

And BTW... the Lawyers Guild actually does have fully accredited LAWYERS.

The National Lawyers Guild (NLG) is a public interest association of lawyers, law students, paralegals, jailhouse lawyers, and legal aid workers, in the United States. The group was founded in 1937 as an alternative to the American Bar Association (ABA) in protest of that organization's exclusionary membership practices and conservative political orientation.
The group declares itself to be "dedicated to the need for basic and progressive change in the structure of our political and economic system . . . to the end that human rights shall be regarded as more sacred than property interests." It is an affiliate of the International Association of Democratic Lawyers.


Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Lawyers_Guild


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Response to WillyT (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:37 PM

11. Well, apparently he has more experience than you!

Because his interpretation makes sense and does not appear to be based on being afraid all the time.

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Response to randome (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:52 PM

13. LOL !!! - Percent Of The Time I'm Afraid... 0%

Wish I could say the same for the politicians in my party.

But invertebrates are skittish by nature.


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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:48 PM

12. You are dead wrong

On September 17, Secret Service was not monitoring OWS in NYC to protect GWB. That wasn't until November 3. You need to read the documents more closely, which you clearly have not done. Yet you make these self-righteous and completely erroneous statements. Here's the bottom line: DHS was monitoring. They prepared threat assessments, as the documents show, they were involved in the crackdown in Portland, there were FPS personnel "on the scene" in other cities. Still, there were concerns for civil liberties by some officials. There is nothing showing, in this first batch of documents, a coordinated crackdown. But they were monitoring and to suggest otherwise shows that you have not taken the time to go over these documents carefully. And if you want page numbers just say so.

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Response to thepublicrecord666 (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 08:53 PM

14. THANK YOU !!!




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Response to thepublicrecord666 (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 11:35 PM

15. Welcome to DU. nt

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Response to TBF (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 11:40 PM

16. Seconded !!!






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Response to TBF (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:09 AM

18. thank you :)

I created an account in order to leave that reply because the assertions made were just so inaccurate. But I am glad to be here. I have read these documents and can practically cite them. There was widespread monitoring taking place. Perhaps the lawyers group was being a bit over the top with their editorializing but when people said they saw DHS vehicles at various protests it's because DHS was monitoring those specific protests. Look at the documents for the "spot reports" from DHS's MegaCenters in Battle Creek and Philadelphia.

In terms of the agency's role in a coordinated crackdown, one DHS official said, as the documents show, it was not taking place "in any wholesale manner." Furthermore, another document, an email, said DHS has held "standard coordination calls and face-to-face meetings with our partners to ensure that the proper resources are available for operations such as street closures, etc." That's a nice little spin.

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Response to thepublicrecord666 (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 04:47 AM

20. "a bit over the top with their editorializing"?

Yeah, you go with that!

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Response to thepublicrecord666 (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 12:23 AM

17. Par for the course with that one, I'm afraid.

He lets his bias cloud his interpretation of the facts, nearly every time.

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Response to thepublicrecord666 (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 24, 2012, 02:50 AM

19. Welcome! Thanks for the assessment. nt

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