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even own a car right now. I suppose to look on the bright side, at least I'm not guzzling gas or blowing poison into the environment. There's an up side to everything, if you look for it. And not everyone fits nicely under a label. At least that's what I was taught and I still believe it. Labels, suck.
Let me go back and look at that poll again come to think of it. 
know a volkswagon from a mercedes. Lol, and when you have to explain an intended insult it sort of loses its impact, impala, there is a car called an impala, isn't there?
I'm a rambler, I'm a gambler, I'm a long way from home
And if you don't like me, then lave me alone.
I'l eat when I'm hungry and I'll drink when I'm dry
And if the moonshine don't kill me I'll live 'til I die!
That's a song! There IS a message there somewhere I'm sure.
Nailed it. 
Sid
A classic, actually! 
Are actual words too revealing?
That is so true, and well stated. 
We've got jackets!
Scapegoating who? Is this more whining about how bad white men have it in America? Do you ever think of anyone besides yourself?
When you shoot down every discussion about women's rights and racism and instead choose to whine about how rough poor beleaguered white men have it, very few people are going to believe you support equal rights, and with good reason. Why you thought anything I said had a thing to do with you, I cannot begin to imagine. I read a post that mentions white people, and despite my near translucent skin color, I don't think: Hey, they are attacking me. In fact, I don't assume the post is about me at all but rather about a general phenomenon. Why do you assume everyone is talking about you? Do you have a guilty conscience for some reason? Or is it that you can't imagine a conversation should take place where you aren't at its center?
Racism has absolutely nothing to do with whiteness because white Americans are above reproach. No one imposed slavery, Jim Crow, voter disenfranchisement, or the current racist justice system that values white lives more than black. White folks have absolutely nothing to do with any of that. African Americans enslaved themselves. They lynched themselves too, and Trayvon Martin actually killed himself. The same with women. It's already been argued on DU that objectification is entirely the fault of women. We wear make up and force men to treat us like meat. The most important thing in the universe is that we devote ourselves to assuaging the egos of white men 24/7. That is more important than the worst forums of racism, including being killed for being black. None of that compares to the far more important issue of your ego. 
And you wonder why people question your support for equal rights? You oppose everything I care about and then you claim you're supposedly my ally? Exactly what would you support me on?
If I were actually guilty of what you accuse me of, not many here would be agreeing with views like mine, or even defending me in what I say in my posts. In fact I probably would have been gone, banned, a long time ago, if what you say were true. If you are having a problem with me, then you must be having a problem with a lot of other people here too. Some of us must be doing something right.
It is easier to get what you want by flattering people and being polite to them than by making demands that people be lock-step with your views. All you'll get with bullshit, is flies and disease.
Why haven't you been able to figure that out yet. You get in return what you give. You give derision, put-downs and warped interpretations of the posts of others. Do your know about Karma? What goes around, comes around? Is it any wonder that it is bad karma that you get in return and that in turn colors your world and not in a good way?
What's up with telling everyone in Hof, to clear their Ignore List and populate their Black List with people that object with your methods, not to post in certain threads, in an effort to stack the jury decisions you don't like? That sounds rather Republican to me. Not good on a Democratic site.
But now that I thought about it for a while, got any more ideas like that? The rest of DU would love to hear them too. 
Why the constant anger against men and women, that dare to stand up to you and disagree with your angry and narrow view of the world? Why do you never come out for Equal Rights for All? But only on some sub-selection of Rights that suits your current screeds. And then use that as a club against those that won't toe your current line?
When I wasn't even talking about you? 
Attack the jury system? It's to encourage them to make themselves eligible for more juries rather than to have it so skewed. That's not an attack. It involves more DUers in the jury process. Naturally you find that unacceptable.
What is it that you think I want from you that I have to flatter you? You have to face up to a hard reality. You aren't nearly as important in the minds of people like me as you think you are. You don't enter my head except when I have to responds to one of your self-absorbed rants. I do not care what you do. That is your business entirely. I want absolutely nothing from you, and I have no need to flatter you. My role in life is not to assuage your ego.
Next time wait until someone actually attacks you before pitching a fit. Quit fantasizing that what I write is about you because except for the OP about your callout of me in GD, it isn't. Live your life, do whatever you want. Take your own advise about karma and leave me out of your bullshit.
The obvious answer is that it may very well be that problem is you. The Alert/Jury system is a part of DU. Why would I find that unacceptable? I don't. You are the one that is finding the jury results unacceptable by attempting to stack the jury, I'm not. Attempted jury stacking is what I find unacceptable. But apparently it is still not working too well for you, is it?
I really don't care if I am important to people like you. I prefer to be a thorn in their side anyway, because the constant bully and intimidation of others they do. To say nothing of the put-down and belittling, as evidenced by the contents, the tone of your post, such as the one directly above, that I am responding to.
If you don't care what I do, then why do you keep responding to me and my posts, even when I am responding to others and not you?
When You write something, I know it isn't about me. It is usually about anyone on DU that does not go along with you or your script.
DU is a political web site. Does anyone here know anything about your politics? Other than the 'tear it down' type of Right-wing tactics that is?
The following quoit of yours, is wordy way of saying, "go away".
Ain't a gonna happen.
You don't like what I have to say;
1. Don't respond to me.
2. Put me on ignore.
3. Trash any threads where you see I have posted in.
Problem solved.
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"Ask not for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" is a quote from Meditation 17 (as is "no man is an island, every death diminishes me"
by John Donne
Meditation #17 By John Donne From Devotions upon Emergent Occasions (1623), XVII:
Nunc Lento Sonitu Dicunt, Morieris (Now this bell, tolling softly for another, says to me, Thou must die.)
Perchance, he for whom this bell tolls may be so ill, as that he knows not it tolls for him; and perchance I may think myself so much better than I am, as that they who are about me, and see my state, may have caused it to toll for me, and I know not that. The church is catholic, universal, so are all her actions; all that she does belongs to all. When she baptizes a child, that action concerns me; for that child is thereby connected to that body which is my head too, and ingrafted into that body whereof I am a member. And when she buries a man, that action concerns me: all mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated; God employs several translators; some pieces are translated by age, some by sickness, some by war, some by justice; but God's hand is in every translation, and his hand shall bind up all our scattered leaves again for that library where every book shall lie open to one another. As therefore the bell that rings to a sermon calls not upon the preacher only, but upon the congregation to come, so this bell calls us all; but how much more me, who am brought so near the door by this sickness.
There was a contention as far as a suit (in which both piety and dignity, religion and estimation, were mingled), which of the religious orders should ring to prayers first in the morning; and it was determined, that they should ring first that rose earliest. If we understand aright the dignity of this bell that tolls for our evening prayer, we would be glad to make it ours by rising early, in that application, that it might be ours as well as his, whose indeed it is.
The bell doth toll for him that thinks it doth; and though it intermit again, yet from that minute that this occasion wrought upon him, he is united to God. Who casts not up his eye to the sun when it rises? but who takes off his eye from a comet when that breaks out? Who bends not his ear to any bell which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of himself out of this world?
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Neither can we call this a begging of misery, or a borrowing of misery, as though we were not miserable enough of ourselves, but must fetch in more from the next house, in taking upon us the misery of our neighbours. Truly it were an excusable covetousness if we did, for affliction is a treasure, and scarce any man hath enough of it. No man hath affliction enough that is not matured and ripened by it, and made fit for God by that affliction. If a man carry treasure in bullion, or in a wedge of gold, and have none coined into current money, his treasure will not defray him as he travels. Tribulation is treasure in the nature of it, but it is not current money in the use of it, except we get nearer and nearer our home, heaven, by it. Another man may be sick too, and sick to death, and this affliction may lie in his bowels, as gold in a mine, and be of no use to him; but this bell, that tells me of his affliction, digs out and applies that gold to me: if by this consideration of another's danger I take mine own into contemplation, and so secure myself, by making my recourse to my God, who is our only security.
I was thinking "The Bells" EAPoe. I'd better stick to my field and stop trying to be intellectual. I remember this now.
Thanks for the correction.
And through the years, Donne's meaning of "it tolls for thee" has been lost - that no matter for whom death's bell is tolling, we are all part of each other and therefore, even when it is calling someone else, it has called for you as well ("every man's death diminishes me" .
I don't think it's necessary to share Donne's religious views - or to be religious - to read and enjoy his writings; I'm not religious but yet I've always found his work to be thoughtful and thought-provoking.
I like Poe, too 
... I'm afraid we're being far too civil for this thread anyway!
I love reading and being a pedantic jerk wad, so thank you for taking my first response in the manner in which it was intended 
What?!
Not sure what's going on. Looks like a Manny shitstorm so I'm in 
Cause you know, you touch that cow, and boom. And if you say the cheesecake needs a little more chocolate on top, boom.
Quite possibly the most perfect food in the world. If I were a survivalist I would buy enough ingredients to make cheesecake, chocolate and cherry and the occasional caramel with pecan, for say 50 years. I would need nothing else. Well some coffee too, that would be it. I would be set.
So... "You Suck" it is.
+1 from me (not that it means much)
and frostbit is low on the list of causes of death.
I know what you meant, but I kind of like facts, too. So, to keep with the nature of this thread, I'm just trying to help
Most Die While Descending
Most climbers die while descending the upper slopes of Mount Everest, often after having reached the summit, in the area above 8,000 meters called the "Death Zone." The high elevation and corresponding lack of oxygen coupled with extreme temperatures and weather conspire to create a greater risk of death than on the mountain's lower slopes.
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Two Ways to Die on Mt. Everest
There are two ways that climbers die on Mount Everest-traumatically and non-traumatically. Traumatic deaths occur from the usual hazards of mountaineering-falls, avalanches, and extreme weather. These are, however, unusual. Traumatic death injuries usually occur on the lower slopes of Mount Everest rather than up high.
Most Die from Non-Traumatic Causes
Most Everest climbers die from non-traumatic causes. Climbers usually die on Mount Everest simply from the effects of exhaustion as well as injuries. Many climbers die from altitude-related illnesses, usually high altitude cerebral edema (HACE) and high altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE).
More information does not scare me. Lack of information does, so we are cool! 
Someone posted a neat thread about the bodies one can find on the way to the top (or down) a ways back. Intresting stuff. I feel like I don't need to climb Everest as I live in Oswego County, in upstate NY.
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(I include the mind in that, as long as it was well-used, and you/we-all made a difference with it along the way.)
God I'm easily amused! 
re: this current "beef du jour"...
Certain people here go on tirades, almost on a daily basis, about other peoples' word choices. They'll go on, and on, and on, endlessly about words that are even slightly not to their liking. The way it's done, you'd think it was a matter of someone's life or death.
Yet now they say, suddenly, when others bring up objections to terms used by them, it's a silly and inappropriate thing to do, even taking it to the extreme of calling into question the character and political creds of those objecting.
Headspin, anyone? 
And another thing... I vaguely recall DU being lectured time after time, about how when someone tells you that you're offending them, it is your obligation to change the offending words. No "ifs, ands, or buts".
Yet now, what do we see? Oh my, all of a sudden that's out the window, and they're waving the stop-your-whining-we'll-be-as-offensive-as-we-want flag!
The daily dose of hypocrisy here is enough to give anyone a bad case of logical and ethical whiplash.
More great observations, Waiting For Everyman.
The funny thing is, I voted in this poll not knowing what it was about. I'm still not sure; I'm wondering if it's being misrepresented by some of the more hyperbolic posters (a sign that I've lost trust in what I read here). My headspin came when I saw all the contentious remarks coming in.
Some people, here and anywhere, aren't interested in working on a problem or getting along. There are some too invested in drama and division and arguing. Those people do suck. Fortunately they aren't hard to spot. All it takes is for you to post a thread and a lot of them will rush to happily self-identify.
As opposed to, say, ascribing all manner of motives to a pretty simple question.
Just doing what everyone else is doing ...alerting on Manny.
