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Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:34 PM

"Trayvon Martin was on a 10 day suspension from school"--This is what a Wingnut relative is clinging

too now and basically saying justify Zimmerman's actions.


I am so close to going insane. I get an e-mail from this wingnut relative of mine saying that Trayvon Martin can't possibly be as innocent as everyone claims BECAUSE he was suspended from school for 10 days.

So if he got suspended from school than he was a possible threat to Zimmerman.


I like you stupid S.O.B. I reminded this wingnut how HER OWN BOYFRIEND was suspended from high school because he step in the middle of a fight to defend a boy who's ass was getting kicked. I reminded the idiot that The boyfriend meanly PUSHED a punching arm away and the Principal suspended the boyfriend for fighting.

So just be prepared for that little gem to be thrown in somewhere.

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Reply "Trayvon Martin was on a 10 day suspension from school"--This is what a Wingnut relative is clinging (Original post)
Justice wanted Mar 2012 OP
K Gardner Mar 2012 #1
Justice wanted Mar 2012 #5
K Gardner Mar 2012 #37
Justice wanted Mar 2012 #43
sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #55
morningfog Mar 2012 #2
Justice wanted Mar 2012 #3
nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #4
Justice wanted Mar 2012 #7
nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #33
Justice wanted Mar 2012 #41
JHB Mar 2012 #42
LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #26
Johonny Mar 2012 #48
fascisthunter Mar 2012 #6
Justice wanted Mar 2012 #9
fascisthunter Mar 2012 #15
cindyperry2010 Mar 2012 #8
louie47 Mar 2012 #13
BeeBee Mar 2012 #17
fascisthunter Mar 2012 #19
Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #21
morningfog Mar 2012 #23
ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #39
MelissaB Mar 2012 #44
obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #51
uppityperson Mar 2012 #65
mackattack Mar 2012 #77
louie47 Mar 2012 #10
ecstatic Mar 2012 #12
BeeBee Mar 2012 #14
RandySF Mar 2012 #16
KamaAina Mar 2012 #18
ScreamingMeemie Mar 2012 #27
piedmont Mar 2012 #22
Jazzgirl Mar 2012 #25
Starry Messenger Mar 2012 #29
nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #34
mtnester Mar 2012 #30
appleannie1 Mar 2012 #32
K Gardner Mar 2012 #35
Marrah_G Mar 2012 #45
BeeBee Mar 2012 #46
mackattack Mar 2012 #78
obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #52
arely staircase Mar 2012 #36
underpants Mar 2012 #50
knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #80
JI7 Mar 2012 #11
RandySF Mar 2012 #20
freshwest Mar 2012 #24
WhollyHeretic Mar 2012 #28
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LongTomH Mar 2012 #53
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FiercelyIndependant Mar 2012 #60
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FiercelyIndependant Mar 2012 #64
uppityperson Mar 2012 #66
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uppityperson Mar 2012 #69
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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:37 PM

1. It was FIVE days, and it was for Tardies. This doesn't deserve a HEADLINE

on DU. It simply does not deserve to be a topic of conversation.

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Response to K Gardner (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:39 PM

5. Thanks for the infomation I agree that isn't anything news worthy BUT wingers are clinging to the su

spension.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:25 PM

37. Yes, and now you have one in THIS thread blaming a murdered child..

which is why this crap doesn't deserve a thread here. It's what THEY are waiting for. Imagine if his mother reads this. You just gave them a platform to hate.

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Response to K Gardner (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:39 PM

43. I DIDN"T MEAN TOO I WAS JUST VENTING FUSRATION! MAYBE I SHOULD JUST LEAVE DU!

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #43)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:25 PM

55. You don't need to leave DU, but you could edit your headline

to something like: 'Wingnuts getting desperate to justify killing of Trayvon Martin'.

Google searches will bring this up but, not sure about this, but might not if you edit it.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:37 PM

2. A troll already brought it here.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:38 PM

3. I was trying to stay away today just to give my blood pressure a rest but that e-mail sent me for

a loop and I had to share.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:39 PM

4. Since when did a school suspension

warrant the death penalty?

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:43 PM

7. According to the wingnut relative He was a "Bad" kid and IF he got suspended than that just means

He wasn't a kid to be trusted.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:18 PM

33. So killing him is justified?

I got suspended twice from high school -- once for tardies and another for smoking. I did not go on to lead a life of crime -- never arrested and a long contributing member of society.

I don't know why you even bother engaging with such an idiot.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:30 PM

41. accroding to this wingnut relative of mine. GAWD I hate family sometimes.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:30 PM

42. In the minds of people looking to confirm their warped worldview, yes

The shell is that thick.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:03 PM

26. Since Walking While Black became illegal in FL.

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Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:23 PM

48. +1

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:40 PM

6. and? So he deserved to be murdered?

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:44 PM

9. To the relative it does. No longer on my IM list by the way.

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Response to Justice wanted (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:50 PM

15. I knew it wasn't what you thought

I'm just throwing that question out there because I am amazed at how little thought went into what this relative thinks. And I am sorry that it was your relative... we all have relatives who do not think about what they say or believe.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:44 PM

8. You know my reply to someone who uses or tries to use that as a justification is

so the fuck what. he got suspended so the fuck what

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Response to cindyperry2010 (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:49 PM

13. suspended for a seriously violent act.

 

unless, he assaulted your kid. he was not the kid in the middle school football uniform. there are a lot of lies, and the case is one sided at this point.

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:50 PM

17. LInks? Proof? Still waiting. n/t

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:51 PM

19. oh... so he deserved to be murdered, huh?

and you claim people should be concerned with kids who are violent... brilliant!

yeah, one sided by my fellow white folk who act and think like nazis.

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:52 PM

21. Oh, by all means, please tell us the other side

and please clarify your personal involvement in that night's events...

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:57 PM

23. Enjoy your stay, troll.

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:26 PM

39. "Seriously violent acts" in my district are dealt with by the local police. Slightly violent

acts are dealt with by the district police liasion office. Multiple tardies, in my district, are dealt with with suspensions. The worst thing a kid can do to warrant a suspension is talk back to a teacher. My son learned the hard way and earned a 3 day suspension last year for saying the words, "This is B.S." in front of a teacher.

In your world it would be okay to shoot my son, walking home from visiting me at my store, for being 'dangerous'. That's what I'm getting from this. Right?

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:07 PM

44. Still waiting for a link...

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:01 PM

51. Still wanting for the linked proof

Not that there are any, right?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:56 PM

65. He's been shown the door so I doubt you'll get links unless he zombies.

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Response to louie47 (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:52 PM

77. Two posts total!

 

Welcome to DU. Enjoy.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:46 PM

10. multiple 10 day suspensions this school year

 

actually, Trayvon had multiple 10 day suspensions this school year. 10 day suspensions are only for seriously criminal acts. on top of that, he has more absences than he was actually in school on top of being tardy. check out the Code of Student Conduct for more info from M-DCPS

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:48 PM

12. link? And what's your point?

That he deserved to be lynched?

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:49 PM

14. Do you have links/proof of that? n/t

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:50 PM

16. What proof do you have?

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:50 PM

18. I don't suppose you have any proof of that?

I'm not holding my breath.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #18)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:04 PM

27. Glenn Beck made it up in his head last night...so it HAS to be true.

They are the Borg.

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:53 PM

22. You registered to DU just for that post? Enjoy your time here. nt

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Response to piedmont (Reply #22)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:59 PM

25. Word.

n/t

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:05 PM

29. No, they aren't.

Not that this is even slightly true. But suspensions are not used for criminal acts, that's what juvie is for.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #29)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:20 PM

34. Yep

If it is a criminal act, including fighting, the police are called in and it proceeds through the system. If any of the accusations were true, he would be locked up -- and, ironically, still alive.

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:09 PM

30. was that in Bizarro universe

or did you see that in an email?

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:16 PM

32. For seriously criminal acts one is not only THROWN OUT of school, one is sent to a detention center.

He was neither.

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:23 PM

35. You have TWO posts here, and both of them attacking a murdered child.

You won't be here long enough to do any further harm to his memory.

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Response to K Gardner (Reply #35)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:04 PM

45. a jury of our peers allowed this to stay.....

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #45)

Fri Mar 23, 2012, 12:08 PM

46. This jerk was finally tombstoned. I wonder how many alerts his posts received and how many juries

allowed him to stay. I alerted on his first post just seconds after it was posted and the jury kept it.

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Response to BeeBee (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:55 PM

78. can only go to the jury once

 

After that it is like double-jeopardy...you are told the results of the previous trial but the post cant be judged again.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:04 PM

52. Wow

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:23 PM

36. zimmerman was arrested for felating underage goats

see i can make stuff up too!

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:38 PM

50. OOH! a Glen Beck meme appears

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Response to louie47 (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:59 PM

80. Ten day suspensions are not only for seriously criminal acts for crying out loud.

Yes, tardies can add up to that, depending on the school.

I've taught in an alternative high school with kids who wore hoodies, were gang members, who were absent a lot, etc., and not a damn one of them should ever have been gunned down in broad daylight for walking down the street back to their parents' house. This is a murder, and blaming the victim is beneath anyone who's a member of DU.

Disgusting. All this justification of a race-based murder is disgusting.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:48 PM

11. and Zimmerman has a record of being Violent against other people

suspended for being late vs violence against other people ?

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:51 PM

20. It was a matter of time before the right began smearing him.

I'm surprised this didn't come from Michelle Malkin,

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Response to RandySF (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 06:57 PM

24. Maybe that's why no link is being provided on the charge here?

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:04 PM

28. It was because of tardiness and it was a 5 day suspension

Trayvon was under a five-day suspension when he was shot that Sunday night, but Kypriss said it was due to tardiness and not misbehavior.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-tension-20120317_1_shooting-death-english-teacher-uncle

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:10 PM

31. Where

ignorance is bliss....no need to say more.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:25 PM

38. Like that's a reason for a death sentence

Nt

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 07:26 PM

40. Trayvon Martin was suspended from the school at the time of his death. The Orlando Sentinel has

reported Martin was suspended for tardiness, not misbehavior.

The school’s principal held a moment of silence and in an email told teachers to refer students who looked like they were grieving to counselors.

Sounds like he had a lot of friends at school. And it plainly says tardiness. I have a grandson that has that same problem so I certainly hope the punishment for tardiness these days is not execution.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:20 PM

47. He was suspended from being tardy not misbehaving

Here is a link showing statements from his teacher who I'm sure know better than people jumping to the conclusions that he did something really bad to get suspended. The teacher is saying he was a good student making A's and B's and he was suspended from simply tardiness
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-17/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-tension-20120317_1_shooting-death-english-teacher-uncle

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 01:25 PM

49. You are dealing with people that don't live in reality.

A very dangerous group of people that must be 'right' at any cost. I tend to avoid those relatives...they are the walking dead imo.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:15 PM

53. Every Goddamn time one of these atrocities occur...

...some wingnuts come out of the woodwork to justify it. I remember the Rodney King beating back in the 90s and the Matthew Sheppard case in Wyoming. For the Matthew Sheppard case, crazy Pat Robertson was relating that the kid "came on to the perps in a bar," as if that justified brutally killing him.

The irReverend Mr. Pat Robertson has an excuse for his maundering: He's demented! And getting worse every day! What excuse do these haters have?

Edited to add: I'm dreading what my RW cousin will say about this; she listens to Faux Noose and Glenn Beck and gets her opinion from them. I plan to just stay away from her for a few weeks.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:17 PM

54. As usual right wingers are morons, how would Zimmerman have known that?

And if he did, how would that mean Martin was a threat? Lots of kids get suspended.

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Response to treestar (Reply #54)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:29 PM

57. He couldn't have known it obviously.

 

I think Martin became a threat at about the point he turned and assaulted Zimmerman.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #57)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:33 PM

58. Do you have a cite for that accusation that Martin assaulted Zimmerman? nt

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Response to TBF (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:43 PM

60. Sure....

 

Click pretty much anything on the first pages of results here:
http://www.google.im/search?hl=en&as_q=trayvon+martin+eyewitness&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.

What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.

The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.

It shows more now about why police believed that night that George Zimmerman shouldn't have gone to jail.

Zimmerman called 911 and told dispatchers he was following a teen. The dispatcher told Zimmerman not to.

And from that moment to the shooting, details are few.

But one man's testimony could be key for the police.

"The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: 'help, help…and I told him to stop and I was calling 911," he said.

Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie; Zimmerman was in red.

The witness only wanted to be identified as "John," and didn't not want to be shown on camera.

His statements to police were instrumental, because police backed up Zimmerman's claims, saying those screams on the 911 call are those of Zimmerman.

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Zimmerman says the shooting was self defense. According to information released on the Sanford city website, Zimmerman said he was going back to his SUV when he was attacked by the teen.

Sanford police say Zimmerman was bloody in his face and head, and the back of his shirt was wet and had grass stains, indicating a struggle took place before the shooting.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:52 PM

61. These are all right-wing blogs

are any mainstream news sources talking about this?

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Response to TBF (Reply #61)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:56 PM

64. It was mentioned on CNN on-air this afternoon, if that helps.

 

The mainstream media you are referring to is so heavily invested in the "crazy racist hispanic hunts down and kills innocent unarmed babe" narrative at this point, I wouldn't expect they'll be talking about it much yet.

At this point we have precious littel real information, tons of inflammatory rhetoric, and a mountain of speculation. So these nuggets of information we do get, we have to consider carefully.

I cannot do any more than point you towards what is out there.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:00 PM

66. Thank you for giving a link to freerepublic. That is such a well trusted site here.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:03 PM

68. I appreciate the sources -

I hadn't heard about this "witness" until I saw your argument so I was curious as to where this came from. No problem with looking at all the evidence. My gut feeling, to be honest, is that it looks like the defense is leaking things in order to help their side in the court of public opinion. It's a criminal case so all they have to do is come up with "reasonable doubt".

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:54 PM

63. If you attack someone, and they defend themselves, are you then justified in shooting them?

Aside from the mystery witness, and the calls for help and "no no" being ID's as Martin, if you instigate something, if you attack someone and they defend themselves, are you saying that the attacker can claim self defense?

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #63)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:00 PM

67. As a point of fact....

 

The cries for help, and the shouts of "no no" have been attributed to Zimmerman, not Martin. Martin's own father said, after listening to the recording, that it was not his son's voice.

What do your base your assertion that Zimmerman attacked Martin on?

We have an eyewitness who confirms that Martin was astride Zimmerman, beating him. At this point, all we can do is speculate as to what lead up to that moment. Unless you have some new information I've not seen that establishes that Zimmerman attacked Martin.

Take a moment and think about what you post before you do it...when you propagate untruths and speculation as fact you don't strengthen the case against Zimmerman, you only weaken it.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:04 PM

69. Um, because Z was following him, got out of his suv even when told not to. Because of the phone call

between Martin and his girlfriend as well as his 911 call. Zimmerman followed him. Do you deny that? He was told to not do so. Do you deny that? Now, perhaps Martin did get into it with Zimmerman but only after he was harassed, stalked, accosted.

Defending yourself now = attacking.

An anonymous eyewitness, with only sources rw blogs and forums. Right.

"Take a moment and think about what you post before you do it...when you propagate untruths and speculation as fact you don't strengthen the case against Zimmerman, you only weaken it."

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #69)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:26 PM

71. and that still doesn't answer the question....

 

Wait...the question was what was the assertion that Zimmerman attacked Martin based on. Nothing about following him. Sure, Zimmerman followed him. So what? That is neither provocative, nor is it "attacking him." If what you meant to say was Zimmerman walked down the street behind him, then fine....that only strengthens the case for self defense on behalf of Zimmerman.

You used the terms "harrassed and accosted" but you've done nothing to establish that any such thing was done.

You do realize there is a sybstantial leap from "followed' to "accosted and assaulted" right?

There is plenty of factual information available to call Zimmerman's conduct into question, why don't we limit the discussion to the facts, and leave out all the wild-assed speculation and fabrication?

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:39 PM

74. Now you are saying that because Zimmerman was stalking Martin, this strengthens case for self defens

Zimmerman stalked Martin. That is a fact. He was told not to but he did so anyway. And by stalking him he now can claim self defense.

I agree, "leave out all the wild-assed speculation and fabrication."

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #67)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:20 PM

70. To counter your RW blog/forums, here are some other links.

Martin’s family has said they recognize his voice begging for help on the tape.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pastors-congregants-wear-hoodies-solidarity-trayvon-martin-article-1.1050626#ixzz1qA56alFY

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/the-facts-the-lies-and-the-unknowns-the-trayvon-martin-case
What we do know is that Zimmerman himself said he was following Martin first when he called the police dispatcher. We also know that Zimmerman was carrying a 9 mm handgun while, as stated earlier, Martin was unarmed. The 911 dispatcher specifically told Zimmerman to stop following Martin after reporting Martin’s “suspicious behavior.” Zimmerman evidently ignored that directive. At the very least, the entire conflict likely would have been avoided had Zimmerman simply drove past Martin.

Even if Martin first hit Zimmerman it is not a slam dunk case of self-defense. Martin weighed 140 pounds, while Zimmerman weighed over 250 pounds. In order to use deadly force against Martin Zimmermann would have to believe that his own life was in danger from an unarmed boy nearly his half his size. One is not entitled do shoot someone else merely because the other person hit them. Specifically, in order to claim self-defense Zimmerman would have had to reasonably fear for his life at the moment he pulled the trigger. If Martin first hit Zimmerman, and then Zimmerman gained the advantage and was on top of Martin when he shot him this likely would not be a case of self-defense. Multiple witnesses from the scene say that it was Martin, not Zimmerman, who was crying for help moments before the shots were fired.

The crime scene, and specifically the position of both Zimmerman and Martin at the time the shots were fired, would be crucial in determining the validity of Zimmerman’s self-defense claim. At this point those facts are unknown. Some witnesses have testified that Zimmerman was on top at the time of the shooting, and that Martin was found face down after being shot. If these facts are true, it is hard to imagine how Martin posed a serious threat to Zimmerman in this position.

Finally, there is the evidence of past behavior. Martin was never involved in any known incidents of violence before being shot by Zimmerman. Zimmerman, on the other hand, was charged with resisting arrest with violence and battery on an officer in July of 2005. The charges were later dropped based on pretrial errors. Zimmerman's ex-fiance also made allegations of domestic abuse after a pushing match in an apartment.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #70)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 04:44 PM

72. From your link...

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pastors-congregants-wear-hoodies-solidarity-trayvon-martin-article-1.1050626#ixzz1qA56alFY

Oliver said the cries, heard in the background of 911 calls, were Zimmerman’s.

“I hear George,” Oliver said. “That sounded like someone who was in dire need of help and it sounded like George.”


Which is the only addressing of who might be heard calling for help on the tapes. There simply wasn't anything there about Martin's family.

So when you say his family recognized the voice, I am not sure where you got that.

Particularly since police have stated that Martin's father said, and I quote directly, "That's not my son."

Facts, not what we'd like to hear to reinforce our personal narratives, facts....THAT is the least that Trayvon Martin deserves.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #72)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:37 PM

73. From that same link "Martin’s family has said they recognize his voice begging for help on the tape.

"Martin’s family has said they recognize his voice begging for help on the tape." Maybe you stopped reading before you got to that.

So when you say his family recognized the voice, I am not sure where you got that.
From the same link "Martin’s family has said they recognize his voice begging for help on the tape."

If you want to go with non-family members, right after that at the same link is this "Another new witness, Mary Cutcher, told NBC she thought the cries were the boy’s.

“It sounded young. It didn’t sound like a grown man is my point. It sounded to me like someone was in distress and it wasn’t like a crying, sobbing boo-hoo, it was a definite whine,” Cutcher said in an interview with Dateline airing Sunday night."


I would like to see your "fact", a reputable source, of "Martin's father said, and I quote directly, "That's not my son.""

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #57)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 05:40 PM

75. Why have you made up your mind on that already?

That is not a settled question.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:28 PM

56. Even if he were suspended from school, so what?

 

That isn't any sort of indicator as to what kind of person he was, or what his actions may have been.

The eye witness who has confirmed that Martin assaulted Zimmerman, however, is more troubling to the current discussions that are swirling all over the country. It certainly calls into question the whole "innocent unarmed black kid murdered by crazy racist hispanic" narrative.

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Response to FiercelyIndependant (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 07:11 PM

81. "The eye witness" who refuses to give his (or her) name and is known

 

only as 'John'???

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:36 PM

59. They can cling all they want. That has nothing to do with what took place.

I wonder why they're so desperate to make Zimmerman to be other than the racist murderer he IS and will hopefully be proven by the Feds to BE?

Arguments like that are a sign that these people know deep down that Zimmerman screwed the pooch.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #59)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 03:54 PM

62. I don't wonder why they are desperate.

It's called "distraction from the real issues." The same goes for the shit about the hoodies. They would rather demonize Trayvon and make other excuses for Zimmerman's behavior, because it will keep people from discussing what is really important, like our idiotic laws, racism, an inept police department, and everything else that goes along with this. They did the same damn thing when Rush Limbaugh attacked Sandra Fluke for three days. They are STILL trying to make it all about Bill Maher, as if Maher who was the one who spent three days calling someone a "slut" and demanding that she post Internet videos of herself having sex. It's like tossing a piece of steak to the guard dog, so you can get past him and rob the joint while he chows down on a nice treat. They don't want people discussing this, because they more people do, the more they realize they've been taken for a ride by these assholes for the past 30-plus years. The right doesn't want people to realize that they are full of shit with all of their fear-mongering.

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:44 PM

76. He could have been an ex-con

and that wouldn't have justified this

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Response to Justice wanted (Original post)

Sun Mar 25, 2012, 06:58 PM

79. I have a problem with DU posters that continue to quote "wingnuts". How can I tell

that the poster isnt the wingnut?

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