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Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:49 PM

 

Here's a question. WARNING: Violent video images included.

Seems Putin and his corrupt government cracking down on any and all forms of freedom get a little love among progessive circles these days.

I'm curious where folks here stand.

Oh, and let me add this video from Human Rights Watch documenting violence against GLBT community in Russia as vigilantes have been given blessing by the government to persecute gay people.

WARNING: Contains disturbing images of violence.

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Putin and Russian government are an oppressive regime
12 (92%)
Putin and Russian government aren't all that bad
0 (0%)
Putin is awesome!
0 (0%)
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Reply Here's a question. WARNING: Violent video images included. (Original post)
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 OP
Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #1
get the red out Feb 2014 #8
G_j Feb 2014 #16
el_bryanto Feb 2014 #2
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #5
HappyMe Feb 2014 #3
Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #4
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #7
Jefferson23 Feb 2014 #14
reusrename Feb 2014 #39
polly7 Feb 2014 #6
William769 Feb 2014 #9
polly7 Feb 2014 #10
William769 Feb 2014 #12
polly7 Feb 2014 #15
polly7 Feb 2014 #29
go west young man Feb 2014 #33
polly7 Feb 2014 #35
polly7 Feb 2014 #37
go west young man Feb 2014 #38
polly7 Feb 2014 #40
go west young man Feb 2014 #41
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #13
William769 Feb 2014 #17
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #18
polly7 Feb 2014 #20
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #21
polly7 Feb 2014 #30
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #31
polly7 Feb 2014 #34
LanternWaste Feb 2014 #32
hrmjustin Feb 2014 #11
PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #19
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #23
arely staircase Feb 2014 #36
Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #22
Jamaal510 Feb 2014 #24
Electric Monk Feb 2014 #42
pampango Feb 2014 #25
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #26
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #27
Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #28

Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:52 PM

1. Putin is considered a gawd is some progressive circles...though some won't admit it

He's sheltering Snowden from the evil US government and he also saved Syria from eeeeeevil Obama and his bombs!

Oh, he also saved Iran from the uncontrollable menace that is Obama.

All hail Putin!!!!

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:57 PM

8. I hate the fucker!

The world is in shades of gray, sometimes it's not just conservatives that think in black and white.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:05 PM

16. that is insane

and completely untrue.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:52 PM

2. I think Putin gets a little tacit support around here

Because he's seen as curbing the United States power - and because he sheltered Snowden. I don't think people actually like him; rather I think they think he's useful. Shades of Realpolitic I suppose.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:56 PM

5. which would be ironic, if true. I think some people just can't break the habit.

 

Once they like Chairman Mao and Che Guevera and all things communist...they naturally have leanings in that direction even though Putin is more your militaristic fascist dictator than anything resembling communism.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:53 PM

3. Pooty is an oppressive asshat,

as are the members his regime.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:55 PM

4. Promoting Freedom: The Seven “Don’ts”

snip* Two headlines emerged from Freedom House’s just-released annual report, Freedom in the World: an eighth consecutive year of decline in democracy around the world and a leadership gap among the community of democratic nations, most notably the United States. Fifty-four countries registered declines in political rights and civil liberties, compared to only 40 countries that saw gains in those areas, according to the study.

Equally disturbing, the report decries the lack of pushback against the modern authoritarian challenge posed by regimes in Moscow, Beijing, and elsewhere and laments the receding role played in particular by the United States in supporting democratization around the world. “If there is no reassertion of American leadership,” the report notes, “we could find ourselves at some future time deploring lost opportunities rather than celebrating a major breakthrough for freedom.”

These two negative headlines beg the question about what is to be done. But instead of offering recommendations on what the United States needs to do, let me suggest a list of seven things we need to stop doing—seven “don’ts”, if you will. After all, one must end the harm that has been done to the cause of promoting freedom and human rights before one can proceed to any “to-do” list.

1. Don’t think that in today’s interconnected world threats to democracy and freedom elsewhere pose no threat to our own democracy and interests, or to those of our allies. The nature of regimes and societies matters, and threats to democracy, even in seemingly far-off places, can wind up hurting us.

2. Don’t fall for the false choice between staying out of difficult situations entirely, on the one hand, and sending in hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, on the other. There are many things we can do in between those extremes to support moderate, democratic forces—things like funding activists and showing solidarity by meeting with them and, yes, sometimes even limited military action (such as taking out Assad’s airstrips and planes, which we should have done long ago, when the Syrian opposition was less divided and not as extreme). This recommendation doesn’t mean putting troops on the ground. It would be nice to do this with allies, but the United States usually has to lead. (France’s positive role in Mali last year is an
important exception to that rule.)

remainder: http://www.freedomhouse.org/blog/promoting-freedom-seven-donts#.Uvkf0oX535M

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:57 PM

7. that's a pretty intresting analysis. thanks!

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:04 PM

14. You're welcome. I don't agree with all of them, but most. Give lots of aid, the things that

keep people alive and hopefully their lives will feel less desperate.



The citizens like Pussy Riot are attempting to build a voice for a better Russia.

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:52 PM

39. Seems like we have enough leadership in the US.

 

We've lost all of our followers is all.

Can't blame them at all, either.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:56 PM

6. Other.

I haven't read a single post here that supported Putin or his corrupt gov't passing barbaric, ugly laws. I have, however, seen many protesting the blaming of a whole nation of people who have no more control over the laws passed and their ugly consequences as do we here in the west.



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Response to polly7 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 01:59 PM

9. Tarnished armour.

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Response to William769 (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:01 PM

10. Wtf is that supposed to mean? nt.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:01 PM

12. The people in the know, know. nt

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Response to William769 (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:04 PM

15. Well obviously I haven't got a clue what you're trying to imply,

and I'm not sure what you've got against broad-brushing whole nations of people because of what their 'leaders' do, but hey ....... you 'know', so ------- you're right!!! Fuck the Russians!

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Response to William769 (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:45 PM

29. I've thought about this overnight wondering just what you're getting at.

Are you saying I'm a bigot, homophobic, what??? Spit it out.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:03 PM

33. Welcome to the club.

I've been labeled a bigot, a homophobe, a liar, banned a few times, had people engage in schadenfreude if I get locked out of my own threads. Not because I am any of those things, but because I don't support denigrating the Russian people during their time of the Olympics. And in the two weeks I've been pushing this issue, and through hundreds of posts, I think I've only met a handful (less than 5) DU'ers that have actually ever been there and experienced it first hand. It's pretty ridiculous as they have no first hand knowledge.

All these folks posting the beatings videos could easily find the same videos here in the US on Live Leak. Here's a simple example. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d4e_1376852247 All kinds of crazy US citizens beating the shit out of each other.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:06 PM

35. Yeah, now I do 'know'.

It hurt me so much to even imagine, I actually had decided I couldn't deal with this shit anymore. But now it's just pissed me off.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:11 PM

37. Thanks for your posts, btw.

Sorry you're being treated like shit for them.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:51 PM

38. Par for the course I'd imagine. That's DU these days. Sadly. Politeness is out the window.

It's a touchy subject to breach. My wife is Russian and not happy about the new laws either but the Russian people as a whole don't deserve this treatment they are receiving from the West. They have had more suffering in their lives than many of these privileged posters have had to endure, of that I'm sure. And that goes for Russian people of all types.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:56 PM

40. Thank you for that insight, I can imagine she's extremely sad about them.

And those are the exact reasons I've posted what I have about blaming a whole nation of people.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 05:47 PM

41. Wanted to let you know of another thread I have up...

in order to bring some good will. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024480724

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Response to polly7 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:02 PM

13. actually, the Russian people are in cahoots with Putin. Many are ok with his repression

 

as long as they get their increased standard of living.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:05 PM

17. Did you know the anti-Gay law passed last year was unanimous?

Thats unprecedented!

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Response to William769 (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:07 PM

18. I did not realize that. Thanks for including that bit of info.

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:09 PM

20. Really, the whole Russian people are in cahoots with Putin?

That's strange ...... I read daily of protests and arrests, oppression, brutality. Obviously those horrendous laws were passed because lawmakers are afraid of those people who are NOT in cahoots.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:10 PM

21. never said "ALL" Russian people. Just a supermajority of them.

 

enough that the protesters got no traction unlike other countries.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:47 PM

30. You have NO clue what the 'supermajority' of the Russian people

or any other, thinks, believes or does.



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Response to polly7 (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:59 PM

31. Yes I do.

 

It's called statistical inference

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:03 PM

34. Suuuuuure you do.

Seems like just a feeble attempt to demonize people you know NOTHING about, but as long as you believe you're actually helping someone doing that, I guess you can make up whatever you like.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:01 PM

32. What is the relevant number of the population who support the law?

What is the relevant number (based off an accurate and objective polling source) of the population who support the law? I would guess it's on par with Utah's support of the same type of civil rights violations, but you imply accurate knowledge rather than a guess, so what's the number and the source?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:01 PM

11. The man is bad news iMO!

Don't know how anyone can like him.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:07 PM

19. Putin is Awesome!! Dude, he rides a bear!!!

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:28 PM

23. here's the money shot

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:09 PM

36. here you go

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:13 PM

22. Oh, there's no doubt it's an oppressive, corrupt kleptocracy

one that Snowden/Greenwald have been notably silent from criticizing, but that's a discussion for another thread...

I can still put all that aside and celebrate the Olympics...You can make an excellent case on boycotting all Olympic games based on the legacy of IOC corruption alone, so I've never understood people getting into a tizzy over this or that host nation's policies...

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:45 PM

24. This is the country

that Snowden said is a model for human rights?!

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 11, 2014, 05:56 PM

42. Did he say that? Do you have a source for that attribution?

One would think it'd be mentioned here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden if he had indeed made such a claim.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 02:55 PM

25. The anti-gay pastor activist, Scott Lively: "Video Of Anti-Gay Violence In Russia Is A 'Hoax'"

Scott Lively is repeating his completely baseless claim that gay people are behind anti-gay violence in Russia, this time claiming that a Human Rights Watch video about attacks on gay people is “just another piece of deceptive Machiavellian ‘gay’ propaganda.”

The anti-gay pastor points to no evidence besides his own hunch video that several of the assaults seen in such video are likely staged as part of a larger “hoax.” In an article today on BarbWire, a website run by Liberty Counsel’s Matt Barber, Lively writes:

Last Fall, on behalf of pro-family advocates here in the United States and Canada, I sent a letter to President Vladimir Putin thanking his government for passing a law protecting Russian children from “gay” propaganda. In that letter I offered this warning:

In readying your society to recognize and counter the efforts of the militant gay movement it is important to understand that their propaganda and policies adhere invariably to the narrative that all disapproval of homosexuality leads inevitably to hatred, violence and murder of homosexuals. All of the pro-homosexual policies in the United States and Europe rest on this unstated and unchallenged but fictional premise. Thus, the homosexualist movement is not simply seeking social tolerance, or acceptance, but political power and control. They want the power to stamp out all disapproval of homosexuality in your society and to compel every citizen (especially the youth) to embrace the view that homosexual conduct is good and normal…. In the coming months and years Russia and Her people will be increasingly portrayed by emotion laden and abusive hyperbole as bigoted haters, intent on exterminating homosexuals.

The Human Rights Watch video, released to coincide with the opening of he Sochi Olympics is fulfillment of my prophecy. I predict more will follow.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/lively-video-anti-gay-violence-russia-hoax

Now you know. This video is just a part of the "homosexualist movement". Yes. The stupid does hurt.

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Response to pampango (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:01 PM

26. very sad and disgusting. he would probably have been a holocaust denier in the 40's and 50's

 

maybe he still does deny that it occurred. Just some elaborate hoax.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 03:48 PM

27. kick

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Mon Feb 10, 2014, 10:20 PM

28. kick

 

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