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Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:25 AM

Cop Breaks Leg of 10-Year-Old Who Filmed Him

Courtney Silvera, age 10, was eating cereal at 7 a.m. on Jan. 30, 2013, when the police knocked on the door. They were looking for his mother's ex-boyfriend, who had possibly violated an order of protection. His grandmother, who is suffering from brain and lung cancer, answered the door but had difficulty understanding the cops' reason for being there, New York's Daily News reports. So Courtney grabbed his mom's cellphone and began recording the conversation.

One cop didn't like that, so he kicked the boy in the shin, breaking his leg, according to a complaint filed in Brooklyn Federal Court and seen by the Daily News.

"The police had come to our house before , and he's fascinated by the police; he looks up to them," Courtney's mom, Krystle Silvera, 30, a nursing student at Long Island University, told the Daily News in an exclusive interview.

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According to the suit, Silvera's pierced breast popped out of her bra while she was being restrained.

"The officer flicked the piercing. he flicked the ring up with his finger on my right breast," she told the Daily News. "He said, 'Is this what mothers look like these days?' My neighbors saw me naked. It was degrading. I can deal with the embarrassment of what did to me in front of my neighbors, but the hardest thing is explaining to my kids that not all police are bad."

Silvera was charged with assaulting the cops and was released two days later on $1,500 bail. She would later plead guilty to disorderly conduct, the Daily News reports.

Once she returned home, she noticed that her son's leg was bruised and swollen. Courtney was taken to the hospital, where an X-ray showed that his leg was fractured.

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An NYPD spokeswoman told the Daily News that the Internal Affairs Bureau has opened an investigation based on the allegations in the suit.

Although Courtney's leg was fractured, his dream of one day being a detective hasn't been broken. "I told my mom being a detective would be cool," he told the Daily News. "I want to be a better detective than the one who did this."

Read more at the Daily News.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/02/cop_breaks_10_year_old_s_leg_for_filming_him.html?wpisrc=newstories

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:43 AM

1. you have to go to this site to see pics of the boy and his mother

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:46 AM

2. A**hole. I also hope they are successful.

K&R

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Response to closeupready (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:14 PM

47. As Det. Cohle says in HBO's

True Detective, "Of course I'm dangerous. I'm the police. I can do terrible things to people with impunity."

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:40 PM

9. Oh good lord.

I knew it!!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:53 PM

17. I don't have to look. Here's what I know without looking...these are not well-off white people. nt

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:04 PM

46. they were guilty of being black, a felony. punishable by police brutality, trumped up charges

 

and badge sniffers saying it was their fault.

After all, if they were only white. . .

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:52 PM

76. nice pic of the boy and mom

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:03 AM

102. But the mom and son are black. Black-abuse is a sport for some cops.

This is what Fox News teaches Americans. Turn against each other so you don't notice the 1% taking the shirt off your back.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:51 AM

3. See this is where I get in trouble with people here

Public ass kickings should be a form of punishment-

Put that loser in a ring- Have someone beat his ass, then he does some time in county-


People who hurt kids need ass kickings. Money raised from the pay-per-view go to the victim

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:58 AM

4. Put him in with Zimmerman!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:12 PM

30. extrajudicial punishment is what got the cop in trouble. Breaking legs and public ass whoopings ....

are cruel and unusual punishment.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:13 PM

31. Dumb idea nt

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:19 PM

33. I've got no issue with that

None at all.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:57 PM

43. Snooper2, I tend to agree with that sentiment for many occurrences

When a situation is basically a bullying, which I think this would qualify with an adult cop assaulting a ten year old boy - then let's put the cop in the ring with someone twice his size and let HIM learn what it feels like.

Sure would free up the court systems, wouldn't it?

Of course, in reality, this can't happen. But I can dream, can't I?

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 04:52 PM

59. This should be handled by our legal system. Vigilantism won't solve any problems

That being said for the masses who only look at the subject line, I'd dearly love to beat the fuck out of the pig's shin with a baseball bat for about 2 hours straight. But that's just a daydream. To expand on your point, I detest people who abuse their positions of authority over those who are helpless against them. I think that probably drives all of my political thinking.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:49 AM

86. +1 We can have a civilized society or we can have mob rule and

"might makes right." And what do we think would happen to little kids who annoyed someone then?

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:52 AM

105. Whose legal system?

The USA system protects the rich and powerful.

The cop may even get a 'firm' reprimand. Ouch.

Maybe even a month off, with pay, of course.

'Our' legal system doesn't work for the poor and dark.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:44 AM

85. People who hurt kids need to go to prison.

Coincidentally, people who are in prison for hurting kids frequently do get an ass-kicking, though, in theory, no one sees it.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:05 PM

5. Terrible!!!!!!

One day its not going to go in favor of the police!!!! Then what???

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Response to mstinamotorcity2 (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:19 PM

6. Justice?

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:21 PM

7. fuck tha police

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Response to frylock (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:45 PM

11. comin straight from the underground...nt

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:25 PM

8. Pigs will be pigs

Are they still beating up people for recording them?

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:42 PM

10. They handcuffed the 10 yo too.

What kinda creep breaks a little kid's leg? And then they harass that mom like that? Touching her breast? Are you kidding me???! Put those cops in jail.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:47 PM

12. FORCED to plead guilty to disorderly conduct, most likely.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:52 PM

15. When faced with prison from resisiting arrest (usually a felony) and offered "disorderly conduct"

as a misdemeanor by a DA who does not want the cops on the stand, I would have advised a client to take the deal.

I would not use the word "forced" so much as I would note the uneven power structure where the victimized are expected to take their victimization without complaint.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:54 PM

18. Fair enough. I would then say 'under duress'.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:57 PM

23. Well, I don't know if she was resisiting arrest, or not. What I do know is that even if she was

resisting arrest, the punishment for that is not sexual assault.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that even if the cops are right--she was resisting arrest--they still don't get to sexually assault people.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:02 PM

45. Well

One can't resist arrest if one is not being arrested for something other than that. DA's love when a lone "resisting" case comes before them. Looks like in this case the DA did the cops a favor.

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Response to WovenGems (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:16 PM

48. No--he did the Plaintiff a favor...and let me tell you why....

If I'm her civil attorney, I'm going to put in front of a civil jury that the DA thought "resisting arrest"---even though all three cops went to the hospital--was so ridiculous, that a piddling misdemeanor was offered to make the case go away.

And then, I'd have each and every cop testify as to their injuries, and why the citizens of NYC had to pay for a hospital visit. It's bullshit, and a jury would see that.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:52 AM

87. Tom Cruise in A Few Good Men, without Demi Moore

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:48 PM

13. Note that three cops were treated and released after the incident---

which means these assholes KNEW they were in trouble. They were already covering their asses for pending litigation.

I hope they are fired.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:58 PM

25. Typical cop ploy.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:16 PM

32. Oh yes...well, there's band aids at the hospital, right???? nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:23 PM

35. Fired hell, jail them and fine them

This shit is out of control.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:56 AM

89. +1

Whether it's corporation or cops, prison time and personal fines that cannot be repaid by government or the corporation are the only things that have even a prayer of working, even a little.

(If were a clever and greedy so and so, I might be willing to do a few years in a white collar prison for a few hundred million. Hell, people deal with sewage every day all their lives for a lot less than that.)

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:53 AM

88. Carpal tunnel syndrome, I take it.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:49 PM

14. Yay, Cops!

They're the best!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:55 PM

19. It just can't be said enough. ..nt

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:03 PM

27. Of all my nearly 25k posts...

...I'd be surprised if fewer than a thousand were "Yay, Cops! They're the best!"

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Response to Iggo (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:19 PM

50. I know! Sometimes I look for your comment and wonder, WTF? Where is Iggo?"

Then I think that if you don't show up, I might have to fill in for you.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:56 PM

21. Exactly. Am I the only one bothered that they are armed with lethal weapons?

These idiots should definitely be disarmed.

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Response to closeupready (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:02 AM

91. Depends. Are you surprised and bothered, or only bothered?

If the former, then you may well be the only one.

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Response to Iggo (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 04:42 PM

58. +1

 

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:52 PM

16. "I want to be a better detective than the one who did this."

Last edited Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Don't worry kid, the one who did this is not really a cop...he is a worthless pigman.

EDIT - IOW, you will start off BETTER than this asshole (with that good attitude) who should not be a cop. Kids give me hope.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:56 PM

20. Good on this young man

for not thinking of revenge but to be better than that brute.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:57 PM

22. It's getting to where I hear stories like this every day.




The gorillas who "serve and protect" us are clearly out of control.

As long as they have their ninja outfits and their armored personnel
carriers they are happy. Just don't dare to hold them accountable.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:09 PM

29. I don't think that

"to serve and protect" has been language in most police charters for some time. That all changed several years ago to my recollection, at least where I have lived over the past 30 years. Any who still had that language probably changed it by 2002.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:34 PM

38. 9/11

sealed it. I mean the cops have always been assholes when dealing with the poor and minorities. But after the Patriot Act, militarized to the max. Bushco did this. Gave cops billions and they spent it on toys and toys for assholes like these two. With our 'serve and protect' force now, no accountability. Rodney King and Malice Green come to mind.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:54 PM

42. not here in Minneapolis

Minneapolis police cruisers still say "to serve with compassion, to protect our communities" (of course they often make a mockery of said slogan but they still advertise it on their cars).

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 12:58 PM

24. "not all police are bad"...

Keep telling yourself that, as the "good" Germans, I mean cops, refuse to do anything about the bad ones.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:30 PM

36. I knew a good cop once.

My grand nephew joined the police force in San Antonio eight years ago, all idealistic and sympathetic to many social issues. He used to rage on about how criminalizing marijuana use and prostitution were a waste of money and human lives. Now, he's become cold and uncaring about so many people he used to consider victims of the system. I barely recognize him anymore. He's suspicious and distrusting of everyone. It's like the pods got him or something.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:33 PM

37. The culture gets to you. nt

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:00 PM

26. Pig.

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Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:20 PM

34. Gang in Blue

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Response to jsr (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:44 PM

40. The "Blue Meanies"....



They had drones too.

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Response to jsr (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:52 PM

51. The powers that be overwork and underpay them...

...but supply court rulings that inoculate them from review. So there's that.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:36 PM

39. Something is missing from this story.

Mostly in Act 1

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 03:08 PM

54. what do you believe could be missing that would justify the actions of this pig?

oh please do enlighten us.

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Response to frylock (Reply #54)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 05:49 PM

61. Us?

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #61)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:06 PM

63. so you don't believe the account as told in the report?

despite any denials from the dept themselves. is this correct?

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Response to frylock (Reply #63)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:14 PM

65. Thanks for the rephrase.



So we have this account:

"One cop didn't like that, so he kicked the boy in the shin, breaking his leg, according to a complaint filed in Brooklyn Federal Court and seen by the Daily News."

Ok. And we have this:

"An NYPD spokeswoman told the Daily News that the Internal Affairs Bureau has opened an investigation based on the allegations in the suit."

So they should have denied it the? And because they didn't, that's an affirmation?

I don't think so. Soooo, something is missing in the story. Mostly in act 1

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #65)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:20 PM

69. oh i'm sure internal affairs will suss this out..

they always do, don't they?

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Response to frylock (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:21 PM

70. So the judge should just take the complaint word for word as absolute?

Maybe it's time to turn off the tv for a while

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #70)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:47 PM

77. But believe the cops, right? Because cops never lie, right? .....

What do you think is missing here besides the cop being punished?

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #70)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:51 PM

79. kid is probably faking the broken leg



by the way, this is not a usual contribution to DU from you.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:24 AM

111. Right...

The kid got fake xrays of his leg.
Sure.
And pigs fly!

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:03 PM

127. He ran into the cop's foot, injuring the cop

and totally destroying the shoe. And you can't buy only one shoe, so the cop is stuck buying a whole new pair. It's amazing the cop kept his composure. A commendation is definitely in order.

Nipple rings can cause serious infections, which can be fatal. The cop took his life into his hands, along with the nipple ring, to make sure the woman was all right. Another commendation.


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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #70)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:00 AM

90. Fat chance Or is this your first encounter with our justice system?

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Response to merrily (Reply #90)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:37 AM

94. ?

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:48 AM

98. Fat chance (that the judge would just take the complainant's word for it).

History tells us that would never happen.

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Response to merrily (Reply #98)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:56 AM

99. Indeed

That was the point.

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #99)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 08:59 AM

101. My comment was not intended to confirm your post.

I was making an entirely different point, about how our justice system generally treats people who make complaints about cops.


BTW, it is not necessary, from a judicial standpoint that internal affairs clear investigate first whether the officers did anything wrong. All the evidence could be presented in court, via writings, testimony of witnesses, hospital records, etc. That is what happens in most lawsuits.

And frylock was making the point that internal investigations have a certain.....reputation. I agree.

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Response to merrily (Reply #101)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 09:08 AM

103. That's all cool in the gang

That reputation is a little to "tv" for me. We really don't know IA data. At least I don't and I'm not ready to generalize based on what someone else's idea of good ratings.


That said,

How is not necessary for IA to investigate prior to court action. Additionally what role does the police union have here? I think it's probably significant.

How is all of "this evidence...presented in court" going to be compiled if not done prior. And by whom?

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #103)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:33 PM

131. ....

That reputation is a little to "tv" for me.... At least I don't and I'm not ready to generalize based on what someone else's idea of good ratings.


That does not negate the fact that the reputation exists, which is what I said.


We really don't know IA data.
You don't have to know IA data to know there's a reputation. But political junkies do know a fair amount about about the data, and not from TV, either, unless it's from straight news programs. The implication that posters may be forming impressions based on fictional programming or reality shows is unwarranted, no pun intended.

How is not necessary for IA to investigate prior to court action. .... How is all of "this evidence...presented in court" going to be compiled if not done prior. And by whom?

Again. Is this your first encounter with our justice system?

Trillions of cases of all kinds go to court in the US all over the world without prior investigation by a separate official body. As my prior post said,


BTW, it is not necessary, from a judicial standpoint that internal affairs clear investigate first whether the officers did anything wrong. All the evidence could be presented in court, via writings, testimony of witnesses, hospital records, etc. That is what happens in most lawsuits.


People get tried for murder without prior investigation by an official body. The prosecution and the defense attorneys and people who work for them take care of gathering evidence, subpoenas, etc. and the judge and/or jury do the rest. You don't know that?

People get tried for murder that way in death penalty cases. They can certainly get tried that way for kicking a kid and wiggling a nipple ring.


Additionally what role does the police union have here? I think it's probably significant.
Not to anything that I posted.

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Response to merrily (Reply #131)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:12 PM

138. thanks for the discussion on the points...so refreshing



"People get tried for murder without prior investigation by an official body. The prosecution and the defense attorneys and people who work for them take care of gathering evidence, subpoenas, etc. and the judge and/or jury do the rest. You don't know that?"

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not unionized police officers.

and frankly,

"You don't have to know IA data to know there's a reputation. But political junkies do know a fair amount about about the data, and not from TV, either, unless it's from straight news programs. The implication that posters may be forming impressions based on fictional programming or reality shows is unwarranted, no pun intended"
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we disagree, if you're going to assert the reputation you should have more then the self fulfilling prophecy of political junkies and the like.

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #138)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:35 PM

142. ....

if you're going to assert the reputation you should have more then the self fulfilling prophecy of political junkies and the like.


You are disagreeing that a reputation exists? If someone has been reading new stories for 20 years, 60 in some cases, and has formed an opinion, how do you suggest they prove that?

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Response to merrily (Reply #142)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:51 PM

143. Prove it with data

Otherwise it's theory. Not saying it's wrong theory, but limited to theory.

And sure their are all kinda of reps like the blue wall and the like and they are probably correct to a certain extent. Whether or not that extends to IAD is another assertion.

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Response to frylock (Reply #69)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:30 PM

73. Furthermore

Why did she plead guilty to disorderly?

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #73)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:35 PM

74. what does that have to do with the pig breaking the kid's leg?

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Response to frylock (Reply #74)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:40 PM

75. Could be considerable?

If the cop was as blatant as the one single sentence that describes the action is true, then their must have been some justification for the mother's reaction.

If that had happen to be I would have gone after the cop too. And probably been arrested too. But I would not have pleaded guilty. I don't really know all the time elements, but it seems she plead out pretty quickly. Is that right?

How would you have reacted. Would you plead guilty.

Was their more than one cop? What did the other cop do other than assist in the arrest of the mother (my speculation)

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #75)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:33 PM

80. and most importantly, why did the cop break the kid's leg for filming him?

troll someone else with your diversionary bullshit.

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Response to frylock (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:38 AM

95. Is that really the best you can do

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #95)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:31 AM

112. yes, that's all i gots..

fuck tha police and the people that make excuses for their abhorrent behavior. perhaps someday you'll experience an encounter that will open your eyes. pray you make it out alive.

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Response to frylock (Reply #112)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:47 AM

123. I've had plenty of encounters with all types of law enforcement

From yocals to secret service and the dirty little secret is they are people. Good people, bad people, heroes and assholes. Just like every other facet of the human comedy.

I don't generalize. I think it's tantamount to racism.

I think most of the stories and discussions on DU about police are more about racism than anything else. And I think to generalize police as racist is a disservice to hundreds of thousands of good people. Furthermore I have yet to this read a post from an African American LEO on DU. I think that's a missing voice.

I also think that people who post "fuck tha police" and "pigs pigs pigs" are probably fairly young; have had little interaction with police and may have unfortunately only had a bad singular experience. (Hell I was a kid when that song was huge, but it got worse in America before it got better)

I also believe in equal treatment and innocence until proven guilt. Something that is too commonly attached to some and not too all.

Lastly, the pitchfork crew is all set to believe one side and not another. Based on what? A few news articles, ok a lot of news articles. Often with no follow up and pale to the amount of good cops out there. Not super cops mind you, just good people getting up and going to work each day.


I'm all to happy see someone go to jail if deserving, but it's got to be done without the public trial and general vilification before the facts are known.


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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #123)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:52 PM

145. maybe, just maybe people have had other experiences with law enforcement than you have..

FWIW I'm 48 years old. I've been pulled from a car because my friend had the utter audacity to ask a police officer what he did wrong when he was being hassled for combing the sand out of his hair after a session of body surfing at Marine St. I've had an officer call me a "fucking liar" to my face because one night my truck broke down, and because I had a bike in the back, and because it just so happened to be a Critical Mass night. called me a "fucking liar" when I told him that no, officer, you certainly did not see me ride through a red light on College and El Cajon because I was riding my bike along the wharf mister officer sir. for that I was administered a field sobriety test on the side of a busy off ramp. have you ever had to stand on one leg counting to 20 with your head tilted back while standing on a roughly 6% grade with traffic whizzing by? btw, I passed his bullshit test because I hadn't been drinking. I've watched my cousin's mental health deteriorate because of the verbal and emotional abuse she took from her lousy fucking drunk of a cop husband. so yeah, believe it or not, people's experience with law enforcement varies. as I've stated, you best hope the next encounter you have isn't with some fucking power tripping, steroid pumping asshole.

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Response to frylock (Reply #145)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:25 PM

147. Well you proved 2/3 of my point

And depending on how long ago these two breaches of civil liberties happened, perhaps 3/3's of my point.

Condolences to your family.

Oh, and I've got more than two. Like a 102 more than two. It's part of what I do; dealing with LEO and govt security and their bullshit.

But I try to keep things in perspective

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #73)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:06 AM

106. Because the DA was desperate for the case to go away.

Why'd the DA offer a piddly misdemeanor when he had her for a felony? Three hospitalized cops, after all. Should be a slam-dunk for real jail time. Yet he lets her plead off to a virtually-no-punishment misdemeanor.

Why? Because he wanted the case to disappear. Her options were to spend a lot of money and time fighting the felony, or take the misdemeanor. She'd win in court, but she'd have to be in court and pay for being in court.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #106)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:13 AM

107. Did I miss that in the OP link?

What was the felony charge?

Was she initially charged with a felony and plead down with the DA?

That's surprising and surely adds to the picture if it's so.

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #107)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:18 AM

108. You think assaulting police officers is not a felony? (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #108)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:21 AM

109. What I think is that something is missing from the story

Mostly in act 1

Did you see talk of felony charges in the Link. I just searched for the word and didn't find it. Don't remember reading about it.

It said she pleaded guilty to disorderly, not that she plead out of a felony charge.

What do you think?

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #109)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:31 AM

113. What I think is you're desperately searching for a reason

to blame the woman instead of the cops.

Again, all three cops went to the hospital. All three. Every single one. Why'd they do that if it was just disorderly conduct?

Because the cops realized they had fucked up very badly, and were attempting to cover for it.

It said she pleaded guilty to disorderly, not that she plead out of a felony charge.

Because the real world is not a Law & Order episode.

Prosecutions do not come down from the heavens. They are done by people. The DA looked at this case, and really, really wanted it to go away. Because it was obvious that the cops screwed up and a "real" prosecution would go very, very badly.

But a "real" prosecution costs the defendant a lot of money, even if they are represented by a public defender. Kids need daycare. Can't go to work if you're in court. And so on.

So the DA sees a way out for himself and the cops - offer the woman a deal so he doesn't have to prosecute, and the cops won't be put on the stand to be shredded by her lawyer. ETA: and that testimony could be used in her civil suit. No prosecution, and she has to pay to put the cops on the stand.

So they make a deal, she is charged with disorderly, and the case goes away. The DA does not have to charge her with the more severe crime in order to make a deal.

If the DA's lucky, she won't have the money for the civil suit. The hospital bills for her son mean she probably will sue, but the DA didn't know that at the time.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #113)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:34 AM

116. thanks for articulating that..

you laid that out very well.

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Response to frylock (Reply #116)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:38 AM

120. ty (nt)

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #113)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:59 AM

125. That's a very nice narrative

You tell me how the real world works and then go on tell me this story on what the DA did. And you this how?

But let's back up.

We have a story of a cop breaking a child's leg because the child was filming the officer conduct warrant business. Ok, that's about the most egregious act one can imagine. He maliciously injured a child. What tops that? Who can defend that right?

So we're given the account reduced to one sentence from a report that another news agency saw the complaint. Really? Is that really enough to go on? So friggin slam dunk and that's all we get. Nothing in the Root report explains the sequence of the events of the actually brutality. I'm not saying the kids leg isn't broken. I'm not saying the cop didn't do it. I'm just saying there has to be more to the story.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Not the first time. And when I'm wrong on DU, I fess up about it. It's cool.

So, do me a solid and throttle back on the whole 'want to see the woman guilty' thing. You don't know me and don't know how silly that is. K?

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #109)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:56 AM

124. Why would she plead to a misdemeanor if not down

from a felony?

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Response to merrily (Reply #124)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:00 PM

126. Of course,

The question is was their a felony charge to begin.

Doesn't say in the Root story

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:12 PM

128. Huh?

How can you say "of course" to my post, then express doubt that there was a felony charge.


Doubt about the existence of a felony charge is inconsistent with my post.

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Response to merrily (Reply #128)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:17 PM

130. ok now i"m "huh"

lets start over

i was curious about what the initial charge was and whether or not she plead down to the misdemeanor or was it a misdemeanor charge at onset.



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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #130)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:48 PM

132. There is zero reason to plead guilty to

misdemeanor resisting arrest--or any other misdemeanor--unless you have been charged with something worse. They can't convict you of a worse crime than you've been charged with. The attorney is free, if you cannot afford one. Why plead guilty?

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Response to merrily (Reply #132)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:53 PM

134. agreed

i understand the intimidation factor, now given the context would you plead guilty to anything, felony or not?

or go ahead (as she may be doing) and plead guilty to a lesser charger and get it over with and take your chances in civil court with a lesser burden of proof.

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #134)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:56 PM

135. That is not a question I can answer without knowing a lot more

about this woman's life, what she may have been threatened with, what she may have feared, etc.

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Response to merrily (Reply #135)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:01 PM

136. Thank You!!!

that's all this racist troll called boom sound 416 is saying too

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Response to merrily (Reply #135)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:10 PM

137. Someone called you a racist troll?

If you want to say something you can just say it. Otherwise, people may think you ar not being straightforward with them, that you have some agenda.

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Response to merrily (Reply #137)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:14 PM

139. i appreciate that

its being straightforward that can get you in trouble with the Enlightened

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #139)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:31 PM

140. If someone called you a racist troll, it seems

you got in trouble with someone, probably liberal, by not being straightforward.


FYI, posting on a political message board usually equals trouble from some faction.

So, it's a matter of choosing which group you'd rather get in trouble with.


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Response to merrily (Reply #140)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:34 PM

141. Lol

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Response to frylock (Reply #69)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:31 AM

114. Not if they are asking members of

the Blue Wall of Silence.
No cop ever owns up to what another does. NEVER!
There's a blue wall, and they always are silent about one another when it comes to this. That's what makes IAD's job so difficult.
They all look after their own. Had this been a cop's kid, the kid would have been rushed to the hospital, possibly out of the jurisdiction, and everything would have been hush hushed about. They do this when a cop's kid has been taking drugs, except they put the kid in rehab. As soon as a warrant is out, they scoop the kid up, and woosh him into a place out of the jurisdiction, gathering all the evidence, and locking it up somewhere. This is why you rarely see cops family members getting locked up.
Part of the Blue Wall of Silence.
They are judge and jury when it comes to anyone else, and many of them exercise that.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #114)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:35 AM

117. oh, i was being completely facetious

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 10:49 PM

78. trolling?

well, it's not missing anymore.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 01:53 PM

41. Fucking, fucking, fucking PIGS.

These sort of stories are ssurfacing almost every day now.

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Response to kath (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 05:59 PM

62. With zero follow up

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #62)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:12 PM

64. really?

looks like we got a "brother" right here. probably one of those "good apples" we hear so much about too.

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Response to frylock (Reply #64)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:15 PM

66. I don't understand

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #66)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:18 PM

67. clearly

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Response to frylock (Reply #67)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:20 PM

68. And

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #68)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:23 PM

71. but

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Response to frylock (Reply #71)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 06:27 PM

72. Some discussion

Wow. Such conviction for what you know to what you know

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #72)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:34 PM

81. oh, i thought we were doing a "Conjunction Junction" sing-along

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Response to Boom Sound 416 (Reply #72)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:10 AM

92. yeah...




On Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:15 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

trolling?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4457920

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You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:19 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #92)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:14 PM

129. one of the coolest folks I've worked with

he even did the bit in the lunch line a few times

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Response to kath (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 08:43 AM

100. And defended by their worshipping bootlickers

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Response to kath (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:33 AM

115. Damn right they are.

They are cop, judge and jury.
Welcome to the Police States of America.
Where "justice" (or is it just us) is carried out swiftly, by the Man in Blue, and his "Brothers."

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:01 PM

44. A few bad apples.

That's all. Nothing to see here.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:29 AM

93. Bullshit, these little events have been happening more and more. Few bad apples? Pay attention....

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Response to marble falls (Reply #93)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:38 AM

96. I didn't think I needed the sarcasm thingie.

But thanks for the link.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:35 AM

118. That's a big steaming pile of bovine fecal matter.

Most of them are "bad apples," and would do it as part of "carrying out justice."

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 02:16 PM

49. One Startling Word Comes To The Mind......Gestapo

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 03:05 PM

52. NYPD Internal Affairs Bureau

Might as well give the case to the 3 blind mice...it would result in a better outcome!!!

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 03:06 PM

53. "The police had come to our house before , and he's fascinated by the police; he looks up to them"

not anymore.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #53)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 03:09 PM

55. a teachable moment to be sure

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 03:14 PM

56. These kinds of cops...

... are thugs. I hope the family wins their suit and the officer(s) serve time
... and that everyone in the prison is informed of what they did.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 03:40 PM

57. One pitiful cop after another....

Cops were once respected by most, but the antics of a few have made it difficult for the rest. Shit just like this is why. Little men want to be cops because without a gun and a badge, they are nothing but wimps. It makes them feel big when they can abuse others in the name of the law. If we started incarcerating them for their violations, this shit would stop. Nothing irks me more than to see law enforcement abuse the power they have been trusted with. To me, they're just as bad as murderers and thieves. Scum.

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Response to Uben (Reply #57)

Thu Feb 6, 2014, 11:37 PM

82. the cops do nothing to help their reputation with their "thin blue line" bullshit..

any "good apple" that turns a blind eye to this shit is every bit as bad as the so-called "bad apples."

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Response to frylock (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:18 PM

146. Certainly!

And a lot of the would be good cops go bad because of it. They're supposed to uphold the law, not just the ones they want to. That's why I see them just as bad as hardened criminals. I have several close relatives that are law enforcement. Most of them fit in this category, too. They relate stories of abuse like its a badge of honor.
WTF? You're a cop, do your fucking job......right!

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:32 AM

83. I eagerly await the results of the NYPD investigation

And if it is not adequate, I look forward to the federal investigation.

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Response to merrily (Reply #83)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:38 AM

119. Don't hold your breath.

You probably will not see it for at least a year, and if anything is done, these bass turds will more than likely get at most a desk job, or some of their vacation time docked. Nothing of consequence ever happens to them.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #119)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:45 AM

122. No, not holding my breath.

And I fully expect that I will not like it when it does come out.

Thank goodness for 42 USC S43


Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State or Territory or the District of Columbia, subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured in an action at law, suit in equity, or other proper proceeding for redress, except that in any action brought against a judicial officer for an act or omission taken in such officer's judicial capacity, injunctive relief shall not be granted unless a declaratory decree was violated or declaratory relief was unavailable. For the purposes of this section, any Act of Congress applicable exclusively to the District of Columbia shall be considered to be a statute of the District of Columbia.
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http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/42/21/I/1983#sthash.M9EOlxRw.dpuf

I'm guessing more than one lawyer has already contacted the mom, offering to take the case on contingency.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:36 AM

84. SYG against a toddler? I didn't check the link. Is the toddler of obvious African American lineage??

And, did it happen in FloriDUH???

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 10:22 AM

104. And yet it seems not a whole lot is being done to curb this crap

Why doesn't the federal government come down hard on the police? Start prosecuting and throwing these deranged dicks in prison.

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Response to damnedifIknow (Reply #104)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:40 AM

121. The feds don't even know how many police shootings we have

Every attempt to make police departments report the number of police shootings to the U.S. Department of Justice has failed.

Wonder why.


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Response to jsr (Reply #121)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 12:51 PM

133. Too bad the feds have no ability to compel the departments to provide it.



On edit: make that "persuade," not compel. There may be a tenth amendment issue in compelling them, or there may be power under the the enforcement clause of the 14th amendment. However, making compliance a condition of giving the state and police federal money would probably work too.

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Response to merrily (Reply #133)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 01:51 PM

144. Like the Clery Act

'Nuf said.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 11:24 AM

110. At least they didn't do the usual road side body cavity search.

Fucking asshole pigs

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:46 PM

148. i hope they get justice

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Fri Feb 7, 2014, 07:39 PM

149. 18 Los Angeles sheriff's officials indicted, accused of abuse, obstruction

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-sheriff-indicted-jail-misconduct-20131209,0,6914608.story

By Robert Faturechi and Jack Leonard

December 9, 2013, 1:40 p.m.

Eighteen current or former Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department officials have been indicted in five separate criminal cases in connection with a wide-ranging investigation into allegations of abuse and misconduct inside L.A. County jails.

The four grand jury indictments unsealed Monday and one criminal complaint allege that deputies beat jail inmates and visitors without justification, unjustly detained people and conspired to obstruct a federal investigation into misconduct at the Men's Central Jail.

Sixteen of the defendants were arrested Monday and are expected to be arraigned this afternoon in federal court.

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