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Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:48 PM

And You Wonder Why We're Broke? (Mother Jones - Holy Cow!!!)


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/military-spending-2011-chart

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Reply And You Wonder Why We're Broke? (Mother Jones - Holy Cow!!!) (Original post)
kpete Mar 2012 OP
tabatha Mar 2012 #1
Bennyboy Mar 2012 #4
jeff47 Mar 2012 #5
Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #20
jeff47 Mar 2012 #24
TheWraith Mar 2012 #21
jeff47 Mar 2012 #26
pscot Mar 2012 #12
lovemydog Mar 2012 #2
zipplewrath Mar 2012 #3
raouldukelives Mar 2012 #6
felix_numinous Mar 2012 #7
Owlet Mar 2012 #8
onethatcares Mar 2012 #9
usrname Mar 2012 #10
TNLib Mar 2012 #11
Selatius Mar 2012 #13
Plucketeer Mar 2012 #14
Nostradammit Mar 2012 #30
The2ndWheel Mar 2012 #23
Fool Count Mar 2012 #15
progressoid Mar 2012 #16
alfredo Mar 2012 #17
progressoid Mar 2012 #25
alfredo Mar 2012 #31
AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #18
GliderGuider Mar 2012 #19
joeybee12 Mar 2012 #22
Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #27
Initech Mar 2012 #28
benld74 Mar 2012 #29
alfredo Mar 2012 #32
Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #33

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:56 PM

1. As a % of GDP, Israel spends more than the US? And Saudia Arabia the most?

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Response to tabatha (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:10 PM

4. Both are supported by the US taxpayers.....

 

So the money they are spending on defense is really US taxpayers money....

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Response to tabatha (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:13 PM

5. Yep. But we have a very, very, very large GDP compared to them.

And those are also two countries that have been invaded in the last 20 years, so one could make an argument they need the spending.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 12:53 PM

20. Who invaded Saudi Arabia and Israel in the last 20 years?

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:14 PM

24. Iraq.

Early in the first Gulf war, Iraq took a town just inside Saudi Arabia. Happened while coalition forces were preparing to invade.

Though I guess that's just over 20 years now.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 12:55 PM

21. Neither country has been invaded in the last 20 years.

Israel hasn't been invaded in 40 years, Saudi Arabia in 80.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:17 PM

26. Part "I am now an old fart" moment, and part error for you

The Iraqis took Khafji early in the 90-91 Gulf War. So that would be 21 years since Saudi Arabia was invaded.

As for Israel, that was a "huh...guess I'm now old" moment when it seemed more recent than it was.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:37 PM

12. It's a form of self-dealing

We give them taxpayer dollars which they then give to American defense contractors. From the Milo Minderbinder School of Economics.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 04:58 PM

2. It's the elephant in the room

We must free ourselves from it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:03 PM

3. The chart that's missing

The chart that is missing is the GDP of these countries. The US is so big because "it can". The outlyer here is China, which hasn't been spending nearly at the pace they could be. Look at the middle chart. Saudia Arabia is #1. Armenia is #10. Where is China?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:44 PM

6. And yet all we use it for is to aquire assets for Wall St.

and to act as a jobs program for people in the defense industry. You can make good money in assisting in the killing of people who have the chutzpah to be born on our oil.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 06:09 PM

7. More like the Offense Budget

rather than the Defense Budget. No offense.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 06:34 PM

8. They ought to go back to calling it the War Department

That's really more descriptive of its function and activities these days.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 06:40 PM

9. so that's like,what?

2 billion for every man/woman and child in the U.S.of A?

I think I'd like to take my first billion in cash and I'll defend myself the best I can after that, OK?

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Response to onethatcares (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:02 PM

10. Not quite that high

 

About $2,400 per person (man, woman, child, but unfortunately, not corporations).

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:03 PM

11. You would think in country that has peaceful neighbors like Canada and Mexico

we wouldn't need this level of military spending. I'm just not sure how we got to this point.

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Response to TNLib (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:43 PM

13. The US didn't want to disarm when the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991.

The people who work in the defense industry spent all of the 1990s for an excuse not to cut defense spending, and in 2001, they got a perfect excuse in the form of the 9/11 attacks. The campaign against communism had been replaced with a campaign against terrorism. Giving up all that money for war preparation and waging war would've represented a multi-billion dollar loss for many defense contractors. They lobbied Congress for years to continue defense spending until the War on Terror made their work easy.

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Response to Selatius (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 07:50 PM

14. M-I-C fast tracking

Yeah, when 9/11 happened, Georgie and Dickey just looked at one another and busted out laughing! Who knew that some disgruntled miscreant in an Afghan cave was going to give these two a path of enablement that they couldn't have dreamed of.

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Response to TNLib (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:07 PM

23. The US military is the developed world's military by default

It was the last one standing after the 20th century. That's how we got to this point.

Not that anyone really listens to the UN or anything, but if the threat of military action by the US wasn't backing it up, it would probably dissolve as every government would just go back to acting in their own interests. Not that they don't already, but the facade wouldn't even exist.

The US taxpayer is paying for a global military. That's why the US Government can bomb whoever, wherever, and whenever it wants to, and there is nobody that can stop it from doing so.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 08:49 PM

15. That is not enough to outspend the next ten biggest spenders, US must

 

outspend the rest of the world combined, so that even if everyone gangs up against US
they could be beaten back. Currently US spends only 45.7% of total military expenses.
That is unacceptable, the goal should be >50%, or better yet >60% just to be on a safe
side. And that is not including military spending by non-government entities like Al-Qaeda
and such. How in the world will US ever going to be safe? At some point US will have to
consider occupying the rest of the world and wiping out what they can't occupy - only
then could they live in peace and without fear.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 11:14 PM

16. Ya but doncha feel safer?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 12:46 PM

17. The Merry Minuet

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Response to alfredo (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:16 PM

25. Been a while since I've heard that one!

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Response to progressoid (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 06:15 PM

31. Still true.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 12:48 PM

18. Ok, I agree with the general concept

but keep in mind that the planned defense expenditures by countries like China do not match up to real world spending.

Still a minute fraction of our spending (and we hide EVEN MORE spending than is accounted for here, as well) but the numbers presented aren't precise, just something to keep in mind.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 12:51 PM

19. 8 of the top 10 in % of GDP are in MENA.

American expenditures are obscene, but that fact is worrying.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 12:59 PM

22. We're warmongering assholes...knr

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:19 PM

27. Meanwhile the teabag deficit hawks are stealing social security and killing the USPS

in the name of fiscal responsibility....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 01:40 PM

28. Once again - George Carlin - right on the money:



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 02:08 PM

29. HEY! Those new and improved methods of killing other people COST $$$$$$!!!!!!

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Response to benld74 (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:12 PM

32. Every weapon developed and tested in Iraq and Afghanistan can and will be

used against us if we rise up.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:15 PM

33. The UK's military budget is also way out of proportion to the country's size

Apparently their Establishment hasn't quite gotten it through their pointy little heads that they're no longer a global colonial power.

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