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Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:10 PM

Breaking: "First Degree Homicide Of The Unborn Child Bill" Passes CO House On Second Reading

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/17/1075219/-Breaking-First-Degree-Homicide-Of-The-Unborn-Child-Bill-Passes-CO-House-On-Second-Reading

Sat Mar 17, 2012 at 01:08 AM PDT
Breaking: "First Degree Homicide Of The Unborn Child Bill" Passes CO House On Second Reading

by njcronk

Horrible news for women's rights from the state House tonight.

From State Rep Daniel Kagan (D):

"...we were unable to prevent the Republican majority in the House from passing on second reading the First Degree Homicide of the Unborn Child bill. Under some circumstances, it makes both termination of pregnancy and the use of the morning after pill a homicide. It also confers personhood on a newly fertilized egg."


Kos readers may believe this bill will be stopped in the Senate. Tea Party legislators have been successful in passing 135 bills nationwide to limit women's reproductive rights this year. To assume it cannot happen in Colorado is a dangerous assumption.

Please call your State Representatives and demand justice for Colorado women. Tell them to vote "No" on this bill, which is a partial step toward completely outlawing abortion in Colorado. http://www.leg.state.co.us/...

Also, save the Date: March Against the War on Women, April 28th, 2012, at the Denver Capitol.

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Reply Breaking: "First Degree Homicide Of The Unborn Child Bill" Passes CO House On Second Reading (Original post)
babylonsister Mar 2012 OP
Aerows Mar 2012 #1
babylonsister Mar 2012 #2
Pachamama Mar 2012 #78
CrispyQ Mar 2012 #83
Pachamama Mar 2012 #87
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AlbertCat Mar 2012 #104
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OhioBlue Mar 2012 #93
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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:15 PM

1. Unbelievable

That's just what Colorado's law enforcement officers and courts need to spend their time doing - investigating every single instance when a pregnancy doesn't work out.

Because, you know, every single time a pregnancy fails it's because of abortion.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:19 PM

2. I want to know who's building the jails and paying the legal fees. This is whacked! nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 08:13 PM

78. So if a woman has an ectopic pregnancy that can never be viable & could cause serious complications

...to a womans health ranging from hemorraging, toximia, sterility and even death, that womans doctor would be guilty of 1st degree murder and the woman an accomplice to murder because they chose to terminate it?????

WTF???? Seriously? And yes to any Fundie reading this or Right-Wing lunatic Catholics (who I know quite a few - one in particular) "terminating an ectopic pregnancy" is an abortion, even though many of you seem to make exceptions there when I have had discussions about how they feel life begins at conception and yet seem to make the exception on an ectopic pregnancy. Then they dont call that abortion...they never seem to see their own bullshit hypocrisy at that moment in time....they just come up with something they feel comfortable explaining away. But yes, terminating an ectopic pregnancy is an abortion, and if you make exceptions for that, your whole argument of "life begins at conception" falls apart. An ectopic pregnancy can never become a person. Never. But if you say that aborting a fertilized egg is 1st degree murder, are you going to make Doctors risk being murderers? Are you just going to make women wait till they hemorrage, rupture or die of toximia? And if they dont die and go into emergency surgery, be sterile and never have children? Or will you just make an exception to an ectopic pregnancy being "murder" and call it instead "murder committed in self-defense" and make your hypocritical exception?

To quote another DUer, I hate these people with the power of a million Supernovae....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #78)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 08:48 PM

83. You don't understand.

Women are just vessels. Vessels for sperm. Vessels for fetuses. That is all.

We are not living, breathing entities.

If the right wing completes their goal, even corporations will have more rights than women.

To quote another DUer, I hate these people with the power of a million Supernovae....

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #83)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 09:15 PM

87. Handmaids Tale.....Vessels for their Sperm and religious reasoning indeed....

I remember straight out of College reading Margaret Atwood's book "A Handmaids Tale"....

I remember thinking it was a powerful work of fiction....that the country and government of Gilead, a theocratic, militaristic, fascist, corporate run government in what was once the United States of America, where women had no rights and were only there to be impregnated for the ruling class could never happen....never.

And here I am, two decades later thinking the american Taliban-GOP is working in that direction very quickly....how long before we lose more rights, wear red gowns and be covered and have our names changed to biblical names or refering to who are "masters" are? If these people in the GOP keep it up, we are there....their vessels with no rights.

Hi CrispyQ....I remember we joined DU years ago around the same time and I would see you post...that was back in the days of BushCo. And I thought we needed to get off that path....so how the f*ck did we end up here in 2012 w/ what is happening?

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #87)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 10:18 PM

91. How the f*ck did we end up here? I'm not sure.

A Handmaid's Tale - is this how it happens?

> I know a young woman today, in her early 30s, who cannot have children & thinks that reproductive issues do not affect her.

> I know another young woman, late 20s, who wants to have children, so thinks that the current reproductive issues are not her concern.

> There is the neighbor boy, who at 17 or 18 still lives at home, but they took in his pregnant girlfriend. I don't know them well enough to know if parenthood was something they chose, or if it just happened, but I suspect, considering their ages, it just happened. What a difference sex education & availability to birth control would have made to this young couple.

> Several years ago, before my elderly mother passed, she told me she no longer cared about women's reproductive issues because they didn't apply to her. ~gasp! It was a horrid rift between the two of us.

Now that I am at a similar point in time, getting pregnant doesn't apply, I don't find myself at all aligned with where my mother was! In fact, quite the contrary!! I have become a one issue voter. If a candidate doesn't support a woman's right to birth control & abortion, they don't get my vote.

There is no lesser evil to that option.



One DUer made the observation that today's democratic party platform more closely reflects the republican party platform of the 1950s. That is neither liberal nor progress!! We are regressing in so many ways. Our rights, our values, our civility.

All your life you hear that the fight never ends, but you think, "Oh, this time it will!" But at some point, you realize, they are right, it never ends.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #91)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 09:51 AM

104. How the f*ck did we end up here? I'm not sure.

I'm sure.

Religion.

Period.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #104)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:28 AM

108. Religion plays a big part, for sure, but so does apathy.

The three women I mentioned in my post are not religious. They just think that because it's an issue that doesn't concern them now that they don't need to pay attention to it. I fight for these issues for ALL women, at ALL points in their lives - not just for me, for now.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:03 AM

93. When I terminated my ectopic pregnancy it was coded as abortion

on the hospital paperwork.

I was pregnant and very happy, looking forward to motherhood. Through ultrasounds and blood tests, my OBGYN informed me it was not a viable pregnancy. I was either going to miscarry or had an ectopic. There was no heartbeat in the uterus and my hormone levels were unstable. I had a D&C and it was determined that I did not miscarry but had an ectopic pregnancy. They gave me a medication to terminate. The doctor told me the cells would dissolve. When I signed the paperwork it said "abortion". I remember clearly because the nurse pointed it out and told me not to worry about it. As if the medical coding was the thing I was worried about.... However it has stuck in my memory because I always think... if they make "abortion" illegal, how would you terminate an ectopic when it is legally and in fact an abortion?

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #78)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:34 AM

94. And I assume....

Each and every miscarriage will also have to be investigated (whether the woman is at fault in causing the miscarriage), because the miscarried zygote or fetus is now technically a person. Like, I don't know, the woman was in a car accident followed by a miscarriage. So I guess whoever was at fault in the car accident would then technically be up on manslaughter charges. Or maybe the woman didn't take her prenatal vitamins like she should, or "allowed" herself to become too stressed out at work...

Anyway, you see where this is going...and it's fucking lunacy!

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Response to Aerows (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:16 PM

49. And the men who caused the pregnancy should be arrested, also. I feel for the cops of Colorado.

This is going to cut into their coffee breaks.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #49)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:26 PM

57. oh no...the men who caused it.....will be entitled to accuse as co-plaintiff with the State

for the murder of their sperm.

Should the accused be found guilty, the plaintiffs will be issued a large pile of fist-sized rocks.....

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #57)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 08:51 PM

84. ...and call her a "Slut!" too. -nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:21 PM

3. But, but

they mean well. Can't we just let those who are more Christian make those decisions for us? Who are we to question such wise laws?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:23 PM

4. sick religious fanatics do not deserve to live in the US

they deserve to live in a totalitarian theocracy. These nazis need to go!

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:22 PM

62. They've gone a long way into turning the US into a Nazi state.

I literally hate the rabid fascist and all the harm they have already caused and are still trying to cause every single day. Even Obama kowtows to the richest, proposing a 28% corporate tax rate - unbelievable! I feel totally helpless since the economy has robbed my family of so much income, I can't afford to give money to progressives the way I did for the last good dozen years. It's really mentally challenging to go from very comfortable to afriad to spend any money becasue I can't rely on having enough income to pay the bills.
MFers.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:50 PM

75. This has nothing to do with religion. Religion is only the excuse.

This has to do with CONTROL.

In a modern society, brute strength is not the most important success factor for a male or anyone else. The male edge has been the superior strength of sexual dimorphism. Also the limitations of gestation and child care on women. Which is not such a big factor as it was, either.

This seems to be causing a panic among the boys.

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Response to aquart (Reply #75)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:24 PM

118. whatever... they are religious fanatics

I'm not trying to attack religion itself.... in fact I respect religion, but when it oppresses or harms people, I will call it what I think it is... fanaticism. Fanatics exist in every group out there... it's not religion but those who are allowed to use it for their sick deeds.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:23 PM

5. Dammit, I'm going back to bed, it's been the freakin' Twilight Zone today

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:25 PM

6. This is all about the Christianistas shoving their religious make believe

down the throats of women and the rest of us.

BTW - abortion is legal under Federal law. Federal law trumps state law. How can these types of bills that make abortion a crime be legal?

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Response to stopbush (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:50 PM

15. Roe vs Wade is being eroded,yet it still holds. We must make our voices heard and

we must use all we have to battle and stop this attack on women's civil rights.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:59 PM

17. the US Gov.has not been enforcing a LOT of Federal laws,

except for the bank fraud they took away from the states when they did the Mortgage Fraud settlement.
I am seeing very selective enforcement.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:00 PM

32. And the Fed's Marijuana busts

At legal pot shops.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #32)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 09:47 PM

89. Pot smokers & women seeking reproductive services go to jail.

Banksters, oil big wigs, corrupt politicians, not so much.

The rage is building.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #89)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:32 AM

96. Yes, the rage is building...

And it is very much because of this selective enforcement of the law....based on your wealth.

Shits gonna hit the fan soon.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:01 PM

33. Gov might be waiting till many pass. Then after the election? Strike them as unconstitutional

As a violation of Roe v Wade. Which specifically says that the embryo is not a person (in sec. IX?)?

Though if there is enough popular support? Enough states could override Feds? And/or publicize the issue.

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Response to Brettongarcia (Reply #33)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:05 PM

71. Wanna buy a bridge? Turn that on its head. R's are passing so many...

 

...of these laws in so many different places, that we will be years repealing and overturning them all.

That, I think is their real strategy. Get a couple of hundred of these laws on the books and then insist that each be fought individually.

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Response to TheMadMonk (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:16 AM

100. Yes. The anti-abortion strategy is: local, incrementalist saturation. About 145 bills this year?

We're drowning in local, state anti-abortion laws. Passed by republican state legislatures

Unfortunately, the c. 2006 elections or so, elected massive Republican majorities, in the US congress ... and also in state governments. And they're now passing hundreds of anti-abortion laws.

It was the new, 66%+ Republican supermajority in Texas, that passed the transvaginal sonogram - forced rape - law. With a republican supermajority, there was no hope of stopping it.

And worse? That law somehow passed one federal appeal, in the local Louisiana appeals court.

So far in fact, federal appeals are not working. So you are right to raise the alarm; could go either way. And right now? The most successful attack on Pro-Life laws in history, is now underway. "Thanks" to republican supermajorities througout the US state legislatures especially.

This is the most serious and successful attack on abortion, since Roe v. Wade.

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Response to Brettongarcia (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 09:52 AM

105. Many states are passing these regulations so they will take effect immediatly

upon repeal of Roe v. Wade. They know that they can't enforce them now, but they anticipate a Republican appointed Supreme Court will one day overturn Roe v. Wade and then all of the state laws will already be in place.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:26 PM

7. It is like the Taliban gets a vote in this country.

Repukes and the Taliban...birds of a feather.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:27 PM

8. American taliban. Disgusting. n/t

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Response to DLevine (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:41 PM

13. Agreed

Welcome to Christianist Sharia Law

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Response to DLevine (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 08:44 PM

82. They are the American Taliban.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:30 PM

9. omg - I feel sick

"first degree homicide"? They are beyond despicable. Now it's open season on women and the medical staff who treat them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:31 PM

10. Disgusting on so many levels

Maybe WOMEN should leave Colorado and let the men rule it by themselves.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:24 PM

52. Great idea!

I grew up in Colorado, left there a long time ago, always had a soft spot in my heart for my home state, still know some very nice Coloradans, mostly female, but now awfully glad I'm not one of them! There were a lot of male chauvinists in my life there, but never thought it would come to this.



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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:32 PM

11. Kick -

these folks never give up, do they?

I'll be making calls on Monday.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:39 PM

12. In November America gets a chance

to tell the Teabaggers, "Hey we fucked up! We elected you!"

Let's hope America uses that opportunity. In the mean time....

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:44 PM

14. "In today's America, corporations and fetuses are persons...

...women, not so much."

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Response to alterfurz (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:52 PM

76. +1

That's the whole "pro-life" attitude in a nutshell.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 12:50 PM

16. No one was elected in this country

to pull back on women's rights. What they are thinking to pass such an egregious bill?! Insanity.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:01 PM

18. "But Democrats and Republicans are JUST THE SAME!"

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:49 PM

29. ...only when it comes to cronie capitalism.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:10 PM

19. Ridiculous

Do these people even understand how the morning after pill works?

Yesterday my husband told me that he drove by a Planned Parenthood (we live in CO) and there was about 6 pro-life protester and only one pro-choice counter protester. It just upsetting that most of us can be busy ignoring the loonies and then they get this crap pushed through to the front line.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:11 PM

20. They should just overturn Roe V. Wade and get it over with already.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:13 PM

21. Women need to go all Lysistrata until these idiots quit trying to destroy our rights!

Explanation here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysistrata

This is a war just as heinous as any war fought with weapons, so if the Greek women can withhold sex until peace is negotiated, so can we! I'm almost semi-serious: we can live without men for awhile (there are toys ) but these repressed Christofascist nut jobs who think that sex with women is their God-given right...well, I'd like to see how they would react to not gettin' it!

After all, these bastards don't want women to have contraception, so I guess total abstinence is our only way, right??

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Response to pink-o (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 09:01 PM

85. I believe that to be a good idea, sane males will abstain voluntarily in solidarity

The only problem I see with an otherwise excellent idea is I fear your Lysistrata will fail unless you can get the fundy women to join you.

It is their husbands that are causing this and the husbands that support the equality of their mates are not the problem and will likely be the only ones that are affected. If they are true mates they will understand and support their wives but the cultists will likely go on as if nothing different were happening.

Or perhaps I am underestimating the power held by the mistresses of the holy rollers, they may very well be on board with the idea.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:13 PM

22. Is there a link anywhere to the full bill?

All I've found is the summary, which is distressingly vague.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:44 PM

27. That's the summary, muriel - but maybe that's all there is to the bill.

Thank you for the link to the article, though!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:20 PM

23. The country has gone mad!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:20 PM

24. As soon as a Colorado woman is aware she is pregnant she needs..

To go to Social Security to get a SS number for her fertilized egg.
To get the SS number they need to declare a name and sex and date of conception
for the records.

Also, get the little cluster on an insurance policy.
And if she should lose the pregnancy...anyone
in anyway involved can be held liable.

Get ready Law Students for a whole new case load.

Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 08:57 AM

102. LOL, Fetal Life Insurance.

Considering that anywhere from 60-80% of all pregnancies spontaneously abort, often without the knowledge of the woman, why not take advantage of this?

Dear Mr. Insurance Company:
I had sex with my husband on March 17, 2012, then I had an unusually heavy flow, with cramps, at the end of the month. I KNOW I was preggers, because I could sense that god had gifted me with a wonderful little daughter. It was more than a Mother's intuition.
Therefore, I demand payment of our policy limits of $1,000,000 of our term life policy which covers all members of my family.

Proof of our legal, unprotected sex act is available upon demand, on DVD, VHS and Beta. Please enclose a check for 29.99 for shipping and handling fees.

With tears and trepidation,

A regretful almost mommy.

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #102)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:14 AM

112. It really raises a lot of legal issues...




Tikki

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:29 PM

25. We are going backward, not forward as a country, I'm sick of it! n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:46 PM

28. Colorado is so confused.

I never know where this State is going on an issue...

I'll be going to Denver for the first time on the 28th of April, though. Time to march.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #28)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:21 PM

54. Then by all means, welcome to Denver

 

Just avoid the nuts about 60 miles south of Denver.

And definetely visit the People's Republic of Boulder.

Get in some skiing (some resorts do open until May)

If you must go south, go to Manitou Springs, which is a liberal area in a sea of red. Visit the Pikes Peak via the cog railroad.

Or hike (5 hour hike) or drive up the hill. It's your choice!

Pueblo and Trinidad are safe areas for liberals too.

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Response to anti-alec (Reply #54)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:58 PM

60. I'll be coming across the mountains when I come.

I'm roughly midway between Denver, Phoenix, Albuquerque, and Salt Lake City. Also known as the middle of nowhere.


Yesterday's weekly Friday noon protest.

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #60)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:30 PM

63. Nice pic.. where is that?

 

Looks like a nice little town I visited the other day - a town called Williamsburg, Iowa..

It's a neat little town - the one with the big outlets on the other side of town.

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Response to anti-alec (Reply #63)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:45 PM

67. Cortez, Colorado.

There's no big outlets... anywhere...

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Response to bluedigger (Reply #67)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:59 PM

69. Isn't that where the Fundamentalist LDS are?

 

If my memory serves me correctly, this is one of Warren Jeffs flocks that live in that area.

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Response to anti-alec (Reply #69)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:53 PM

77. No idea.

I just moved out here. It's a big and mostly empty county. I know Utah's pretty weird, though...

eta: Just looked it up - they're in Mancos, a cool little town 10 miles east of Cortez...

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:50 PM

30. I am sick and tired of religion dictating what should be law in this fucked up country.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:55 PM

42. Amen to that.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 01:59 PM

31. They made spilling sperm murder too, no?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:11 PM

34. Will they investigate every miscarriage? Women need to send in used tampons/pads to

make sure that they didn't kill a person?

I am having a difficult time finding non-cuss words to express how I feel about this.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:16 PM

35. What a country

 

we live in. Thanks to the Rethugs and their shills on the Supreme Court we now live in a time where fetuses and corporations share a characteristic - they are both "persons".

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:24 PM

36. Prophet George Carlin was on the ball

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 08:43 PM

81. That was one of the best albums he ever made.

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Response to sakabatou (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:53 AM

109. Outstanding! He really puts things in perspective.

Thanks for sharing. I needed a few laughs among all this bullshit.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:25 PM

37. The Born Agains, Rome, and the Taliban are celebrating this.

Not that there is a fundamental difference between them.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:34 PM

38. How is it their

superstitions carry more clout than my reliance on fact and science?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:43 PM

39. Unbelievable

This just gets worse every day.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:45 PM

40. Is the Republican Party intentionally committing suicide?

This is evil and stupid.

Do they think that this will win them votes? Have they simply lost their minds?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:48 PM

41. So fertility clinics will be "houses of murder" now?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:56 PM

43. So am I to understand,

as soon as a woman gets a positive pregnancy test, she can take out life insurance on the "person" in her uterus and if she has a miscarriage, she can collect the life insurance on that person?

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Response to Boudica the Lyoness (Reply #43)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 02:59 PM

44. good luck getting coverage

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:00 PM

45. Looks like it's balls-out for the rightwing with the next election looming.

Their legislation is becoming more and more Taliban-like on women's (health) issues.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:02 PM

46. No OVULATION = NO Fertilized Egg

Do they understand why MENOPAUSAL women don't conceive? NO OVULATION. They do not understand the difference between the Morning After Pill and RU-486. Are they planning on prosecuting women already on BC Pills who forget to take one or two, and then double up on them? I suppose they think they too will run out and get the Morning After Pill? Wait. If they get this inch, they will take the next mile and outlaw all contraceptives on the basis they kill babies or PREVENT them from being born. Again, CATHOLIC teaching. All sex must be "open" to procreation.

How did these people ever make it to Congress without passing HS BIOLOGY?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:10 PM

47. Ladies, it's time for a mass exodus OUT of Colorado. Maybe they'll get it when we hit their wallets.

What do we have running this country? A bunch of senseless, sexist, racist, homophobic, hypocritical porno freaks? I think so. If they'd keep it in their pants, there'd be no reason for any of this foolishness. The men who cause the pregnancies should be charged as well. Period. We have to get these creeps OUT of office and rescind their screwed up policies.

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Response to judesedit (Reply #47)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:25 PM

56. Colorado Senate should reject this bill with no problems

 

if it barely passes, Hick will veto it. It's DOA anyway.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:11 PM

48. Why are so many state legislatures simultaneously pushing similar bills?

ALEC or Americans United for Life must be working hard behind the scenes here. Republicans are usually good at taking each other's cues but this is looks like a well coordinated assault on rights.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:20 PM

50. The father of the child should have to sign docs stating he will raise the child if the woman can't

That way no one will want an abortion, unless it is life threatening. There...problem solved.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 03:23 PM

51. How is this shit passing??

Who is funding these oppressive and backward laws??

--Just like proposition 8-- every one of these laws has to be revoked and stricken off the books!!!

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Response to IDemo (Reply #58)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:07 PM

61. Wow

From their website:


On July 13, 2011, the Center for Media and Democracy unveiled this trove of over 800 "model" bills and resolutions secretly voted on by corporations and politicians through the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC). These bills reveal the corporate collaboration reshaping our democracy, state by state.
ALEC bills, which largely benefit the organization’s corporate members, have been introduced in legislatures in every state—but without disclosing to the public that corporations previously drafted or voted on them through ALEC.
Before our publication of this trove of bills, it has been difficult to trace the numerous controversial and extreme provisions popping up in legislatures across the country directly to ALEC and its corporate underwriters.

How un American to have to work in secret to fight against the rights of citizens--no??? I am so angry at these people, and so disgusted.

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #61)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:02 PM

70. Made a disappointing discovery upon further look into the website

A guy from the company I work for is the ALEC State Chairman.

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Response to IDemo (Reply #70)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 09:18 PM

88. Ooof --I am so sorry

at least we know who they are.

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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 02:39 AM

97. They have to keep the right and left divided on social issues or

theyor they know we will unite against the banksters and 1%, IMHO.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:17 PM

53. Hickenlooper better do the right thing and veto it.

 

And tell the Republicans to shove it.

Man, I hope the state Dems can recapture the house completely and remove stupid teabaggers from obsessing on women's rights and focus on the REAL issues facing Colorado today.

That's JOBS people.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:22 PM

55. SICK.

That's all I've got. I can't respond to this shit anymore.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 04:36 PM

59. No Pussy for you republicans.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

64. this is all the tea party's doing

they need to be crushed.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:36 PM

65. When do we start wearing veils to cover our faces?

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Response to graywarrior (Reply #65)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:58 PM

68. That would present a quandary for them, wouldn't it.

Seems to be the way this is going, or the way 'they' want it to go.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #68)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:21 PM

73. I feel very resentful and mean

I want to kick some ass.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 05:44 PM

66. When is a march on Harrisburg, PA scheduled? ....just asking eom

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:09 PM

72. They're living in the Dark Ages.



This is truly unfuggenbelievable.






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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 07:31 PM

74. Stunning n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 08:40 PM

79. Are males in Colorado mentally ill? And why the fuck are males

passing laws that involve women's genitals?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 08:42 PM

80. WTF?




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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 09:07 PM

86. Q: Why does the Tea Party hate the GOP?

RFLMAO

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 09:48 PM

90. jesus christ on a krispy kreme.

where does it end?

does it end?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Mar 17, 2012, 10:22 PM

92. These simpletons don't want to hear your "facts"!

The facts are far too confusing and unclear - kinda like life,,, Their beleifs, in contrast, are sparkling clear and simple as can be, because they dont have to take reality into account.

Just keep chanting : A fact is a lie, and beleif is the truth! ,
A fact is a lie, and beleif is the truth!
A fact is a lie, and beleif is the truth!
A fact is a lie, and beleif is the truth!

The worst thing about this crap, IMHO, is that it is being pushed by people (like Dobson and his crew from the Springs) who are morally bankrupt, sociopathic, and fucked up like a can of worms

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:28 AM

95. But what does the bill actually say? I can't find it anywhere online.

I've learned from experience not to get heated over claims like this until I see the actual law.
It is often different from what is explained in a few short sentences.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #95)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 06:26 AM

101. Pachamama has the text of the bill as passed by the CO House

Here's the original version - much longer and what the summary is talking about:

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/B2C357AC24743FFA87257981007F18F3?open&file=1130_01.pdf

The summary in Pachamama's bill refers to this, but not the actual bill that was passed. They vacated this bill, the one that was doing the definition of new felonies, and replaced it with the one sentence that says the death or injury of an "unborn member of Homo Sapiens" during the commmision of any other crime in the bill would allow prosecution of homicide or injury for the unborn member concurrent with the underlying charges.

So if someone attempts to murder a pregnant woman, but only kills the fetus, then the criminal can face attempted murder charges for the attack on the woman and murder charges in the death of the fetus. That's in the bill that was passed. Even if the mother didn't know she was pregnant, as in she just became pregnant the day before the attack, and the attack results in the termination of the pregnancy (something that might come up in the investigation), the attacker can be brought up on murder charges for the expiration of the blastocyte.

The original bill seemed much worse, but this is bad enough regarding the legal recognition of the fetus from the moment of conception. It's not getting full personhood recognition yet, but it's getting there.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #101)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:59 AM

110. Thanks Bolo for the info!

Yes, the original bill was much worse (as they always seem to be) but I believe putting it into context shows very clearly what the ultimate goal of these lbills are and of course to ultimately get in to law definitions such as "unborn members of Homo Sapiens" so that they are firmly codified into law and can thus eventually help criminalize any abortions and end the right of an abortion for women.

But I really am feeling that unless more and more women and men start speaking up for a woman's right to privacy and protections to her reproductive choices, we are going back to the days of back alley abortions and womens rights gone....as I mentioned in an earlier posting above "A Handmaids Tale" come true....

Finally, its no accident in my opinion that Birth Control has become front and center lately as an issue....Griswold v Connecticut was the case that Roe v Wade was based on with the 14th amendment and right of privacy argument. Since Griswold v Connecticut was based around birth control rights, the Pro-Zygote/Embryo Movement has decided that if you decimate Griswold v Connecticut and make Birth Control not a "right", then maybe they can undermine and weaken Roe v Wade. Its not coincidence that when modern birthcontrol in the form of the IUD and hormone therapy was available that women were able to start having more control over their lives and start getting more college degrees, Doctoral and Law degrees and moving into the legislatures and boardrooms. In the minds of these misogynistic chauvinist freaks who call us "sluts", this must be stopped.

I just am stunned beyond belief by this full assault against women going on....women and the men who respect and love them must stand up against this and fight hard....

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #110)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:08 PM

115. They won't be happy until the get the first version signed into law...........

the second version is the camel's nose in the tent.

What's next - miscarriages classed as a crime?

We must stop this war on women.

They will force all "sluts" because that is what we are in their minds - anyone that has sex must be a slut - to give birth - to children that could die immediately upon birth, or in a few days - and those children that survive will be treated as if they are the "unclean" there will be no monies forthcoming for healthcare, food, shelter or education from these so called "pro-lifers".

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Response to Smilo (Reply #115)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 03:36 PM

116. Who's behind all these anti-abortion efforts? In part, "Priests for Life"; "Personhood USA." Etc.?

Probably conservative elements of the Catholic Church; Fr. Frank Pavone; EWTN, EWRN. And hundreds of Pro Life organizations.

It may be that some of these Pro Life, anti-abortion bills, will not pass. Or we might hope that, regarding those that pass, Roe v. Wade will hold against all this massive assault. So that many of these laws will be struck down on appeal to the Supreme Court. But we can't count on that; we need to stay alert here.

So far in fact, the State of Texas has already managed to actually, fully pass a law, requiring that all women considerating an abortion in the first two months, must have a "transvaginal" sonogram wand inserted into them. So that the embryo can be viewed. While the doctor is required to tell you about the embryo's heartbeat" and so forth.

A process that Doonsbury not long ago called coerced "rape." And which may in fact meet that description, legally.

The Texas Sonogram Law - or call it say, Republican Rape - looks like a very, very strong issue for the Nov. election.

Let's hope the even more severe laws are not passed.

Though? Rick Santorum recently suggested that he himself considered abortion to be murder, in effect. And we would expect to hear lots more about that, if Santorum is elected.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #110)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:46 PM

117. Found this article on Twitter re: meth lab laws in Alabama being used to prosecute pregnant women

60 so far...

http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/154586/how_the_%22pro-life%22_movement_puts_women_behind_bars

These women are being prosecuted under Alabama’s 2006 law designed to provide special penalties for people who bring children into methamphetamine laboratories. Its official title is "Endangerment of Exposing a Child to an Environment in Which Controlled Substances are Produced or Distributed" and it provides that a person “commits the crime of chemical endangerment” by “exposing a child to an environment in which he or she...knowingly, recklessly, or intentionally causes or permits a child to be exposed to, to ingest or inhale, or to have contact with a controlled substance.”

This law makes no mention of pregnancy, pregnant woman, drug use, fetus, or any other words that would make it applicable to a pregnant woman who uses a controlled substance and seeks to continue her pregnancy to term. In fact, the Alabama legislature has repeatedly refused to amend this law or to create others that would address the issue of pregnancy and drug use through the criminal law.

Nevertheless prosecutors have argued, and the Alabama’s Court of Criminal Appeals has agreed, that the word “child” in the statute includes a “viable fetus” and therefore may be used to arrest and jail women who become pregnant, eschew abortion, go to term, and try to bring life into this world, despite having used a controlled substance.


That's the crazy thing about this: the prosecutions are of women who are carrying the baby to term! Of course it's a terrible thing for a pregnant woman to use drugs, but it should be possible to penalize those things without entrenching the notion of a fetus being a person further into law.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:53 AM

99. Oh geez

I can't even read the link. The title is too depressing. My only hope is the backlash that may occur. Just sad. Really sad. Can't even get angry, too sad.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 09:33 AM

103. How many of the legislature's "Yea" voters will be adopting unwanted children?

Jess askin'....

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 09:58 AM

106. OMG! This just shocked me beyond words. IF this does pass WE Women might as well

Put on those Burkas. Seriously WHAT THE FREAK IS NEXT?! ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHT TO VOTE?!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 10:28 AM

107. re: Breaking: "First Degree Homicide Of The Unborn Child Bill" Passes CO House On Second Reading

make it illeagel to men have viagra or their tubes cut.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:06 AM

111. Sometimes this happens with a woman even knowing.

It seems the only way this could be enforced would be to send in used tampons and pads for testing.

These laws are stupid and all the lawmakers involved should be fired!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:21 AM

113. If women care enough to take action they can always try

a citizen initiated petition to get a referendum question on the ballot to negate the law. Citizens should initiate petitions in every state that would implement a change to their state's constitution requiring that no laws regarding and changes regarding women's health issue cannot be passed without a statewide vote by voters. That would at least give the citizens a chance to stop the madness (anywhere that isn't an insane red state.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sun Mar 18, 2012, 11:28 AM

114. This is complete insanity!!

What is happening to this country?!?! We elect a black president, and the right wing literally goes completely off the deep end. It it possible that deep down inside, even on an unconscious level, they're trying to punish the country. This is NOT just an issue for women. It impacts men too.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 05:26 PM

119. Religion Dictating Law=Theocracy not Democracy

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