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Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:52 PM

I'm Fucking Pissed Off Big Time!

I'll start at the beginning. I have chronic pain on my right elbow from years of being a pitcher in baseball, throwing the discus (which, btw, I got second place in the city meet in 1970, it could have been first place but track officials refused to let me warm up because the team was late for the meet due to the bus breaking down), and shot put when I was in high school. But, I really screwed it up bad when I was involved in a horrific car crash where the paramedics said they've seen car crashes that weren't a severe as the one I was in where people died.

So, I see my doctor about 2-3 times a year and he prescribes hydrocodone, one pill four times daily. It used to be five a day but I thought that was too much so he reduced it to four.

About a couple of weeks ago, I started having a severe toothache and I called a dentist for an appointment, and she told me to take some hydrocodone if it keeps me up at night. I was taking about an extra one at 3-4 AM when I couldn't stand the pain in my tooth. Taking the extra pill made me run out of my prescription sooner than the expected thirty days. I called my doctor and told him I needed a prescription sooner than expected and explained my situation to him. He said that he would give me another prescription but that it was up to the dentist to give me the extra for nights.

I had the dentist appointment and it turns out I had a bad tooth infection. She gave me a prescription for penicillin and hydrocondone for night use. I don't have dental insurance so it was a bit pricey.

I had my regular prescription from my doctor filled on Dec. 19th. Today I took the prescription from the dentist to get filled. After waiting around for over an hour at the pharmacy, they finally called my name. When I was paying, I noticed they were only charging me for one item, the penicillin. When I asked about the hydrocodone, the lady behind the counter told me they weren't going to fill it. I asked why not and then, not waiting for an answer, I immediately asked to speak to the pharmacist.

The pharmacists comes over to speak to me and tells me that because I had a hydrocodone prescription filled already, that she was not going to fill the dentists' prescription. Wait, what? I explained my version of events that led to me having to fill two prescriptions for hydrocodone so soon. She said that she needed a note from my doctor telling her that. Wait, what?

I asked her if what I was doing was illegal. She said no, but, she added that it had the potential for abuse. So I asked her that the reason she was not filling it was because she thought I was abusing the hydrocodone? She didn't answer and just looked away. That is precisely when my blood started to boil.

Hey, I'm not a kid anymore, I'm going to be sixty years old in March. Please keep treating your customers like children. I know what I'm doing. She wasn't looking at me when I said those things. But then she said something else that pissed me off even more. She said that I was taking too much to begin with. Well SHIT! I told her I was taking five a day but it was my decision to reduce it to four.

I'm sorry, sir, you're going to have your doctor confirm what you just told me, otherwise I'm not going to fill it. Ever? ever.

It's not fucking illegal, but it's immoral because I could become a junkie, according to her. I walked away seething but not before I politely said "thank you." I wasn't going to give her the pleasure of seeing me pissed off.

Fuck! Even writing this isn't helping me cool down.

Who fucking made the pharmacist judge and jury? Why does she give a shit if I take more than the dose prescribed. And to top it off, she wouldn't give me the prescription back because I could take it to another pharmacy where they don't have the information.

I wrote this quickly and there's probably a ton of mistakes, but I'm pissed at the moment, so forgive my writing.

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Reply I'm Fucking Pissed Off Big Time! (Original post)
Unknown Beatle Dec 2013 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2013 #1
hobbit709 Dec 2013 #2
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2013 #8
hobbit709 Dec 2013 #17
NightWatcher Dec 2013 #3
Warpy Dec 2013 #4
Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #14
Unknown Beatle Dec 2013 #16
Chuuku Davis Dec 2013 #5
LumosMaxima Dec 2013 #6
grilled onions Dec 2013 #7
RKP5637 Dec 2013 #13
Bigmack Dec 2013 #9
Unknown Beatle Dec 2013 #12
winter is coming Dec 2013 #10
RKP5637 Dec 2013 #11
freshwest Dec 2013 #15
Lifelong One Dec 2013 #18
mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #19
CarrieLynne Dec 2013 #20
iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #21
MsPithy Dec 2013 #22
gvstn Dec 2013 #23
OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #24
COLGATE4 Dec 2013 #25
JimDandy Dec 2013 #29
Motown_Johnny Dec 2013 #26
PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #27
TBF Dec 2013 #28
get the red out Dec 2013 #30
wercal Dec 2013 #31
intaglio Dec 2013 #32

Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:55 PM

1. I hear you, and this pisses me off too.

That pharmacist had no business doing that.

PERIOD.

I'm sorry, and I hope you can get this straightened out pronto.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:56 PM

2. Time to find a different pharmacy.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:10 PM

8. Except it seems that pharmacies are all on the computer now

by patient name.
so my doc informs me.." We had to do it because of Obamacare"..she snarled.

So all med. records are online, all pharmacies have access to all records, nation wide.
theorhetically.
Half of them have no clue how to work a puter, so there is some hope for now.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:11 PM

17. But maybe not one with a pharmacist with an attitude.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:57 PM

3. sure thing Rush, sore tooth uh huh. You're a junkie

Kidding of course, but I am seriously hoping that we get a medical marijuana initiative on the ballot next year (current gathering the 700K signatures) and that it passes so we can get marijuana to help those of us that are in pain.

I'm like you, a grown ass man and I don't need a doctor or pharmacist telling me what I can do to my body for pain management.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:00 PM

4. "Note from my doctor? No, you need to CALL HIM. RIGHT NOW."

Pharmies do have to be alert to people doctor shopping and being dumb enough to fill multiple scrips from multiple docs at the same place.

However, the "for night time use PRN" should have alerted this idiot that it hadn't been the case and the doctor should have been called if there had been any question.

Personally, I think your main doctor dropped the ball. He should have just upped the scrip back to five a day and let you go more than 30 days per refill once the tooth pain was gone.

BTW, the only thing I've ever taken that shuts tooth pain down completely is Celebrex. Too bad the stuff also shuts my kidneys down.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:47 PM

14. That was exactly what I was thinking.....the pharmacist should have called

the doctor. In fact, that would have been even better, since no one could have had time to get a story together, if the doctor would be in cahoots.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:01 PM

16. Unfortunately,

my Doctor is on vacation until Tuesday of next week.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:02 PM

5. You filled a rx for 120 hydrocodone

Then come back for another rx for a smaller amt from a different doc four days later

Does not look good at all to a pharmacy or medical board

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:02 PM

6. There's some hysteria right now about painkiller abuse.

The problem is real, but there is such an overreaction that patients with a legitimate need for the drugs are being denied adequate care. I'm really sorry this happened to you.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:03 PM

7. And It Will Only Get Worse

There is a law involving such meds(let's call it that because to those of us who require this it IS a med not a "drug") that will go through even stricter dispensing/limits/getting RX's in person much like Oxy now. Why is it they lump people in chronic pain with the thrill seekers who abuse such meds for fun? I am 63 and I am certainly not having fun. Every time you get a refill or a new script they look at you like a criminal. They don't see the pain in my eyes,my wheelchair,my gnarled hands. Instead they look at statistics,the youthful party crowd and doctor shoppers who get OUR meds for fun and profit. If a person buys six cartons of cigarettes at a time the store owner never blinks an eye. But WE are in a group of wanna be junkies even though we could be ninety two and on a respirator!!!!

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Response to grilled onions (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:29 PM

13. Hell, they even look at me like some kind of criminal when I ask for cold

medication, and the type for people with high BP. They look at me, get it from under the counter, and then ring it up like they were selling me drugs, and they track me in their damn system. This, is a really fucked up country we live in today. Everyone is assumed guilty until proven innocent. What a load of bullshit.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:14 PM

9. Dr. Bigmack here....

Have you tried cannabis?

You don't have to smoke it.

I ingest the Indica strain, and get relief enough to sleep.

I can't take the opiates anymore... I think they put caffein in them, and I can't sleep with them.

The opiates constipate, too.

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:28 PM

12. Indica is the only thing I like.

Where I'm from, all I can find is Sativa.

Indica relaxes me and actually makes my pain disappear for as long as I'm feeling groovy, Sativa makes me paranoid.

I've been looking for Indica seeds but the ones online are very expensive and nobody here has Indica seeds. Oh well.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:19 PM

10. I'm sorry this is happening to you.

The tooth might bother you less if you sleep semi-reclining rather than lying down flat at night. At least, that was my experience.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:22 PM

11. I have a friend that went to the emergency room recently and they basically accused him of going

there for drugs. He was really pissed, I mean really pissed, before any tests, anything, they tell him they will not give him any pain medication at all. He was brought in via ambulance with incredibly severe pain. So, they did their tests and all, and it came back he had a severely ruptured disc pressing/wedged on his spinal nerves giving him incredible pain, plus more problems with his spine. Finally, they gave him a massive dose of medication to stop the pain.

What pisses one off is the blind accusation or implication you are trying to get drugs. That, is a real pisser.

This society is so F'ed in so many ways it's difficult to even count ...

I recently went to another pharmacy, had prescriptions in the same chain, and they would not fill my blood pressure medication because it needed authorization from my out of state doctor. I can't believe the bullshit I went through to get my BP medication I've been taking for 33 years. They failed to contact the doctor and then questioned the authenticity of the doctor even though I had given to them the damn bottle from the other pharmacy in the SAME chain. I did a search on the pharmacist's name, turns out he's a real control freak asshole, I found a review about him on the internet. I just can't believe that we, as a society, now let pharmacy techs, pharmacists and insurance companies override doctors decisions and course of treatment.

The more I watch the progress of the US over the years sound judgment and logical sense is being replaced with nonsensical idiotic decisions by people who should never be give that authority.

Maybe you ran into an asshole too.


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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:52 PM

15. Wow, welcome to the snake bit club. Sounds like me except I do every thing but pain RX. Yeah,

constant pain, puking pain, mind screwing pain, can't go to sleep pain.

Your pharmacist is not judge and jury and looking to liability.

I"d say your dentist is the one who is going to do you some good, he can give you something until you get that dental work.

You can get super ill like I did a few years ago and lose all your money if the tooth gives you a blood infection.

At your age (I'm older) it can damage your heart and you don't need that.

You rant is justified, you were hit out of left frield no this.I don't know who for you to call because they just gave you a special Xmas gift - the one I've been given before - when they're giving you the screw and there is no one to call to take them to account.

Really shits on that Christmas spirit. After a few such stunts, Xmas really isn't much but a time to watch out for devilment from bureaucrats.

I can't advise you what to do for the pain, I do things all day and night long but you probably know them all by now. Just try to keep calm, I know it's hell, but it just makes it hurt that much worse.

Don't get a damn stroke over this!

Best wishes.
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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:26 PM

18. Coming off of pain meds suck

 

That's why I stay away from them. I feel worse than I did when I started taking them - when I come off gradually. I see none of this withdrawal with cannabis.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:40 PM

19. If you get desperate a old remedy is kerosene, was in every house back in the day, a little on a pie

If you get desperate a old remedy is kerosene, was in every house back in the day, a little on a piece of gauze, dab on tooth, it works, I didnít have any side effects. No candy or sugar, it aggravates infections. I would see how the penicillin works first depending how bad it hurts. Good Luck and a Merry Christmas Hopefully!

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:46 PM

20. hey man - try swishing with listerine a few times a day...

it will hurt at first but it will kill the infection and get you by until you can get it fixed....i've done it a dozen times at least....lol (Inherited my dads teeth lol)

*hugs*

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:51 PM

21. my mom has the same problems..

she has spine problems .. for which shes had about 10 procedures and 2 surgeries to no avail...
at any rate, shes prescribed oxycontin... like you, she even asked for a smaller dose than she was originally offered...
we found out quickly the run around you get trying to fill it...

we live in a small town.. but we have 5 pharmacies...
all of them refused to carry her MG of oxycontin.. they said if she were ever to stop theyd be left with inventory (im kidding you not)...
so ..
we started getting it filled near where my mother was having to see the DR (in a larger city about an hour away)..
we had no problems at all... then one day, the Walgreens we had been using told us they didn't have any in stock .. so they sent us to another walgreens down the street...
well... they refuse to fill it because we lived out of town.. even tho the one down the street had been for months.. lol...

weve also had pharmacies try to give us half prescriptions because of stock, only to find out later they 'aren't allowed' to give us the rest... what?

they made all these idiotic laws that they think is preventing abuse, but its not.. its just hurting folks who actually do have pain from getting the medication they need.
people will always abuse something that gets you high.. that's just humans for ya..

I know in my state, people used to get lots of the stuff from another southern state (florida) and bring it back here... so not sure how making it harder for DRs in my state to prescribe it makes it harder for addicts to get it... when they weren't getting it that way to begin with.. lol...

ive told my mom that marijuana would be a great route for her to try.. but in order to keep her prescription coming shes drug tested.. so.. there goes that.. and shes afraid to not have the pill around as an alternative still if the other doesn't work..
shes open to about anything as far as treatment and easing symptoms...

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:55 PM

22. That idiot pharmacist has never had tooth pain.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 12:11 AM

23. It has been going on at least 15 years.

I had a doctor double my dose of a controlled substance so my prescription was running out about 10 days early. I dropped off the new one at a different pharmacy and was told I couldn't get it for another 4 days. I explained the change in dosage and they were both written by the same doctor but they wouldn't fill it until I would be down to 1 days dosage (in the middle of winter and constant snow storms). So I had been on this drug for several months but I couldn't have a few extra days at my house because I might get addicted? What? BTW, they apparently link this to some central system (Federal?) because it happened to be Eckerd's and Walgreen's involved but the Eckerd's was referencing data from Walgreen's. It was very irritating and unnecessary.

To your point about the pharmacist making decisions on their own. That is the case in Maryland. Maryland does not require a prescription for syringes but the pharmacist can refuse service. My mother had been buying syringes in Maryland for years when she didn't want to go to her doctor for a prescription to avoid a bunch of extra tests and such. She never had a problem. I went once to pick some up for her and was refused at three different pharmacies. I was about 30yrs. old clean cut wearing neat t-shirt and jeans. At the third pharmacy I finally said, "I thought syringes were non-prescription in Maryland?". She said, "Yes. they are but we can decide not to sell them." I asked why she wouldn't sell them to me as my mother never had a problem. She said, "It is our prerogative and you were asking for a lot." I was asking for 2 boxes a couple of months worth at most. Besides that it is plain prejudicial for a pharmacist to decide who gets to buy something and who doesn't--in the case of syringes it seems the whole idea of making them readily available is to help stop the spread of disease by sharing of needles. If I were a 30 old junkie, I would be the exact type of person they should be GIVING syringes to so that I would not get or spread a chronic disease. Still makes me mad to think about it 10 years later--I was refused service by three nice Christian types because they were saving my soul or something even though the law said otherwise. I can imagine being a teen girl trying to pick up a birth control prescription in those towns ~shudder~.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 01:50 AM

24. While doctors and pharmacies continue getting heat from the DEA

this is unlikely to get better. I used to be on pain meds when I lived in England for chronic headaches. It wasn't that pleasant to quit them after 10 years, but I did. I had to when I moved back here because no doctor would give me me meds for chronic headaches .... I could fake them, don't you know? So for the last 5 years, I've suffered from the headaches with no relief because some people are too stupid to not use opiates recreationally and actually use them as intended. My quality of life has suffered immensely, but nobody cares, even though I never had mishaps with my meds in all the years I took them.

First of all, your doctor should have known getting a separate script could present a challenge for you. To make you get another script from the dentist is inconvenient enough (for the sake of one extra pill a day? Really??), but this presents a problem at the pharmacy too. It's just stupid. I've stopped blaming the doctors and pharmacies completely though. The DEA is mostly to blame here. They think they are actually going to make a difference by doing this. It has now become easier for people to get pain meds off the street than to get them from a doctor. This should never be. A person is always going to be better off getting them from a licensed physician who knows their history, and the meds are regulated so you don't get dangerous fillers or unknown purities that can kill. The DEA has made this harder and harder to achieve. It's disgusting. My dad has very bad arthritis and needs a hip replacement, he has no cartilage and there are bone spurs everywhere - but he's under medicated as far as pain relief. He's been getting all kinds of crap too.

So sorry, I hope next time you don't get a problem.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:14 AM

25. I've got a compression fracture

at L5 which keeps me in more or less a constant state of some degree of pain. Been through all the MRI's, surgical option (none), steriod injections, etc. to no avail. Finally one pain specialist at a major University hospital thought to add a small dose (5mg) of a class II drug to my regular routine of 4 Lortab tablets a day. Worked wonders. For the first time in 20 years I was able to be pain free for extended periods during the day and night.

Florida strictly controls this stuff - you can't phone in a Rx, and you don't get refills so it means a once a month visit to the pain doc for a new Rx. OK. Whatever. But this month I went to my usual Walgreens to fill the monthly Rx and was told that 'they were out'. So the following dialogue with the pharmacy tech ensued:

Me - Well, do you know when you might get it in?
W- No. They don't tell us.
Me - Can you hold the Rx and fill it when it comes in?
W - No. We don't do that.
Me - Well, could you see if another Walgreens has it in stock?
W - No. We don't do that.

I was so pissed that I went home and called Walgreens HQ, assuming that it was just some snippy pharmacist assistant throwing her weight around. Instead I learned that what the tech told me is in fact Walgreens' stated policy. When I asked Walgreens if I could call their other pharmacies in the area to see if they had the med in stock, she told me that Walgreens prohibits this - supposedly due to "DEA regulations". When I asked her what a patient in my situation was supposed to do, the answer floored me: "You will just have to go from store to store personally". ((I live in an area where the next 'store' may be 20 miles away). Drive there to have them tell you that they too don't have it!

Absolutely unbelievable.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:34 AM

29. Wow. What a hassle. n/t

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:19 AM

26. Go to a pharmacy that does not have your records

I don't think this is that big a deal.


Actually, I would switch pharmacies, but maybe that is just me.



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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:24 AM

27. I am torn

I have dealt with people who have abused prescription pills, it is not pretty. You would not be able to tell from short term interactions that there is an issue. There is probably a limit to the number of pills they allow per time period or something of that sort.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:30 AM

28. I am convinced the pharmacies

Get kick-backs from the insurance companies or something. I had a hypertension med that I wanted to fill after my appointment but I did still have about a week of the med at home. I had time that day so I asked them to fill it so I'd be set for awhile. This is a generic beta blocker- has been around fir decades so plenty of generics availabe. When they said "insurance company says it's too soon" I replied "I think I can handle the $5 generic myself and the doctor wrote the script. Will that be enough for you or do I need to switch pharmacies? ". They apologized and filled it.

I don't feel a need to be polite to either the pharmacy or insurance company when they try to make decisions that are none of their business.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 10:54 AM

30. The war on drugs

Is a war on people, plain and simple. I'm pissed off for you! This is idiotic. We are all held hostage in some way by the great fear of DRUGS and the disgusting desire in our society to police other people's bodies.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:27 AM

31. Maybe I'm missing something here...but didn't the dentist screw this up

The dentist directed you to take medication prescribed to you by a different doctor.

And guess what - that fucked everything up.

If I were the doctor who originally prescribed the hydrocodone, I would be beyond pissed off that some dentist told my patient to alter the use of a fucking narcotic. I mean livid, I mean reporting the dentist to sanctioning bodies.

But that's just me.

BTW, the pharmacist doesn't necessarily think YOU are the junkie. The pharmacist is worried that you might be SUPPLYING a junkie. (a local doctor just got sentenced to prison for overprescribing narcotics btw - the pharmacists do have to be careful). Have you ever known an addict (especially a narcotic addict) - if they need a fix, they will do ANYTHING...they will steal, prostitute themselves, etc...and they will also beg and badger - I mean blow up your phone with texts and calls, and crying, and tales of desperation, and excuses about phantom pain...and they will do this for days. So yeah, a 60 y/o man with a sudden change in prescription raises a red flag.

Again, ponder what the dentist did - its a controlled substance, and the dentist said 'hey, you've got some on hand, go ahead and take one'. How could that not fuck everything up.

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Response to Unknown Beatle (Original post)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 12:41 PM

32. If you have time, try clove oil

It does not work for everyone but it does for some

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