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Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:03 AM

I love the subtle defense posts for Old Man Duck guy popping up here at DU...

You know ---the ones pointing out what Liberals have said in the past.

Let's make something clear to our troll friends. The difference between us and you troll winger morans is---- when one of our guys fucks up--- we go after them hard. A turd is a turd.

When one of your guys fucks up, you don't say shit.

nuff said.


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Reply I love the subtle defense posts for Old Man Duck guy popping up here at DU... (Original post)
trumad Dec 2013 OP
Pholus Dec 2013 #1
sharp_stick Dec 2013 #4
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #21
Iris Dec 2013 #74
blueridge3210 Dec 2013 #78
Iris Dec 2013 #86
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #90
stevenleser Dec 2013 #6
Pholus Dec 2013 #7
stevenleser Dec 2013 #11
truebluegreen Dec 2013 #15
Pholus Dec 2013 #22
LovingA2andMI Dec 2013 #69
7962 Dec 2013 #87
truebluegreen Dec 2013 #92
Fla Dem Dec 2013 #34
Pholus Dec 2013 #36
Half-Century Man Dec 2013 #65
MADem Dec 2013 #52
merrily Dec 2013 #71
snooper2 Dec 2013 #2
libtodeath Dec 2013 #3
BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #27
yuiyoshida Dec 2013 #73
Aristus Dec 2013 #5
In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #13
Aristus Dec 2013 #14
In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #20
Aristus Dec 2013 #39
In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #44
Aristus Dec 2013 #46
rhett o rick Dec 2013 #8
Iggo Dec 2013 #9
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #10
In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #45
Squinch Dec 2013 #48
In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #54
Squinch Dec 2013 #55
In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #58
Squinch Dec 2013 #83
Go Vols Dec 2013 #12
mercuryblues Dec 2013 #16
DeschutesRiver Dec 2013 #32
arcane1 Dec 2013 #38
7962 Dec 2013 #89
kentuck Dec 2013 #17
libdem4life Dec 2013 #95
Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #18
Squinch Dec 2013 #49
WinkyDink Dec 2013 #19
heaven05 Dec 2013 #23
BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #24
steve2470 Dec 2013 #42
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Zorra Dec 2013 #26
Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #28
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grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #30
Marr Dec 2013 #31
Pholus Dec 2013 #35
Marr Dec 2013 #37
RKP5637 Dec 2013 #82
JI7 Dec 2013 #53
Rex Dec 2013 #59
Iris Dec 2013 #75
countryjake Dec 2013 #76
displacedtexan Dec 2013 #33
Lancero Dec 2013 #40
Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #51
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uponit7771 Dec 2013 #61
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Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #50
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NealK Dec 2013 #80
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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:08 AM

1. A&E couldn't fire him without a way he violated a contract.

And certainly, MY employers wouldn't tolerate me openly tarnishing their brand.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:17 AM

4. Depends if he's considered an employee in LA

if A&E has him employed in LA they can fire him for whatever the hell they want. It's a "right to work" State.

In any case I'm sure they have him in a pretty tight contract.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:54 PM

21. I think you're confusing ...

"Right to Work" (i.e., the ability to work in a unionized setting without having to join a union, but are allowed to get the union-negotiated benefits ... IOW, to leech of the work of others) and "At Will" employment (where one can quit or be fired for any reason, or no reason, so long as it is not an unlawful reason).

But that said, where there is an employment contract, "At Will" status is irrelevant.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 05:51 AM

74. "leech of(f) the work of orders" Really?

Notice how now that unions have been busted, we no longer have much of a middle class anymore?

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Response to Iris (Reply #74)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:37 AM

78. I think you misread the post.

The poster's point is those who work in a "union shop" but don't join the union get the benefits without paying dues which is allowed in a Right to Work state.

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Response to blueridge3210 (Reply #78)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:28 AM

86. Oops! that's what I get for reading DU when I have insomnia

I guess I'm feeling overly defensive because of all the manufactured controversy.

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Response to Iris (Reply #86)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 09:01 AM

90. Not a problem n/t

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Response to Pholus (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:19 AM

6. Media contracts for shows and talent always contain umpteen "out" clauses.

If they want to get you off the air and end your contract early, there are always clauses in the contract where they can do it.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:22 AM

7. Sounds like you probably need to keep them happy then, huh.

This was about a very lucrative contract voluntarily tossed away. I have more sympathy for Walmart workers than this clown. They aren't rich enough to affort the luxury of saying what they want to say.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:49 AM

11. That's it in a nutshell, yes. And like you, I do not feel sorry for this guy. nt

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Response to Pholus (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:08 PM

15. They probably are happy:

Free publicity, and an outpouring of support from their target audience. As Jon Stewart said, A&E just lost their gay and black audience....

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:57 PM

22. Any reality star knows controversy = larger paycheck

According to Wikipedia, 10% decline in audience from Seasons 3 to 4 finale this year...though the premier had been up by 30%.

http://wikipedia.sfstate.us/Duck_Dynasty#Seasonal_ratings

Possibly time to shake it up?

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 02:30 AM

69. Can't speak for the LGBT community but....

I can speak on behalf of other African-Americans I know. And trust me, NONE of them watched Duck Dynasty before Phil Robertson's comment and won't be watching the Duckers since his comment.

Scandal, yes. Duck Dynasty, hell no.

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:33 AM

87. Love Scandal. Nothings better than not knowing whats coming next. nt

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Response to LovingA2andMI (Reply #69)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 11:22 AM

92. I know--I was being sarcastic.

They've "lost" an audience they never had, or wanted.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:42 PM

34. Not fired yet. Put on suspension.

This leaves an out for A&E to appear to have punished him and then bring him back. This has all been a big publicity show.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:44 PM

36. Kind of a form of Duck Twerking, as it were...

Think you've hit it on the head.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:04 AM

65. Ugh...why for that image?

This will take a severe sugar/alcohol binge to erase. Both the twerking waterfowl and the twerking camouflaged old fake biker.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:51 PM

52. The latest season of the show--with the Happy Hater front and center--is already recorded and about

to be shown on TV.

So people who are interested will be able to see a whole series of that dorky shitbird.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 03:29 AM

71. He probably did violate his contract, just as Baldwin did.

Contracts in the entertainment field tend to have clauses that cover these situations, going way back to the days when people in show business would disassociate themselves from people who had affairs, like Ingrid Bergman. Probably goes back before her, but she is the first one I heard about.

It's also why some unmarried actresses in her era "adopted" a baby and raised him or her as single mothers, for which they got praise from the public, as opposed to a pink slip from the studio for getting "knocked up."

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:10 AM

2. I am proud to say I've never watched that show...

I didn't even know what was going on till I heard something about it on the Today show yesterday morning


Nice to be offline and hanging with family out of town

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:11 AM

3. Repukes dont just stay quiet they cheer the hate and bigotry.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:11 PM

27. yep.

I've never seen this show, by the way. Boo hoo.

It's enough to see what's going on through info shared here.

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 03:39 AM

73. I have never seen it either...

Not saying I am shocked though.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:19 AM

5. Actually,

they do say shit. And nothing but shit...

You're right; we call out our own; it's what makes us better than them...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:55 AM

13. Yup!

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:56 AM

14. Good morning!

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Response to Aristus (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:49 PM

20. G'morning to you too.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:25 PM

39. Yeah, it's snowing here in the PNW!

I've seen two patients so far this morning.

People are looking out their windows at the snow and thinking: "Y'know, I don't feel so bad after all!..."

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Response to Aristus (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:07 PM

44. It's really better that they stayed home.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:35 PM

46. What a beautiful image. Thank you.



Yeah, it would be bad if someone got into a car wreck just to have their common cold evaluated.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:34 AM

8. They may not "say shit" but they certainly throw shit. nm

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:41 AM

9. THAT's the FACT, JACK!

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:44 AM

10. It's an orchestrated effort. They are also trying to

 

Incite DU'ers and alert so they can get hides up to 5 and above.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 04:10 PM

45. I knew there was a plot somewhere.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:35 PM

48. Holy crap! What is that photo from?

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Response to Squinch (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:55 PM

54. It's from "Pan's Labyrinth".

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:57 PM

55. Blaaaah! I'm going to have nightmares!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:18 PM

58. With tomorrow's dawn



comes the longest night of the winter.



Sleep well, snuggled safely in your bed where nothing can harm you, Squinch.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #58)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 07:39 AM

83. Awwwwww! You made me smile! Have a happy Solstice!

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:52 AM

12. The old duck guy

said in July he wouldn't be with the show much longer.

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/duck-dynastys-phil-robertson-i-wont-do-the-show-much-longer-2013267


I have watched about 10 minutes of this show, and it hit me as one of the shows that make people in the South look more stupid than they really are.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:31 PM

16. And today

the family is saying they can't do the show without him. I actually think the DD actors have planned this. they want out of their contract for a more lucrative deal with another network.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:32 PM

32. Thanks for that. So this entire controversy is fake.

I saw the old 2010 clip of Phil gay bashing at Beran Bible Church and wondered how A&E had missed that. And how the family could have the balls to say Phil would never incite hatred, when they knew he did inflammatory incitement on a regular basis, and in churches, no less.

Wonder why Phil and his family chose to leave the network in this vile fashion?

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:53 PM

38. Well there you have it. This is all part of the show.

As well as some red meat for teabaggers.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:40 AM

89. I'd have to disagree...ever seen 'Honey Boo Boo"? Good lord.

While I've only seen a couple episodes of both, DD never hides the fact that they went to college and actually know business. Heck, the old guy Phil could've played pro football after college. Terry Bradshaw was HIS backup QB.
The other show is pretty much "lets see how stupid we can make them look". The answer is, pretty damn stupid!!

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:31 PM

17. What about Dan Rather? Bill Maher? Martin Bashir? Helen Thomas?

Who stood up to defend their free speech??

Fucking hypocrites!!!

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Response to kentuck (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:21 PM

95. ... Hilary Rosen

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:34 PM

18. Subtle?

Ha! They couldn't be more obvious.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:37 PM

49. Exactly. Overt, openly stated support for bigotry, homophobia and sexism.

Not DU's proudest moment. And that's saying something.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:35 PM

19. More to the point: R-Wers are the FIRST to shout "J'accuse!" about a Democrat. Then they take

umbrage if one subsequently shows them their defensive hypocrisy when one of theirs errs.

IOW: The concept of "Either both are right, or both are wrong" escapes them.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 12:59 PM

23. +1000

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:07 PM

24. in repuke world, you can *tarnish* your own brand as much as you want

Their ma$$ter$ just keep on pouring money into their offensive offense.

Make the lies big, say 'em loud and say 'em often. To paraphrase Goering. (Or was it Goebbels who said that?)

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:48 PM

42. Hitler first, then Goebbels

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 05:24 PM

47. oh thanks!

It's nice to hang out with smart people.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:08 PM

25. Actually they do say shit...

....to back up the turd

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:08 PM

26. yeh, huh?

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:17 PM

28. Alec Baldwin was fired and no one here compained that I know of.

Oops, one of Old Man Ducks DU pals calls him by his first name--Phil.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:24 PM

29. Subtle and not so subtle

That false equivalency bs is so transparent.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:26 PM

30. PR firms. They post on sites like this all the time.... Need a job?

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:29 PM

31. I've noticed something about his defenders.

They aren't willing to defend his comments on gays or Jim Crow laws. They *only* want to talk about the very very specific issue of whether or not A&E has the right to fire him. That's the only angle that lets them frame themselves as victims instead of bullies and bigots. Ask them what they think of his actual comments and watch them hem and haw and try to change the subject.

When Bill Maher was dropped from cable for saying something unpopular, he stood by it, and so did the people who agreed with him, for the most part. I agreed with him. I remember having arguments at the time with people on the subject, and the argument didn't center around some twisted contract question-- we talked about the actual comments.

These bigot defenders won't do that.

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Response to Marr (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:43 PM

35. They don't even have an argument!


You get fired if your contract allows it and you tick off your bosses.

But, the more this plays, the more obvious that it was a way of bolstering ratings.

It clicked when I got passed the "Poor Phil but it's okay for Miley" bit. I realized that old
Phil and Miley do the same business, so of course the same tactics work.

Shock em, make a controversy, and watch the cash roll in.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:47 PM

37. Yep-- just more marketing bullshit.

I had never uttered a word about "Duck Dynasty" in my life, nor watched the show. But half of yesterday was filled with arguments on this asinine drivel and I'm almost ashamed to admit I contributed to it.

Marketing bullshit. Clever, effective, marketing bullshit.

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Response to Pholus (Reply #35)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 07:20 AM

82. Yep, point in case, I didn't even know who they were until all of this

happened. If I had by chance clicked on them, I would have just moved on seeing it as another crap reality show. ... not that I would watch now, but that they got a lot of publicity out of this. Now, some other outfit will probably pick them up if legally possible, contracts and all ...

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Response to Marr (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:51 PM

53. how about the stupid first amendment argument

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Response to Marr (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:20 PM

59. Also they keep saying this is about his 1st amendment rights

when clearly this is about him working for a private corporation and saying some incredibly offensive things. A lot of them keep droning on about the 1st and his rights...

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Response to Rex (Reply #59)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 05:56 AM

75. because they're "entrepreneurs"

If there's more money to be made elsewhere, why not?

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Response to Marr (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:16 AM

76. Actually, many do, saying things like they see no conflict...

with their moral values in what he has said. That way they can frame his firing as an attack on their religion and thump even harder on the bibles as "persecuted" christians.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:39 PM

33. So true!

My favorites are the bigots who accuse us of bigotry when we call them bigots.

As for reality "stars": zoo animals don't know they're in cages for our amusement. Why would these fame whores believe they are any different?

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:45 PM

40. Yeah, bullshit.

What was it that we said about Bashirs comments to Palin?

Ah yes.

"Way to go!"
"100% Correct!"
"Tell it to em Bashir!"

And when he got the can, we raised la shitstorm about it.

Our guy fucked up, and we flocked to praise and defend him.

So no, we are not so diffrient. We just defend different things.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:48 PM

51. Bahahaha! Right. "our guy".

 

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Response to Lancero (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:13 PM

57. I don't think "we" unanimously said much...

some of us may have made statements defending Bashir, some of us may have thought Bashir's comment was not admirable, others of us may not have wanted/or cared about the story at all, for whatever reason. Your "we" paints with a broad brush, revealing much about you Lancero. Enjoy your stay.

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Response to Lancero (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:23 PM

61. Bashir said something supremacist about Palin? Really, you're attempting to compare the two? tia

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Response to Lancero (Reply #40)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:58 AM

81. Bashir said Palin is a dunce. She is.

He didn't mock her race or her sexuality. I guess he offended stupid people everywhere. All of them watching a political commentary show instead of fake duck hunters.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 02:46 PM

41. and some not so subtle. the trolls are working hard today.

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Response to spanone (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 09:46 PM

50. Yes

 

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 03:00 PM

43. Thank you, couldn't have been stated better! nt

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:10 PM

56. I say fire with fire. We "do" need to declare a psychological war on right wing personalities.

Let it escalate. It's time to bring the last vestiges of bigotry and racism out into the open so it can be marginalized never again to see 50% of the people agreeing with Old Daddy "Candidate for the KKK" Duck.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/19/the-right-s-duck-dynasty-hypocrisy.html

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/12/19/duck-dynasty-free-speech-and-hypocrisy-gays-phil-robertson-palin/

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:22 PM

60. I'm sure some of y'all have been to Monroe

And, having been, what surprises me the most about this is the...well, surprise. Did anybody think Mr. Phil *didn't* feel like this about gays and blacks?

I'm not defending him in the least (well...I do support his right to publicly say whatever he wants, but A&E can also fire him should they wish), just saying that even my hyper-liberal self-described "flamingly gay" LA native law student friend is like "Phil hates gays, this is news?"

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Response to sir pball (Reply #60)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:38 AM

88. Once again I feel compelled to point out..

... that his racist comments were much more offensive (to me anyway) than his anti-gay crap. Everyone is trying hard to forget what he said about slavery.

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:25 PM

62. Why even get worked up over it

Doesn't NEED to be said its so freakin obvious.

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Fri Dec 20, 2013, 10:47 PM

63. The duck-fuckers will eventually give up and fade away

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Fri Dec 20, 2013, 11:21 PM

64. I have never seen this show.

Now the more I read about it, the less I want to. In a way it's a sign of America's skewed priorities. One asshole saying this shit is such a huge deal now? All over the media, all over DU... why the fuck is this breaking news? Someone explain it to me. Did the guy say something so terrible that it has never before been said by one of the multitude of conservative asshats that fill the media, the radio, the internet... I really do not get it.

As I don't really know much about what he said or what happened, I wasn't inclined to give a damn until I started seeing it everywhere I bother going on the internet. Why are we freaking out about THIS particular idiot?

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Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:20 AM

66. Not only do they not say shit ... they smell it and say that smells great, lets try some more ....

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Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:40 AM

67. Well - here I am.

Yes, I have watched most of the Duck Dynasty shows - Mrs. Mopar thinks it's "cute". As several of her other viewing choices include such crap as "The Witches of East End" and the Lifetime soapy Xmas movies, I simply do not see Duck Dynasty as evil incarnate - or particularly bad TV.

But then, I'm crazy by the standards of most Americans. I despise lying in general, don't find backstabbing, manipulation, humiliation, or malignant capitalisim even remotely amusing. So, about 6/10 sitcoms are unwatchable for me, and about the same proportion of reality TV. My favorite reality shows were Monster Gararge and American Loggers - where smart, hardworking people did amazing stuff, and the stars of the show sought the best outcomes, not the most conflict and drama. Whiny, useless/egotistical maggots get straightened out, or shown the door. "Survivor", IMHO, is a showcase for sociopaths.

Sadly, a lot of TV has a very negative message for folks like me. "Home Improvement", for example - I should love that, should'nt I? - all those tools and stuff? Then why did I get the feeling that the main point of the show was that people (particularly men) who have skills and knowledge, and can really make things, are inferior to passive-agressive women. Oh, yes - and we stupid men should never fix anything, that's what shopping is for.

So, Phil Robertson is 10 times worse than Donald Trump how?

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #67)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 02:39 AM

70. He's in the same league as Donald Trump...

Phil:

According to Robertson, growing up in those Louisiana backwoods in the pre-civil rights era was not bad for black people.

“I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person," Robertson is quoted in GQ. "Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I’m with the blacks, because we’re white trash. We’re going across the field.... They’re singing and happy. I never heard one of them, one black person, say, ‘I tell you what: These doggone white people’—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.”


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/19/phil-robertson-black-people_n_4473474.html

Donald Trump via Twitter:
"According to Bill O'Reilly, 80% of all the shootings in New York City are blacks-if you add Hispanics, that figure goes to 98%. 1% white."

"Sadly, the overwhelming amount of violent crime in our major cities is committed by blacks and hispanics-a tough subject-must be discussed."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/donald-trump-blames-crime_n_3392535.html

So no, there is no difference between Donald Trump and Phil Robertson. Also, by the way, as a African-American, I would not spend five minutes before or after his comments watching Robertson's show. The History Channel is more interesting entertainment.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #67)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:22 AM

77. If the bigotry doesn't bother you, how about the fact that it's yuppies in redneck drag?

Pictures are all over the internet of what those guys look like out of costume, and it's all clean cheeks, khaki and golf cleats, no beards or camo to be seen.

In short, they're feigning working class attributes to make money off of people like you, based on the assumption that you're not smart enough to figure it out. They're Lamar Alexander's flannel campaign shirt expanded into a marketing juggernaut.

Yes, TV is frequently shitty to working class people, when they're visible at all. But making working class heroes out of people who aren't is only making that problem worse. If you want to make a class issue out of it, how about showing solidarity for all of the working class black southerners the man said such awful, lying things about?

But what do I know? I'm just an uppity bitch who knows how to fix shit.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:54 AM

79. +1000!

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 07:39 AM

84. Who makes the duck calls?

Who invented the duck calls? " Pictures all over the net don't "prove" a damm thing - beards like those don't grow overnight, and what if they are marketing? "Feigning working class attributes"??? I take it you are not very familiar with the actual show, or hunting, or producing a unique product under the guidance of a freshly minted business school graduate (like Willie) - who may decide to motivate you by throwing out your lunch, closing the break room, or getting rid of all the chairs in assembly.
While I'm at it -People like me, not smart enough to figure out marketing? Hell-o... Lamar Alexander's flannel shirt deflated in seconds, when folks in New Hampshire saw a city boy dumb enough to wear wool flannel in July. I'm sure the Robertsons have made less than a nickel off of me, ever - I certainly don't need to license my beard from them.

Look - if you really want to understand niche marketing, and the whole concept of "gear queer", I would reccomend William Gibson's book "Zero History" - You'll learn a lot about fashion and denim, as well.

As for the 3rd paragraph - Ive been in the mirror of that situation - rooming with a black family in lily-white NH. It's about being accepted by folks with the grace to make the best of their situation? What are your qualifications for a working class hero, anyway? For me, it has a lot to do with being able to really make or do things, and not just selling stuff and manipulating people. Like taking your grandson out and fishing a banquet from the swamp, or teaching your texting-obsessed granddaughter how to shoot skeet.





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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #84)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:04 AM

85. Did you actually see what he said about black people? Go read it and come back.

Because 'I like people who work with their hands and did I mention I once lived with some black people' are totally not acceptable reasons to excuse saying that black people were totally happy and pious and never complained to white guys or sang the blues before civil rights and welfare ruined them, which is what he said.

Personally my People Doing Something Useful on TV tastes run more to that Canadian contractor on HGTV whose name escapes me because it's 5 am, but if I found out tomorrow that he's a terrible bigoted person I'd quit watching and I wouldn't make excuses for him.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #85)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:05 PM

93. Yes, I did read it, days ago

Sorry if I don't meet your standards for political purity - apparently, I'm too busy trying to get along with people. And you're projecting a good deal of what you think you read. Seriously. Were you there, hoeing cotton in Louisana? Phil did not use the words you did - it's that simple. If you seperate Phil's experience from his opinion (use a paper & pencil if you have to - diagram the friggin' sentences!) . I think Phil got the facts right, as he saw them - his opinion is full of shit, but it is shared by rather a lot of black people. Look up Chris Rock on You Toob, you don't beleive me.

The Canadian dude is Mike Holmes, and he is the real deal - but if you don't like the lingere' choices of the ladies on the crew, who are curvy and smokin' hot (including Mike's daughters), feel free to quit.

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Response to Mopar151 (Reply #93)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 12:15 PM

94. Wait, you think what he said was right?



"I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people' -- not a word!" he said. "Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #94)

Tue Dec 24, 2013, 01:59 AM

97. As I said, you were not there.

And the qualifying statement re: white trash keeps being omitted

Could Phil's contemporaries have had the grace and vision to know the difference between their fellow sufferer's under Jim Crow , and the man that works for Mistah Charley? Oppression like that is a lot more subtle - and the folks who understand it arent't apt to go on about it to the kid from down the road, not with work to be done and a crop to get in.

Read up on the history of the Irish immigrants in Louisiana - cheaper than a slave can be a very hard way to go.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #77)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 10:13 AM

91. +10,000. Thank you. (nt)

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 02:20 AM

68. This. ^^^

"When one of your guys fucks up, you don't say shit."

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 03:33 AM

72. People defending homophobic bigotry and racial bigotry need to STFU.

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Sat Dec 21, 2013, 06:57 AM

80. K&R n/t

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Response to trumad (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2013, 08:34 PM

96. Wait a minute!

When one of your guys fucks up, you don't say shit.


Yes they do! The defend and celebrate him and ask him to speak at kook conventions.

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