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Sat Dec 14, 2013, 07:37 PM

At Least 194 Children Have Been Shot to Death Since Newtown

This is your country on guns.





You've heard this story before, the one that played out again the week of Thanksgiving—this time in Lakeland, Florida—where 2-year-old Taj Ayesh got his little hands on his father's loaded pistol, pulled the trigger, and crumpled to the ground. You may have heard about 9-year-old Daniel Wiley, who was playing outside his house in Harrisburg, Texas, when a 13-year-old mishandled an unsecured shotgun, blasting Wiley in the face. You may also have heard about 2-year-old Camryn Shultz of Forty Fort, Pennsylvania, whose embittered father put a bullet in her head before turning the gun on himself. Maybe you didn't hear about the case in which a child shot others and then committed suicide, but that also happened this year. Twice.

A year after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Mother Jones has analyzed the subsequent deaths of 194 children ages 12 and under who were reported in news accounts to have died in gun accidents, homicides, and suicides. They are spread across 43 states, from inner cities to tiny rural towns.


Following Sandy Hook, the National Rifle Association and its allies argued that arming more adults is the solution to protecting children, be it from deranged mass shooters or from home invaders. But the data we collected stands as a stark rejoinder to that view:

127 of the children died from gunshots in their own homes, while dozens more died in the homes of friends, neighbors, and relatives.
72 of the young victims either pulled the trigger themselves or were shot dead by another kid.
In those 72 cases, only 4 adults have been held criminally liable.
At least 52 deaths involved a child handling a gun left unsecured.
Additional findings include:

60 children died at the hands of their own parents, 50 of them in homicides.
The average age of the victims was 6 years old.
More than two-thirds of the victims were boys, as were more than three-quarters of the kids who pulled the trigger.
The problem was worst over the past year in the South, which saw at least 92 child gun deaths, followed by the Midwest (44), the West (38), and the East (20).
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/children-killed-guns-newtown-anniversary


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freshwest Dec 2013 #1
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seattledo Dec 2013 #13
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Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #31
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tblue Dec 2013 #8
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DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #11
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Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #21
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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 07:56 PM

1. Thing have not improved, except in CA, AFAIK.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:07 PM

2. Actually it's gotten worse

At will concealed carry has been expanded, as has Stand your Ground. It seems the gun lobby sees national tragedies like Newtown as an opportunity to expand their influence and of course increase profits for gun manufacturers.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:23 PM

13. Children & Stand your Ground laws

 

Is there any requirement in them to verify the age of the intended victim?

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Response to seattledo (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:28 PM

14. What are you talking about?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 01:28 AM

27. sigh

 

Obviously I'm talking about the people that decide to kill children because they think the stand your ground laws give them the right to kill anyone, anywhere. I know gun owners have no respect for children, but I was asking if the laws required them to.

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Response to seattledo (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:21 PM

31. Gun owners have no respect for children?

 

Really? You really want to go there?
What kind of an idiot would claim that?

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Response to seattledo (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:26 PM

32. there have been teens killed, and the killers then invoked stand your ground

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I don't believe the age of the victim is a factor in the law per se. SYG changes the standard of self defense to make retreat, even when safe, unnecessary. A judge in a SYG hearing, however, would have to believe the shooter had a reasonable fear for his life, which likely becomes less convincing as the victim is younger. Whether pre-teens have been killed by shooters invoking SYG, I don't know. I seem to recall an unsuccessful case with a ten year old boy in Texas, but I'm not sure how that was ultimately resolved.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 09:19 PM

35. I think they've improved for gun manufacturers, and that's all that matters.

All non-ruling class ppl are expendable.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:12 PM

3. K&R

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:37 PM

4. Get thee off to the Greatest Page!

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:35 PM

15. Thanks!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:43 PM

5. About a third of them murdered by their parents

"60 children died at the hands of their own parents, 50 of them in homicides."

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:51 PM

6. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!


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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 08:58 PM

7. One is too many

Kick and rec

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:21 PM

8. If it were up to me



Amen, my brother. But it's not enough for too many Americans.

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Response to tblue (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:00 PM

12. Unfortunately, it's not up to us

It's up to the multibillion dollar gun lobby.

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Response to tblue (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 10:36 PM

36. you should start a new thread with this video

very powerful!

and thank you for sharing




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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:28 PM

9. K&R

Thanks for keeping the necessity for more stringent gun control measures on the front burner where it belongs. We have a long way to go, but we're off to a great start and the momentum will continue to grow as the American people become more aware of the right-wing NRA-enabled gun menace to our society.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:49 PM

10. Recommended. (nt)

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 09:52 PM

11. Recommended.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:39 PM

16. Recommended, and shared.

DAMN guns.

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Response to calimary (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:50 PM

18. Indeed

Damned and demonic. They exist for no purpose other than to kill.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sat Dec 14, 2013, 10:44 PM

17. Recommended!

Both here and at YouTube!

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:08 AM

19. The faces of Newtown

Let's not forget who this is about.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:23 AM

20. I think those who left guns where kids can get them should be held responsible in some way

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:24 AM

21. Moar guns!

 



I hate guns and I wouldn't shed a tear if every gun was banned and confiscated.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:29 AM

22. Really?

How long have you felt that way?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:36 AM

23. I've always felt that way.

 

I absolutely hate guns.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:44 AM

24. How does that go over?

In Bachmann country?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 12:57 AM

25. Ugh.

 

Not so well.

I have a classmate who is a card-carrying NRA member and he and I get into it all the time. It's hard to be professional to him because he's a fellow grad student.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 07:17 AM

38. May I ask

What field are you studying in grad school?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:43 AM

40. Archaeology.

 

I'll have my Master's in May.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #40)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:12 PM

48. That sounds interesting

Will you get a PhD?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:18 PM

49. I don't think so.

 

In this field, a PhD will be pointless, unless one goes into academia. It's almost impossible to find a job in academia these days.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #49)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:20 PM

50. True, but what will you do with an MA in Archaeology?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #50)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:26 PM

51. I'll be a Principal Investigator for archaeology firms somewhere in the region.

 

I guess wherever I can get a job.

I'll start applying to places at the end of February.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #51)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:27 PM

52. Archaeology firms?

So you're not talking about anthropological digs?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:33 PM

53. 90% of the archaeology conducted in the US is cultural resource management archaeology.

 

That means that if something like a cell phone tower, parking lot, highway, bridge expansion, highway being put down, whatever, will be put down in an area, by law an archaeology team will have to go to the site and investigate to see if there are any cultural resources (e.g. archaeological artifacts) at those sites and find ways to mitigate and protect the site, if possible. If that cannot be done, then all the cultural resources are collected and stored.

The cool archaeology that many people see on tv is academic archaeology. That's something I would love to do, but it requires a PhD. That'll be another six years of school and I'll almost be 40 by the time I'd get that done, if that's the path I chose to do. I still may choose to do that if I don't like cultural resources management.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:35 PM

55. That sounds very interesting

Even if you got a PhD and a tenure track job, you'd need to get grants to fund digs, and those are highly competitive.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:43 PM

56. They are.

 

But I think getting the tenured track job would be harder to get than the grants.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #56)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:45 PM

57. Possibly.

There are a lot of grants for junior faculty. The problem is digs are so costly that little of the available funding is adequate.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 01:11 AM

26. A very popular belief persists in the legitimacy of armed rebellion.

 

That is what keeps this insanity reigning supreme in this country.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 01:34 AM

28. K & R



etc. etc. etc................................................
........

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:10 PM

29. In contrast

How many children have been killed with guns in other countries in the developed world? My guess? Zero, or pretty close to it.

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Response to matt819 (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:18 PM

30. Yes, far far fewer

Our homicide rate is much higher, so it follow that rates of children killed with guns would likewise be much lower in other developed nations.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:29 PM

33. Bubba's deadly hobby

and the profits made off it are more important than your childrens' lives.

Just ask Congress.

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Response to moondust (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:26 PM

34. And the fat coffers of the NRA

funded by the gun industry to pay off pols to ensure the unfettered profits of the gun industry.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Sun Dec 15, 2013, 10:52 PM

37. thank you for sharing

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Response to napkinz (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 07:42 AM

39. That kind of common sense means Australia has saved lives

While in the US 32,000 people continue to die each other from guns, all because of the powerful, wealthy gun lobby and its backers.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:57 AM

41. +100

The wealthy gun lobby and its backers are directly responsible for the growing epidemic of gun violence in this country. They use the Big Lie (Democrats will take your guns) very effectively as a ruse to pass insane laws which allow the proliferation of guns on our streets, and free-fire killing zones disguised as SYG, and "self-defense" vigilantism as based on the NRA-scripted alibi of the killer (see Zimmerman).

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 02:26 PM

42. Rachel Maddow comment ...

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Response to napkinz (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 03:03 PM

44. I know. It's a basic reform yet so fiercely opposed

Colorado passed it and the NRA has gone full loaded after the state legislators who supported it. All they care about is profits from guns. Death is just an opportunity for the gun lobby to profit.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 03:15 PM

45. Colorado passed a law that is unenforceable

because they grandfathered in all existing magazines. Since magazines do not have serial numbers or date of manufacture stamps, it is impossible to tell a legal magazine from an illegal one.

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Response to napkinz (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 03:22 PM

46. Deers can't, but cops, the ATF and FBI can

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 06:23 PM

47. "Finish the Job" and Expand the Brady Law to Online and Gun Show Sales Now



"It's been 20 years since the Brady Law was passed. But 40% of gun sales still don't require a background check. Tell Congress to stop helping bad guys get guns."


http://www.bradycampaign.org/?q=finish-the-job









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Response to napkinz (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:34 PM

54. yep more

misinformation for low information people and I support background checks.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:28 PM

58. ask yourself why ...







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Response to napkinz (Reply #58)

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 08:57 PM

61. Those are murders

Guns actually kill 32,000 Americans every year.

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Response to BainsBane (Original post)

Tue Dec 17, 2013, 07:53 PM

59. two new graphics posted by "Americans Against The Republican Party"

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Response to napkinz (Reply #59)

Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:32 PM

60. Awesome!

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