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TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 04:47 AM Nov 2013

Obama Administration APPROVES Keystone XL Key Infrastructure Component.

Last edited Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:30 PM - Edit history (1)

If anyone is still under the delusion that the Keystone XL Pipeline will be stopped, they should seek medical attention.



This is a required phase of Keystone XL and will send millions of barrels of the 'dilbit' diluting fluid into Canada.



DID ANYONE THINK THAT INSIDER TRADING BY CONGRESS ON KXL WASN'T A SIGNAL?



DID ANYONE THINK THAT SCORES OF CONGRESS & THEIR STAFF INVESTING IN 2 DOZEN CANADIAN FIRMS WASN'T A SIGNAL?



http://my.firedoglake.com/stevehorn1022/2013/11/26/obama-approves-major-border-crossing-fracked-gas-pipeline-used-to-dilute-tar-sands/



KXL IS happening and Obama WILL FORMALLY APPROVE it!

Deal with it.

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Obama Administration APPROVES Keystone XL Key Infrastructure Component. (Original Post) TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 OP
I'm disappointed and disgusted... defacto7 Nov 2013 #1
Just follow the $$$$ trail warrant46 Nov 2013 #74
I am beyond disgusted newfie11 Nov 2013 #2
Maybe they think their kids/grand kids will be immune to the destruction or maybe they have an SammyWinstonJack Nov 2013 #33
This is the hard part, the part where we are suppose to just "get over it..." WCGreen Nov 2013 #3
Why not connect to a link that actually supports your OP pnwmom Nov 2013 #4
There are two pipelines... one to send the millions of barrels of diluter, the second to send dilbit TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #6
The dilbit doesn't have to come to the US. Canada needs energy, too, pnwmom Nov 2013 #72
What about existing bitumen pipelines? FogerRox Nov 2013 #77
I remember it. The one that flooded a neighborhood in Arkansas: freshwest Nov 2013 #89
Just in case you or others missed this story, here are more links: freshwest Nov 2013 #90
Exactly. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #14
He definitely would NOT have done it in his first two years Doctor_J Nov 2013 #109
No, he would have. AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #111
You're using an article you found in firedoglake madokie Nov 2013 #5
Why don't you take the time to click on the provided links within the article? n/t TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #7
I just went over there and can concur with you on that. nt AverageJoe90 Nov 2013 #15
Reported and seen by those who pay attention FogerRox Nov 2013 #78
Hm... Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #8
Both... he tacitly approved it, and will formally approve it. n/t TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #9
It can't be both. Either he's approved it or he hasn't. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #10
It's approved. We just haven't been told about it. TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #11
Prove it. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #12
Thanks, DI. Amazing how many believe this because they want to believe it... Hekate Nov 2013 #18
As a business executive who sees this tactic played out all the time... It will prove itself. TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #46
So, what you're saying is, you can't prove it. You made it up. Got it. Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #68
Whatever floats your boat. TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #70
Summers has been appointed by Obama to head the Fed grantcart Nov 2013 #101
and Obama's Social Security cuts arely staircase Nov 2013 #110
It's approved. The proof is the deafening silence from the interested corporations and MSM. GoneFishin Nov 2013 #36
oh, that tacitly trick again... Whisp Nov 2013 #47
Thoroughly disgusted. Not surprised one iota. woo me with science Nov 2013 #13
Um...KXL hasn't been approved. A bit reflexive aren't we? I mean, you took a post from a 500 post msanthrope Nov 2013 #20
Hardly reflexive, given the track record of this administration. woo me with science Nov 2013 #24
More ODS... SidDithers Nov 2013 #25
More empty snark. More vapid namecalling for those who talk about issues woo me with science Nov 2013 #27
It's all your endless ODS posts deserve...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #29
obviously the pipeline has been approved arely staircase Nov 2013 #30
Okay..you won the thread with that! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #31
+1 JoePhilly Nov 2013 #38
The sweaters really sent you over the edge, didn't they? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #32
What's the 'sweaters' thread? If it causes that one so much heartburn, I gotta see it! Number23 Nov 2013 #85
Don't tell me that Obama wore a sweater in the Oval Office or something like that! NYC_SKP Nov 2013 #88
Here is the President, taunting homeless children with sweaters.... msanthrope Nov 2013 #102
I'd face palm but anyone surprised by that person's reaction to such an innocent OP Number23 Nov 2013 #107
It's now funny---sad, too, but pretty funny. I'm hoping Hillary Clinton runs just to liven up the msanthrope Nov 2013 #108
This is exactly what I was thinking, but rusty fender Nov 2013 #65
One Post, 500 or 20,000. If it's valid... it's valid. TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #44
so.. your evidence that it has been approved is that there is NO evidence? scheming daemons Nov 2013 #92
It still ain't valid. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #103
This article is NOT about Keystone XL - not one tiny bit. ConcernedCanuk Nov 2013 #16
EXTREMELY misleading post. Admin has NOT Approved Keystone berni_mccoy Nov 2013 #17
If the President relents and approves KXL Enthusiast Nov 2013 #19
I thought the ACA roll-out was going to destroy his legacy. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #39
Joe, it was war with Iran, get it straight. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #41
You didn't address my concerns which are about Enthusiast Nov 2013 #42
My point is that every week there is a new THING that will destroy Obama's legacy. JoePhilly Nov 2013 #43
It's a new week. This will last until he makes war on Xmas again. freshwest Nov 2013 #93
Your OP title is bullshit demwing Nov 2013 #21
... SidDithers Nov 2013 #22
Whew... ancianita Nov 2013 #23
so he WILL approve it because he HAS approved it? arely staircase Nov 2013 #26
Ummmm No. Not one thing you posted is based on facts. giftedgirl77 Nov 2013 #28
"OBAMA" BOMBS SYRIA AND IRAN!!11!111!1!!! BumRushDaShow Nov 2013 #34
Obama also cut Social Security like 15 times now too! JoePhilly Nov 2013 #40
Why, why, why doesn't he just do it already? The suspense is killing me! But about that oil... freshwest Nov 2013 #99
Good one AZ Progressive Nov 2013 #87
Just following Albert Einstein's saying: freshwest Nov 2013 #94
Nice try, you and FDL, but no. nt babylonsister Nov 2013 #35
I love that recs are now transparent... SidDithers Nov 2013 #37
Now we need an open Flag list, after the vote transpires, to see who chronically flags posts. TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #69
I think bullshit supposition like the OP should be suppressed...nt SidDithers Nov 2013 #75
Exactly. Haters will latch on to anything Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Nov 2013 #95
I smell a witch. randome Nov 2013 #45
Since when is lying allowed on DU? demwing Nov 2013 #48
As someone in business who sees this tactic played out all of the time... TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #50
Don't mistake my post, you may ulitmately be right demwing Nov 2013 #76
Headline meant to mislead. This should be locked or juried. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #49
No, the headline is to wake you up to the prospect that the final decision was made... TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #55
No. The decision has not been made by the President, but by You. Whisp Nov 2013 #56
There, I've updated the title. TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #57
Well, there you go. Thanks. n/t Whisp Nov 2013 #58
You claim '...there are NO other pipelines on the books besides KXL... What is Canada doing then?' freshwest Nov 2013 #96
Went to jury. narnian60 Nov 2013 #66
Booooooo. Try reality sometime Jane. nt tridim Nov 2013 #51
President Obama has NOT "officially" approved the Keystone Pipeline, bvar22 Nov 2013 #52
Your track record predictiing Obamadoom is 0%. Just sayin. nt tridim Nov 2013 #54
And your track record of using "made up" statistics and Logical Fallacies... bvar22 Nov 2013 #61
Oops! My Bad! bvar22 Nov 2013 #63
Yep - on all counts. polichick Nov 2013 #59
FDL writes anti-Obama article! and Lies! jazzimov Nov 2013 #53
well it is coming up to midterm time. Whisp Nov 2013 #60
It'll keep on for nearly a year. It makes me sick. How many will be fooled? freshwest Nov 2013 #97
How about posting reliable sources..good grief.... chillfactor Nov 2013 #62
The links within the article seem legit. Even FOX is right from time to time. TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #64
Link to State Dept Cochin pipeline approval FogerRox Nov 2013 #79
For those concerned with FDL as a source... TheBlackAdder Nov 2013 #67
See my other comment with links, heres the State Dept link FogerRox Nov 2013 #80
Gee, who woulda' ever thunk a Democratic president would approve such a titanic indepat Nov 2013 #71
He hasn't. The OP refers to a completely different pipeline. pnwmom Nov 2013 #73
95k bpd of NGC dilutant, I wonder what its used for? FogerRox Nov 2013 #81
So? Canada needs energy and so do other countries. pnwmom Nov 2013 #82
Whats the main use of NGC in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta? FogerRox Nov 2013 #83
We are NEVER going to have a say in anything or be represented UNTIL this corporate coup is stopped. mother earth Nov 2013 #84
wow. blatant lie in the OP. yet it stands on DU. scheming daemons Nov 2013 #91
No it doesn't. It's just more Segretti politics in the media. Expect more for the next 11 months. freshwest Nov 2013 #98
It used to not be allowed... SidDithers Nov 2013 #104
The argument is more than plausible.The current edit is reasonable. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #105
Agreed. FogerRox Nov 2013 #106
This is a pretty deceptive post you made. AuntFester Nov 2013 #100

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
2. I am beyond disgusted
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:03 AM
Nov 2013

I had slim hopes he would not approve it. For gods sakes he has two daughters facing the future on this planet.
I guess I was wrong.
Where do the idiots think their kids/grand kids will live!

SammyWinstonJack

(44,129 posts)
33. Maybe they think their kids/grand kids will be immune to the destruction or maybe they have an
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 09:53 AM
Nov 2013

escape plan or maybe they just don't give a crap?

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
3. This is the hard part, the part where we are suppose to just "get over it..."
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:06 AM
Nov 2013

And there is good reason, they say.

You have to be the commander in chief to all the people not just those who voted or donated to the campaign.

You have to be the Chief Officer for all the people and not just those who voted or donated to the campaign.

The problem I have is that the rhetoric is always addressed to the left of center while at the same time promises are made to the money interests on the down low. That way, after the election, the rubes take it on the chin and the money men reap all the returns.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
4. Why not connect to a link that actually supports your OP
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:11 AM
Nov 2013

instead of one that is about a whole different pipeline?

Probably because you don't have one.

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
6. There are two pipelines... one to send the millions of barrels of diluter, the second to send dilbit
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:37 AM
Nov 2013

What's the point of sending up millions of barrels of diluter when the dilbit has no where to go?

The money is already invested, the processes are being put in place, the final decision is made.

It's in the implementation phase.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
72. The dilbit doesn't have to come to the US. Canada needs energy, too,
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:55 PM
Nov 2013

and it can import its fracking products to any country that will take them.

Even your article comes with a disclaimer:


"While the industry press coverage sounds optimistic, it doesn’t account for the concurrent rise of public opposition to dirty energy pipelines and expansion plans in the fracking and tar sands arenas, so only time will tell the fate of Cochin and its kin."


FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
77. What about existing bitumen pipelines?
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 06:32 PM
Nov 2013

That need NGC shipped from the Gulf Coast to Alberta........ Today shipped by rail.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
89. I remember it. The one that flooded a neighborhood in Arkansas:
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:31 AM
Nov 2013
6 Things You Need to Know About the Arkansas Oil Spill

***SNIP

1. Not Your Average Crude

InsideClimate News reported shortly after the spill that an Exxon official confirmed the pipeline was "transporting a heavy form of crude from the Canadian tar sands region." Specifically, it has been identified as Wabasca Heavy, Lisa Song writes, "which is a type of diluted bitumen, or dilbit, from Alberta's tar sands region" although you won't hear any Exxon folks calling it tar sands.

***SNIP

2. Not Your Average Pipeline

The Pegasus pipeline running more than 850 miles between Patoka, Illinois and Nederland, Texas, is 20 inches in diameter and was built in the 1940s to carry crude from Texas to Illinois. But in 2006 the flow was reversed in order to carry Canadian tar sands to Texas. As Ben Jervey wrote for DeSmog blog, the flow was reversed to "help relieve the tar sands crude bottleneck in Cushing, Oklahoma. (The same reason given by proponents for the construction of Keystone XL.)"

***SNIP


3. Tax Exempt?

Who's footing the bill for the cleanup? The government has an Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund that companies which transport oil must pay into. But, as it turns out, the bitumen that Exxon was transporting in its pipeline isn't oil by government standards. Erin O'Sullivan writes for Oil Change International:

In a January 2011 memorandum, the IRS determined that to generate revenues for the oil spill trust fund, Congress only intended to tax conventional crude, and not tar sands or other unconventional oils. This exemption remains to this day, even though the United States moves billions of gallons of tar sands crude through its pipeline system every year. The trust fund is liable for tar sands oil spill cleanups without collecting any revenue from tar sands transport. If the fund goes broke, the American taxpayer foots the cleanup bill.


http://www.alternet.org/environment/6-things-you-need-know-about-arkansas-oil-spill

to xchrom:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022612650

One of the claims made at the time of the spill was that the Keystone pipeline was to replace this one which is 30 years old and likely to leak. It's been going through for longer than some think.
 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
14. Exactly.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 06:34 AM
Nov 2013

I'm no big fan of the other projects, either, but unless some sort of reverse-divine shit happens, or some sort of conspiracy, maybe, Obama won't be approving KXL at this point; if he was really intent on this, he would have done so already, probably in his first two years in office.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
109. He definitely would NOT have done it in his first two years
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 05:34 PM
Nov 2013

he was still pretending to be a liberal, or at least a Dem, to get re-elected and finish off the party and the country. The gloves are off now.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
111. No, he would have.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 05:53 PM
Nov 2013

TBH, as much as many of us don't like KXL, the truth is, is that it's not nearly as much of an issue with voters as a whole as women's rights, progressive economic reform(such as raising of the min. wage, for example), etc. Obama probably wouldn't have lost many voters if he had, so if he was really totally in favor of it, we'd have had it entirely in place by now. And yet, he's been extremely hesitant thus far.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
5. You're using an article you found in firedoglake
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:14 AM
Nov 2013

I wouldn't believe anything I read in there if my life depended on it.
You can bet you ass if its on that site theres more not truth in the story than there is truth.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
78. Reported and seen by those who pay attention
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 06:47 PM
Nov 2013

Vancouver Observer
http://www.vancouverobserver.com/environment/obama-approves-kinder-morgans-cochin-pipeline-expansion

AS well as the IB Times
http://www.ibtimes.com/keystone-pipeline-update-obama-approves-new-cross-border-pipeline-benefiting-canadian-oil-sand


A google search yields some results

https://www.google.com/search?q=Obama+approves+border-crossing+fracked+gas+pipeline+used+to+dilute+tar+sands&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs

Then theres the website of the US State Dept

http://www.state.gov/e/enr/applicant/applicants/217905.htm

PRESIDENTIAL PERMIT



AUTHORIZING KINDER MORGAN COCHIN, LLC

TO CONNECT, OPERATE, AND MAINTAIN PIPELINE FACILITIES AT THE INTERNATIONAL BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
8. Hm...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:47 AM
Nov 2013
Obama Administration APPROVES Keystone XL


then...

KXL IS happening and Obama WILL APPROVE it!


So, which is it?
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
10. It can't be both. Either he's approved it or he hasn't.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:53 AM
Nov 2013

Stop lying or prove the statement he approved it. Thanks!

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
11. It's approved. We just haven't been told about it.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 05:55 AM
Nov 2013

You can keep your head in the sand, or based on your handle, the bottle, but it's going through.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
12. Prove it.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 06:04 AM
Nov 2013

Don't come over here and lie and tell me something that isn't fact and then insult me because you can't back up your claim. It's easy - if it's been approved, as you've said, provide the evidence of it or stop lying.

Hekate

(90,206 posts)
18. Thanks, DI. Amazing how many believe this because they want to believe it...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:11 AM
Nov 2013

... Having made up their minds already. Why? The environmental betrayal that has not happened is just another version of the many causes that have not not not been thrown under the bus, despite repeated claims of tread marks and axle grease in the hair.

It's baffling beyond words.

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
46. As a business executive who sees this tactic played out all the time... It will prove itself.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:53 PM
Nov 2013

Just keep your head in the sand, pretending that everything is OK.

Just don't act surprised when you hear the 11th hour announcement.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
101. Summers has been appointed by Obama to head the Fed
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 06:48 AM
Nov 2013

You Better Believe It,


Cause belief is all they got.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
36. It's approved. The proof is the deafening silence from the interested corporations and MSM.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:41 PM
Nov 2013

If there were any possibility that the pipeline would not be approved there would be a PR blitz to sway public opinion. But instead, nada. You are right. It has been approved. They just don't have to balls to announce it publicly. It is exactly the same PR approach as with TPP. They keep it secret because they don't have the balls to take the heat from the public. They know that as long as they don't confirm it publicly that we will be chasing ghosts and have a divided camp, as illustrated by the contemptuous comments here.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
20. Um...KXL hasn't been approved. A bit reflexive aren't we? I mean, you took a post from a 500 post
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:51 AM
Nov 2013

on a different pipeline and didn't bother to read the article.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
24. Hardly reflexive, given the track record of this administration.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 08:17 AM
Nov 2013

But then, you know that.

Look. Homelessness among American schoolchildren up 10 percent since last year: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024107748

But we get posts about the President's pretty sweaters.

What has our President been working on? What are his priorities? A budget with Social Security cuts. The predatory TPP. And Keystone.

There is no plan to help the 99 percent, because corporations own this government and this administration. There is no plan to help the 99 percent, because there is no intent to help the 99 percent.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
27. More empty snark. More vapid namecalling for those who talk about issues
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 08:24 AM
Nov 2013

rather than sweaters.

Where is the plan to help the 99 percent? Where is it?

1.200.000 homeless students, up 10% for the year, 72% since the start of the crisis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024107748


Why is the President instead aggressively pushing the TPP and other policies that will drive Americans deeper into poverty and despair?

Secretive Corporate Deal in the Works Could Establish Special Closed Door Courts for Big Business
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024107835

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
30. obviously the pipeline has been approved
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 09:35 AM
Nov 2013

The president is already celebrating by taunting homeless children with sweaters.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
88. Don't tell me that Obama wore a sweater in the Oval Office or something like that!
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 02:51 AM
Nov 2013

Who does he think he is, JFK???



(hint to what I guess is the concern... )

Number23

(24,544 posts)
107. I'd face palm but anyone surprised by that person's reaction to such an innocent OP
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 05:18 PM
Nov 2013

hasn't been paying attention to ANY of that person's posts. Come to think of it, ignoring that person's posts is probably the sanest thing anybody could do here.

Someone should create a sweater smiley or avatar just to torment the apparently easily tormented chap. An ugly sweater, no an ugly CHRISTMAS sweater would probably knock him out completely.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
108. It's now funny---sad, too, but pretty funny. I'm hoping Hillary Clinton runs just to liven up the
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 05:25 PM
Nov 2013

place a little. We should start a betting pool on which one flames out first.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
65. This is exactly what I was thinking, but
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:53 PM
Nov 2013

could not find the words to express it.

This is not a personal attack on Obama, but he is a politician. He is not a statesman, he is not courageous. He is a politician. He shovels out mashed potatoes on Thanksgiving because he is a politician, not because he cares.

We tend to put all our stock into who is POTUS, but in our system, the Prez can only do what our crony-capitalist system allows him to do. Even if Obama wanted to do everything that we on the left want him to do, he couldn't do it.

Our system is corrupt. Change will come only from totally dismantling it.

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
44. One Post, 500 or 20,000. If it's valid... it's valid.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:48 PM
Nov 2013

Don't try to discredit my post because I only have posted 500 items.

I am a corporate executive, am a single parent, and going back to college for continuing education.

If I was afforded the luxury of not being productive and hanging out on the boards all day, I'd have 20,000 posts too.

===

Now, as a business executive, one of the tricks management plays is the old "Business As Usual" trick on the employees until the last day they are legally required to disclose a matter to the workforce.

Yes, the deafening silence is bothersome... because that's exactly how any business executive would play it.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
92. so.. your evidence that it has been approved is that there is NO evidence?
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:50 AM
Nov 2013

Wow.

You are a businessman?

Doubt it.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
16. This article is NOT about Keystone XL - not one tiny bit.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:00 AM
Nov 2013

.
.
.

From your own link in the OP

"Although TransCanada’s Keystone XL tar sands pipeline has received the lion’s share of media attention, another key border-crossing pipeline benefitting tar sands producers was approved on November 19 by the U.S. State Department.

Enter Cochin, Kinder Morgan’s 1,900-mile proposed pipeline to transport gas produced via the controversial hydraulic fracturing (“fracking”) of the Eagle Ford Shale basin in Texas north through Kankakee, Illinois, and eventually into Alberta, Canada, the home of the tar sands.
____________________________________________________________________________________________

Whether or not these pipelines get approval - they still have many hurdles - expropriating land for one thing.

But what a crock -

" Obama WILL FORMALLY APPROVE it ".

I repeat, this article is not about Keystone XL

more from lnk:

Like Keystone XL, the pipeline proposal requires U.S. State Department approval because it crosses the U.S.-Canada border. Unlike Keystone XL – which would carry diluted tar sands diluted bitumen (“dilbit”) south to the Gulf Coast – Kinder Morgan’s Cochin pipeline would carry the gas condensate (diluent) used to dilute the bitumen north to the tar sands.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

"Kinder Morgan’s Cochin pipeline " - get it?

Kinder Morgan’s Cochin pipeline

that's what this article is about - the references to Keystone XL are just attention grabbers.

sheesh!



CC

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
17. EXTREMELY misleading post. Admin has NOT Approved Keystone
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:11 AM
Nov 2013

This article only mentions Keystone. The article is about something else entirely.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
19. If the President relents and approves KXL
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:42 AM
Nov 2013

it will destroy his legacy.

Because, believe me, people in the future will blame those that stood by and did nothing to curb pollution and C02 emissions in the early 21st Century, when we still had time to do something.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
39. I thought the ACA roll-out was going to destroy his legacy.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:48 PM
Nov 2013

No wait ... that's so last week.

It was the endless war in Syria that was going to destroy his legacy.

Wait ... it was all of the times he's cut Social Security, THAT was going to destroy his legacy.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
41. Joe, it was war with Iran, get it straight.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:23 PM
Nov 2013

And if wasn't for that damn Kerry and those meddlesome kids, Old Man Barack would have got away with it, too!

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
42. You didn't address my concerns which are about
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:24 PM
Nov 2013

more than the President's legacy. It's about climate change and the continued reliance on dirty energy.

And who said anything about the ACA destroying the President's legacy besides Republicans? I sure didn't say it.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
43. My point is that every week there is a new THING that will destroy Obama's legacy.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:47 PM
Nov 2013

And usually, its a thing that didn't happen yet.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
93. It's a new week. This will last until he makes war on Xmas again.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:58 AM
Nov 2013


Since Christmas trees are pagan symbols. Surely, Faux News will give us all the sordid details. Stay tuned for the next horror.



arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
26. so he WILL approve it because he HAS approved it?
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 08:21 AM
Nov 2013

This is self contradictory nonsense.

More crap from Liardogfake.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
28. Ummmm No. Not one thing you posted is based on facts.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 08:30 AM
Nov 2013

Do you have anything at all to substantiate these allegations or are going to continue with this nonsense?

BumRushDaShow

(127,346 posts)
34. "OBAMA" BOMBS SYRIA AND IRAN!!11!111!1!!!
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 09:56 AM
Nov 2013

"Obama" appoints Larry Summers to the Fed!!11!!!!!
"Obama" keeps the Bush tax cuts in place!!!11!!!111!
"Obama" keeps combat troops in Iraq war!!111!!!11!!!!
"Obama" keeps "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" in place!!1!!!!11!!111!

Seems some on DU have joined the Clint Eastwood universe that talks to an empty chair with "an Obama" in it.





freshwest

(53,661 posts)
99. Why, why, why doesn't he just do it already? The suspense is killing me! But about that oil...
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 05:03 AM
Nov 2013


Now we know. Or think we do...


AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
87. Good one
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 02:32 AM
Nov 2013

I've learned to take such claims of Obama with a grain of salt. A lot of attention seekers and pot stirrers out there.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
94. Just following Albert Einstein's saying:
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 04:08 AM
Nov 2013
Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.

~ Albert Einstein

Although the prophecies quoted here have the same success rate as those of Pat Robertson.

Just sayin'

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
37. I love that recs are now transparent...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 12:45 PM
Nov 2013

so we can all see who has no problem supporting a pile of horseshit like this thread.



Sid

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
69. Now we need an open Flag list, after the vote transpires, to see who chronically flags posts.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:26 PM
Nov 2013

It would ne nice to see if people are taking the role of moderator a bit too seriously...

Or, if those people are trying to push an agenda that suppresses certain posters or topics.

Response to SidDithers (Reply #37)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
45. I smell a witch.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 01:50 PM
Nov 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
48. Since when is lying allowed on DU?
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:09 PM
Nov 2013
Original title of the article you posted:
"Obama Approves Major Border-Crossing Fracked Gas Pipeline Used to Dilute Tar Sands"

Subject of the article you posted:
A proposed border crossing pipeline for Kinder Morgan Cochin, LLC/

Times Keystone is mentioned in the article:
3. Once stating that both pipelines cross the Canada border, once stating that (unlike Keystone) the Kinder Morgan Cochin pipeline will not carry tar sands, and once at the very beginning, making sure that the reader is aware that this article is not about Keystone.

So how do you account for your blatant falsehoods? Why is bald-faced lying encouraged on DU?

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
50. As someone in business who sees this tactic played out all of the time...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:17 PM
Nov 2013

The chess pieces are being put into place.

It's just a matter of time before the final switch is pulled, probably after the 2014 elections.

It is true, they are NOT carrying tar sands... they are carrying the diluter needed to dilute the tar sands so they will flow though a pipeline. Gee, what pipeline could that be? I know of no other pipeline on the books besides KXL. Do you?

===

Go ahead and display faux anger at what I have posted.

The title is not 100% accurate, but the contents are, which signal validity to the title.

===

So, what is Canada going to do with millions of barrels of dilbit diluter if they have no place to send it?

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
76. Don't mistake my post, you may ulitmately be right
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 06:19 PM
Nov 2013

but acting as if the issue were history is not honest, and inflammatory.

Call it faux anger if it helps you deal with it, I don't care.

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
55. No, the headline is to wake you up to the prospect that the final decision was made...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

just not published.

If you can't see that millions of barrels of dilbit diluter is being shipped to Canada to make the tar sands flow though a pipe, yet there are NO other pipelines on the books besides KXL... What is Canada doing then?

If you can't accept that there was a backroom deal made to push forward with KXL, then don't post about TPP either, as that's a backroom deal too.

===

Displace your anger at what I've posted and try to hide it.

It won't change the direction things are going.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
56. No. The decision has not been made by the President, but by You.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:27 PM
Nov 2013

and what you think he will do. You may be right, you may be wrong and time will tell.

But for now, the Headline is a Lie.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
96. You claim '...there are NO other pipelines on the books besides KXL... What is Canada doing then?'
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 04:28 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Just a brief slice of the history of Canadian tar sand - bitumen -dilbit pipelines that are already in existance:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024107740#post89

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024107740#post90

You cannot prove that the discussions are not about an already deteriorating pipeline that has been in operation for decades. It is supposition and not even logical to assume there isn't anything else on the books.

Why make such a claim?

As far as 'What is Canada doing?'

Isn't that obvious?

They are doing what they have done for decades. They are selling their resource, and these mixtures have been flowing throught the USA for decades, per the articles I linked but you didn't comment on.

Canada and Mexico are the two countries we import the most oil from and have for decades. There is nothing new going on here. The infrastructure is there, and this entire country is criss crossed with pipelines of all kinds and always has been.

Not that I like it, and have more than once protested new ones. There is nothing wrong with that, but there is something wrong with wholesale disregarding the facts to make a smear based on opinion that doesn't meet the test of logic or history or facts.

To ignore what is already in place, in order to make the accusation you are making, is not credible.

JMHO. Good luck on your next OP.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
52. President Obama has NOT "officially" approved the Keystone Pipeline,
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:20 PM
Nov 2013

...but there is nothing in his track record to indicate that he will not do so.

Someone has certainly given the approval for the pipeline to the corporations involved
because they are still building it.

"Timing" is a necessary element for good Kabuki Theater.
The peasants will be told about it when it suits our overlords to tell us....or not.
It is possible that the Pipeline could be completed without an official announcement,
only the secret backroom approval of the administration.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
61. And your track record of using "made up" statistics and Logical Fallacies...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:38 PM
Nov 2013

....as a substitute for legitimate, rational debate remains unblemished.


The Ad Hominem Logical Fallacy

"An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps.

First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting).

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html




You will know them by their WORKS.
 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
60. well it is coming up to midterm time.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:33 PM
Nov 2013

that's when the Janies at FDL like to come out and play havoc for the democrats. 2010 was riddled with Hamsters Going Wild.

*spits.

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
64. The links within the article seem legit. Even FOX is right from time to time.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 02:43 PM
Nov 2013

Does that mean you discount everything FOX puts out too?

TheBlackAdder

(28,078 posts)
67. For those concerned with FDL as a source...
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:12 PM
Nov 2013

For those who have a problem with Firedoglake...


Daily Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/26/1258647/-Obama-Approves-Major-Border-Crossing-Fracked-Gas-Pipeline-Used-to-Dilute-Tar-Sands


===


Motley Fool:

http://www.fool.ca/2013/11/28/oil-sands-105-what-is-diluent-and-why-is-it-important/

snip...

Bottom line, ample supply of diluent is critical to getting Canada’s oil out via major pipelines. This includes current export pipelines like those from TransCanada (TSX: TRP) (NYSE: TRP) which currently handles a third of Canadian oil exports, as well as future projects like its Keystone XL and Energy East or Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain Pipeline expansion. Diluent coming into Canada means diluted bitumen can flow back out of the country.

...snip



indepat

(20,899 posts)
71. Gee, who woulda' ever thunk a Democratic president would approve such a titanic
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:43 PM
Nov 2013

environmental and ecological disaster that solely benefits the 1% and especially the frikkin' Kochk bros?

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
73. He hasn't. The OP refers to a completely different pipeline.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 03:58 PM
Nov 2013

And makes a leap in logic to decide that this will mean approval of Keystone.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
82. So? Canada needs energy and so do other countries.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:16 PM
Nov 2013

This doesn't prove anything about the Keystone pipeline.

FogerRox

(13,211 posts)
83. Whats the main use of NGC in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta?
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:41 PM
Nov 2013

The existing Trans Mountain pipeline needs dilutant, and that pipeline is close to being doubled, which doubles the need for dilutant.

Since Cochin only needs reversal, its expected to be in operation in June of 2014.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
84. We are NEVER going to have a say in anything or be represented UNTIL this corporate coup is stopped.
Fri Nov 29, 2013, 07:46 PM
Nov 2013

There's only a façade of democracy until then, our gov't has been rendered dysfunctional and serves only monied interests.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
91. wow. blatant lie in the OP. yet it stands on DU.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:41 AM
Nov 2013

This thread violates the terms of service for the site.

Posting blatant untruths about Democrats, including the president, is not allowed.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
98. No it doesn't. It's just more Segretti politics in the media. Expect more for the next 11 months.
Sat Nov 30, 2013, 04:34 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sat Nov 30, 2013, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

The OP won't respond to history, general knowledge of how the business works, facts disputing nor to the lack of logic in claims. A discusion isn't the point of the OP.

Skinner says: 'You own what you post.' Allow the smear to stand. The reputation being earned on this thread is the punishment meted out at DU.

Let it go.


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