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Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:41 PM

Ok... time for a dumb question.

What is this "I will never apologize for being American" phrase.

I know in a literal sense what it means. I just don't get the hidden message in it... or maybe I think I know... etc, etc... I do feel it will be something childish. I hope you understand where this is going. Who is asking for apologies?

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Reply Ok... time for a dumb question. (Original post)
Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 OP
deutsey Mar 2012 #1
hobbit709 Mar 2012 #11
deutsey Mar 2012 #23
Politicalboi Mar 2012 #2
sadbear Mar 2012 #6
oldhippydude Mar 2012 #3
DearAbby Mar 2012 #4
Jamaal510 Mar 2012 #7
DearAbby Mar 2012 #9
Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #20
patrice Mar 2012 #5
pipoman Mar 2012 #12
patrice Mar 2012 #19
Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #8
pipoman Mar 2012 #13
libtodeath Mar 2012 #10
pipoman Mar 2012 #14
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #15
libtodeath Mar 2012 #18
nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #16
treestar Mar 2012 #17
HopeHoops Mar 2012 #21
mick063 Mar 2012 #22
Major Nikon Mar 2012 #24

Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:46 PM

1. My country right or wrong?

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Response to deutsey (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 07:47 AM

11. No one ever gives the complete quote that it comes from

they always leave out "May she always be in the right"

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #11)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:56 PM

23. "May"? That's too ambiguous for today's all-or-nothing rightwinger. n/t

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:47 PM

2. It's a dig at Obama

Since he has apologized a few times, they think he bows to everyone. They are trying to make him look weak.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:51 PM

6. And his "apologies" are a dig at bush

I mean fuck all if a sitting president has to go around the world to apologize for what a fucking disaster his predecessor left in his wake.

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:31 PM

3. the right wingers paint both the President and the First Lady as being apologists..

in the 08 primarys for instance Michelle made the coment that this was the first time she had been this proud of the U.S... (funny me as an old white guy felt the same way) the right wingers labled her as a traitor.. the old "love it or leave it " meme from the 60's

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:34 PM

4. The Right feels Obama apologizes too much

In other words an Appeaser.

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Response to DearAbby (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:39 AM

7. "Ask Osama Bin Laden" -Barack Obama

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 01:00 AM

9. lol yah

I bet he could tell a different tale....oh wait!

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Response to DearAbby (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:15 AM

20. Ditto. It's a criticism of Pres. Obama, the so-called apologizer. nt

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:40 PM

5. War on an innocent sovereign nation, Iraq + International hedge funds with toxic derivatives in them

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Response to patrice (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:09 AM

12. I may not agree with the Iraq war

but would never describe them as "innocent".

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Response to pipoman (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 09:13 AM

19. They had nothing to do with 9/11. & You could never describe U.S. as innocent either. nt

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 12:54 AM

8. Thanks for the replies.

What is so bad about apologizing? To know when to apologize is to show strength of character.

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:11 AM

13. Maybe in some instances and cultures

in many other cultures it is interpreted as weakness..

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 07:42 AM

10. All part of their american exceptionalism

bull shit,the idea that we are better then everyone else.
Maybe if you take out the fact that we slaughtered the Native Americans when we came here,held blacks as slaves,have started several imperialist wars for profiteers,allow millions to live without food and shelter and then die without medical care,keep the average person in daily stress of paying bills,allow no future that does not enrich the 1% then yeah we are pretty good.

We should have looked into our collective souls (what FDR through LBJ did) after that monster raygun destroyed the back bone of this country and apologized to the world for that mistake once and for all and let it be the shame to this country as his Nazi beliefs are to Germany today.

When I think of the fact that bastard stole the 1980 election and where we could be if only President Carter was allowed to finish what he started...

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #10)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:13 AM

14. Or maybe

denial or refusal to actually look at the histories of virtually every other nation on the planet with the same glasses we look at our own nation. Just for starters study up on the British empire sometime..no imperialism there...noooo

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Response to pipoman (Reply #14)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:22 AM

15. And a few older Brits, who still remember the glory

Cling to the idea of how special the country is... It's part and parcel of the imperial credo. Sometimes the language changes, see Spain and Portugal, or the Netherlands, did I mention Rome.

Hell, read Euripides's funeral oration...the theme is right there.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #15)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:56 AM

18. Never thought of it that way

god save the queen and stuff like that.

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:23 AM

16. It's not a dumb question

It's part and parcel of the imperial credo.

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 08:47 AM

17. Used by nationalists when they know there is some question

IOW, they know that America has done some bad things. Otherwise, they wouldn't preface it that way.

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 10:57 AM

21. It could be a Dixie Chicks reference. It doesn't make sense either way.

 

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 11:05 AM

22. Not a dumb question.

 

There are currently two visions for America.

"I will never apologize for being American" actually means "I will never apologize for my vision of America".

The "vision part" is initially left out because there isn't room for any other vision.

In other words, the phrase in question is "dog whistle" for "My way or the highway."

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Response to Lost-in-FL (Original post)

Sat Mar 10, 2012, 11:28 PM

24. It's a catch phrase for dichotomous thinking dipshits

Goes hand in hand with ...

"Love it or leave it"

and

“You are either with us or against us.”

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