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Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:34 AM

My GOD, the GOP is getting bold in their assault on Obama and Obmacare...

G.O.P. Maps Out Waves of Attacks Over Health Law

WASHINGTON — The memo distributed to House Republicans this week was concise and blunt, listing talking points and marching orders: “Because of Obamacare, I Lost My Insurance.” “Obamacare Increases Health Care Costs.” “The Exchanges May Not Be Secure, Putting Personal Information at Risk.” “Continue Collecting Constituent Stories.”

The document, the product of a series of closed-door strategy sessions that began in mid-October, is part of an increasingly organized Republican attack on the Affordable Care Act, President Obama’s signature legislative initiative. Republican strategists say that over the next several months, they intend to keep Democrats on their heels through a multilayered, sequenced assault.

The idea is to gather stories of people affected by the health care law — through social media, letters from constituents, or meetings during visits back home — and use them to open a line of attack, keep it going until it enters the public discourse and forces a response, then quickly pivot to the next topic.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/21/us/politics/gop-maps-out-waves-of-attacks-over-health-law.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131121&_r=0

Waves of attacks? They literally are waging war on Obama!



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Reply My GOD, the GOP is getting bold in their assault on Obama and Obmacare... (Original post)
liberal N proud Nov 2013 OP
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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:48 AM

1. This is what they get for pussyfooting around with these hard liners.

2009. 2009. 2009. The last chance to reclaim the country for the People and it was blown by cowtowing and rolling over in the name of "reaching out" and "bipartisanship". Fools, cowards and sellouts!

The Democratic Party should have rolled those motherfuckers they way the did us all during the Chimperor's reign. Instead, as usual, the played the part of the beaten dog that still licks the master's hand.

This type of scorched earth politics will work for the GOP. They're going to win because people are stupid and they are ruthless. They'll refuse to pass anything of significance, call the entire eight years a failure and they'll be right. Not because they didn't sabotage the country but because this party is too weak and bought off to prevent it.

I am beyond disgusted.

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:50 AM

2. +infinity!!!!!!

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:01 AM

6. You're absolutely right.

The GOP strategy is to never let up on the attack when they see weakness in the opponent. We could learn a lot from them about tactics, but we won't. Our pols will start crying and capitulate like they always do. I really have trouble believing most of the party really cares about us. If they did, they would fight, and they don't.

We never have the upper hand for long. For the party to be this unsuccessful and lose so many battles, it's pretty obvious to me that we are being sabotaged from within. I can come to no other conclusion when, time after time, we don't speak up and tell the truth about the other side. They couldn't win so often if we didn't refuse to fight back. Something's got to give, because I'm just about done with them.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:49 AM

12. I agree

It seems to be their strategy to attack and weaken and never let the president have firm footing. The bad part is that he has weak kneed allies in congress. Thank God for EW.

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Response to angry citizen (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:00 AM

25. So why isn't anyone talking about the FACT that the Republi-CONS have fought

tooth and nail from the inception of this law to stop it, Tried to delay it at every turn, voted to repeal it (45 times),Fought it all the way to the Supreme Court, the Repuke governors have refused to set up exchanges in their states forcing the federal government to do the work instead, The heads of the insurance companies (mostly repukes) have been lying about the policies available on the exchange and gouging their customers, the congress has refused to fund the ACA, and now these same Repuke congressmen are SHOCKED, SHOCKED I TELL YOU, that the roll out has had such problems.

The President should have done a better job anticipating our obstructionism, so the only thing to do is scrap this law and start over.

What a bunch of BUll Sh#T, are Americans so duped and dumb that they cant see through this?

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Response to angry citizen (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:27 PM

65. I must point out to you that it was Obama who demanded the Democrats always 'stand down' and turn

the cheek no matter what the Repugnants did.

IT has been Obama who was always offering compromises to the Rabid Right even before any negotiations of a settlement (whatever the issue) began. (re the ACA he preemptively dropped the Public Option - to the shock and dismay of most Democrats who had been fighting the fight for the ACA. This instills confusion and dismay among the troops)

This has frustrated the hell out of many democrats. But when they spoke up in dissent about the placating and ingratiating behavior - Obama showed far more willingness to express anger at the Democrats for voicing their opinion than he ever has shown for responding appropriately to the pestilence in D.C - the GOP.

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Response to Bill USA (Reply #65)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:54 PM

78. Absolute bullcrap. "Obama demanded the Democrats always "stand down".." Nothing but lies. nt

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:51 AM

13. Except you neglect to mention one important fact

The M$M supports the Repubs, they fuel the flames. There are a lot more good stories from people regarding Obamacare than bad stories, one wouldn't know that from hearing the M$M. Support will eventually come from the people, the M$M will be forced to report the truth. When poor people in red states see poor people in blue states getting health care, the tide will turn, and badly for the Repubs.

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Response to watoos (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:12 AM

31. I agree about the M$M, of course..

but I think I have to disagree with.." Support will eventually come from the people, the M$M will be forced to report the truth. When poor people in red states see poor people in blue states getting health care, the tide will turn, and badly for the Repubs."

I don't think so. I think the die is cast and the US is done for. The The fascists, pseudo Christians, Dominionists and fake libertarians have won.
And.. the Chinese.. The ignorant will never know what hit them.
I do truly hope I am wrong.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 12:53 PM

51. Instead of moaning and groaning, let's nominate a presidential candidate for 2016 who will

fight for liberal, Democratic (and democratic) values, someone who will grab the attention of the public. How about an Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Sanders or an Alan Grayson or some combination of the the three? How about Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson or Bernie Sanders and Alan Grayson? How about everyone working together to defeat the Blue Dog machine candidates like Hillary? (She would no more offend Walmart or the news media than walk across the country.)

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:52 PM

60. Any of those three I would vote for over HRC, any day!

 

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:34 AM

22. Exactly! I often call the D party, the party of masochists. n/t

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:07 AM

27. They will *not* win

(at least not in the long run) for 2 reasons:

1. Truth is on our side, and truth can only be delayed, not defeated.

2. Time is also on our side. The changing demographics of this country have already defeated the GOP. They are like a death row prisoner that has already been given the lethal injection, but still rails on about how he'll get revenge against his enemies. The deed is already done, reality will eventually catch up and overtake the illusion.

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Response to demwing (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:44 AM

46. You're right, but they can do a hell of a lot of damage before time and the truth

catches up with them. We can't wait for the inevitable to happen; we have to fight back now. They are desperate, and desperate people will do anything to survive. We need to go after them and not let up until they're destroyed. As long as they have any strength, they will continue to re-group and cause everyone misery. If we wait, there might not be a country left for us to govern when demographics turn in our favor.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:10 PM

58. Just because time is on our side doesn't mean we should wait

it just means that reports of a GOP victory are very fucking premature

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:41 PM

55. 95% of Democratic politicians are bought off! What we are watching is a show, entertainment

if you will, designed to make us "Root for OUR TEAM!" We get caught up fighting issues and watching "spineless" (bought off) Democrats lose over and over. The root problem is our system of electing, our supposed, Representatives. The special interests give regular donations to politicians as long as they "play ball" and vote the way the special interests want them too. What we want doesn't count, i.e. background checks on assault rifles, universal single payer health care... The ONLY thing we need to focus on is campaign finance reform! Publicly Funded Elections would help to reduce the influence on the politicians and give us our Representative Government back! Until then we are spinning our wheels and getting screwed.
I would like to see everyone at DU get on board and make this an issue that cannot be ignored!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:13 PM

64. I don't agree that this is the number one issue, but ...

If you have a petition, I will sign it.

I think it is the tax structure that allows for the wealthy and corporations to stockpile these campaign funds that's the problem and that the campaign contributions themselves are just a symptom, but if you've got a petition I'll be glad to sign it.

I get a lot of offers to sign petitions and they seem to work.

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Response to PeteSelman (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 11:26 PM

79. THANK YOU

OMG the time they wasted coddling those corrupt bastards

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:56 AM

3. Isn't sabotaging US law a crime?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4063858

“calculated sabotage by Republicans at every step” ... unprecedented efforts to undermine a federal law...include blocking necessary resources needed for implementation, public misinformation campaigns, discouraging public-private partnerships to denying blocking Medicaid expansion, blocking CMS nominees, refusing to create marketplaces, and prohibiting “Navigators” from doing their jobs.


and of course this ....

The quotes from House GOP leaders are rather remarkable. Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) said health care reform may lead to identity theft; Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) falsely claimed “premiums are going right through the roof”; Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) warned that consumers who visit healthcare.gov may become victims of fraud; and Caucus Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.) said vulnerable constituents may be put “on the casualty list.”



And then they claim that government doesn't work.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 02:41 AM

89. That's the whole thing. "then they claim that government doesn't work."

 

Dems want government to work and Repubs don't care about government. That's why they abuse the system and Dems look weak trying to keep the system working. Things like not using the filibuster the way Repubs do makes Dems look weak. It's not that they play hardball, it's that they are against government and don't care if the system works.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:57 AM

4. Yeah, they are really aggressive.

The one I keep hearing the most here in Arkansas, is " I have been to the website and their premiums are huge."
My own brother said that to me today. I explained to him that based on his income, he would qualify for subsidies on his premium. More than likely he would qualify for expanded medicare.
He got the info from a right leaning website.
I think the only way to combat the republicans plan is for all of us to address the issues with people face to face, as I did with my brother.
Certainly they will not go looking for the facts on websites such as ours.
Up until now I have kept quite when people are Obama or Obamacare bashing. I decided today that I would do my best to educate people with the facts in a non-confrontational way.

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Response to janlyn (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:19 AM

19. +1000

Well said. Non confrontational helping of those who are too ideological or brainwashed to help themselves.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:01 AM

5. before ACA nobody lost insurance? health insurance cost

stayed the same every year?

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:02 AM

7. "They literally are waging war on Obama!"

Like in 1944 when the Marines took Okinawa with uncomplimentary anecdotes about the Japanese?

Seriously though, I stunned people are being this naďve, unless this is just an act. Did anyone honestly think they were going to simply accept the law? They fought tooth and nail against its passage. Scott Brown campaigned to be the 41st vote forcing the senate to pass the bill under rules of reconciliation. If you think it's bad now just wait 6 months until we're chin deep into the election cycle.

This whole "They're just being big meanies because they don't like our law!" thing makes us look ridiculous.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:29 AM

9. And why do they want to get rid of the law?

Because it's a government program, and they've been trying to destroy the federal government since Reagan. That's why they're trying to cut "entitlement" spending. They want to destroy Social Security and Medicare and food stamps and anything else that helps people who aren't rich. So why don't the Democrats ever mention that?

Everybody but the public seem to know that they want to destroy the government and privatize everything, but the public are clueless about it. Why have the Dems never brought this up? Everything the GOP has done over the past 30 years has been a piece-by-piece effort to destroy the federal government.

They've been playing this long game all this time and they're finally about to succeed. They've purposely bankrupted us and made sure that needed programs are de-funded so much that they can't even function like they should. People are tired of the government not working for them and they're beginning to think that government can't work. It's obvious to anyone with eyes and ears that the GOP has been doing this for all these years, but do the Dems ever bring it up? Why do you think they don't?

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:51 AM

14. Okay. And?

How does that change the fact that we're foolish and naďve if we run around saying our programs can only survive so long as no one dissents?

We live in a democracy. We even operate under the name "The Democratic Party." That implies we govern according to majority rule but majority rule implies there is a mechanism by which this is decided.

That would be the political process and that process entails each side competing against the other(s). We have guaranteed rights of free speech and assembly to ensure everybody gets to talk about the virtues of their agenda -- and yes -- criticize the policies of its opposites.

When I started my political coming-of-age it was in anti-war protests on campus. The Iraq war had passed Congress by significant bipartisan majorities. Yet, I made every effort, such as was in my modest capabilities, to cause as much political grief as possible for those who voted in favor of the war. I made every effort to explain why it should be defunded. I spoke of the human toll, not just of the troops but the toll taken on the Iraqis as well. I regret none of it. It was my right as a free citizen to oppose a law. Yet, somehow they managed to wage their war in spite of my protests.

We need to wage our war for improving the lives of Americans despite the fact the GOP will never bless our efforts. We can't sacrifice being a free society so we'll just have to tuck our heads down and trudge forward. It's a long, hard slog. It never ends and it never gets better. It's an endurance sport. We are losing this battle because the American people are having a crisis in confidence in our ability to competently deliver on our promises. Part of winning will be presenting ourselves as if we are confidently up to the task, not a bunch of whiney babies who want to run home and cry as soon as our feelings get hurt.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:11 AM

17. Great sub-thread

And good points, although I do think there's an important qualitative difference, in that your anti-war positions were based on facts, and the right-wingers' position against Obamacare is based on lies.

But it sounds like your last few sentences actually support LuvNewcastle's point. His concern is that our party isn't up to the long, hard slog, and that enough Democrats are a bunch of whiny babies. Given that the media are siding with the liars on this issue, what do you think the party should do?

Don't mean to single you out, but I basically agree with LuvNewcastle's analysis, so I'm very interested in your counter!

What I would look into, in the President's shoes, is a way to use the Medicaid money the states are leaving on the table to open federal clinics in the affected states. I haven't figured out every detail, but it seems like that would be a good way to start shaming the Republicans and exposing them as the cruel monsters they are. I live in South Carolina. Believe me, a new free clinic in North Charleston, overflowing into the street on a Sunday afternoon, would be a great photo-op.

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:37 AM

24. Note to the Mealy Mouthed Moderates: stop finger pointing and own what you did, do and have

done. Stop blaming the media for mediocre politicians doing corrupt and shitty things. The media sucks, but that does not mean the politicians do not suck. The press is not supposed to do the job of our elected officials, you do understand that don't you? The press is in business. You get that, don't you?
I saw the 'moderate centrists' of this Party sell out the best elements of this bill to please themselves and the right wing. Now they expect those of us they mocked during their crafting of the law to defend their shitty, for profit 'companies deserve your money' policies?
Where is the Blue Dog Moderate magic we hear about all the time? That bipartisan 'pragmatism' they always claim they embody?

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:18 AM

18. I think we're on different wavelengths.

I wasn't talking about crying when our feelings get hurt or trying to crush dissent, I'm talking about telling some truths about the other side that never seem to get told. It seems that there is a dance everyone does around each other while no one ever gets to the root of the differences between us.

Some things need to get aired out in this country. We need to expose the other side's dirty laundry. They've got this agenda that they've been working on for all these years and the Democrats never bring it up. We need to have a national discussion about what the GOP has done and what they still want to do. It should have been done a long time ago, but some people in our party have prevented that, I believe. They've prevented it because they share many of the same goals.

This country has to make a choice about which direction they want to go, and that choice should be an informed choice. We've come to a fork in the road. We can't make compromises anymore; we have to choose one path or the other.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:37 AM

23. "They've got this agenda...and the Democrats never bring it up."

I dunno. We were strutting pretty proud about displaying the GOP's desire to drown large government in the bath tub during the just resolved federal government shutdown. We had them right where we wanted them and the whole nation was captivated by the spectacle. It was surely the end of them! we said.

Dear God how I wish once again for those halcyon days.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:34 AM

44. It didn't take long for them to turn things back around.

Never does. Of course, they've got almost all the media on their side. God, it's so frustrating! It just seems to me like the best strategy is to stay on them like they do to us, and the way to do that is to tell everybody what kind of shit they've got in store if people keep being taken in by them. It's easy for those of us who know some history to see where we're going, but we need to explain it to the public. We need a big change in our strategy if we want to win this thing: we've got to start fighting back. We've got the truth on our side.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #14)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:16 PM

54. Yes, yes, yes, Nuclear Unicorn.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #54)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:34 AM

84. You aren't

the first guy to tell me that.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:16 AM

33. A lot of the public has been so brain washed the DO want to 'get rid of government.'

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #9)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:30 AM

43. It's all about pushing back FDR

Right down to the same families, in many cases. Anti-communisim and "Entitlement Reform", union-busting - it's all about re-establishing control over a government, and a people, that the oligarchy sees as "out of control".

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:28 AM

8. The article seems breathless ...

in the plan ... as if this strategy is something new; it is not.

But on a positive note ... the first two talking points depend on the media's laziness as they are easily refuted/discredited and will be overwhelmed this time next month by the weight of positive stories ... if, again, the media actually does its job.

The last point ... the website's security ... is just another "death panel" argument; it'll take a lot of twisting just to make it approach being true; but sounds really, really scary to those that want to have something to be scared/angry about.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:07 AM

16. Good luck getting the media to do its job

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:39 AM

10. Good I hope they keep this crap up because it will sink them in the long run.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 07:42 AM

11. Meanwhile....millions get insurance they didn't have or cheaper yet better insurance.

It will be hard to convince millions how bad ACA is. This will backfire on them like everything else they do.

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Response to Cobalt Violet (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:37 PM

66. And millions more will lose it or will pay more.

That is the reality.

Polls show a large majority oppose the ACA.

Not trying to be negative, but that is the reality.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:48 PM

67. Can you cite those polls?

Because I keep hearing otherwise.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:55 PM

68. sure:

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #68)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 05:57 PM

69. Well okay. Thanks for the link.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #69)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:00 PM

70. No problem. It is what it is. n/t

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:53 PM

73. BULLSHIT ! 3/4 of those being cancelled get subsidies. Others get Medicaid. This is all BS.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:42 AM

85. If people were getting a better deal they wouldn't be upset.

"Who are you going to believe, me or your lying family budget?" is not a strong campaign position to have going into an election year.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:04 AM

15. just think of this...

if nixon would`t have ordered the break-in at the watergate we would this very same healthcare today.
this is`t about healthcare it`s about making sure no black man will ever be elected again to the presidency.

yes this is a war ....this is the last stand for the racists in this country.

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:22 AM

35. I often cheer myself up by thinking how much they'll love seeing Van Jones in the Oval Office.

Maybe it's a mean aspect of my personality or character, but when a person or entity causes as much grief and destruction as the GOP has, I purely delight in any hint of its karmic misery on the way.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:21 AM

20. Lacking a governance agenda, what else would they do?

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:27 AM

21. We know there is Koch money behind us -

they will fight tooth and nail to not have to pay for people having things like healthcare (except themselves of course).

The most successful capitalists get to the top because they care about one thing - money.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:06 AM

26. GOP=Enemies of the State. nt

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Response to City Lights (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:22 AM

37. Absolutely.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:07 AM

28. Who wrote the memo?

Because whoever did, owns the Republican Party..

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:23 AM

38. Wasn't me, I'm pretty sure.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 11:09 AM

48. This might have a clue:

Mr. Cantor and Representative Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington, another member of the Republican leadership, have also leaned on all 231 House Republicans. A 17-page “House Republican Playbook” walks members through “messaging tools” like talking points, social media tactics and “digital fliers”; details lines of attack; offers up a sample opinion article for local newspapers; and provides an extensive timeline on the health care law and an exhaustive list of legislative responses that have gone nowhere.

A message of the week is presented to the Republican members at the beginning of each week, Ms. McMorris Rodgers said. A “Call to Action” email chain distributes relevant breaking news. A new website, gop.gov/yourstory, is collecting anecdotes from each member.

The goal, according to Ms. McMorris Rodgers, is to use all the “Republican voices we have in the House, the media markets in all the districts we represent, to take our message all over the country.”



Media Markets? hmmm?

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:08 AM

29. have been for five years.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:09 AM

30. They have nothing to lose.

Whey you are staring at a 9% approval rating, WTF? Might as well just go for it.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:16 AM

32. this could have been avoided

I am a big obama fan, but I fault him, and Sibelius, for allowing this opening on what should have been a no brainer.

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Response to greenman3610 (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:40 AM

45. It would have been something else. All the GOP leadership has to keep their caucus under control

is the opposition to Obama. Each time they try to have government do something (even something very conservative), part of their caucus bolts and oppose them because they do not believe in government.

So, this is a pain, but this is a sign of the weakness of the GOP caucus and frankly it would be nice to see the Democrats amplify this.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:17 AM

34. Don't Worry. Don't Even Think About It At All.

I've only been at this site a short time, but I know already there will be a group of members (the same ones who do it everyday) who will come along and swear to you that everything is fine, that Obama's got this, that there are trillions of Americans who have signed up and are getting free medical checkups and prescription medicine even as we speak, and that this is nothing but a bunch of media trying to create stories to sell. Stick around and they'll tell you the same thing tomorrow, and the next day, and the day after that.

Meanwhile back in the jungle...

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:22 AM

36. You might want to read the article

But on Wednesday, the White House Council of Economic Advisers released a report showing that health care spending had grown by 1.3 percent since 2010, the year the health care law passed. That is the lowest rate on record for any three-year period and less than a third of the average since 1965, according to the White House.

Jason Furman, the council’s chairman, said much of that slowdown was attributable to structural changes in the health care economy ushered in by the health law, such as accountable care organizations, which band general practitioners, specialists and hospitals together to plan out a patient’s care, not play off one another to raise their billing. And insurance premiums on plans offered through the exchanges are lower than expected.

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:27 AM

41. See, told you they'd come along.

Never in doubt.

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #41)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:51 AM

47. really?

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:56 PM

74. And then there are those on the UltraTeaLeft who say Dennis Kucinich can with the Presidency, and

will not fight for the ACA because they didn't get Medicare For All which could not pass, and so will stay home and not vote, and then will bitch because more Republicans get elected and do things they hate, and round and round and round they go.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:26 AM

39. The upside to this is that it's free marketing for ACA

More people will learn about it and it does benefit the majority.

There are WAY more positive stories than negative stories.

And they are working out the glitches.

More wasted repuke dollars

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:27 AM

40. Saddest fact...

Is that all of what they plan to hit him with is, technically, correct.

How they are presenting the information makes the ACA look bad, when it isn't. But it's all about how they choose to present this information. Minus point 3 - That one is correct no matter how it's presented.

People have lost their insurance plans, even after Obama has stated that 'if you like your plan, you can keep it'. They are ignoring how bad and low quality these plans were, and that a number of companies are pushing people to more expensive plans even when their old ones meet all of the ACA's requirements.

It raises health care costs - They can point to the tax on medical devices, and the people who have lost their bad insurance and have to pay slightly more for good insurance. And they are ignoring the companies that are pushing people to more expensive plans, even though the old ones are still good under the ACA.

The security of the exchanges, and really all websites in general, is debatable. If someone really cared enough, they could compromise the website. Especially given the plethora of issues the website had at launch - Given all the usability issues, it's possible that were vulnerabilities that hackers could have exploited. But as I said, this applies to all websites.

The stories are relating to points 1 and 2.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:30 AM

42. Well, it is not as if they could develop policies. They agree on nothing except that.

It is also a way for Cantor to show he can control his caucus and be a good speaker should Boehner quit (after the fiasco of the shutdown). Note that he is at the center of this mess.

They can only agree on one thing: Obama is bad.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 11:58 AM

49. The Party Of No And The Party Of Lies"

“Obamacare Increases Health Care Costs.” What's the truth? Health care costs are increasing at their slowest pace in 50 years. So why are these false charges effective? Because the media does not report the facts. They play it as a he said/he said story. No it's not, data is available so the true story is that health care costs are increasing at their slowest pace in 50 years. That, and there is no balance in reporting as far more time is devoted to presenting the lies than is devoted to telling the truth and that is just plain sick.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 12:49 PM

50. So my question is why wasn't the Obama administration ready with a campaign to make the

success stories better told and more widely heard than these nutty Republican stories?

Obama needs to learn something about politics.

Sorry. But Obama should have been prepared for this.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 12:54 PM

52. time to fight back with a massive response campaign ---->

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:10 PM

59. get the word out!













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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 01:04 PM

53. Good luck on the stories

 

Only 1.5% enrolling in the ACA will see prices rise. For 98.5% enrolling they will stay the same or cost less with better coverage.

http://tinyurl.com/oah9h9e

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 02:45 PM

56. OK, here's a thought.

Since they are so brazen as to announce what their plans are, the Dems should get out ahead of this curve, NOT let the Rethugs set the ground rules, and NOT be on the defensive. Somehow we've got to get it through to these weak-kneed, spineless democrats that the best defense is a good offense...there's enough GOOD stories out there about the ACA that the dems CAN be right there countering these attacks. They've got to stay off their heels, get up on the balls of their feet and fight this for a change. Maybe now that they've managed to change the filibuster rules for nominees, they'll realize the rethugs CAN be beat at their own game.

Now, I've got to go write yet another email to Harry Reid.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:03 PM

57. kick

nt






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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 03:59 PM

61. Literally, huh?

Is that like when people get so mad they literally rip someones head off and defecate down their necks?

I see.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 25, 2013, 03:52 AM

90. Sounds like Duke Nuke "Em

The GOP/Neocons are the "Boss" Monsters.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:05 PM

62. So if it's going to be wall to wall obstruction, lies, and contempt for governance...then

 

Fuck the senate minority. Just fuck them. House won't pass immigration reform or even work on technical fixes for Obamacare...so FUCK them. to the mattresses! It is going to be bloody for these bade od shit with (R) behind their name.

I, for one, fully support Obama doing everything in his power with appointments, executive orders, and the like. Build up a case against Repugs for 2014 to catalyze and get participation from young people, African Americans, Latin Americans, and women.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 04:21 PM

63. they are SOOOOOOOOOO desperate it does not succeed

truly pathetic

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 06:51 PM

71. Seditious m'fers imo

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 08:16 PM

72. Someone needs to spend for professional, entertaining ads that refute this and supports the ACA.

Otherwise the negativity will swamp public opinion as it's already starting to do.

But who would pay for it?
The Republicans are fine spending tons of Koch money to kill the ACA but I don't know if there's anyone on the left who would do the same.

Of course if by chance they did find a way to kill the whole law there would be HUGE backlash from the millions of people and families who would lose their insurance or watch their premiums shoot up.
I'm sure the GOP has a whole plan ready to blame this contingency on Obama too.

God I hope the 2014 election sinks these people into the depths of obscurity where they belong.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #72)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:45 PM

77. Add on Twitter TheNewDeal ‏@TheNewDeal

He's doing a good job all day long everyday

OBAMA: 8 MIllion Jobs 44 Months of Job Growth GDP: Up Dow: Up Deficit: Down Bin Laden: Dead Iraq War: Over Obamacare: Law

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #77)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 12:21 AM

82. The GOP talks about how many people will lose insurance plan with the ACA but...

why don't I ever hear how many people will lose their insurance completely if the ACA is killed.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:25 PM

75. They're already dominating the message boards

about 100 to 1.

Worse than ever.

Don't know what they expect to accomplish

It's the Faux News Bubble applied to comments about articles

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:37 PM

76. Apparently I Have Nothing Better To Do But Bitch Issa

is going to start touring states that did not take the Medicaid Expansion & try to drudge up horror stories of people losing insurance or having their rates jump.

I'm keeping my ears open to see if they are going to be in my area because you can bet your ass I'll be there.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 11:57 PM

80. Look at how aggressive they are when there's little to attack Obama on. Of course they will...

take 110% advantage of the situation when Obama gives them an opening....

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 12:00 AM

81. But, what about the JOBS the GOP liars promised us? Of course we know they were only talking about

their jobs.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 07:34 AM

83. Meh. All the anecdotes in the world won't matter once people experience how the

law impacts directly impacts themselves. Because when it comes to the bottom line, the vast majority of people worry first about themselves and their immediate family. As long as a majority of people benefit from the law, this too shall pass.

As long as *their* costs stay the same or go down, as long as *they* get coverage they never had before, as long as *they* keep their own doctors, they will move on. Only the political animals will be running around screaming and making a lot of noise. Everybody else for the most part is just living in their own little bubbles. They'll feel bad for the minority who lose out on something, but they won't change their votes based on it.

In a way, the prepared onslaught is a good thing. It will force the administration to fix the issues faster, so they won't have a chance to fester for long. The faster they get the website working for all, the faster it ceases to exist as an issue, the faster it becomes just a routine, buggy software rollout and is forgotten.

Most people haven't even tried accessing the website yet. My guess is the holiday weeks -- Thanksgiving and Christmas-New Years -- will see big influxes. That's when a lot of people have extra time and are looking for an excuse to escape the family for an hour or so...

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 06:29 PM

87. what about Benghazi?

Pathetic. I heard Andrea Mitchell the other day going off about health insurance. What does she know about getting insurance? She was 'interviewing' a dem rep..meaning she read the dissertation prepared for her, and then asked for a response....and then promptly interrupted, bringing forth more trash to throw at her 'guest'.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Fri Nov 22, 2013, 08:24 PM

88. It IS a war...

... a war waged by a bunch of delirious politically raged right-wing bully maniacs. Period.

The ACA is the law of the land now. The debate is over.

The wingers are advocating the braking of a law.

That looks unlawful to me.

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