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Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:50 PM

WTF? "The Knockout Game". it's evidently spreading- and trending on social media

The New York Police Department is investigating a series of unprovoked recent beatings as possible hate crimes, as they are increasingly occurring in predominantly Jewish neighborhoods.

According to police, bored teens are playing a game called “Knockout,” the purpose of which is to incapacitate a passing pedestrian with a single punch.

One teen interviewed by WTAE said that “t’s for the fun of it. It’s like when you were a little kid, running around and hitting people. Only now you’re grown, so you can knock ’em out.”

The NYPD is concerned that the game may be spreading beyond the Tri-State area, as reports have surfaced of similarly unprovoked attacks in Pittsburgh and St. Louis in recent weeks.

They suspect that the teens are trading videos of their “knockouts” via social media.

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/15/new-york-police-department-concerned-violent-knockout-game-spreading-via-social-media/

WASHINGTON - A terrifying new ‘game’ that’s already caused deaths in Syracuse, St. Louis and New Jersey is sweeping the nation, and it preys upon unsuspecting people walking the streets, anywhere.

A recent report from New York-based CBS 2 shed light on the growing trend, displaying unsettling footage of teens participating in this game – which goes by the name ‘Knockout’ – and involves randomly targeting passersby, with the ultimate goal being to knock them out with one punch as they walk by.

One victim shown in the footage was 46-year-old Ralph Santiago of Hoboken, N.J., who was found dead with his neck broken and head lodged between iron fence posts, according to NJ.com.

Video surveillance shows Santiago walking in an alleyway in broad daylight, and just as he’s about to pass a pack of teenagers, one launches the fatal, knockout blow.

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WASHINGTON - A terrifying new ‘game’ that’s already caused deaths in Syracuse, St. Louis and New Jersey is sweeping the nation, and it preys upon unsuspecting people walking the streets, anywhere.

A recent report from New York-based CBS 2 shed light on the growing trend, displaying unsettling footage of teens participating in this game – which goes by the name ‘Knockout’ – and involves randomly targeting passersby, with the ultimate goal being to knock them out with one punch as they walk by.

One victim shown in the footage was 46-year-old Ralph Santiago of Hoboken, N.J., who was found dead with his neck broken and head lodged between iron fence posts, according to NJ.com.

Video surveillance shows Santiago walking in an alleyway in broad daylight, and just as he’s about to pass a pack of teenagers, one launches the fatal, knockout blow.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/11/16/potentially-fatal-knockout-game-targeting-strangers-may-be-spreading-to-d-c/

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Reply WTF? "The Knockout Game". it's evidently spreading- and trending on social media (Original post)
cali Nov 2013 OP
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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:52 PM

1. This is really sick!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 03:56 PM

2. It's not a game

it is unbridled violence and anarchy. People have died from this.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:07 PM

3. Sucker punching folks unconscious is real brave ... surely something to be proud of.

Aside from being violent criminals, they're cowards.

You know what else is a "game," organized boxing.
Really want to see if you can knock someone out? Step into the ring. Yah ...thought so..

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Response to 1000words (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:31 PM

35. There was thread the other day . . .

About a heavyweight bout in Madison Square Garden that should have been stopped, and resulted in one bixer's death. Let's see how these punks like that.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:09 PM

4. Been around for a few years now. Tons of vids of it on the web.

Every one I've seen or read about is black on white, many times black on white elderly. (I know people don't want to hear it, but it is the truth).

Article from 2011:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078484/Knockout-King-The-sickening-game-claiming-lives-country.html

People have died.



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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:59 PM

19. "Happy slapping" in the UK started around 2004

Unprovoked attacks for the sake of recording it on mobile phones. There have been deaths. This looks to be a progression of this "game."

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:11 PM

78. It is not all black on white

It is often black on Asian or black on Hispanic.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:17 PM

5. It's no wonder that so many people want to carry around guns these days.

I guess these kids don't have enough constructive things to do. We'd better find something for them to do or we're going to have a whole lot of trouble on our hands.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:20 PM

6. it's shocking to reflect now how tame and optimistic A Clockwork Orange is

Almost quaint, like a Geneva Convention or a banking law.

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Response to kenny blankenship (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:34 PM

12. Wow, I was thinking of "A Clockwork Orange" when I wrote my post.

I really hope we aren't sinking further into some dystopia, because I don't want to live in it. When I was growing up, I dreamed of living in a big city, a place where there was always something happening. Rural areas and small towns are looking better and better to me these days.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:22 PM

69. sorry you're thinking of small town America before Facebook

That crap is every where now days.

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Response to okieinpain (Reply #69)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:36 PM

73. And meth

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:23 PM

7. In STL it has been happening for around 5 years os so,,,,

mostly pedestrians who are alone, unaware of their surroundings. One man left with injuries for life, the lone woman victim was the only 'lucky' one that didn't sustain lasting injuries, not counting her psyche. One older gentleman, died. They caught the punks who did that one.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:28 PM

8. Deterrence and punishment needs to be quick and severe

When caught red handed, no bail and many years minimum. This kind of violence is pure evil and very dangerous. There can be no excuse for it.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:31 PM

11. +100. n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:29 PM

9. Sounds like the heir's to the tea party generation.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:35 PM

17. I don't see that at all

I think it has a lot more to do with sky high unemployment and school systems that are failing inner city black youth.

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Response to cali (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:03 PM

21. Strike race from your explanation; this is a nearly world-wide thing

Started as "happy slapping" in the UK amongst largely working class/poor whites. Here, it's not limited to one race, either. Rotten economy and terrible schools for all.

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Response to REP (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:14 PM

31. no, I won't strike race from the explanation. that would be counter to the facts

In this country and that are what these articles are about, it's largely black inner city kids who are engaging in this. By quite a large margin evidently. It's by no means only white victims however. In doing a search I couldn't find any cases of white kids "playing" it or any videos.

And some of it does appear race related as in this:

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/11/nypd-seeking-perpetrators-of-knock-out-the-jew-game-2753314.html

Again, this has a lot to do with our society failing these kids and the very high drop out rates and unemployment.

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Response to cali (Reply #31)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 11:53 PM

42. I agree

These kids have no hope, and have been abandoned by society. We marginalize them, disenfranchise them, and lock them up much more efficiently than we educate them. I'm not going to condone their behavior, but can you blame them for lashing out in at least some way?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #42)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 11:59 PM

43. can you blame them for lashing out in at least some way

Yes. There is not one plausible excuse or explanation for killing a stranger or beating them to a pulp. Not one. Not now, not ever.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #43)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:01 AM

44. Reading comprehension is your friend

I said i didn't condone their actions. But when you abandon an entire segment of society, how do you expect them to behave?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #44)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:09 AM

45. None of these killers are abandoned to fend on their own in the wild

Someone is feeding them, housing them, healing their mortal wounds. I am sure you don't condone their actions, but there is no excuse or reasoning behind killing strangers that have done you or your loved one no harm.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:16 AM

46. Society is dehumanizing them

We're stripping away their education, frisking them on the street for no reason, and stripping away their voting rights. We've outsourced their jobs, locked up their fathers, and cut their benefits. I hate what they do, but feel compassion for the circumstance they are in. Compassion and empathy are progressive values after all.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #46)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 03:59 AM

64. I feel compassion and empathy for those beaten to a pulp first nt

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #46)

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 02:50 PM

100. That's a lame excuse.

These kids are just assholes and they think it's funny. They aren't "lashing out at a society that wronged them" so to speak, they are assaulting innocent people for no reason, recording it on video and then laughing about it.

I have zero sympathy for them. Zero.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:15 PM

80. And buying them fucking *Smart Phones* on which to record their depravity.

>>>Someone is feeding them, housing them, healing their mortal wounds.>>>>>

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #42)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 05:31 AM

53. I'm sure they tell themselves it's everyone elses' fault too.

It's never their fault. No accountability. Just do whatever you want and blame society for making you do it.

Being "abandoned by society" doesn't make you sneak up on someone and punch them out. They aren't stealing a loaf of bread - they're showing off to their friends how tough they (think they) are by beating on innocent people. It's not a cry for attention - it's a game of power, machismo, and showing off.

Even if you gave kids like this help, they wouldn't give a shit. They have no desire to do anything with themselves. They're sociopaths and can't be saved.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #53)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:09 AM

56. Nice progressive attitude

Lots of compassion. And you've proved my point. Any other marginalized members of society you want to totally write off?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #56)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:29 PM

59. I disagree with you

As being in the social services, I think I have a pretty good handle on this. You cannot give these kids a pass, it only encourages more outrageous behavior. They marginalize themselves and there is NO ONE who is denying them an education except for their peers who will chide any kid who wants to make it out.

It's about expectations too. If you expect kids to behave a certain way because they have been "marginalized" then they will live up to those expectations. There is absolutely NO EXCUSE for that behavior. Since when does being poor mean that one is anti-social.

There is a difference between caring and being played a fool.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #53)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:45 PM

74. almost agree with everything you said, almost.

I have several examples that cover these arguments. I have one nephew that when me and my wife were picking him up from his dads house, people where calling My sister in another state telling her that me and my wife where at the crack house every weekend. That kid just got his masters last month.

I have another nephew that is damn near 30 years old and his parents between the two of them probably gross 150,000 a year. But the first thing out of his month would be to tell you what a hard life he's had. You know coming up in the ghetto and all.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:34 PM

72. no they think its fun and makes

Them manly. You could build them the best school money could buy and they would just tell you that your just trying to make them act white.

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Response to okieinpain (Reply #72)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 03:20 PM

75. Results of your Jury Service

At Mon Nov 18, 2013, 12:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

no they think its fun and makes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4052254

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This is a racist post. Basically the poster says that building schools for African American children is a waste of time because they don't want to "act white"

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 18, 2013, 12:19 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: I agree that it's a broad-brush racist statement.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It's not racist and not uncommon for people of color to say things like this. I work in communities of color, with men who have sex with men, and many do not identify as gay or bisexual because they see that as a "white thing".
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Response to philosslayer (Reply #42)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:12 PM

79. Yes.

>>>>>>'m not going to condone their behavior, but can you blame them for lashing out in at least some way?>>>>>>

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Response to cali (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:29 PM

71. I have to disagree with you, it doesn't have anything

To do with failing schools, its stupid no snitching garbage and rap music. Dumb ass kids think they can get away with stuff because no one its going to tell on them. Dumb adults are to blame for this, then scream racism when their kids get in trouble.

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Response to REP (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:33 AM

47. Race is clearly a factor.

Search "knockout game " on youtube. The racial dynamics are clear. Every case I've ever read about has had the same racial overtones - young black males on non-black, usually white, often elderly victims. Sometimes it ends in death. (If the races were reversed this board would explode).

I don't see how pretending the racial factors don't exist helps anything.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #47)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 11:56 PM

60. you only pretend that racial prejudices go one way

the only time you post about race or prejudice is when you think or say the victim is white.

show us if you think it's different but it's not.

you post so often about race, only when you say the victim is white. ONLY.

and if someone points out issues in the South you are offended, despite the history there.



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Response to CreekDog (Reply #60)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 12:04 AM

61. It's called King Hitting in Australia, and I'm pretty sure that none of the perps doing it

are black. Apparently this is a really sick little global phenomena.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #61)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:09 AM

62. You're addresssing someone unconcerned with reality

or honest discussion.

just a heads up

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #62)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:02 PM

66. Honest discussion? Please, look at what you said about Ron Paul:

Star Member Skip Intro (18,710 posts)
12. No, I don't think it is "racism pure and simple."

I haven't heard ANY candidate other than Paul rail against institutional racism.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=136792

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Response to cali (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:48 AM

63. is there anything to show what kind of background these kids come from ?

they don't seem that disadvantaged to me.

i would say they are more likely to be spoiled types than those who come from homes that struggle economically and in other ways.

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Response to jwirr (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:22 AM

85. Bullshit

I loathe the teabaggers as much as anyone on this board but you simply cannot pin this disgusting behavior on them. It would be the teabaggers calling for everyone to carry guns and shoot anyone who tried to do this. What needs to happen is a zero tolerance - catch one of these animals, lock them up and throw away the key.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:31 PM

10. Here in Texas, my lifestyle never takes me near ....

 

.... groups of "teens." But in the future, if it does, I will arrange to give them a wide berth. If they change direction to continue to approach they will get one warning before they are within 10 ft. I would not likely allow anyone within "knockout" distance.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 09:24 PM

39. ok george. you gonna shoot everyone who comes within 10 feet of you?

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Response to dionysus (Reply #39)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 09:31 PM

40. Did I say that?

 

Why, no, I didn't. So why did you feel you had to ask that?

And my name is not George. Not even close. Do you have a reading problem?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 04:39 PM

13. A virus?

Life in the behavioral sink. You can't say we weren't warned.

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Response to pscot (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 09:11 PM

38. You can just hear Skinner muttering to himself, can't you? I don't mean the DU Skinner.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:11 PM

14. This is a symptom of societal breakdown.

What can we expect when kids are left to rear themselves on a steady diet of violence and mayhem? When the heroes held up to them by the gun culture cheapen human life?

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:24 PM

15. and then they get to make themselves "famous"

By uploading this crap to social media.

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:30 PM

16. Perhaps it's time to start making them famous by putting their arrest photos on the evening news. nt

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:54 PM

18. What can we expect???

How about expecting kids to not walk up to strangers or anyone and kill them for pleasure or to prove their macho bullshit. There is absolutely nothing that can be used to blame or condone this demented shit. Perhaps an adult could brainwash a child from infancy, but I am pretty sure that is not what is driving this.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:01 PM

29. Let me provide an example from nature, to which many people forget or deny our inclusion.

Scientists have observed aberrant behavior in young male elephants in the wild when there are no mature bulls present due to poaching or whatever.

Humans like to discount the critical nature of close association with healthy role models and we also like to excuse using degrading entertainment media as convenient electronic pacifiers.

There's not that much difference between species when it comes down to the nitty gritty. When our legitimate biological and psychological needs go unmet, abberant behavior is going to result, like it or not. I'm not making any excuses, simply trying to look at the problem scientifically - a practice we ignore at our common peril. Yes, we can and should wish for better, but we're damned sure not going to get it by denying our situation!

Reality insofar as it can be determined is our friend. Ignorance of the human animal is NOT. EVER.

One other note: Modern city planners have found ways to design spaces that passively reduce some of our baser behaviors. I find that encouraging. But they didn't discover this by ignoring or denying what happens under given conditions either.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:23 PM

32. I saw something on Discovery about this years ago.

Some naturalists in Africa moved some bull elephants in their early twenties from one park to another; I forget why. I think it was because there were too many of them. But they made the mistake of not moving some older bulls into the area with them. The young ones essentially became juvenile delinquents. There were even some cases of them killing rhinos. So the naturalists brought in some bulls in their thirties and forties. They straightened out the youngsters real quick.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #32)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 09:08 PM

37. Well, while I prefer the nuclear human family arrangement,

I realize that's not always possible or even preferable to some. There are excellent alternatives such as the well-run commune or even Israeli kibbutz. But electronic parenting defies our very nature and cannot be made to work. We're reaping the bitter fruit today.

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Response to IrishAyes (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:09 PM

67. ^^winner^^

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:03 PM

20. Another reason IWB is a bad idea.

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Response to ileus (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:09 PM

24. IWB?

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Response to Brigid (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:42 PM

28. I believe the poster is referring to "inside waistband" which describes a handgun holster ...

often used by people who legally carry concealed.

Of course I might be wrong.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:05 PM

22. I have been mocked on here in the past . . .

For saying that we are devolving into a "Mad Max" society. I stick by my opinion, and stories like this are the reason why.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:14 AM

49. the New Russia: we just had 20 years' more stuff piled up

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:05 PM

23. people are fucking stupid.

that's really about all I can say.

Knock someone out for the fun of it. Anyone who does this deserves a jail sentence.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:25 PM

25. I'm a bit surprised this is happening in a predominantly Jewish neighborhoods in NYC.

 

The communities there have sizable, well organized civilian patrols to deal with this kind of shit and
they don't play around in dealing with offenders...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shomrim_%28neighborhood_watch_group%29

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:33 PM

26. "It’s like when you were a little kid, running around and hitting people"



I don't recall doing that when I was a little kid.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #26)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 08:55 PM

36. It says a lot, really

Apparently they were allowed to do this and their fucking idiot parents said nothing.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 06:35 PM

27. Lock them and don't even waste time on a trial. Fine the parents and make them pay for all medical

costs. And...take away the parent's right to vote!!!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:02 PM

30. Ummm

domestic terrists?

Our nation is very sick and needs some kind of treatment ASAP.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:24 PM

33. The comments on that article damn near made me puke. Every racial slur and paranoid fantasy

imaginable. That, combined with the article itself, pretty much extinguishes any hope for humanity I might have had. I think I'm gonna go get drunk.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #33)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:27 PM

34. Order me a Guinness.

This thread makes me need a drink too.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 10:13 PM

41. this is disgusting

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 12:51 AM

48. I read a story about one of these sucker punchers

 

getting stabbed to death when he went to assault what he thought was an unarmed victim.

And of course the parents and community were immediately reframing the little devil as a "good kid" who could "do no wrong".



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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:20 AM

50. Folks need a little situational awareness

It is a sad fact that the majority of people one sees out and about are
totally oblivious to their surroundings. How many are yakking on their
phones, playing electronic devices or are otherwise in La-La land?

I'm not saying we should be paranoid, but TRY to be somewhat aware
of what, and WHO are around us.

I have seen as many of these video's as my blood pressure will allow
and many of the victims never had the first clue they were about to be'
attacked.

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #50)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:18 PM

81. So... it's the *victims'* fault?

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Response to Adam-Bomb (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:57 PM

94. So, when some teen walks by you on the street, you assume you're going to be attacked?

It's NORMAL to expect that you won't be attacked by people when you walk down the street. It's the ones who think that everyone walking by them intends to attack them that concern me. Those are the George Zimmermans of the world.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 02:12 AM

51. This used to go on when I was a kid.

The Guardian Angels that I knew used to do it. It's nothing new.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 04:25 AM

52. Fuck, this reminds me of the CSI episode where kids were going around kicking and beating ppl

for fun. What a bunch of sick people.

If I were law enforcement, I'd contact every high school principal starting with the cities it's happening in and advise them to tell their students that investigations are ongoing and those who are doing so will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Then they might see just how fucking funny it really is.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 05:37 AM

54. As an earlier post said, it is good to always be looking around at your surroundings

 

and don't act like a victim. I think avoiding dangerous situations is key, and a little macho posturing or acting won't hurt either. I never show fear when I'm out and about, like late at night taking public transportation.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 05:37 AM

55. Scary!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 09:22 AM

57. St. Louis 'knockout game' victim enraged that suspects walked free

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/st-louis-knockout-game-victim-enraged-that-suspects-walked-free/article_6dc55245-69ec-51a0-8f5c-5bbb95777a9d.html

St. Louis 'knockout game' victim enraged that suspects walked free
January 12, 2012 12:05 am • BY JENNIFER MANN • jmann@post-dispatch.com> 314-621-5804 AND JOEL CURRIER • jcurrier@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8256

ST. LOUIS • The middle-schoolers were looking for a random person to beat up on Oct. 21, hoping to prove their mettle to a group of teens at Roosevelt High School who called themselves "TKO" or "The Knock Out" clan, police say.

They found their victim in Matt Quain, kicking and punching him in the face, breaking his jaw and knocking him down on South Grand Boulevard before walking off.

The 13-year-old girl who relayed this to police became the key witness against seven juveniles, ages 12-14, all from Fanning Middle School. But at the last minute before trial this week, she failed to show up, and the case fell apart, as was first reported Wednesday on STLtoday.com.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/knockout-game-case-shocked-st-louis-then-fell-apart/article_cdf5032a-b65e-51e0-a84e-de0f0ce0c5f8.html

'Knockout game' case shocked St. Louis, then fell apart
March 04, 2012 10:15 am • BY TODD C. FRANKEL • tfrankel@post-dispatch.com > 314-340-8110

The summer of 2011 had started quietly enough, with no hint that knockout assaults would be a problem in the fall.

This was a surprise. In April, four teens had attacked a 72-year-old Vietnamese immigrant and his wife as they walked home from a market in Dutchtown. Hoang Nguyen died. His wife was hurt. An 18-year-old man, who allegedly told police he just wanted to knock someone out, was charged with first-degree murder.

"Knockout game" became the crime's coarse moniker. But it didn't feel like the start of something new. No one saw it as the sign of a wave of random assaults. After all, violent crime rates were falling across the city.

Then, in late August, several bicyclists were jumped in the Shaw neighborhood. In September, a group of teens pummeled a 59-year-old man as he walked near Grand and Gravois Road. Police rounded up the Knockout King and the other teens. But the pedestrian said he never got a good look at his attackers

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Nov 17, 2013, 01:13 PM

58. It seems this was meant to shock

Giving white people a shock

But I won't stop my walk

'Cause I've got 12 in my Glock...

Is this the mentality these violent teens are hoping to stir?

This is the kind of societal breakdown that cause some people to buy guns.

It's a crazy world...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 05:19 AM

65. Always be wary of reporters writing "trend" pieces

Without any numbers, it's hard to say whether anything is or isn't "sweeping the nation".

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:09 PM

68. why can't people just be nice?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 01:27 PM

70. The more things change...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 03:25 PM

76. What happens when the knockout gamers encounter a senior citizen who decides to stand his ground?

Who the fuck are we supposed to root for in that case?

I know who I would favor.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:30 AM

86. Why would anyone here

"root" for the animals doing this? I do see some blaming society for their behavior but I don't see anyone saying they shouldn't be punished.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:02 PM

95. I doubt anyone here has any issue with someone truly standing his/her ground.

Just murderous pricks like George Zimmerman looking to off people. I can't imagine anyone here would have an issue with someone defending themselves from one of these sick fuckers.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:08 PM

77. Sometimes called 'Polar Bear Hunting' or 'Happy Slapping'

It has been around for years.

Denver had a problem with it in 2009. The police tried to keep it buried and portray the attacks as completely unrelated.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:24 PM

82. Beam me up Scotty!

The assholes are unbearable.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Nov 18, 2013, 04:24 PM

83. It's all fun and games until an assault charge is filed.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:16 AM

84. I lived in San Diego USA

for a few years in the late 80's-early 90's. It was happening, they called it wilding then, in a gay area called hillcrest by young black males on gay (appearing) males and did not make the media until a young straight guy was killed. It was the 35th attack before it made the media.

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Response to Guaguacoa (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 01:00 PM

93. I lived there, too

Between 2007 and 2012. A friend of mine lived in Hillcrest. The streets between the eastern edge of Hillcrest and the western edge of El Cerrito are still pretty rough. Driving through them was plenty scary without ever having heard of "wilding".

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #93)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 05:33 PM

97. Hillcrest was actually pretty nice back then.

The company I was working for had us do some work there and it was pretty laid back, many gay business owners had businesses there. I did not even know about the "wildings" (they all attacked with pipes and chains) until I saw signs there posted on poles, stc. warning of this. Not long afterward the guy died and it finally made the news. Just like this "knockout game" has been ignored by the media for years.

I think ignoring this stuff emboldens the thugs and keeps people from being prepared that it could happen.

Man, wish I could go there and get some baltimore bagels now. I used to stock up and freeze a bunch.

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Response to Guaguacoa (Reply #97)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 06:56 PM

98. Hillcrest is still pretty nice

Definitely getting a bit upscale, but it is one of the nicer urban neighborhoods. I'd take it over Pacific Beach any day of the week.

It's the streets east of Hillcrest that are dodgy. Especially those just north and south of Trojan (I think... or maybe Orange). There's some Somali and Vietnamese enclaves there that have their own charm, but there's some gang strongholds tucked in, too. The areas along the main drags are ok, but the side streets gave me the willies.

Generally speaking, I liked San Diego quite a bit. Still, as far as California's cities go, it has a very vocal conservative element. Coming from New England, I was a bit put off by the homophobia and the racism I encountered there. I actually had an employer tell everyone in the office--at an office meeting--not to vote for Jerry Brown.

As far as food goes, I miss Mexican. There was a hole in the wall joint off University called Gualberto's. The enchiladas were phenomenal. My wife swears by their horchata.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #98)

Thu Nov 21, 2013, 10:40 PM

99. Heh, plenty of mexican food here in mexico.:)

There was far more racism in Southern ca than akansas. We lived in NW arkansas a few years (the wife's only time to live in the US) and the people are great there. The wife says the nicest she has ever been around. CA was far worse.


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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:35 AM

87. IMO

Last edited Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:56 AM - Edit history (1)

Heard about this i saw a few video clips, very disturbing, the obvious dangers of punch people and not to mention the retaliation from the victims who IMO have the right to kick the living shit out of these thugs kids or not. I would also agree that the parent should be held legally responsible for their child actions and be made to pay all medical bills to include long term care.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 09:46 AM

88. There was a story on the news

early this morning about this. I will try to find an article about it. I believe they said the latest victim was a 78 yr. old woman.
I don't recall if she died or not.

This is just fucking horrible. The kids and maybe their parents should be prosecuted.


edit to add --

Here is the story.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/video?id=9332798&pid=9332051

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:44 PM

90. I watched that early this morning. Sad.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:48 PM

91. It is very sad and scary.

I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #91)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 12:55 PM

92. I know it'll spread to the rural areas but I'm glad I'm not in the city.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 20, 2013, 02:07 PM

96. It might spread.



I'm a bit ashamed to say it, but maybe I'll just start crossing the street if I see a bunch of teens ahead or behind me.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #92)

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:24 PM

101. Not sure why this kind of attempted murder would be tried in rural areas

I would think the morons attempting it would be dispatched soundly. Hog food comes to mind.

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Response to seveneyes (Reply #101)

Sat Nov 23, 2013, 04:07 PM

102. Because they are trying to impress their peers.

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