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Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:19 AM

Why does a discussion of Rmoney's religion appear to be off limits

Wasn't Obama's church fair game for these racist scumbag ReTHUGS?

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Reply Why does a discussion of Rmoney's religion appear to be off limits (Original post)
malaise Mar 2012 OP
Firebrand Gary Mar 2012 #1
malaise Mar 2012 #5
Quantess Mar 2012 #2
malaise Mar 2012 #3
lukkadairish Mar 2012 #4
malaise Mar 2012 #6
CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #18
pinboy3niner Mar 2012 #7
malaise Mar 2012 #9
Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #38
Jazzgirl Mar 2012 #39
MarianJack Mar 2012 #8
malaise Mar 2012 #10
liberal N proud Mar 2012 #11
piratefish08 Mar 2012 #12
Owlet Mar 2012 #13
Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #16
Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #14
longship Mar 2012 #15
KamaAina Mar 2012 #35
cali Mar 2012 #17
malaise Mar 2012 #36
madrchsod Mar 2012 #19
Aerows Mar 2012 #31
lunatica Mar 2012 #20
aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #40
panader0 Mar 2012 #21
JoePhilly Mar 2012 #22
MineralMan Mar 2012 #23
muriel_volestrangler Mar 2012 #24
Nye Bevan Mar 2012 #25
siligut Mar 2012 #26
starroute Mar 2012 #27
siligut Mar 2012 #28
malaise Mar 2012 #37
aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #29
siligut Mar 2012 #30
LineNew Reply k
Go Vols Mar 2012 #32
DearAbby Mar 2012 #33
GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #34

Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:25 AM

1. That's a great question.

And a question that Romney needs to answer. Just goes to show you that media in general is designed to protect their own, corporations.

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Response to Firebrand Gary (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:32 AM

5. Corporations and all things white

So African-American churches are anti-American blah, blah, blah, but Mormons are OK - ah well!!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:29 AM

2. Well, he's white, which means his religion is probably okay...

Like, he probably doesn't dance around a fire with a bone through his nose, like Obama probably does whenever he's not being a muslim.

(/sarcasm)

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Response to Quantess (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:30 AM

3. Spitting coffee

A great response

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:30 AM

4. A person can...

A person can believe what they need and wish to believe when it comes to their faith. The rest of us can find that distasteful, whacky, nonsense, or whatever. I agree in that his faith base needs a little airing out: Mormonism's post death 'conversion/baptizing and one of their sect's polygamy practices call for open discussion. We can either be candid and open and real about it or we can scree on like Palin, Beck, and all the other pseudo faith leaders out there who really show their arse

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Response to lukkadairish (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:33 AM

6. I'm an atheist but if Obama has to explain attending an African American church then

Willard Rmoney should explain his mumbo jumbo.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:50 AM

18. You got it.

 

I checked what Mormons believe. It is unreal. Other Planets. Special glasses. Top Hats with a rock in them. Wow. Ku-Ku.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:35 AM

7. Wingnut blogs attacked Obama for being a secret Muslin...

...which, I guess, must be inferior to polyester or rayon.

I love wingnut blogs.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:36 AM

9. Hahahahaha

Noe even linen????

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:08 PM

38. That is because the latter are good God fearing fabrics, you heathen! nt

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:09 PM

39. Well! It's certainly inferior to pure cotton!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:36 AM

8. It's not off limits to me.

Any way we can sow discord in the rethug base is fine with me.

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:37 AM

10. Well it's time to go country

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:37 AM

11. I am surprised that Gingrich has left it alone

Totally shocked that he has not used it to try and stay in the race.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:37 AM

12. i'd prefer we all admit that religion shouldn't have fuck all to do with governing........

yeah. i live in a dreamworld.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:49 AM

13. Not so much off-limits as irrelevant, IMHO

Who cares what church he does or doesn't go to? It sometimes seems to me that the very folks who want to keep religion out of politics are the same ones who want to insert it into the debate when it serves their purpose.

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Response to Owlet (Reply #13)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:42 AM

16. I like to understand the depths of nuttery the guy with the nuke trigger has bought in to.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:41 AM

14. Nobody should ever mention that his family ran a notorious polygamist colony in mexico.

That would be wrong.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:41 AM

15. Do you mean other than Article VI of the Constitution?

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


That pretty much spells it out.

However, you can pretty damned much believe that Rmoney's Mormonism is a huge issue amongst the fundamentalist Christian right. They can't get away with saying so in public, but they are surely saying in private.

It will be interesting to look at polling data on this. The question is, will this help Obama in Nov? Do they hold their noses and take the Hobson's choice? Or do they stay home from the polls, or vote some third party wackaloon?

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Response to longship (Reply #15)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 02:53 PM

35. What that means is that he can't be barred from office because he is Mormon

in the Colonial period, Jews and even Catholics were often disqualified.

Like the First Amendment, Article VI protects you from government action. That is, Rush Limbaugh is free to call a woman a "slut" and a "prostitute" and demand to see sex tapes of her. He cannot be thrown in jail. However, his advertisers and affiliates are free to express their displeasure by dumping his show. Similarly, We the People are free to express our disgust with any and all aspects of Rmoney (of which, to me, his religion is a relatively minor one) by not voting for him.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 07:47 AM

17. That is an excellent point

and this post should stay bumped to the top of the page.

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Response to cali (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:04 PM

36. Didn't Willard say that Obama is trying to change the essence of America

I'd ask him what he means about that and if that view is based on the racism associated with his religion or if he's just a garden variety racist.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:55 AM

19. a very brief history...

the baptist `s have hated the mormons since the early 1800`s. in fact they were in a shooting war. over the years their hatred has dimmed a bit but deep down inside rmoney does`t have a chance in hell with the baptists.

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Response to madrchsod (Reply #19)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:18 PM

31. Absolutely right

I live in the South, and among Southern Baptists, his name is mud because he's a Mormon. I don't like him for too many reasons to list, but I ALWAYS get the Mormon jab in whenever I can among conservatives. I just love watching their faces fall when they realize he's probably going to be the nominee.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:58 AM

20. He doesn't look even remotely Muslim

Therefore it doesn't matter.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 04:06 PM

40. The funny thing is that Evangelical Fundies probably have more in common with Islam

than they do with Mormonism. But they'd never admit that.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:04 AM

21. k and r

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:05 AM

22. He's not black.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:13 AM

23. Why would we discuss that? Let the right wing

do that. Romney's religion is a hot topic in that group. Let the Republicans destroy their own candidate. We needn't bother.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:20 AM

24. Are you complaining that Gingrich and Santorum groups aren't going after his religion?

Well, as you say, racism would then be part of it; he's the same colour as them, while Obama is not. Also, he's a Republican, and they've been trying to build a coalition of all the right wing religionists, because they need every single one of them in the general election. Attack a fellow Republican for his religion, and you may well lose the votes of his sect in November.

I hope you aren't saying we ought to be imitating racist scumbags.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:23 AM

25. Romney believes that God communicated his plans to man in upstate New York in 1820.

Obama believes that God communicated his plans to man in Palestine in 0-34 AD.

Is one of these beliefs really a lot more credible than the other one?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:49 AM

26. Mormons live in a glass house and they throw rocks

So they needed to develop an invisible force field, consisting of misinformation, media control, posing in the position of the victim/persecution and money. Feel free to add to this.

When the University of Washington elected a Mormon as president, the media made it look like the people questioning his appointment were being cruel, petty and prejudiced against his religion. It's like Mormonism is the new race card.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:33 AM

27. My only question about Romney's religion is whether it give him a secret political agenda

I figure people are free to believe any wacky thing they choose as long as it doesn't slop over into real-world political decisions. But the Mormon Church appears to have serious political ambitions -- as suggested in part by it getting involved so deeply in the Prop. 8 mess in California -- and I want to know to what extent Romney is part of that.

(Looking at the Joseph Smith quote in the excerpt below, I'm also struck by the bit about God damning America. Bit of a Jeremiah Wright vibe there, don't you think?)

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/29/mitt_and_the_white_horse_prophecy/

When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him. All young Mormon men — the “worthy males” of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known — receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries. But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics — a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faith’s founding 12 apostles—Mitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader. , , ,

Upon completion of his foreign mission, he immersed himself in the 1970 senatorial campaign of his mother, Lenore Romney, who was running against Phillip Hart in the Michigan general election. That same year, the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle. . . .

Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it. Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.”

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Response to starroute (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:39 AM

28. Not only a secret political agenda, but he has had secret support getting to where he is

He is so unqualified to be in the position he is in, he has had help from a powerful group with their own secret agenda.

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Response to starroute (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 03:06 PM

37. Thank you for an excellent post

Didn't know about any of this.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 11:40 AM

29. The only thing I like about Romney is that he doesn't mention God every two seconds

unlike Santorum. But in Romney's case, he doesn't mention God to the intolerant Republican Fundie base because he believes in the Mormon God Elohim, who lives on the planet Kolob, who visited Earth 2,000 years and impregnated the Virgin Mary with his divine penis. Can you imagine how long Romney would last if he revealed that Mormons believe Jesus was fathered by an alien from outer space?

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #29)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:08 PM

30. They are trying to keep this under wraps

Pearls before swine you know, that is what they tell themselves.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:20 PM

32. k

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:41 PM

33. It's not relevant.

I don't subscribe to any organized religious belief. I think they are all cults (MHO)I also agree with the constitution of there being no religious tests regarding elected positions.

I won't lower myself to their standards. But let me put your mind at ease. Christians, especially those like Rev. Franklin Graham are very aware of the differences between "christianity" and "mormonism" They won't need our help.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 02:31 PM

34. Good luck ...

with that role model.

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