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Fri Nov 15, 2013, 01:56 AM

 

I am a man, and I want to pay for women's pregnancies and abortions

Tired of the selfish mythology promoted by Republicans, fake preachers spouting prosperity gospel, and all others who use scripture or ideology to be selfish assholes.

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Reply I am a man, and I want to pay for women's pregnancies and abortions (Original post)
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 OP
Warpy Nov 2013 #1
LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #5
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #7
Dreamer Tatum Nov 2013 #2
LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #3
Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #4
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #6
Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #8
LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #10
freshwest Nov 2013 #15
Art_from_Ark Nov 2013 #9
Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #11
Scuba Nov 2013 #12
KitSileya Nov 2013 #17
Scuba Nov 2013 #18
dipsydoodle Nov 2013 #13
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #14
fadedrose Nov 2013 #16

Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:04 AM

1. And I'll be happy to pay for your sports and work {injuries

and heart disease. Hell, since you're paying for the birth control for my sisters out there, I'll even pay for your Viagra should you ever need it.

That's what insurance is all about. We all contribute to the pot and people who have the bad luck to need health care get it paid for out of that pot. The rest of us can be happy we were too healthy to need it.

Plus, we get the peace of mind that if we have the bad luck to get sick or injured, we can get it taken care of without losing everything we've worked years to get.

I lost my insurance for the last time in 1987. Being without insurance is hell.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:16 AM

5. Peace of mind goes a long way. For a lot of people, including myself, it's

essential for a person's mental stability.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:19 AM

7. Exactly. Considering stress lowers life expectancy just having insurance will extend lives

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:14 AM

3. I do too.

I've heard it said that you don't want to deal with a woman's reproductive system before 50, and you don't want a man's problems after 50. It was probably explained better when it was told to me, but the point is that both women and men have sex-related issues, they just experience them at different stages of life.

So men should realize while they're contributing their money to assist women that eventually women will be doing the same for them if they live an average life span. Too many people can't get it through their thick heads that selfishness is ultimately self-defeating.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:14 AM

4. I thought the point of Insurance was that people only pay for themselves. When THEY get sick!

Healthy People paying a little bit every month to cover the large expenses of the sick ones sure sounds like Socialism to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:18 AM

6. Socialism where insurance companies get the vig

 

But at least it protects those suffering calamities.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:24 AM

8. If only there were some way to get the profits to the poor corporations without

having the pesky payouts.

Sigh.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:33 AM

10. That is exactly how Republicans look at the rest of us.

Too bad I can't rec this post.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 01:29 AM

15. OMG. I need to turn in for the night. I thought you wrote SURFING calamities. Like the GOP wanted to

'Manage Catastrophy' throught their contrived Default. As far as it being a calamity, in reality it is not. Disability and death are part of life:



Van Jones: Let's Stop Trying to Please Republicans

Published on Oct 29, 2013
Recorded May, 2012
Directed/Produced by Jonathan Fowler, Elizabeth Rodd, and Dillon Fitton

Van Jones: "I don't understand how this individual mandate is something that we've allowed the Republicans to define as some sort of, quote-unquote, government takeover. In fact, it's their idea. The progressives were saying we want single-payer. Myself, I would say why do you need insurance companies for health care at all. Insurance is what you buy when you don't know if something bad is going to happen. Maybe I'll crash my car. Maybe I won't. I don't know. So I'm going to get car insurance just in case. Everybody's going to get sick and die, so you know every single person's going to need health insurance. That's not something you can provide insurance for, that's called a service.

So my view, single-payer. The Republicans always said, no, that's too much government. So we came back and said, okay, no single-payer. How about a public option? So you'd a public program, everybody could join Medicare or compete with the private companies, too much government. We want individual responsibility. So we said, fine, you win. We'll do it your way, individual mandate. And then, they say that is a socialist government takeover. Well, hold on a second now. You're now a part of the pro-moocher caucus? You're saying it's okay for people to just dive bomb their way into the emergency room? Yeah, don't worry about it. Don't get any insurance. The government will pay for it. Now, you're like the pro-freeloader party?

This Republican Party, from my point of view, has taken the posture that any idea, even their own ideas, if they're championed by this president, they will oppose. And I think that discredits them. It's like chasing a bunny on the old dog track. They have a mechanical bunny. If you've ever been to a dog track, I'm from Tennessee, if you ever go to Memphis, they have a dog track and they have a mechanical bunny. And they open the gates and the dogs just go and try and chase that mechanical bunny. And I think those dogs probably think someday they're going to catch that bunny. They're never going to catch that bunny because the bunny keeps moving.

You're trying to chase the right to try to convince them to agree with you. They will run away from their own ideas if they think a Democrat embraces them. It was a Republican idea to have cap and trade, a market-based, business-friendly solution for carbon and climate problems. That was the Heritage Foundation that came up with cap and trade. We were saying carbon tax. To chase them, we moved to cap and trade and they moved on to don't do anything. Climate change isn't even real.

On health care, it was their idea to have an individual mandate and personal responsibility and don't have a big government single-payer system. We moved from single-payer through public option to individual mandate trying to catch them and now they say that the individual mandate is socialism. You will never catch this bunny. You will never, so what you need to do is stand for what you believe in and bring a majority around your own ideas and govern. And it's the biggest fallacy on the part of liberals is that that little hound dog running around that track is ever going to catch that bunny and that we will ever be able to compromise enough to appease the right wing in this country so they'll actually govern with us in a responsible way. They have to be defeated at the ballot box by a stable governing majority that can implement the changes that we need in this country, whether they want to participate or not.


I believe the ACA will lead to UHC as people's minds are changed about the 'evil government' mantra they heard for so many years.

It's become more extreme because they are desperate and losing against common sense. They are going to wake up, which is why the Koch brothers/GOP has pulled out all the stops.

It's why the billions they invested to elect their robosigner Romney failed.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:30 AM

9. I think that's the point of *private* insurance

and that's a sticking point of the current ACA. Medicare payments, for example, are made by citizens to a public, government-run not-for-profit fund that is distributed to qualified recipients and with the understanding that it is for everyone's eventual benefit. Private insurance, on the other hand, has historically NOT been designed to be for the common good, but rather for individuals and perhaps their families, with a profit motive for the insuring companies.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 02:36 AM

11. Okay, switching off the what-I-thought-was-obvious sarcasm for a second...

I agree. I think a SPHC system, medicare for all, what-have-you, makes the most sense from not just a moral but also a financial standpoint. I suspect most policy analysts who look at the situation from an unbiased perspective (i.e. as opposed to insurance industry profits and employment, political reality) come to the same conclusion.

That said, there's a range when it comes to the private insurance "industry", as well, which covers for profit companies as well as non-profits which are limited in how much they can pull in terms of expenditures out of member premiums.

Also, another less-touted benefit of the ACA, as I understand it, was (in addition to banning limited coverage or ripoff policies, which comprise the lion's share of the cancellations currently causing the "you told people they could keep their insurance" hubbub) is that it caps the percentage of profit private for-profit insurance entities are allowed to draw off of the till.

So there's that.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 06:48 AM

12. No man should be required to pay for maternity care ...

... if he can prove he wasn't born.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:53 AM

17. I wish I could rec this post.

This is what it boils down to - not prostate vs pregnancy, not ERT vs viagra. Everyone who pays for health insurance should pay for maternity coverage because everyone who pays for health insurance has been born. Only a minuscule percentage had mothers who had absolutely no contact with the medical profession during their pregnancy and birth, and for those, it most likely was because their mothers didn't have health insurance.

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Response to KitSileya (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 05:56 AM

18. You just did. Thanks.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:22 AM

13. If you had the UK's NHS we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Our NHS covers conception to death - no exceptions.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 15, 2013, 10:37 AM

14. Are you from UK?

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sat Nov 16, 2013, 01:33 AM

16. You're a REAL man

To worry about a girl having a baby without resources to help her....Shared cost wouldn't be that much per person in the insurance pool...

I'd curtsy to you, sir, but my back hurts ..... You'll be helping me with my bills too. Thank you ahead of time..

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