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Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:28 PM

Pope Francis Kisses Sick Man With Boils Showing The Healing Power Of Compassion

Pope Francis' compassionate nature was poignantly captured in this image of him tenderly comforting a sick man by kissing him on the head.

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Though the man's face was disfigured with appears to be boils, the Pope laid his hands on his head and screwed his eyes up tightly in prayer. Earlier in his general address, he asked the assembled crowd to pray for a sick little girl that he had just met.


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Pope Francis tweeted earlier this year, "The Pope must serve all people, especially the poor, the weak, the vulnerable." The photos really speak for themselves with regards to his genuine concern for humanity.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/pope-francis-sick-man-boils_n_4227595.html

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:30 PM

1. I'll come clean and admit it...

I saw the thread title and read "Pope Kisses Sick Man With Balls"

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:47 PM

141. Ummmm

Ok I'mma have to break out the double Finger wag
next time you get

are we clear?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:44 PM

256. You have a promising future recording audiobooks.

I'm sure you could unwittingly liven up even the crappiest novels.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:01 AM

294. They should refund your money for those speed reading classes!

LOL

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:41 AM

328. that's a little better than what I saw ....

"Pope Kisses Sick Man's Balls"



Oh my. I *am* going to hell. If there is one.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:32 PM

2. So?...

The man with boils would probably prefer the healing power of modern medicine. Prayer and kisses aren't going to make the boils go away.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:38 PM

7. 1) It's neurofibromatosis, not boils.

2) The "healing power of modern medicine" doesn't cure it.

3) This act of compassion does not in the least prevent the man from getting whatever treatment he is getting.

4) Go tell this man he's wasting his time and walk away.

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Response to rug (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:41 PM

12. Thats what I thought when I saw the picture - thats NF not boils

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Response to kydo (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:44 PM

15. It looks like a severe form of it. I can only imagine what he's gone through.

I expect we'll soon learn more about this man and how he came to be there.

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Response to rug (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:07 AM

278. Certain from what I saw in another thread, he's been in agony for years. His is an advanced case.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #278)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:13 AM

323. I can't imagine how I would handle it.

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Response to rug (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:53 PM

29. I didn't know the name of the ailment

but yes - not boils.

Such an act may at least have cheered the poor soul up a bit whilst acting as a lesson to others to not turn their back on those with such afflictions.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:38 AM

267. Exactly

The point here is the touching display of compassion for this gentleman.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:08 AM

279. You got it.

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Response to rug (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:31 PM

177. Thank you for your dose of common sense regarding NF

He probably has NF1 although I have known a few NF2 folks with the tumors. You are spot on in your second point there is no cure for NF1 or NF2.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #177)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:02 PM

199. Poor man.

How are they treated, are they painful?

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Response to Beacool (Reply #199)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:19 PM

207. Right now there is no cure for

this man's tumors. Some might be painful while others do not hurt. I am only going by what my friends who are quite similar to this man have told me. Some of mine hurt if touched but other-wise they don't hurt. Each NF person is different.

Thankfully, and yes, thank God that there are scientist who are actively searching for a cure. Thank God for the senators who voted for funding from the DoD specifically for NF research.

Beacool - your question is excellent and in my opinion a compassionate one as well.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #207)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:39 PM

225. Thank you for the explanation.

I'm not familiar with this illness. I was just thinking that they might be painful when pressed (sitting, sleeping, etc.). Do they occur anywhere in the body?



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Response to Beacool (Reply #225)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:46 PM

230. The tumors

occur anywhere on or in the body.

From the ctf.org

Neurofibromatosis encompasses a set of distinct genetic disorders that causes tumors to grow along various types of nerves. NF can also affect the development of non-nervous tissues such as bones and skin. Neurofibromatosis causes tumors to grow anywhere on or in the body.


That gentleman's tumors could be benign today but some may be malignant. Many of us are more informed about our NF than most doctors. The younger doctors know more about NF than the doctors who are in their 50's.



It would be great to learn more about this man. I would be willing to be he is a kind soul and not a bitter person.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #230)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:52 PM

235. I agree, he probably does have a kind soul.

This thread has been an education and an eye opener. Thank you for taking the time to educate me on this disorder.

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Response to rug (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:46 PM

258. + a gazillion. nt

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Response to rug (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:15 AM

313. Brilliantly stated!

 

You are quite right, rug.

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Response to Zeke L Brimstone (Reply #313)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:11 AM

321. Welcome to DU, Zeke.



Don't judge DU by some of the responses here.

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Response to rug (Reply #321)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:56 AM

367. I am basically an agnostic

 

However, if religious belief gives some comfort to suffering people, I've no problem.

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Response to Zeke L Brimstone (Reply #367)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:15 PM

432. I am an agnostic too.

I see it the same way as you just stated.

Welcome to DU.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:39 PM

8. Yeah. We all HATE compassion

Who gives a shit if people spit on african americans, right? Simple compassion means jack shit.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:43 PM

13. yes, yes.; YOU are just so qualified to say what he'd prefer

compassion and kindness are no small things, but thanks for that display of your lack of those qualities and your contempt for them.

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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:55 PM

146. And not being rejected for your appearance.

as so many people are.

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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:42 PM

186. Exactly.

!

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:52 PM

26. +1

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:52 PM

28. There is no cure for this. Love and prayer might help this man

feel better emotionally, which would be something.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:13 PM

103. You're better than this comment.

Delete it Sid.

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #103)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:21 PM

114. +1

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #103)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:52 AM

308. Really? Not from what I've seen. n/t

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Response to Old and In the Way (Reply #103)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:42 AM

329. You are far too kind. Seriously. n/t

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:13 PM

104. Yeah, silly Pope should stick to the beautiful people

Pope Third Way I.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:27 PM

123. You've finally out-Dithered yourself. Congratulations.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:30 PM

125. what a completely asinine thing to say, disgusting jerk

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:05 PM

150. that looks like cysts that sometimes are genetic. what is important is that he's redirecting the

focus of a tottering immense edifice away from one thing to another. He reminds me of my favorite pope, John XXIII. Now there was a pope. Given that most people ignore or move away from him including most of us if we were around him too, having the attention of ANYONE in a COMPASSIONATE WAY the actually allows that man to be REALLY SEEN is IMPORTANT. Ask him and he will tell you. It mattered to him I am sure of it. Ask people with port wine stains on their faces how much a compassionate approach means.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:34 PM

180. Nothing will make the tumors go away.

I have friends who look like the man and some look even worse. Check out the name Reggie Bibbs andNeurofibromatosis. Modern medicine cannot heal him either.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:51 PM

194. And if he lives in the US he won't get it. But there in 'Soshulist Europe' he WILL get treatment,

although Neurofibromatosis is not at the moment, a desease that much can be done about it. In Europe, a child with this desease will receive all the available treatment necessary, and I CAN attest to this on a very personal level. VERY personal.

Interesting, are you suddenly in favor of HC for all, as they have in Europe and Canada, but NOT in the US?

Since the man in the photos is in Europe he is most likely getting the healing power of modern medicine you now seem to support, at last, as my young niece did who suffered from the same desease. She did not survive it sadly.

But thankfully she was in Europe and not here in the US where her family would have had to hold bake sales to try to pay the bills.

I can attest as a family member of a sick child who fortunately was not here in the US and DID receive all the necessary medical care for the same condition, due to the fact she lived in Europe, she thrived on the love of many famous people who came to visit sick children, like her, in the hospital and showed her that they cared. a hug from the Pope would have been a wonderful thing for her. She DID receive hugs from some very famous people who prefer to remain anonymous so I will not name them. But our family will never forget their kindness and humanity and how much it meant to a sick child.

This gesture by the Pope means so much to that man, who, hopefully is not an American citizen where he would have been unable to afford treatment, and who is getting all the treatment necessary for his illness.

Our family will always remember those famous people who showed similar compassion and this gesture by this pope is a wonderful example of what human beings ought to be doing rather than fighting to PREVENT human beings here in the US from getting the HC they need.

We will NEVER stop demanding a National HC system here as t hey have in other countries. I despise anyone who would try to deny the sick the same treatment available to people in other civilized countries.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:04 PM

201. Maybe not, but faith does wonders for the soul.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #201)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:28 PM

251. It certainly does n/t

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:23 PM

209. Perhaps something other than the boils was healed by the gesture?

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:05 AM

275. Sid, I think this is more about acceptance than medicine; and being treated as worthy.

Someone has posted on the disease on another thread but I didn't read it,

AFAIK, there is no cure but the social stigma is awful. we had a thread of family who was told to leave a restaurant because their child had NF and it frightened the customers.

This may have been the first time this man has been touched in public in years. That he was kissed by a VIP shows to those who refused to even look at him as an honor.

In this crazy, mixed up world, with as much pain and discrimination as there is today and always has been, this was grace. Disfigured folks are often shunned by the majority.

I understand what you are saying that mediine could be more effective with the disease, but not in healing the heart. This may have been his coming out on the way to a hospital, for all we know.

JMHO.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #275)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:30 AM

326. And this is why

You are always one of my favorites here! Very well said!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #326)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:04 PM

370. That means a lot to me coming from you, thanks.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:35 AM

296. So it'd be better if the pope punched him in the mouth?

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:14 PM

431. There you are again...

showing your lack of compassion or basic human decency, as usual.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:33 PM

3. Maybe hospital could come forward and give him some care

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:34 PM

4. Is the guy with boils all better now?

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Response to Upton (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:40 PM

10. I doubt it looks kind of like inherited condition like NF

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Response to kydo (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:04 PM

87. You beat me to it, that's what it is

It's not contagious but without constant removal of tumors, people become grotesquely disfigured by it.

Chemo and radiation are also used for systemic tumors.

He's still showing compassion to someone most of us would move away from. That simple gesture undoubtedly touched the poor man deeply.

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Response to Upton (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:53 PM

30. They are not boils and he might feel better, emotionally.

It's not like modern medicine has a cure for this disfiguring disease.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:34 PM

5. When you learn to find a smile

Only then in a blazing bonfire
of infinite and superhuman love,
like St. Francis of Assisi, will make brothers
of the tree, the jungle and the beast.

And you will feel in the immense multitude
of beings and things your own self;
and will become fear itself at the abyss
and will become pride itself upon the summit.

Your love will shake the defiling pollen
that stains the very whiteness of the lily,
you will bless the sandy seashores
and cherish the flight of insects;

And you will kiss the briar thorns
And the silky petals of the dahlias…
And piously cast off your sandals
to keep from hurting the stones along your path.

ENRIQUE GONZALEZ MARTINEZ
Mexican Diplomat and Poet

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:22 AM

281. Wow. Thanks Xipe for sharing something as deep as that.

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Response to Xipe Totec (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:42 AM

297. ENRIQUE GONZALEZ MARTINEZ - the poet

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:38 PM

6. DU members comment and show the power of douchebaggery.

Give it a rest... My god.

Not you joeglow.

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:48 PM

20. Disheartening, isn't it?

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:49 PM

22. I agree...This pope seems like a pretty decent guy, WHATEVER you think of Catholicism.

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:06 PM

43. Ain't that the fucking truth!

I'm as cynical as they come, but even I can appreciate the compassion of this gesture.

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:33 PM

54. A beautiful picture showing human compassion

and certain members crap all over it.

Disgusting,isn't it?

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:39 PM

58. Because apparently the new thing is to bitch and complain about christians...

Last edited Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:28 PM - Edit history (1)

And then make fun of them, Its an on going thing. Hey that christian is doing something nice, yeah but he is douche, he believes in fairies and unicorns, what a dumbass. And yet we claim to be better people then the right wing fanatics.

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:17 PM

106. We've always been a target of a small group of people here on DU.

There are several reasons why but none of them has to do with the members personally.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #106)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:10 PM

151. I agree that some of the comments here were way out of line...

...but don't start in with the "poor abused Christians" routine. It's pure bullshit, and I'm completely tired of it.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #151)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:30 PM

175. I never said I was a poor abused Christian.

What I did say is that there is a small group here on DU who refuses to let up, no matter what. I don't feel abused by them because I don't allow it.

From a handful of members I've received nasty comments, even private messages telling me how stupid I am to believe in the "sky man". Guess what? I've learned that there is a function that allows me to block them, which I do.

My brother is also a member here. He's an atheist and he's even admitted that some here take things too far. Tolerance means tolerance. I don't go out and tell people of other faiths (or no faith at all, unless you consider my brother jokingly referring to himself as a Whovian as his faith) how to believe. It's not my place but I also don't have to take it when others choose to make nasty comments about my faith.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #175)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:33 PM

179. Fair enough, but what to you qualifies as a "nasty comment?" nt

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #179)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:42 PM

187. Your first comment.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #187)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:45 PM

188. If that's the case, then you're part of the problem.

But I wasn't asking you anyway.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #188)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:46 PM

189. True you weren't but it still was nasty.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #189)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:25 PM

213. Hardly.

I have three words for you: War On Christmas. Sorry , but some of the comments I've seen on here have mirrored those made by the likes of Faux News, and I'm sick of it.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #213)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:30 PM

216. I am not a fan of fox nor the war on Christmas. And I can call out my fellow Christians for their

behavior as good as anyone else. The Christians on this site are not like that and sometimes we take a lot of crap here for our beliefs. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with someone saying I am wrong and they think my interpretation is wrong. What I don't like is the mean spiritedness shown in this thread.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #216)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:35 PM

220. I don't like it either, and both sides have dished it out . nt

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #220)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:37 PM

223. I don't see believers on this site pushing their views on people or trying to convert people.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #223)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:39 PM

224. Color me shocked at your inability to see it. nt

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #224)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:41 PM

227. Actually I would welcome your opinion on this issue.

how do believers push their views here? or try to convert people?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #227)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:48 PM

232. First tell me how non believers try to do those things in your opinion. Examples would be helpful. n

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #232)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:56 PM

237. Either one of us giving examples could be considered a call out so I think we should talk

in generalities and no names. I will say that when I make a comment on religion I am told I believe in fairy tales. Just look at this thread and some of the nasty things said about the Pope just hugging a guy.

The other day I said I believed in the virgin birth and a poster got nasty with me. I am not saying questioning my beliefs are out of bounds. What I am saying polite behavior would be nice. BTW I never question the beliefs of non-believers.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #237)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:08 PM

243. It's very difficult for an atheist to express to a believer how we view their beliefs without...

...coming off as insulting. I respect your right to believe whatever you like, but the belief itself is a different story. I wouldn't call your belief a fairy tale as an attempt to be insulting, I would call it that because I literally do believe it to be a fairy tale.

There are regularly posts on this forum that promote the "power of faith" that I would certainly say qualify as attempts to promote faith and religion.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #243)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:12 PM

246. Posts in Religion, Interfaith, and the specific religion rooms belong there.

In GD they do not but I rarely see them. But you may see it more because of your prospective.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #246)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:18 AM

325. 3 Pope threads today on GD alone

The front page of the LBN forum was often the same. How many other misogynist, homophobic bigots warrant such a cheerleading squad on DU? Take off your blinders.

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Response to theHandpuppet (Reply #325)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:59 PM

396. I am not going to argue with you over the pope. I will say that you should alert on the pope threads

Religion does not belong in GD.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #243)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:40 AM

318. Can't you see that the term "fairy tale" is insulting.

Fairy tales are something that naïve children believe in, not rational adults. I would suggest another term if you want to come off as not being insulting. "Irrational belief" might be a better choice, since most believers would agree that faith is achieved by reason.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #318)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:09 AM

348. Pretending this pope is a nice and kind, benevolent man is insulting too.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #348)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:17 AM

352. HATE, HATE, HATE!

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #352)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:26 AM

358. Deflect, distract, attack the messenger.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #352)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:30 AM

359. I'm fairly certain that if we start calling believers "irrational"...

...there are few who would thank us for it.

And really, you're going to call the highlighting of the RCC's bigotry "hate?"

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #359)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:39 AM

363. It's better than "childishly naive", which is what "believing in fairy tales" means

What I meant is that faith does not come by reason. The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews admits as much: "Faith is the evidence of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen."

And your calling the Catholic Church "bigoted" comes off as an expression of hatred for it. Indeed, what you wrote might be called "bigotry".

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #363)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:56 AM

366. Is calling the KKK bigoted an expression of bigotry?

This is an organization that actively discriminates against people based on sexual orientation and gender (among many other awful things). Any other organization that was not a church would be lambasted here, and for good reason.

And fair enough, from now I will call believers irrational, and link them to this post should they question it.

I don't hate Christians, nor any religious person, I just hate so many of the things they do often do in the name of their religion, and I hate the indoctrination that leads them to do these things.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #348)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:56 PM

395. Read towards the bottom of the article

where it states that Reynolds resigned his post back in 2011 and had founded a church in 2012. An additional part of the article states that he was holding unauthorized communions.

Sounds like he decided to leave first. It would be an entirely different story if he had still be an active priest in the RCC, outspoken in his views of women in the clergy and gay rights. This says he left on his own accord, two years before Pope Francis was chosen.

After reading the entire article I would think that the excommunication was more in line with him forming his own church, though I would think unauthorized communion would be a zinger.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #395)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:07 PM

398. Yes and no.

"Archbishop Hart explained that Mr. Reynolds was excommunicated because he continued to celebrate the Eucharist publicly after his priestly faculties were withdrawn. He was also preaching contrary to the teachings of the church."

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #398)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 03:21 PM

399. It reads as though the second sentence

was added on by the Archbishop, since supposedly it wasn't actually explained why he was excommunicated. If there's no official explanation by the Vatican itself any number of reasons could be stated. Maybe in Hart's view it was for that reason. Maybe he brought attention to it.

We don't know but the most obvious reason would be that he publicly resigned from his parish, actually left the church and then started his own church. Excommunication does occur for that reason. I personally knew a girl whose father was excommunicated for a similar reason: he met her mother while a priest (she wasn't Catholic), fell in love, resigned and then married outside of the church into his wife's faith. A couple of years later he was excommunicated and that was the most logical reason for it, though technically no reason is given.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #399)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 04:52 PM

406. And why did he have to leave the church to express his beliefs?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #406)

Fri Nov 8, 2013, 06:40 AM

419. Why does anyone leave anything?

Did he really have to leave to express his beliefs? I don't know.

I'm not RCC but there's more to this story. Hell, the local parish priest is in favor of gay rights. He's made that all too clear over the years at public events. He's also made comments, in public, about how women should be allowed to be more involved in the church. He's made the comments, in public, and he's still doing just fine. Others have made comments and haven't been excommunicated.

He chose to leave. He stated his reasons. Could he have stayed and still made those comments? Maybe, maybe not. We don't know.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #243)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:04 PM

423. Amazing! You don't see...

taking an entire world of belief and dismissing it as a "fairy tale" insulting?

And this doesn't even account for the variations in belief-- many of us "Christians", perhaps most of us, don't have any particular identification with an anthropomorphic God, but do use the structure of our churches for guidance in our lives. Buddhists, Ethical Culturalists, Unitarians, many Quakers and others are essentially atheistic, or at least agnostic as far as God goes, but still have rich religious traditions.

Let's say you claim some evidence for the essential goodness, or evil, of mankind and you base your personal ethics on that, without benefit of any gods or anything else supernatural. One or the other would be a "fairy tale." Maybe both. And there's no science that can prove anything either way. Food for fascinating discussion, but not ridicule.

Atheists are as capable of being evangelists as any Christian fundie, and really should stop, just as the fundies should stop. Discussion and explanation are fine, but evangelizing and ridicule are unacceptable.


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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #224)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:48 AM

306. Can I add a....

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #179)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:55 PM

236. A previous pm from a now tombstoned member

referred to me as a stupid f'ing bitch and said that all Christians are the reason why this country is hated by everyone around the world. Another pm once said that, as a Christian, I needed to be skullf-ed.

I've been a member for years and I can say that tolerance has gone down hill on DU. No one has to agree but why do some have to be so nasty about it?

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #236)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:10 PM

245. Both of those statements were way the hell out of line, and I'm glad the member is tombstoned. nt

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #245)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:46 AM

299. The sad thing is that it happens on here more than you think.

The pm system here on DU has offered up some pretty nasty things.

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #175)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:46 AM

269. And on issues where the Church's religious dogma injures non-christians?

Like denial of comprehensive sex ed? Denial of abortion services? Statewide and by law? Denial of end of life/death with dignity protection? Denial of same sex marriage? Contraceptives. Family planning.


This is not just a 'be polite, they are in the room' sort of thing. This church's dogma foments millions opposing very basic human compassion in the ballot box and the halls of our legislatures. To spend millions nationwide on issues like blocking end of life care laws that allow for, in terminal cases, physician assisted suicide. Not just for catholics, for EVERYONE. They even lie about things. Like the 'morning after pill', calling it an abortifacient, based on a study from the 70's that was roundly debunked, and no study since has shown it makes deleterious changes to the endometrium, or prevents implantation. It is NOT an abortifacient.


I will not 'let up'. I will continue to hold up a mirror that shows this church for what it is, right back in its face. The PR offensive for the church does not erase what it is, by its most basic nature. An embrace and a kiss and a moment of tenderness between two people doesn't erase what this church has done, and continues to do, nationwide. Worldwide even.

This is not about you, or your faith. You are a bystander, and I apologize that you are in the crossfire. But I will not relent. The RCC is antithetical to progressive social ideas across practically the entire board. I MUST oppose it, and I'm afraid it won't be pretty by nature. But rest assured, I brook no ill will towards you personally. But I have some uncomfortable things to say about an idea that you may subscribe to. I cannot help that.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #269)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 06:45 AM

298. I'm not a member of the RCC either.

There are progressive Christian faiths but they are shouted down across this board. I tend to give up defending myself because I've had people blast me the rest of the day and have even had them follow me from thread to thread about the subject. The fact is, in the case of Pope Francis, his simple acts are a total 180 compared to Benedict. Change can take a long time, especially in an organization as old as the RCC. Simple acts need to be commended and thoughts outside of current norm need to be encouraged.

FWIW-I'm a member of a reconciling Methodist church. We're still Methodists but we're fighting against a number of the more recent changes in the church-changes that were brought about by zealously conservative members and don't always reflect the views of the body. (The change in the acceptance of abortion and the near acceptance of same sex marriage just a few years ago has all taken a backseat to politics.)

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #298)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:52 AM

309. The problem is that the "progressive faiths" still hold on to almost...

...the exact same scripture as the conservative ones. They also tend to roll out the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy faster than you can shake a stick at when talking about conservative Christians.

And I don't think you'll find a single person here condemning any simple acts of kindness, we're just not willing to forget that the man doing them is at the head of a large and influential conservative organization with which we are still battling on many important issues.

No other conservative organization would get the sort of pass I see the RCC getting here. But it goes beyond just that. Folks that remind people of the facts are labeled as "hateful" and "disgusting" by many here, time and time again. Language not to dissimilar from what was PM'ed to you.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #309)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:47 AM

330. Yes, there are some Christians who will trot out the No True Scotsman

Just as there are atheists who will point to a one Christian or a group of Christians and claim that they are representative of all Christians. The Hasty Generalization is just as fallacious as the No True Scotsman.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #330)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:19 PM

378. True enough. nt

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #58)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:44 PM

138. some of the children here ARE no better than right-wing fanatics. they hate religion

 

as much as the right-wing loves it

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #138)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:11 PM

152. pegging the bullshit meter right there. nt

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #138)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:44 PM

229. Bingo! n/t

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #138)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 05:18 AM

295. As usual, there's an appropriate meme...

 

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Response to xmas74 (Reply #54)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:11 PM

203. It's par for the course...........

There's a bigotry against Christianity that's prevalent on this board.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #203)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:05 AM

331. What's worse is that calling these bigots on their bigotry

Is considered worse than the bigotry itself. I have no doubt that if I were to make equally bigoted statements against blacks or Jews or Canadians or whathaveyou, I would be slapped down. But make bigoted statements against Christians or believers of any sort? That's just fine.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #331)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:24 AM

336. It's the reverse of the conservatives.

In conservative blogs you better be a Christian or you'll get trashed by other posters. In progressive boards it's the opposite, if you're a Christian (it doesn't matter which denomination), someone will feel free to insult and trash your beliefs.

I'm a live and let live kind of person. I have faith and that has helped me to overcome life's problems, but I don't judge those who don't believe in God. I wish that I was afforded the same courtesy. The only thing I ask is that people respect my beliefs as I respect theirs.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #336)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:30 AM

338. +100

You offer words of wisdom and kindness in your second paragraph, Beacool. May the last sentence come true.

ChazII - NFer and also a Christian who shares your sentiment.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #338)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:15 PM

394. Thank you, my friend.

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:38 PM

57. I think it is a beautiful photo

regardless of what one thinks about the Pope, religion or of what disease has disfigured this man.

I am afraid DU has some real haters on-board.

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #57)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:13 PM

418. I agree.

It's a beautiful photo that conveys a wonderful sentiment. It has nothing to do with religion vs science or believers vs nonbelievers. It's just a picture of somebody being nice to somebody else.

Yet some people feel compelled to spread their ass cheeks and take a dump on it. I hope those people die in a fire. (ok..I most certainly don't hope anyone dies in a fire...i'm just trying to say lighten up, and try and see good stuff when it happens, even if you're not best buddies with the person doing the nice thing)

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:46 PM

65. +1

And I'm an atheist.

The douchebaggery is bordering on antisocial behavior, IMO. It's like these people see clear blue skies and desperately search for rain clouds.

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:50 PM

68. For real

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Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:29 PM

174. +1

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Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:24 PM

212. Douchebags do douchbaggery.

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Response to trumad (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:46 AM

305. Disgusting, but not surprising.

Some people just don't get it. I don't know if it's because they're blind to the pain of others, or if they just don't care.

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Response to Gemini Cat (Reply #305)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:52 AM

310. I have to coin a new phrase for some on DU....

You know the type--- trying to show how cool they are with the anti-anything shit. The first to pop in a thread and chime in some negative shit because---well....because they think they're being edgy and cool--- but come away simply looking like idiot douchebags.

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Response to trumad (Reply #310)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:30 AM

316. I don't know, but

"idiot douchebag" seems to cover it fairly well.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:39 PM

9. It looks much more like tumors, perhaps what the Elephant Man had

The poor man -- it's probably been a long time since anyone touched him with compassion and embraced him.

When the body cannot be healed, the heart still can be.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:45 PM

17. NF is not what the Elephant Man had.

He had Proteus syndrome.

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Response to kydo (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:47 PM

18. It's incredibly disfiguring regardless, which was my point. Francis is more interested in his heart

... apparently.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:50 PM

24. Yes n/t

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Response to Hekate (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:56 PM

33. You are correct

And I didn't mean to be short or diminish what you were saying. I don't think the Pope was trying to cure him either. He was providing comfort and compassion. And that is what was important. Most people would have seen this man and ran away. The Pope embraced him. And I agree with everything you said.

The reason I mentioned NF, is I used to do a lot of volunteer work for an NF org. And so many people think Elephant Man's Disease is NF. It is not. Many NF orgs go out of their way to explain the difference. Especially with parents of newly diagnosed children.

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Response to kydo (Reply #33)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:11 PM

153. it appears that the pope read most of the red words in the new testament

Jesus hugged and held the lepers too. I applaud this.

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Response to kydo (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:40 PM

184. Kydo, thank you!!!!!!

It is rare to find someone who actually knows about NF. Thank you for helping educate folks here at DU regarding NF.
I am a second generation NFer. My son looks like Disney's version of Quasimodo due to a large plexiform tumor on his face.

Compassion and understand is what this man needs. Again, thank you as I have somewhat walked in his shoes.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #184)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:22 PM

208. I'm sorry to hear.

It must be hard for your son and for you, people can be so insensitive and cruel at times.

A hug for you and your son.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #208)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:30 PM

217. Your insight

is what helps many of us in the NF community encouragement.

Cruel and insensitive only scratches the surface. Our community has been told to cease having children and then this disorder would go away. The only trouble with that advice is that neurofibromatosis can be a spontaneous mutation.

I need to step of my soap box now. Thanks for the hugs.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #217)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:40 PM

226. Thank you for giving me insight into this illness.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #217)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:17 AM

302. Ugh

People have actually said that? You'd think one would research the condition before spouting off something that extreme. I'm getting to the point where nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to things people do and say and that's not a point I wanted to get to. Such a shame. But try not to let those people get you down. It's all based on nastiness, ignorance or complete stupidity, certainly anyone with those traits are not worth your time anyway.

Best of luck to you

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Response to OwnedByCats (Reply #302)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:51 AM

307. Not to have children

is only the beginning of comments made by the ignorant.

Yes, it does tend to get us down at times but then we take those feelings and use them for something positive. Many NFers choose to get active in fund raising for research.

http://www.ctf.org/Learn-About-NF/Living-with-NF.html

Visit this link and to the right and towards the bottom of the page you can see the different ways to participate in research. Some folks like the Cupid's Undie Run, while others choose to participate with the NF Endurance team. I like to walk.

OwnedByCats, big hugs to you. In the NF community we have the motto, "We might have NF but NF does not have us." People like you help make our day to day life easier.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #307)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:32 AM

317. You're very welcome

my friend! Thank you so much for the information!

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Response to ChazII (Reply #184)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:26 AM

314. I got involved around 1996

I was a huge x-files fan and I had started working with a wonderful friend from Canada, (I was and still am in the Orlando Fl area) on a Gillian Anderson website. This site was just a fan site but it eventually became her official website. In the beginning people would want to send her gifts for her birthday etc. And I came up with this idea after reading an interview where she talked about all the gifts and how she would rather people donated to NF. Her mother ran a NF support group in Michigan. Gillian's younger brother had NF.

Anyway the idea was to have an online auction during May which is National NF Awareness Month. The first year x-files fan donated items and we auctioned them online. This was before e-bay. This was the first of its kind. It raised $7,000 that first year.

Not long after that Gillian's mom called me and we started working together on many things. For the next auction her mom got Gillian to donate a few things and we raised $21,000. By this time Gillian caught on and really started donating stuff and for the 3rd year we raised $98,000.

She would donate stuff like a visit to the x-files set. Or tickets the wrap party. Signed scripts, x-files props. It was crazy. In the end this auction raised about $678.000 and a lot of people became aware of NF.

Gillian was a real trooper when it came to NF. Sadly her brother passed away a couple of years ago. He was 30, and passed due to a tumor in the brain. But Gillian and her mom are still active in NF.

If I know my state flags it looks like you are in Arizona. They have some wonderful NF support groups. A lot of kids camps.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:55 PM

32. +1000. nt

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:41 PM

11. He better pray the guy doesn't have mercer

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:43 PM

14. Very sweet.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:45 PM

16. So when are we going to see stories where Pope Francis shits rainbows and pisses unicorns?

 

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:48 PM

19. Is the reality of this too much for you?

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Response to rug (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:49 PM

23. Has he walked on water yet?

 

I held the door open for a handicapped person today. Where's my news story?

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:50 PM

25. I see it is.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:58 PM

37. Wow. As much as you would like to claim otherwise, you REALLY crave attention

Too bad.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:30 PM

127. you have what you wanted

You deflected the attention from a lovely display of warmth and compassion and you made it about you.

Negative attention will suffice for some

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:57 PM

36. You sound like the kind of hater who would shits ON rainbows..

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Response to whathehell (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:02 PM

39. I just eat them.

 



FYI, I hate how everyone glorifies the leader of the catholic church who is anti-gay, anti-women, and is complacent in covering-up priests fondling little boys.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #39)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:13 PM

155. a man did something genuinely good for another man, something that I am

CONVINCED you would not do and yet, YOU are the hero of the revolution. Sad, sad. sad.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #39)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:51 PM

234. Yeah, I bet you do..

You spew it out pretty well, too.

It's not "glorifying" someone to give them credit for a compassionate act.

Viewing people and situations in "black and white" is a sign of an immature and simple mind

Please grow the fuck up.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #234)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:02 PM

239. Well that's very Jesus-like of you.

 

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #239)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:08 AM

300. Glad you think so..

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:03 PM

40. Do you think we need your opinion EVERY

single time you dislike a post? You seem to quite consistently negative. It's boring.

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Response to vanlassie (Reply #40)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:04 PM

41. And here I thought the function of a discussion forum is to only post nice things

 

that everyone agrees with.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:08 PM

45. Was that needed. It was a moment of compassion.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:04 PM

149. You're the kind of guy athiests and Christians can hate together

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #149)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:13 PM

156. plus eight trillion

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #149)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:08 PM

244. You win.

That is all.

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #149)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:23 AM

265. Well said! nt

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #149)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:09 AM

301. LOL!

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Response to TekGryphon (Reply #149)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:08 AM

311. Yes!

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:31 PM

178. What a sour puss you

seem to be.

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Response to 840high (Reply #178)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:06 PM

241. No.

 

I'm tire of seeing sensationalistic journalism articles posted about a guy that's anti-gay, anti-women, and covers-up priests molesting boys hugging people with disfigurements and being boasted as the greatest person that has ever come on this earth since the mythical Jesus.

And they say I'm the uncompassionate one.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #241)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:17 AM

333. Yes, you are being uncompassionate

A Christian leader lives up to the example of Christ, and you sneer at it.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #333)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:18 AM

335. The pope is complacent in the cover-up of priests fondling boys, and I'm the bad guy here?

 

Okay. That makes sense.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #335)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:09 AM

349. There is no evidence that Pope Francis "is complacent in the cover-up of priests fondling boys"

So yes, you are the bad guy here. You are certainly filled with hatred.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #349)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:08 PM

373. Wow.

 

If I am the bad guy here, I hate what you qualify as being "good".

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:17 AM

280. It's not about the Pope. He's just the messenger. We all have or will have, afflictions.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:48 PM

21. It's threads like this, with the few absurd remarks that make DU disgusting to me..Get a life FFS..

Low posters....

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Response to monmouth3 (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:52 PM

27. Exactly.

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Response to monmouth3 (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:54 PM

31. Maybe some DUers don't think the Catholic Church should be glorified...

"Religion is an insult to human dignity" - Steven Weinberg

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:56 PM

34. No one's glorifying the Church. Someone posted about a very kind act

by the Pope, that probably meant a lot to this suffering human being.

That is all.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:25 PM

51. For me it's BECAUSE he's the most powerful man in the Catholic Church

I'm not Catholic, or any religion for that matter, but I do read and the sorts of things that I've read about the Catholic Church in the past several years--particularly about their leaders--makes this story such a refreshing one to read. All I can think is "How in the world did this man become Pope? How did he get approved by those in power who seem so opposite of what this man appears to be?".

It's not about the man being magically cured, it's about how it must have felt to have been had one of the most powerful figures in his world show such kindness, acceptance, and compassion right there in front of others who probably shunned or feared him. You know that it's got to be devastating to have to leave with a disfiguring disease like the one this man is suffering from. People fear you, they shun you, they don't want to touch you out of fear that what you have is catching. To have the Pope show such open compassion is heartwarming.

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Response to joc46224 (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:00 PM

80. When I was in High School

There was a lady in town who had this condition and was near as bad as this guy.

The kids used to call her warthog and laugh at her and even though I was a kid I felt really bad for her.

So yeah I remember what that lady used to experience, and the Pope doing that was all about the core message of Jesus. That we are all in it together, even the outcasts, and those maybe we see as not worthy are deserving of love and respect and human kindness.

That the truly holy are not the ones setting in a cave and meditating but the people who actually get out and help their fellow man with all his and our imperfections. Great act.

He was doing exactly the opposite and canceling out what was done to that lady I knew. Made me glad to see it.

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Response to joc46224 (Reply #51)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:07 PM

96. And the man will carry this memory with him for the rest of his life.

And it will mean a lot to him, because he is a Catholic or he wouldn't want to be there.

I'm also wondering how Pope Francis ever got elected. It's hard to believe they knew what they were in for!

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:05 AM

276. There are a lot of issues that would relieve the suffering of a lot of people

that the church ardently opposes, in opinion, in the courts, in the legislatures, and in the ballot boxes.

Some of them suffering more, MUCH more, than even the man pictured with the pope there.

So color me unimpressed.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #276)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:19 PM

425. So you're another in the...

"Not Good Enough" camp?

Just how would you like to see this group of a billion or so people change to meet with your approval?

Or is it just so easy to pitch a bitch on an anonymous discussion board?

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #425)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 01:13 PM

428. Welcome to the conversation. I already listed several material issues downthread.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 06:56 PM

35. Agreed.

 

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #35)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:20 PM

426. You would.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #426)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 02:03 PM

430. Of course.

 

Otherwise, I wouldn't have said "agreed".

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:01 PM

38. Perhaps an insult to human dignity to you, not to everyone. Pray to Steven Weinberg..n/t

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:29 PM

52. Maybe some DUers don't think douchery should be glorified...

“World is so beautiful, but alas! There are so many assholes.” ― M.F. Moonzajer

rug

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Response to rug (Reply #52)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:37 PM

56. Oh look, another Catholic priest being sent to jail for sexually abusing children...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/catholic-priest-finian-egan-guilty-of-30-years-of-sexual-abuse/story-fni0cx12-1226753069167

He only did it for 30 years. You'd think maybe the Catholic Church would have done something about it during that time.

As far as I'm concerned, The Catholic Church is the largest criminal organization in the world. And the Pope is the Capo.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:40 PM

59. Yep.

 

But how dare we for not falling in love with him over photo ops.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:43 PM

60. They were fawning all over him about his choice of car too...

because he drives himself around in a little shitbox, instead of being driven in the Popemobile.

Francis has a good PR team, that's for sure.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #60)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:43 PM

62. Yes he does.

 

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #59)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:16 PM

158. no one asked you to. no one needs you to tell them what to think about an

act of kindness you would never give yourself.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #158)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:06 AM

277. "an act of kindness you would never give yourself."

Says who?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #277)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:58 AM

344. Well, someone as apparently consumed by hatred as yourself likely would not

You damn the Catholic Church for all sorts of things. Well, so what? I am very well aware of the failings of the Church; indeed, I have posted at length on some of them on other threads. But that does not mean that I fail to recognize and acknowledge and even applaud a good and decent act of the Pope.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #344)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:07 AM

347. I'm consumed by 'hatred' for pointing out that while the PR hand of the church keeps

putting out these warm fuzzy images, the other hand of the church has people who are truly suffering by the throat? For the sake of their metaphysical claims that don't even apply to all people?

Why would a person even think to allow them a moment's respite from recognition of the church's barbarism, for the sake of one moment in time?

Just look at the comments in this thread. Substitute George Bush for the pope. If he gave this man a tender embrace and a kiss, would you be posting like others in this thread, about what a good man he is, and how you really like THIS pope, and all this optimistic nonsense...

This pope only seems moderate, because he's a centrist, and the former pope was a FAR hard right pope. Francis just excommunicated a priest in Australia because he supported same sex marriage, and women becoming members of the laity. So they kicked him out. Then he started his own church, and for that, the Pope himself excommunicated him. The order came from his office.

I will not ignore the iron gauntlet on his other hand, just because his PR TEAM offered us a picture of his velvet gloved other hand.

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #344)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:18 AM

353. "Consumed by hatred"

I think it's interesting how an institution that has been consumed by hatred of the "other" (women, gays, etc.) gets a pass time after time.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #56)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:45 PM

63. Is that the best you can do?

People acknowledge a very human act of compassion and you shout, "Pedophile priests!"



How stupid do you think people are?

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Response to rug (Reply #63)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:57 PM

74. No, I didn't shout "pedophile priests" in response to the picture of ...

the "healing power of compassion"

I brought up pedophile priests after you accused me of douchery for not genuflecting at the altar that is the glory of the Catholic Church.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #74)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:00 PM

79. You think I accused you of douchery "for not genuflecting at the altar"?

Try again.

2. So?...

The man with boils would probably prefer the healing power of modern medicine. Prayer and kisses aren't going to make the boils go away.

Sid

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Response to rug (Reply #79)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:01 PM

83. That's not the post you replied to when you accused me of douchery...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #83)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:03 PM

86. There are so many . . . .

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Response to rug (Reply #86)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:06 PM

92. Not nearly enough showing the RCC for what it really is...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #92)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:08 PM

97. Plenty enough showing Sid for what he really is...nt

rug

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Response to rug (Reply #97)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:18 PM

107. And you too, rug...

but that's been pretty well known for years.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #107)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:22 PM

115. Oh, do go on, Sid.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 07:33 AM

304. So that means ALL

priests do this? How would you like it if every time an atheist molested a kid the world assumed all atheists are child molesters? So ridiculous beyond words.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:32 PM

132. you sure he wasnt talking about you

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:14 PM

157. yes. Steven Weinberg, the secret name of God.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:17 PM

247. EVERY human being is capable of compassion

It's sad that you can't see that. How cynical does one have to level an attack at a fellow human being for showing compassion to that poor man.

And I say this as a very lapsed Catholic who disagrees with the church on basically everything.

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Response to BuddhaGirl (Reply #247)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:18 PM

248. Where exactly did he/she level an attack on ANYBODY for showing compassion? nt

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:31 AM

339. Maybe because they are Democrats, DUers appreciate Compassion when they see it and are not

interested in bigotry of any kind, such as refusing to accept kindness from people simply because of their ethnicity and/or religion.

Maybe this is why we have two parties here in the US. One is filled with nasty, ugly minded haters of anyone they don't agree with, the other is for those of us who want a better world, a world where humanity trumps hatred for those different from us eg. Among other things such as HC for all Americans.

I belong to the second party and totally love what this Pope just did.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:16 PM

424. Maybe some DUers don't see this...

as glorifying anything-- just a random act of kindness from the leader of the largest religious organization on the planet showing us how he understands the words of Jesus and how we should be.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:04 PM

42. Whether you believe or not, compassion and kindness are works people can do.

Seeing the invisible sometimes means "seeing" what -IS- visible.





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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:07 PM

44. Is the fucker going to change any church policies?

Or are we just supposed to love him because of his photo op's?

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #44)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:09 PM

46. YOU'RE A MEAN POO POO HEAD!!11111

 

How dare you don't fall in love with him because of photo-ops!!!!11111111ELEVENS

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #44)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:48 PM

67. See, what you purposely misinderstand is that picture is church policy.

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Response to rug (Reply #67)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:53 PM

73. It's the cute pope pic of the day

We have been getting these every few days since the guy won his seat. Seems very much like there are a lot of people that want this guy to be loved even though he is doing jack shit to change the shitty policies of the church. Until he decides to do so... Fuck him.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:57 PM

75. Do you see anything cute in that picture?

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Response to rug (Reply #75)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:01 PM

81. It's just more shit to make him a warm and fuzzy pope

What about policy changes... Think anything will actually change?

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #81)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:02 PM

84. I see. You consider an act of human compassion to be "more shit".

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Response to rug (Reply #84)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:05 PM

90. I consider the policies of the church to be shit...

I consider the constant 'look at what a great pope he is' stories to be 'more shit'.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #90)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:07 PM

93. What do you think of his action today?

Phony? Insincere? Calculated? Shit?

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Response to rug (Reply #93)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:10 PM

100. That would about cover it

With the abhorrent policies he supports why should I think any different?

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #100)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:11 PM

102. Because human beings tend to recognize an act of humanity when encountered.

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Response to rug (Reply #102)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:18 PM

108. Phony acts don't deserve recognition

They deserve to be pointed out as such... If he had any humanity he would do something to change the disgusting policies of the church. All the cheesy photo op's in the world won't make those changes, he will have to do it... Or even better, those supporting the churches policies will stop following them and stop giving money to support them.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #108)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:21 PM

113. If it's phony, it deserves to be pointed out by more than trite canned talking points about the RCC.

So far you've covered six of the usual nine and still managed to miss the humanity of this gesture.

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Response to rug (Reply #113)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:23 PM

117. And you have yet to acknowledge any failings in the church...

To you they are just 'talking points'... Thats pretty fucked up.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #117)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:26 PM

122. If this thread was about that I would. But it's not.

It's not about pancakes either much as you may dislike them.

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Response to rug (Reply #122)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:29 PM

124. Ahhh.. only pope praise allowed...

Fuck him.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #124)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:30 PM

129. I hate pancakes.

Fuck pancakes.

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Response to rug (Reply #113)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:00 AM

273. You may have missed that, some of us are unimpressed by the 'humanity of this gesture'

because basic human compassion toward others is the norm, not some superhuman feat of majesty from such an important, and revered ordinary mammal.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #73)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:07 PM

94. "cute pope pic of the day"...

fucking nailed it.

Sid

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #44)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:18 PM

206. Yes, this can change policy

If he succeeds in refocusing attention throughout the church on caring about people, then that is the start of the road to ultimately changing policies which are inconsistent with reflecting their own ideal of the love of their god.

Surely you can understand that.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #206)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:28 PM

252. ummmm... He's the pope...

Infallible in matters of religious doctrine? No? He could make changes if he wanted... These endless dog and pony shows we are getting in GD to show what a great guy he is are not going to do it.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #252)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:47 PM

259. Are you even a Catholic?

Why do you even care about policies of a religion that means nothing to you and your attitude of hatred? Seems to me he is doing more in this single picture to make the world better, through a kind gesture to a single man, than you have with your countless posts that do nothing but criticize everyone but yourself. Sorry, but, you kinda suck - hard!

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #259)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:53 PM

261. Wow, wtf, dude?

You really think the Catholic church and its polices only impact Catholics? If you do, then you're living in a damn dream world. Look at how actively they've campaigned against things like contraception, gay rights, etc. They don't exist in a damn vacuum!

I mean for fucks sake, look at what the actions of the Catholic church have done to make the Aids epidemic so much worse by spreading disinformation about condom usage??

"Attitude of hatred" my ass. I'm glad the Pope is showing compassion to this sick man, because his church is helping to kill thousands more elsewhere.

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Response to eqfan592 (Reply #261)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:06 AM

263. Doesn't look like they have changed your views...

on any of the claims you have cited. People make their own decisions - if they choose to follow, lead or do nothing is their decision.
Do you get this fired up about GMOs, air pollution, tainted food and illegal chemical dumping? Things that are profit driven that you don't have a choice in being affected by.
There is a lot of hate to be dished out...this just seems trivial since you have a choice is what you wish to believe.

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #263)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:50 AM

286. Once again your fail to see the point.

The church regularly acts to influence people outside of their faith, including through the legislative body. Are you trying to say that the church gets a pass on these activities because it's a religion?

And yes, I get just as fired up about a lot of issues (tho not GMO's because there's no solid evidence to show they are dangerous). I think this irritates me a bit more only because so many progressives seem so willing to forget the evils of this organization because its leader has demonstrated since basic human kindness, and any attempt at reminding them of these evils is met with derision and scorn. I can think of no other conservative organization to which some progressives would react in the same way.

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #259)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 08:55 AM

319. Non-sense

He perpetuates evil against women, LGBT and anyone of a different religion... Fuck, he is head of one of the most evil organizations ever known to man. Yet... You want to compare the murder, bigotry and misogyny he represents to a handful of posts that oppose such things... Yeah... Good thing you are not being duped through your fear of death into supporting such a PoS... oh wait...

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #319)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:34 AM

340. I don't push my beliefs (or lack of) on others...

And I am not about to throw crap at other people's beliefs because I am angry about how my life has turned out, and have a need to blame it on someone that a lot of people like. If someone makes a gesture of kindness that someone deserving feel good...why would I want to discredit the act?

Good thing your parents taught you not to be a dickhead to everyone else that doesn't share your exact views... oh wait...

By your logic, that makes your parents perpetuators of evil and intolerance of others. So in your words: "Fuck them. They are pieces of shit!"

Whatever - I hope you have a better day... To help, here is fine drawing of a bunny to help...

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #340)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:56 AM

343. Calling out homophobia is being a dickhead?

Calling out misogyny is being a dickhead?

oh... It offends your beliefs and they should be allowed to trump the hatred you support...

Yeah...

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #343)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:57 AM

368. No. Lack of tolerance for others beliefs = dickhead.

Just because you are on a crusade to support something you strongly believe in, let's just say gay rights, do you expect everyone to share that same passion about it? Or should those that have no interest either way, just stuff a sock in their pie hole?

In contrast -
Does that mean you shouldn't try be tolerant of people that believe a fetus is a living being? Do you need to protest their public marches because that is not what you believe? Or do you think that since you are not planning on getting knocked-up any time soon, maybe you should not judge what a woman does with her body, within the confines of our current laws?

I'm certain you will try to pull something out of context and get your buddies to pile on and make some strawman out of something I never stated.. For the record, You do not offend me and my belief (or non-belief). But the fact is still the same - You are being a dickhead to others around here, and that is my only point. This post was about a man hugging another man to let him know that he cares about him. If it was the Dali Lama or Donald Trump... the act stands on its own as a decent act from one human to another, and yes, in a very small way, it made the world a better place for the two individuals involved. It had no affect on your life what-so-ever. You were the one that had to drag this into a pissing contest. You did not contribute to making the world a better place for those on this thread, and I don't see images of you dining with lepers... If making the world a better place is NOT your prerogative, then how can you be so vocal about human rights for others topics?

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #368)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:09 PM

374. So you're saying we should tolerate the intolerant. gotcha.

And trust me, theirs no need to pull anything in your post out of context, it's bad enough on it's own.

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #368)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:11 PM

375. Yes... I expect everyone here should support full equal rights for gays and lesbians

In fact, it is part of the ToS:

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear:
This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians
; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

And yes, anyone who does not should just stuff a sock in their pie hole. Fuck 'em, they have no place here... Fucking trolls.

"Does that mean you shouldn't try be tolerant of people that believe a fetus is a living being? Do you need to protest their public marches because that is not what you believe? Or do you think that since you are not planning on getting knocked-up any time soon, maybe you should not judge what a woman does with her body, within the confines of our current laws?"

No, I have zero tolerance for people that believe they have a right to control women because their fairy in the sky says so. Fuck them as well.

"I'm certain you will try to pull something out of context and get your buddies to pile on and make some strawman out of something I never stated"

Please... Clearly state your stance on these matters so they cannot be taken out of context.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #375)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:37 PM

382. ...And ToS includes: "religions or lack thereof"

You have had a field day on being intolerant towards Catholicism across this entire thread.

So... as your were saying about pie holes...

...because their fairy in the sky says so. Fuck them as well.

yet another borderline ToS violation.

Please... Clearly state your stance on these matters so they cannot be taken out of context.

This thread is about a simple act of kindness. I like it when people are kind to others. Doesn't matter who is the giver. Doesn't matter the recipient. Kindness never caused a war. When someone feels the need to get angry over an act of kindness, and lash out at others, it usually means they are a miserable person or simply a dickhead. That is my stance.

Oh, I forgot.. you are on the MIR Team for this go around.. so I'm sure these rules do not apply to you! Thanks for your service, I'm sure you are making the world better through your service and willingness to see the world through an unfiltered, unbiased view.

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #382)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:41 PM

384. So... You do not want to clearly state your position?

I'm shocked... or not

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #384)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:10 PM

386. I did.

On the topic: "Man kisses sick man = act of kindness"
I was very clear on my stated position.

As for bringing in off-topic baiting questions to attempt to undermine the value of my views on the topic at hand... Start a new thread and if I have something constructive to inject, I will. I simply disagree with your actions towards others on this thread. I don't know you and I hope to be a part of another thread where I see you treat others with an ounce of respect that you too deserve. I didn't come on here to put down any groups or belief. I came on this thread to let you know I think you are being rude to others. If you don't think you are being rude and intolerant of other people's beliefs... maybe you need to reread your posts from another perspective - if that is even possible for you.

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #386)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:21 PM

388. No, you did not... You hinted at them and then claimed I would take you out of context

Why be afraid to state yourself clearly?

"If you don't think you are being rude and intolerant of other people's beliefs... maybe you need to reread your posts from another perspective - if that is even possible for you."

What perspective should I see that allows for homophobia or misogyny? Please explain that perspective to me... I'm listening.

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #386)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:26 PM

389. "I think you are being rude to others."

Thought I was the only one that noticed.

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Response to ChromeFoundry (Reply #386)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:27 PM

390. We should ALL be intolerant of intolerance.

This entire thread was about more than an act of kindness,. All over the place you see people talking about how great this pope is, as if he's actually halted the church's discrimination based on gender and sexual orientation, or worked to bring the sex offenders in the church to real justice, or fixed any of the other major issues the church has.

He was nice to a child, a sick man, and said that they shouldn't concentrate as much on discriminating. Color me completely unimpressed.

I have to wonder if all Christians feel their faith is somehow entwined with the RCC as it seems any time the churches discriminatory positions are highlighted, many Christians treat it as a direct assault on them and their personal faith.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #252)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:54 PM

262. We may disagree about the pope but I agree these posts belong in religion.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #252)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:15 AM

332. And the next guy can change it back

I get the impression he may be more interested in a deeper cultural and mission refocusing of that organization, which has a greater potential to change minds than simply telling people what to think.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:36 AM

341. Any thoughts on the man he is being so kind to? Or is it all about simply hating someone because of

their religion or ethnicity or some other perceived difference?? I am so happy to see that incredible gesture of kindness to a human being whose, in their entire life probably experienced little kindness due the that terrible desease. I imagine he too was called names because he is 'different', in fact I would bet on it.

It is wonderful to see kindness no matter who it is coming from. Imho, of course.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #341)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:06 AM

346. Equating religion and ethnicity makes zero sense.

Religion is chosen, it is not a perceived difference, it is a choice to hate that a person makes. An act of kindness is all well and good but it does not make up for continued evil.

Let me know when he starts welcoming the LGBT community into the church and be treated as equals, allowing them to be the humans they are instead of telling them they are evil... Then we can talk about perceived differences.

Let me know when he is going to allow women to be treated as equals instead of second class citizens responsible for mankind's fall from grace... Then we can talk about perceived differences.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #346)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:05 PM

371. Let me know when a gesture of kindness to a person who has experienced little kindness is their

lifetime should be dismissed or called evil because of the religion of the person who is making that gesture.

This pope has begun to address the issues you mentioned, the first pope to do so, admonishing Right Wingers for their attacks on Gays and their focus on abortion rather than, as he pointed out, the issues that actually need to be addressed such as the devastating poverty in the world. If you do not see the significance of someone in his position slapping down the anti-Gay and anti-abortion crowd, that is your problem.

I remember being told, possibly by you in fact, re some of Obama's policies, that 'he can't change things instantly just because you want him to, he has to do it slowly' or words to that effect.

I would imagine, if that was a sincere assessment of some of Obama's disappointing policies, the same would be said about this pope beginning to try to turn around centuries of wrong policies.

Otoh, if those words were merely to protect someone, who himself btw, is a Christian who was, up to a short time ago opposed to Gay marriage, then I wouldn't expect any consistency.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #371)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:23 PM

379. Comparing the pope to the President also makes zero sense...

"I remember being told, possibly by you in fact, re some of Obama's policies, that 'he can't change things instantly just because you want him to, he has to do it slowly' or words to that effect."

I very may well have said that... I'm reasonably certain I have said similar in the past, though I do not remember who I said it to... I do believe it though and support that statement. The President is not the supreme leader allowed to do whatever he wants, the pope is and that makes a huge difference.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #379)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:01 PM

393. You are wrong. In fact, a US President has far more power to affect policy changes that

adversely or positively can directly affect the lives of other human beings than a pope does.

The only area where a pope has power like that is on matters of Doctrine, which is a very narrow framework. He can have opinions, and this pope has lots of them but he does not have the power of a US president to influence law eg, that would affect the lives of others.

I among millions of others across the globe, am very happy to see how this pope has used his position to try to end the kind of fundamentalism that is very prevalent in THIS country. The US president is not a religious leader and is far more free to hold opinions that are counter to religious beliefs. Yet it took this president a long time to go against his own faith, and admit that all Americans are entitled to the same civil rights. Religion should play no role in the politics of a democracy such as this one. We PRETEND to be a secular state, yet our leaders have all been Christians and display their faith constantly, including the current presidents, whose own religious beliefs influenced his opinions when in fact they should not have.

Religious leaders otoh are not politicians who represent all of the people in a particular nation, so we know what to expect from them. I don't expect politicians to push their religious beliefs on me or anyone else, yet they do in this country.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:10 PM

47. Displays of compassion like this mean something.

And taking this opportunity to attack him means something as well.

There is plenty of room to hate on the RCC. This is not one of them.

This man may not have been kissed for a very long time.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:11 PM

50. It is no surprise to me that people are just mean at times.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #50)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:35 PM

55. I'm no longer surprised. Sad, but not surprised.

You keep teaching by example, justin.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #47)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:52 PM

71. Agree. On all those points.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:10 PM

48. I can not say I am surprised by the responses to this post.

It just figures.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:11 PM

49. This poor man obviously suffers tremendously--I hope his spirits are lifted. Getting blessed by

the Pope is a very huge deal for Catholics.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #49)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:05 PM

91. Thank you.

If the Pope's compassion lifts this man's spirits for a few hours or a few days then the Pope has done well.

I am glad this pope has been able to rise within the ranks of the Catholic Church and still hold true to its most basic tenants of compassion for the sick and the poor. Some people are more spiritual than others. I like what I see. (Church doctrine is another matter.)

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:32 PM

53. i like this Pope.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:43 PM

61. I'm cynical. I'm an asshole.

I think this is very sweet and I sort of like this pope. And I'm an aetheist.

I know people want to make jokes or lament that this display will somehow prevent this man from seeking out science (he probably doesn't even have the money to do that, so no, it wouldn't.), but I literally felt my heart melt when I saw this picture. The power of compassion pretty much defies all the petty shit people want to throw out there to pretend this doesn't make them uncomfortable.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:46 PM

64. Whether or not it's NF1, I'll speak as someone with NF1. Kudos Francis.

In 60 years, I have never met anyone that looks like me. I remember each and every empathetic gesture I've ever received. Including the simple act of normalcy - seeing beyond the physical difference to just see me.

My NF1 expressions are easily obscured by clothing. I can only guess at this guy's experience. The Pope's gesture brought tears to my eyes.

One positive side effect, I learned early to look beyond "disfigurement" in others. Not ignore it but accept it as part and parcel of the whole person.

Say what you want about religion. This man's gesture was priceless. Believe me. ~ pinto

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Response to pinto (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:50 PM

69. This is the best I can do, pinto.

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Response to pinto (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:50 PM

70. I was hoping you would weigh in here, my dear friend.

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Response to pinto (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:59 PM

77. I'm happy

that the Pope's gestures make a difference to you. Hopefully they do to many others who are suffering.

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Response to pinto (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:43 PM

137. Thanks folks.

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Response to pinto (Reply #137)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:51 PM

193. Pinto, will you take 1 more hug?

My bumps as I call them can no longer be easily hidden. As I said in another post somewhere in this thread my son looks like the Disney version of Quasimodo. He was called freak and monster from his stroller days until 6th grade. Finally, in middle school his peers turned human and the names ceased.

Maybe right now should be NF Awareness month instead of May.



To anyone else with NF or

To learn more please visit ctf.org
Join the NF Endurance team if you are runner. But please educate yourself. NF folks are some of the most emotionally strong folks I know and I have been luck to have participated in marathons with the NF team.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #193)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:17 PM

204. Of course. And back at you both.

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Response to pinto (Reply #64)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:31 PM

218. I'm glad you spoke up.

In this world where cruelty, cynicism and malice, seem to prevail far too often; a simple gesture of compassion is a ray of sunshine among the muck.

I'm sorry about your illness, it must have been so tough growing up with it, kids can be very cruel and adults can be insensitive.

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Response to Beacool (Reply #218)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:49 PM

233. Thanks. This is something I wanted to weigh in on.

(aside) I've never really seen it as an illness. It's medically benign in my case. But definitely a physically graphic difference among everyone else. That's been the thing. And it's been an interesting experience.

Oddly, I never felt different, personally. I was and am exactly who I am. So I see it from another point of view. I've never been anything else.

Other people's point of view changed some of that.

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Response to pinto (Reply #233)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:58 PM

238. I'm glad that in your case it's benign.

It's good to be true to oneself. When one is very young one cares too much about other people's opinions. As one grows more mature, one learns not to care so much. At this point, I won't take crap from anyone. If someone constantly brings me down, I simply stay away from that person. Life is too short. Who needs the aggravation?

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:48 PM

66. Really Great Pope


All the really important things in the teachings of Jesus, the new pope really seems to be trying to emphasize them.

I always thought the Dali Lama was a really incredible religion leader. New pope really shaping up to be.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:52 PM

72. My middle name is Thomas...

"Thomas the doubting one" and I'm also a twin...this man Francis is restoring my faith, he wishes to serve all.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:58 PM

76. "Showing The Healing Power Of Compassion"

So, the guy was healed afterward?

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:59 PM

78. Hahaha.

 

You win the thread.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #78)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:01 PM

82. You come in second for laughung at incurable disease.

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Response to rug (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:02 PM

85. Yes.

 

I was laughing at the incurable disease. I definitely wasn't laughing at Kelvin Mace's remark:

So, the guy was healed afterward?


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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #85)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:04 PM

88. The situation is so fertile for raucous laughter and high fives.

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Response to rug (Reply #88)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:07 PM

95. Who needs a doctor when compassion can cure everything?

 

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:10 PM

99. Are you confusing his actions with a HuffPost headline?

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:23 PM

118. I see a pattern

I don't think doctors can exist wihtout compassions.

For a while I see hardcore atheist acting exactly like the ones here. They crap on good things about religion because it does'nt fit thier - belief system-

The people I know that are always pushing atheist are getting more and more crazier and acting like the ¨you win the thread¨ comment.

I'm from Montréal and we have this whole quebec charter value and I don't like religion but that does'nt make this charter right. And each time I debated it with people, the ones that came out vulgar and assholish are the super anti-religion hardcore athseist.

Interesting.

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Response to dead_head (Reply #118)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:30 PM

126. I was going to say welcome to DU but I see you've been here five years. Post more often.

We've been following the Quebec Charter over in the Religion Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/121895698

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1218

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Response to rug (Reply #126)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:56 PM

196. thanks

I'm from Montreal, and I have a very strong opinion about this charter.

Long story short; it's not about religion but about getting votes from the part of the population that's afraid of immigrants.

Really strong atheist have co-opted the secularism word to change it to anti-religion (in my opinion)

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Response to dead_head (Reply #118)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:33 PM

133. I am an atheist

and have no love for this church or this Pope. Yet, I am genuinely pleased to see him do things like this, and wish he would do more of them. I criticize religion for the harm it does, and praise people, not religion, for the good they do.

I am not anti-religion, but if religion is going to insist on inflicting its beastly society on our political process, then they should pay their dues (i.e. taxes) like the rest of us. I am not a big fan of bullies who abuse people, then claim exemption from the law because "religion".

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Response to dead_head (Reply #118)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:10 PM

202. You see a pattern? Like what? Atheists don't like religion?

Be careful not to confuse a confirmation bias with an epiphany. Most of the atheists I recognize in this thread are supportive of the Pope's gesture. And the kvetching atheists, though prolific, are relatively few in number.

Even I am feeling a little misty.

--imm

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Response to immoderate (Reply #202)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:32 AM

291. True

I have to agree.

It's a particular type of atheists that are being close-minded.

Most of them are not.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:30 PM

128. How can you glibly dismiss an act of compassion based on a headline?

Say it was an MD kissing the man's head. The "healing power of compassion" would apply as well. The MD would likely know there is no medical cure. Yet, an act of compassion may well be the best the MD could do. And a healing gesture on his part.

What if it was the guy's mom? Or dad?

I'm taken back by what I feel is your shallow take on this one simple thing. Perhaps not shallow, but conflated with your take on religion. Please don't use this to conflate the two.

Thanks.

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Response to pinto (Reply #128)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:48 PM

142. If, I may give all the benefit of a doubt

It is getting too damned easy to be cynical about things people do, especially leaders, politicians, celebrities and religious figures. All of these people have given us plenty to be cynical about. I agree with your take on the "healing power of compassion" as you mean it, but the headline writer revealed his cynical aims by failing to properly identify the disease, instead making the lame Biblical reference to "boils".

My annoyance at the writer, led me to a snarly remark, which then provided fodder for this current disagreement.

I needed to be more specific in my words in this instance, rather than going for the cheap laugh as I did. In essence I have committed the same sin as the headline writer, and for this I apologize.

I seek to be a better person, and have failed at it so far. Perhaps tomorrow I will be more successful.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #142)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:58 PM

148. You already are.

No need to apologize. I get it.

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Response to pinto (Reply #128)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:22 PM

162. every time a kid goes on a make a wish venture it is compassion helping

to heal a moment in time for someone sick. healing compassion. You don't have to get well to be healed. Some people on this thread will never know that. I hope they never get sick in a way that makes them outcast to others.

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Response to pinto (Reply #128)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:03 PM

240. Is it an act of compassion to hide the fact that priests molest boys for decades?

 

The pope is the very definition of hypocrisy.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:19 PM

160. no one said that as you well know. it was one man giving love to another.

sue us.

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #95)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:47 PM

191. Do you think all illness is visible to the naked eye?

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #95)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:06 AM

264. Are you really that obtuse or do you

just play at it for kicks?

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #264)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:42 AM

268. This is just an exercise on how so-called christians aren't so christ-like.

 

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #268)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:51 AM

272. What the pope or DU?

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Response to Vashta Nerada (Reply #268)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 09:12 AM

322. No, it's an exercise on how some people

can't resist the opportunity to crap on those intellectually inferior people who don't see the wisdom in their snarky pronouncements.

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Response to rug (Reply #82)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:26 PM

121. I think

he was referring to my jibe at the headline writer who debased an act of real human compassion for a cheap headline. A cheap, inaccurate headline.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #121)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:32 PM

131. No problem.

He hasn't had a good thing to say about this throughout the thread.

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Response to rug (Reply #131)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:38 PM

134. *sigh*

Just wanted to clarify my remark. I am sorry this is turning into a friction point. What Bergoglio did was very humane, and I resist other cynical imputations.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #134)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:23 PM

164. life is a process. everyday is a new battle. At least you are aware of the

struggle, my friend. that makes you my hero.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:05 PM

89. No, but I'm sure it made him feel a hell of a lot better

to have some human contact instead of seeing everybody drag their kids away from him in case it's contagious.

It's not.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #89)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:09 PM

98. I know it is not

and he also doesn't have boils.

While I applaud the Pope's action, the headline writer has to go. He took a actual decent act of human compassion and cheapened it into click-bait.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #98)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:11 PM

101. No shit.

"Disfigured man" would have covered it.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #101)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:22 PM

116. The writer thought he was being clever

making a "Biblical" reference.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #101)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:02 PM

198. Warpy

My son has a plexiform tumor in his face due to NF1. The social worker on the cranio-facial team called my son facially challenged and scolded me for using the term 'disfigured'. I shook my head and told her that her term was ridiculous.

Thank you for helping others to learn that NF is not contagious.

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Response to ChazII (Reply #198)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:06 PM

242. Bowdlerism at its worst!!

The craniofacial social worker was a dimwit for that one. Disfigured is correct and that's what they were called in to fix.

I think sometimes the clumsy term only makes the whole thing worse.

There's a worse one than NF, bullous pemphigoid. It's auto immune, not contagious, but even well educated and experienced nurses want to double glove just to walk past the room.

I've only seen a couple of cases, one flown in to Mass. General from Argentina. It's quite rare.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:16 PM

105. I'll go there. You've no idea.

Folks can laugh all they want. It has nothing to do with religion, per se. It's about simple compassion, which is powerful. And healing.

Yeah, probably not healing in the medical sense. Yet compassion is a two way street. Everyone heals a bit along the way.

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Response to pinto (Reply #105)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:21 PM

112. Again,

my problem is with the headline writer.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #112)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:31 PM

130. Got it.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #76)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:46 PM

190. You mean this guy's condition hasn't caused any scars on his psyche?

Wow....you must be psychic to be able to tell that this man carries no inner wounds at all!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #190)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:36 PM

221. Again, read my posts

My dig was aimed at the headline writer. What was done was great, what the headline writer did was cheapen it.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #221)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 10:47 PM

231. I think that's a little knee jerk...

For example when this guy wrote this headline...

New Yorkers Drop-Kick Michael Bloomberg And His Legacy Over The East River


He didn't mean they literally kicked Bloomberg over the river...


It's a bit of poetic license...

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:20 PM

109. No one is more skeptical than I am.

But 4his is 5he 1st Pope of my generation that seems to be practicing the teachings of Christ. For that, this practing ex-Catholic gives him the kudo's he deserves.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:21 PM

110. I'm an atheist...

And I can admit religion does have some positive aspects. This kind of compassion is religion at its best -- loving, accepting, and valuing the least fortunate among us.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:21 PM

111. This thread is so much of what's wrong in this old world.

People that can laugh, make fun of, and bring up the rape of children in this thread, have zero compassion so they can't relate.

Hell, I'm not catholic. I don't worship, or even like, any pope. But, I can understand the compassion he is showing to a fellow human being that probably never even gets touched because of his disease.

Compassion, people! It's a human emotion. Not a religious emotion.

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #111)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:42 PM

136. so much hate from democrats -

 

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #111)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:21 AM

354. So people who are concerned/angry about the institutionally protected rape of children

have no compassion, huh. Wow, we've gone through the looking glass.

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:25 PM

119. i am liking this man. many of the catholics i know deserve this. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #119)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:45 PM

139. i am too he surprises me

 

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Response to joeglow3 (Original post)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:25 PM

120. It's useless to kiss people with terminal cancer.



I'd rather shake hands with that guy than corporate whores and incurable assholes.

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Response to jsr (Reply #120)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:45 PM

140. That man leads an organization that denies compassionate care for people in just the situation you

describe.

There are people dying of bone cancer in states where medically assisted suicide is not an option in part because of the political opposition of this 'church'.

Painkillers do practically nothing for it.

A humane option we give to our pets, I was legally denied from extending to my own father when he begged for it, and I'll give you one guess which 'church' bankrolled the opposition to legalizing that option.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #140)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 08:51 PM

143. Are you suggesting this man kill himself?

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Response to rug (Reply #143)

Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:23 PM

163. No. I am not.

I am pointing out this is not a compassionate organization. I addressed this in my first post in the thread. Which you read.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #163)

Thu Nov 7, 2013, 11:13 AM

350. The only thing you have managed to point out