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Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:05 AM

 

Abstract thinking can make you a more politically moderate. University study.

I find this experiment quite interesting regarding recent topics about moderates vs. liberals or more strongly held or ideologically pure views.

Partisans beware! Some of your most cherished political attitudes may be malleable! Researchers report that simply answering three “why” questions on an innocuous topic leads people to be more moderate in their views on an otherwise polarizing political issue.

The research, described in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science, explored attitudes toward what some people refer to as the ground zero mosque, an Islamic community center and mosque built two blocks from the site of the former World Trade Center in New York City. When the Islamic center first was proposed it sparked a heated debate pitting proponents of religious freedom against those who felt the center should be moved away from the site of the 9/11 attacks out of reverence for those killed by Muslim extremists.


http://www.news.illinois.edu/news/12/1102abstract_thinking_JessePreston_DanielYang_IvanHernandez.html

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Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 OP
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #1
Chan790 Nov 2013 #2
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #5
Chan790 Nov 2013 #7
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #12
Chan790 Nov 2013 #14
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #18
quinnox Nov 2013 #13
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #16
Union Scribe Nov 2013 #25
Fumesucker Nov 2013 #28
mythology Nov 2013 #30
arely staircase Nov 2013 #32
quinnox Nov 2013 #3
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #6
cali Nov 2013 #9
cali Nov 2013 #4
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #10
cali Nov 2013 #11
cali Nov 2013 #15
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #17
cali Nov 2013 #20
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #21
Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #22
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #23
delrem Nov 2013 #8
quinnox Nov 2013 #19
laundry_queen Nov 2013 #24
woo me with science Nov 2013 #29
Skip Intro Nov 2013 #26
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #27
rock Nov 2013 #31
Pretzel_Warrior Nov 2013 #33

Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:32 AM

1. kick

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:40 AM

2. We don't need moderation....you should get off that horse. n/t

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:43 AM

5. it would be funny if someone was banned from DU for promoting moderate views?

 

in fact, doesn't the fact that we have moderators on DU sort of lend credence to the notion that our society does better with moderation?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:49 AM

7. We don't have moderators. We have hosts who are disempowered to moderate.

and we have MIRT who hunt and expel trolls and disruptors; they are also disempowered to moderate.
and we have site-owners/admins who are unabashedly liberal.

If anything, that rebukes your notion that this society does better with moderation.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #7)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:53 AM

12. "hosts" are empowered to lock threads. community is drawn upon to jury immoderate comments

 

and such posts are then either hidden or kept. What is more, such alerts go to MIRT and admins where they can make determinations beyond merely whether a particular post was offensive/extreme/over the top.

So despite the fact that you want to play semantics with the word moderator--DU does have moderators--whether you want to admit it or not.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:56 AM

14. SKinner has said repeatedly we don't have moderators. QED.

It's not my "semantic games" and I don't think it's the admins' either. I think they explicitly set-up a radically moderator-free system.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:01 AM

18. lol. if you say so. this is a wild west board with no controls whatsoever.

 

nothing is moderating our conversations here. you are right. wow. thank you for proving me wrong. lol.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:55 AM

13. Maybe it is time to give extreme progressives and liberals a chance

 

to govern, God knows it couldn't hurt. It certainly couldn't be worse than what we have been doing for the past, oh, 40 years or so.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #13)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:58 AM

16. they have to get elected first. The last "extreme conservative" to get elected was Reagan

 

my research says we may not quite be there for a very progressive candidate in 2016. The last extreme liberal to get elected as president? I guess it depends on anyone's definition of it.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:20 AM

25. Your research?

Are you starting a moderate think tank

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:27 AM

28. Evidently you were on another planet during Dick and Dubya's Excellent Misadventure n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #28)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:51 AM

30. I assume the other poster is referring to the fact that Bush the lesser

was a "compassionate conservative" and not a traditional conservative. Granted that was obviously just campaign speak, but they didn't sell the Bush team as unabashedly conservative.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:42 AM

3. Moderation has brought us to where we are today

 

And it is not a pretty picture. America desperately needs some radical non-moderate liberals in power to make fundamental changes.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:49 AM

6. what is your thesis for that? that it wasn't arch conservatism that broke this country?

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:51 AM

9. Corporatism broke this country and going along with arch conservatives in the name of

"moderation".

but then YOU admiringly post wingnut articles full of false equivalency and comparing Tom Harkin to Ted Cruz.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:42 AM

4. So why do YOU post articles by right wing nut jobs that use false equivalency?

You know, like the one you just admiringly posted by Diana Medved.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:51 AM

10. I frankly didn't know who Diane Medved was until you highlighted her name

 

I read the USA Today column and thought it made sense. Maybe that is a clue here. Does the fact that I read her words and agreed with her mean I am a religious Jew as she is? No. Does it mean I have the same social conservatism views as her? Absolutely not.

What it does say is we can find common cause with a lot of people--even ones we don't agree with on many things.

I didn't see her presenting false equivalency--I saw her defending moderation as a principle.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:57 AM

15. Look, I don't mind people finding common cause- Leahy working with Rand Paul

on reducing sentences for drug users, etc. That is NOT the gist of that disgusting piece of shit article you so lovingly posted.

Says everything about you that you love a wingnut article that bashes Tom Harkin and calls him an extremist.

good job at letting us see where you're really coming from, pretz.

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Response to cali (Reply #15)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:59 AM

17. why not say that in THAT thread and use this thread to comment on THIS article?

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:03 AM

20. Oh, no you don't. YOU posted this op which is DiRECTLY flowing from

the other.

You made it clear that you admire an article that calls out Tom Harkin as an extremist as much as Ted Cruz.

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Response to cali (Reply #20)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:11 AM

21. I posted this one before I posted the other 2. Also, to correct you

 

Diane Medved does not in any way create an equivalency between Ted Cruz and Tom Harkin. That is you conflating it. In fact, most of the names she mentions in her piece are the conservative extremist noise machine of Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Cruz among others.

What she does say is that Harkin believes the sooner Democrats get back to a progressive populist message, the better and says "the left" bashes anyone striking a moderate tone as avoiding the need to focus on populist issues.

You made it up. There was no comparison of Ted Cruz and Tom Harkin as though they are equivalent cases of extremes.

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Reply #10)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:11 AM

22. Really. It makes sense to call Tom Harkin an extremist? How about

you give an example of his extremist views.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #22)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:12 AM

23. I already corrected cali. The author did not call Tom Harkin an extremist. merely quoted him.

 

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 02:51 AM

8. "moderate" is the most weaselly word in the political lexicon.

It's used when things really fucking extreme are being shoved down people's throats, and people are being told to suck it up because it's "moderate". It's used when the 1% (or .01%, more like it) have agreed on a plan to fuck over the 99.9%, and figure they can easily do it because they own the MSM. The MSM that promotes exactly that kind of "moderation" by denying everyone else a voice.

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Response to delrem (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:03 AM

19. +1000

 

yep

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Response to delrem (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:18 AM

24. bingo nt

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Response to delrem (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:37 AM

29. +100000 Yep, it's a sick Orwellian corruption of the word.

War is Peace.
Ignorance is Strength.
Freedom is Slavery.
Chained CPI is Superlative.
Drone Murders are Legal, Ethical, and Wise.
Corporatism is "Moderate."

There is absolutely nothing "moderate" about what's being done to this country.

Indefinite detention, "kill lists" and drone wars, pre-emptive war as administration doctrine, spy centers and a massive surveillance state, internet IDs and internet-censoring measures like ACTA, military drones in American skies and militarized police departments, prisons that profit from caging more of us, coordinated violent crackdowns against peaceful protesters, strip searches for any arrestee, corporate education deform, new drilling and selling off the Gulf of Mexico, job-killing free trade agreements, big agriculture appointments, bailouts and settlements for corrupt banks, austerity budgets, and attacking Social Security and Medicare in an economy that has already impoverished its middle class.....

.....These are not moderate or centrist positions. Not by a long shot. These are extreme corporatist, neocon, and police state policies, not "centrist" or moderate at all. And they are coming from corporatists in both parties.


THIS is the distribution of wealth in which our "moderate" President advocates cutting our social safety nets and fast-tracking the Trans-Pacific Job and Wage Killing Agreement:











Incomes Flat in Recovery, but Not for the 1%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014400736

Top 1% get 121% of income gains since 2009 (100% of new income + 21% from your old income)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022384139

U.S. corporate profits stronger than ever, workers' wages fallen to lowest-ever share of GDP (CNN)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021922334

U.S. Income Inequality Now Worse Than Many Latin American Countries
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268073

Ranks of working poor increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022200197

Inequality Rages as Dwindling Wages Lock Millions in Poverty
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022198286

The Middle Class In America Is Being Wiped Out – Here Are 60 Facts That Prove It
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022144851

Child poverty rates increase unabated
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022268450

40 Percent of Americans Now Make Less than 1968 Minimum Wage
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111631016

Corporate Profits Have Grown By 171 Percent Under ‘Anti-Business’ Obama
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014372334

US poverty on track to reach 46-year high; suburbs, underemployed workers, children hit hard
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002998131

Poverty, hunger among retirees increasing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002748342

The Economy is "Recovering" By Creating More Low-Wage Jobs... Increasingly Filled By Graduates
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022602162

"Recovery" in US is lifting profits, but not adding jobs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014414149

Obama to use pension funds of ordinary Americans to pay for bank mortgage settlements
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002205218

What Recovery? Across America, People in Distressed Cities and Small Towns Face Economic Catastrophe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022545596

Real wages decline; literally no one notices
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11172387

Wall Street Soars with Wealth as Wages Stagnate, Jobs Remain in a Slump
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12526154

Wages for bottom 90% declined 1.2% during 2009-2011 recovery, top 1% income grew 8.2%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022271466

Three Minimum Wage Jobs Needed To Afford Two-Bedroom Apartment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022578738

Wages have fallen to a record low as a share of America’s gross domestic product.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022183930

The Real Numbers: Half of America in Poverty -- and It's Creeping toward 75%
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002290698




Obama's 2013 budget: One area of marked growth, the prison industrial complex
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/1002392306

Obama selects the owner of a private prison consulting firm as the new Director of the United States Marshals Service (USMS)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/12/mars-d03.html

Private prison corporations move up on list on federal contractors, receiving BILLIONS
http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

"Since President Obama’s first day in office the Corrections Corporation of America and The GEO Group have been awarded $1.7 and 1.8 billion dollars in federal contracts, respectively. And beginning in October 2011 the Corrections Corporation of America has taken its place as the government’s top contractor whereas the GEO Group comfortably maintains the third-place position. Finally, according to USAspending, over one-quarter of private prison contracts have been established under “non-compete” agreements."

Prison Labor Booms As Unemployment Remains High; Companies Reap Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/prison-labor_n_2272036.html


Financial growth of the private prison industry:






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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:47 AM

26. Abstract thinking as opposed to what?

Is abstract thinking wrong?

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #26)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:48 AM

27. did you read the article about the research?

 

and no...abstract thinking is not wrong?

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Response to Pretzel_Warrior (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 09:14 AM

31. Abstract Thinking as opposed to

you know ... Freedom!

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Response to rock (Reply #31)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:07 AM

33. Lol. I guess so.

 

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