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Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:36 AM

Soooo like the people working around the world for AIDS had to take a pledge against prostitution

http://www.medindia.net/news/american-groups-working-against-aids-no-longer-mandated-to-take-pledge-against-prostitution-120878-1.htm

I don't understand this one at all. The reason for this article is they banned it but I had no idea it was even going on.

American Groups Working Against AIDS No Longer Mandated to Take Pledge Against Prostitution


The US Supreme Court ruled that American anti-HIV groups who work in countries around the world are no longer needed to take a pledge against prostitution with the court stating that it was a violation of free speech.

"We know that stigma plays a huge role in driving the global AIDS epidemic and this was a very stigmatizing law against a population that is one of the most vulnerable in the epidemic," said Chris Collins, director of public policy at amfAR, the Foundation for AIDS Research.

In 2003 programs that received US funds under the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR), a global program devised by former president George W. Bush, were required to make an anti-prostitution pledge in order to receive funds.

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Reply Soooo like the people working around the world for AIDS had to take a pledge against prostitution (Original post)
Maraya1969 Nov 2013 OP
dballance Nov 2013 #1
Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #2
Chan790 Nov 2013 #9
jberryhill Nov 2013 #3
Maraya1969 Nov 2013 #4
JDPriestly Nov 2013 #5
freeplessinseattle Nov 2013 #8
dsc Nov 2013 #6
Bluenorthwest Nov 2013 #7

Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:11 AM

1. Typical RW moralistic crap

Note this was during the Bush years.

Apparently, those sinful prostitutes who have no other way to make money and provide for their families should die from their sins.

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Response to dballance (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:24 AM

2. I don't understand why people who were supposed to be working with people in that profession in

other countries, as a helper to teach them about safety and hygiene etc. should have to take a pledge for themselves. As if they are going to fall prey to the lure of prostitution just because they are working with prostitutes.


Yea it sounds like a right winged thing about control and oppression.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:22 AM

9. The article makes this somewhat clear...

but I believe the pledge was to not provide anti-AIDS services or work with prostitutes or in cultures that practiced or accepted prostitution. The second part that was upheld was that no funds can be used to promote prostitution or the legalization of prostitution.

It was not to my knowledge a pledge to personally not use the services of prostitutes which is also something I do not believe was happening with any great frequency...that's ultra-high risk behavior in many of the areas they're working in.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:43 AM

3. What does that mean?

Against patronizing them? Against engaging in it themselves? What did they pledge to do or not to do?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 01:50 AM

4. They pledged to not engage in prostitution during the length of time that they were employed

by the government. As if these people can't control themselves or someone decided that they could not make their own decisions.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 03:20 AM

5. Maybe the programs hire some of the AIDs victims to talk to people

and the government did not want those hired to be prostitutes. That's the only scenario I can envision.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:10 AM

8. They weren't supposed to help sex workers at all

because that would be like enabling or something I guess. Idiots.

"Our colleague organizations have documented numerous examples of the pledge's harmful effects, such as a condom shortage among sex workers in Mali, the withholding of safe sex information from young male sex workers in Cambodia, and the closure of community-based health centers in Bangladesh," she said.

"Evidence, not ideology, should drive policy governing public health programs."

According to Melissa Hope Ditmore, the editor of the Encyclopedia of Prostitution and Sex Work, the policy had a range of effects on US groups working in Africa and Asia that wanted to help sex workers as part of their strategy to end HIV transmission.

"Some closed, some hid them, some didn't publicize things that were effective and others turned down the money," she told AFP, calling the court ruling a "great improvement" for organizations on the ground.

"They will now be able to talk about good programming they have done with sex workers. They will be able to talk about evidence-based programming, instead of ideologically based programming, which is what this promoted."

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Response to Maraya1969 (Original post)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 07:39 AM

6. It actually gets even better

Randal Tobias was the official charged with enforcing the pledge. He wound up having to resign due to having used an escort service. No, I am not making that up.

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Response to dsc (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 08:25 AM

7. Link for that, right here. April 27,2007

Deputy Secretary of State Randall L. Tobias submitted his resignation Friday, one day after confirming to ABC News that he had been a customer of a Washington, D.C. escort service whose owner has been charged by federal prosecutors with running a prostitution operation. Tobias, 65, director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), had previously served as the ambassador for the Presidentís Emergency Fund for AIDS Relief.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2007/04/senior_official/

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