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Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:29 AM

Should the Koch Brothers be arrested and tried for sedition and/or treason?


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YES. The Koch Brothers should be arrested and charged with sedition and/or treason.
9 (47%)
NO. The Koch Brothers should not be arrested on charges of sedition and/or treason.
10 (53%)
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Reply Should the Koch Brothers be arrested and tried for sedition and/or treason? (Original post)
Nye Bevan Nov 2013 OP
Jeff In Milwaukee Nov 2013 #1
cali Nov 2013 #4
Agschmid Nov 2013 #22
Shrike47 Nov 2013 #2
cali Nov 2013 #3
Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #14
dairydog91 Nov 2013 #5
lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #6
Buns_of_Fire Nov 2013 #9
lostincalifornia Nov 2013 #11
RKP5637 Nov 2013 #7
cali Nov 2013 #8
Agschmid Nov 2013 #23
JEFF9K Nov 2013 #10
cali Nov 2013 #12
cali Nov 2013 #13
dairydog91 Nov 2013 #15
sir pball Nov 2013 #25
cali Nov 2013 #26
Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #16
cali Nov 2013 #17
HappyMe Nov 2013 #18
cali Nov 2013 #19
HappyMe Nov 2013 #20
gopiscrap Nov 2013 #21
cali Nov 2013 #29
gopiscrap Nov 2013 #30
Mz Pip Nov 2013 #24
LittleBlue Nov 2013 #27
DontTreadOnMe Nov 2013 #28
longship Nov 2013 #31
bowens43 Nov 2013 #32

Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:37 AM

1. Oh for fuck's sake...

Will we EVER stop with this nonsense? Change the laws on lobbying. Overturn Citizens United.

They are not guilty of sedition and they REALLY aren't guilty of treason. This dead equine has been flogged sufficiently.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:48 AM

4. Flogged but not yet flayed, evidently.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:45 AM

22. +1

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:42 AM

2. But it's not gonna happen.

They have a right to their opinions, as stupid as they are.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:47 AM

3. no. jaysus.

shortsighted is the kindest thing to be said for those folks voting yes. and here's the thing I find most troubling: I know that some of those voting yes are smart cookies.

And if you arrest the Koch Brothers, holding to that standard- or whatever it is- who else do you have to arrest? All the teabaggers in the House? Ted Cruz, Mike Lee in the Senate?

What about Governor Walker?

Mike DeWine? The board of the Heritage Foundation?

Scalia and the other wingnut Justices?

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:31 AM

14. Interesting that you choose to defend the Kochs on a progressive website.

Just kidding
Actually shaking my head at the 70+ % voting yes.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:52 AM

5. They should be subject to Trial by Talking Point!

Nevermind that pesky Constitution.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:52 AM

6. People should try to boycott their products as much as they can. Hurting them in the pocketbook is

a worse fate for them


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Response to lostincalifornia (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:00 AM

9. I try, but the Kochtopus has its tentacles somewhere in almost everything. nt

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:05 AM

11. We just do what we can. I know they are invasive

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:57 AM

7. They are playing the game the system has created. n/t

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 09:57 AM

8. I actually find it frightening that DUers believe this.

Hell, why not just send them via tumbrel to the guillotine? And fuck the Constitution. Fuck trials or a defense. Or hey, how about just lining them up on the edge of a lime filled pit and shooting them in the head by the thousands. because if you believe that the Koch Brothers deserve arrest for sedition and treason, you HAVE to believe that thousands upon thousands are equally guilty.

what the fuck is wrong with you people?

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Response to cali (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:47 AM

23. It is scary...

They are bad people... But then some people dive into the deep end.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:01 AM

10. There should be laws to deal with the way Republicans are ruining the country. ...

I'm pretty sure that Fox News and talk radio trick millions of people into voting Republican. Why isn't that considered ELECTION FRAUD?

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Response to JEFF9K (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:15 AM

12. ack. seriously? then is MSNBC "tricking" people into voting democratic?

no, of course it's not election fraud.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:29 AM

13. I wish someone who voted yes could explain their vote

and answer a few questions

If the Koch brothers should be arrested for sedition and/or treason, shouldn't thousands of others who are engaging in the same shit also be arrested?

What precisely (that we know of) have the Koch Brothers done that rises to sedition and/or treason?

what's to stop wingnuts from making the same argument about people on the left- that they're guilty of sedition/treason? (and they have)

Are you serious about this or just kind of goofing or blowing off steam?

If you're serious, do you see as potentially setting a bad precedent?


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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:37 AM

15. Senate Democrats should be arrested for sedition under their logic.

Near as I know, the House passed several budgets, which funded almost everything except ACA implementation. Why shouldn't Senate Democrats and/or the President be arrested for sedition on the grounds that they refused to pass those budgets?

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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:18 PM

25. I'll second that, and even provide a crib sheet

Here's the relevant chapter of the USC that covers "Treason, sedition, and Subversive Activities". Since we're still theoretically a nation of laws, you have to pick something from that section to charge them with...so make your case, Counsellor.

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Response to sir pball (Reply #25)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:28 PM

26. nice addition. Somehow I think that "Counsellor" will fail to appear.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 10:38 AM

16. FFS.

 

When the hell is this shit gonna stop?
They're assholes, but they're in no way seditious assholes, much, much less treasonous assholes.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:07 AM

17. 20 little despot wannabes all in a row

no different from teabaggers who think that Soros should be arrested for sedition/treason.

ignore the Constitution as long as it's to achieve your goals? check and check

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:21 AM

18. Um.... no.

Being an asshole isn't against the law.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:37 AM

19. they're more than mere assholes. They actually are actively destroying

democracy in this country.

Unfortunately, there is NOTHING FUCKING ILLEGAL (bold meant for mindless idiots who think that arresting them is legitimate) in their methods- insofar as we know them

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Response to cali (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:44 AM

20. Yeah, I know that they are seeking to

trash democracy. But as you said, they haven't done anything illegal. I think all this sedition and treason talk is pretty goofy. I don't understand why people would consider that a good plan. Sooner or later they may fuck up royally, then charges can be brought based on the fuck up.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:44 AM

21. absolutely

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:36 PM

29. so here you go:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-115

what do you charge them with? And as is real life, you have to be specific- you can't just say "Seditious Conspiracy" because what they allegedly did has to rise to to actions that rise to the legal definition.

I've read the statutes and there's a reason it won't happen: It has no basis in the law; charging them with sedition/treason- not to mention that logically, if you charged the Koch Brothers, you'd have to charge Antonin Scalia.

In any case, this should be filed under 'f' for frivolous fantasy

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Response to cali (Reply #29)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:41 PM

30. ah, you rained on my parade.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 11:47 AM

24. As far as I know

They are operating within the law. They may be arrogant .01% ers but unless laws are changed they are free to buy political influence.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:32 PM

27. No, that's crazy

Anyone advocating this hasn't thought it through.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:35 PM

28. National level boycott of Koch products will do it

no one seems to care enough to boycott them.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 12:50 PM

31. The US Constitution says no.

I won't bother with the citation since this particular horse has been beat to death already here. If people are too lazy to read the thing, and too ignorant of its historic context to understand why this isn't treason or sedition, any citation would likely be wasted.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 01:36 PM

32. No of course not. That is just silly.

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