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Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:43 PM

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Reply Old White Man Causing Trouble Again... (Original post)
MrScorpio Oct 2013 OP
BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #1
MrScorpio Oct 2013 #2
BumRushDaShow Oct 2013 #5
Auntie Bush Oct 2013 #3
DavidDvorkin Oct 2013 #6
Hekate Oct 2013 #7
DavidDvorkin Oct 2013 #11
greiner3 Oct 2013 #12
DavidDvorkin Nov 2013 #18
defacto7 Nov 2013 #43
BrotherIvan Nov 2013 #38
DavidDvorkin Nov 2013 #39
defacto7 Nov 2013 #45
Lordquinton Nov 2013 #41
chervilant Nov 2013 #52
whopis01 Nov 2013 #20
DavidDvorkin Nov 2013 #29
whopis01 Nov 2013 #50
LanternWaste Nov 2013 #21
DavidDvorkin Nov 2013 #31
chervilant Nov 2013 #54
DavidDvorkin Nov 2013 #55
chervilant Nov 2013 #58
JBoy Oct 2013 #4
47of74 Nov 2013 #44
JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #8
ajk2821 Oct 2013 #14
russspeakeasy Oct 2013 #9
gtar100 Oct 2013 #10
Not Sure Oct 2013 #13
awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #15
Rozlee Nov 2013 #23
awoke_in_2003 Nov 2013 #27
Rozlee Nov 2013 #40
Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #16
Sophiegirl Oct 2013 #17
idwiyo Nov 2013 #19
daybranch Nov 2013 #22
UtahLib Nov 2013 #24
BlueMTexpat Nov 2013 #25
chervilant Nov 2013 #53
BlueMTexpat Nov 2013 #59
chervilant Nov 2013 #60
BlueMTexpat Nov 2013 #61
AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #26
leftyladyfrommo Nov 2013 #28
Rex Nov 2013 #30
11 Bravo Nov 2013 #32
Wait Wut Nov 2013 #34
Wait Wut Nov 2013 #33
DLevine Nov 2013 #35
TxDemChem Nov 2013 #36
Name removed Nov 2013 #37
RebelOne Nov 2013 #42
defacto7 Nov 2013 #46
graywarrior Nov 2013 #47
Faygo Kid Nov 2013 #48
ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #49
lupinella Nov 2013 #51
Ian_rd Nov 2013 #56
calimary Nov 2013 #57
DiverDave Nov 2013 #62

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:45 PM

1. Make it so! nt

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:47 PM

2. Happy Halloween!

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:12 PM

5. He's just so silly.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:47 PM

3. I hope ALL men are listening and watching.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:23 PM

6. What makes you think that ALL men need to?

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:48 PM

7. Perhaps you have a son, brother, or friend who could use your guidance.

Make it so!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:32 PM

11. My son received my guidance long ago

He has no need to listen or watch. Neither do I. Neither do vast numbers of men. And that was my point.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:12 PM

12. Holy crap dude;

Lighten up a bit!

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Response to greiner3 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:31 AM

18. What a foolish response

Broad-brush condemnations should not be ignored.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:52 PM

43. Looks like you don't know the difference between

condemnation and a statement of support. "Broad-brush condemnation"? You have to be kidding; your's was the only broad-brush and you're painting the wrong house as well.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:43 PM

38. Often well-raised, compassionate people care about the plight of others

They work to make sure no one need suffer. Your mileage may vary.

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Response to BrotherIvan (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:45 PM

39. Of course, but that doesn't require that they pay close attention to messages

imploring them to be what they already are.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:20 PM

45. "require"?

"Hope" does not equal "require". You personalize the comment as if there is no one else here but you. It's not about you if you decide it's not. If you want to tell us about your experience, fine. If you want to invalidate a supportive comment because you have a personal issue.... think a bit more.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:11 PM

41. Great here's your gold star

Last edited Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:08 PM - Edit history (2)

The point is over there, in case you missed it.

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Response to Lordquinton (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 07:06 PM

52. Wooooooooosh!

The sound of resentful, defensive men missing the point...

(If "vast numbers of men" felt this way, rape, sexual assault and relationship violence would be rare and remarkable!)

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:45 AM

20. Because if all men followed that message

it would end male violence against women.

Stating that ALL men should watch and listen to that message is not a condemnation of ALL men. As you point out further down in the thread, you and others in your family already do listen (and promote) that message. But until ALL men do the violence against women won't end.

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:38 PM

29. Some women murder their babies

By your logic, all women should watch videos lecturing women not to murder their babies.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #29)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:20 PM

50. No - you are failing to see my point.

To begin with, why are you talking about videos and lectures? There was no video or lectured posted or talked about - at least not that I saw.

There was the comment made by another poster saying "I hope ALL men are listening and watching". Clearly (as there is no video to watch or lecture to listen to) this is referring to the message being delivered and not a particular medium such as a video or lecture.

So if you would just relax the rules of literalness a little, I think it is easy to interpret that statement as "I hope ALL men understand this".

My point is that you interpreted it as a condemnation against all men - including those who would neither be violent towards women nor condone such violence - I don't believe it was meant as such, nor did I read it as such.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:22 AM

21. Much as the warning signs at public swimming pools are applicable to all want to go for a nice, rela

Much as the warning signs at public swimming pools are applicable to all want to go for a nice, relaxing swim...

Some already know the safety precautions, others may not-- but rare is the sign I see that prefaces itself with "if you're an experienced swimmer, practice common sense behavior and maintain this throughout your visit here, you may disregard the following..."

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #21)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:41 PM

31. False comparison

Having the signs at swimming pools is the practical way to do it.

A situation comparable to the one we're discussing here would be if someone held a sign at a street corner encouraging safe swimming practices and a DU poster said that all people, swimmers or not, should read that sign and follow its urgings.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 07:19 PM

54. Because any man

who reacts defensively to this adjuration, as have you, is as damaged by patriarchy as are survivors of rape, sexual assault, and relationship violence.

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Response to chervilant (Reply #54)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 07:47 PM

55. Rubbish.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #55)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 09:30 PM

58. Denial is not a river in Egypt. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:08 PM

4. I think I want to be Patrick Stewart when I grow up.

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Response to JBoy (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:10 PM

44. Me too.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:13 PM

8. That man's...

...got balls!

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Response to JimboBillyBubbaBob (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:35 PM

14. I see what you did there...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:15 PM

9. Thanks for posting this.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 10:17 PM

10. Awesome!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:17 PM

13. Brilliant!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:40 PM

15. I am an old school Star Trek guy...

and never really got into Next Generation, but I love Patrick Stewart.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:45 AM

23. I feel sorry for conservatives who are Trekkies or Star Wars fans.

I love rubbing it in their faces that the main featured stars and directors/producers of those shows are liberals.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:37 AM

27. At one time I thought I was a conservative...

but looking back at the social issues the showed tackled I wonder- how could one enjoy the show, and its message, and be a conservative?

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #27)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:41 PM

40. Naw, you weren't a conservative. Too many of them are xenophobic.

If they can't get along with other races here on earth, they'd freak out over different species of intelligent beings like greenish, pointy-eared Vulcans and furry Wookies.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:40 PM

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, MrScorpio.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 11:52 PM

17. Patrick Stewart is a brilliant light.

He is such a splendid spokesman against violence toward women.

I know this video is long, but is well worth taking the time to watch the entire speech.

http://m.&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXi_27bpIb30

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:55 AM

19. k&r

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:44 AM

22. Let's go fellows!

Why is it older women are always carrying the load? Look around. They stand up for men in everyway possible. Lets stand with them and volunteer.
By the way I am an old white guy from the south, a combat veteran, a federal Government retiree, a supporter of Union Rights, a supporter of Obamacare and a path to single payer, a believer in keynesiamn economics, one who disdains the neoliberals as not real democrats, a believer in framing and any other legal technique we can use to get our message out to help the people.
Let us help these women.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:04 AM

24. A strong message from a strong and decent man. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:34 AM

25. There are actually lots of "old white men" who

are honorable, strong and decent individuals.

I know this well because I am an "old white women" who has been married to one of them for the past 32+ years!

Patrick reminds me of him, in fact!

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 07:12 PM

53. You're so fortunate!

I wish I could find one of those!

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Response to chervilant (Reply #53)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 06:03 AM

59. Believe me, I know.

Had a less pleasant experience the first time around, although to be fair, I believe that we were both too young and immature. It wasn't that he was not a good person and we did have two sons together, who both seem to have turned out fine, i.e., they are both staunch Dems. LOL Their dad and I were just not a good fit, although we were together for 13 years.

I was not looking to remarry at all, but serendipity and a lot of fervent match-making by mutual acquaintances brought the two of us together after I had been a single parent for three years (he had been one for seven, sharing custody). It was also the second time around for him. One of the earliest and kindest lessons that I learned from him is that one can not only survive a divorce, but one can also remain on good terms with an ex, which is especially important when children are involved. Of course, that implies rational adults on all sides, which is too often not the case, unfortunately, given the nature of divorce.

But he really is something special.

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Response to BlueMTexpat (Reply #59)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 07:21 AM

60. One of my friends said it best:

My 'picker' is broken. As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, date rape, and an alcoholic, abusive father, I've apparently not learned to discern when a man is a pathological liar (or a sociopath, or an ODD...)

I am in the Crone stage of my life, and enjoying my solitude. However, if someone like Patrick dropped in my lap, I'd be all over him!

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Response to chervilant (Reply #60)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:18 PM

61. You have all my warmest thoughts!

You must be a very strong person to have survived so much. Stay strong and believe in yourself!

There is nothing at all wrong with solitude. Many actively choose it and are very happy with that choice.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:36 AM

26. A genuinely good human being.

Much respect.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:40 AM

28. Wow. How neat is that guy! n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:40 PM

30. Professor X knows what he is talking about.

nt.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:42 PM

32. I was pleasantly surprised to find that this is NOT a John McCain thread!

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:03 PM

34. LOL!

I thought the exact same thing!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:03 PM

33. That's not just any 'old white man'...

...no, no, no. He's special...and beautiful, both inside and out.

Makes this aging lady giggle.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:08 PM

35. Patrick Stewart is a good man. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:31 PM

36. Awesome!

Gotta live him!

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Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:26 PM

42. Thank you, Patrick Stewart. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:25 PM

46. Brilliant!

Go Patrick!

I think ALL men would benefit from hearing this/ reading this whether it's to gain information or just to feel support that they are not alone in the fight for Women's and Girl's rights.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 05:39 PM

47. Very cool!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:17 PM

48. "There are four lights!"

An honest man who calls 'em as he sees 'em. Glad to be on the planet with him.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:20 PM

49. I love that man

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 06:49 PM

51. Crying here.

As a survivor of child abuse, I can't thank him enough for this. Love hIm.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:04 PM

56. Ha! I love that guy.

My favorite captain. Expect for maybe Rameus.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2013, 08:28 PM

57. Oh Captain My Captain! Heart!!!!

Love that guy! He's one bald gent who is sexy as hell! He's even more attractive when one thinks of the mind beneath the bald head. He's just yummy! Man enough not to be threatened by women's rights. Kinda like MY man is!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Nov 2, 2013, 03:25 PM

62. Using fame to help out...OUTSTANDING

This is exactly why I admire the guy, and his voice, he just has a Shakespeare type of voice.

Oh, and my single mom kept 4 of us fed working as a waitress.
We didnt have alot, but we never went hungry.

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