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Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:05 PM

The Dominionist movement has got to be stopped.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/30/left-accept-ted-cruz-dominionist-messiah.html

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As Huffington Post reported earlier this month, “It turns out that Ted’s father, Rafael Cruz, is a pastor with Texas charismatic ministry Purifying Fire International who has been campaigning against Obamacare the last several months.”

According to New Beginnings’ dominionist pastor, Larry Huch, Ted Cruz got elected to the senate because God is about to begin his “rule and reign” and there will be a big “end-time transfer of wealth.” Somehow, transfering wealth is a good thing when the money is being taken from non-believers and awarded the church but bad if rich folks and corporations are expected to pay their way.

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Reply The Dominionist movement has got to be stopped. (Original post)
LiberalLoner Oct 2013 OP
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #1
CrispyQ Oct 2013 #22
kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #2
pangaia Oct 2013 #27
A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #39
pangaia Oct 2013 #40
A HERETIC I AM Oct 2013 #41
grasswire Oct 2013 #3
VAliberal Oct 2013 #15
grasswire Oct 2013 #19
kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #33
VAliberal Nov 2013 #67
haikugal Oct 2013 #23
dixiegrrrrl Oct 2013 #24
jwirr Oct 2013 #45
haele Oct 2013 #63
VAliberal Nov 2013 #68
CoffeeCat Oct 2013 #65
ruffburr Oct 2013 #4
Initech Oct 2013 #6
LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #7
pangaia Oct 2013 #30
kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #34
MineralMan Oct 2013 #5
polichick Oct 2013 #8
Lars39 Oct 2013 #10
polichick Oct 2013 #11
Lars39 Oct 2013 #13
polichick Oct 2013 #14
Lars39 Oct 2013 #17
polichick Oct 2013 #18
Lars39 Oct 2013 #26
Nay Oct 2013 #50
polichick Oct 2013 #52
Nay Oct 2013 #55
polichick Oct 2013 #58
haikugal Oct 2013 #12
polichick Oct 2013 #16
haikugal Oct 2013 #20
kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #36
riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #9
PearliePoo2 Oct 2013 #21
Amaril Oct 2013 #25
white_wolf Oct 2013 #29
djean111 Oct 2013 #32
yesphan Oct 2013 #28
libodem Oct 2013 #31
CFLDem Oct 2013 #64
cleanhippie Oct 2013 #35
KT2000 Oct 2013 #37
moonlady0623 Oct 2013 #38
LiberalLoner Oct 2013 #42
starroute Oct 2013 #43
pangaia Oct 2013 #44
SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2013 #46
ErikJ Oct 2013 #47
Demo_Chris Oct 2013 #48
Nay Oct 2013 #53
Blue_In_AK Oct 2013 #49
tomg Oct 2013 #51
MH1 Oct 2013 #56
tomg Oct 2013 #60
Oilwellian Oct 2013 #54
HereSince1628 Oct 2013 #57
gopiscrap Oct 2013 #59
One_Life_To_Give Oct 2013 #61
Warpy Oct 2013 #62
Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #66

Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:08 PM

1. A movement that is getting too little attention

But widely desseminated via many of the various fundy churches.
It is not a "fad". These people are quite serious.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:10 PM

2. But it must also mean that Obama was elected twice because God wanted it? nt

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Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:58 PM

27. Wrong. Obama was elected by the devil.


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Response to pangaia (Reply #27)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:38 PM

39. You're welcome! n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #39)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:42 PM

40. It was sarcasm.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #40)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:43 PM

41. Backatya.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:11 PM

3. they want their rapture realllllly bad. nt

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Response to grasswire (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:32 PM

15. No rapture for dominionists

Dominionists and Christian Reconstructionists, theonomists in general, are in fact not looking for a rapture. That is what makes them such a threat to a secular democracy. Their eschatological orientation is postmillennial. That is, they expect the kingdom of God to expand and grow in human history. Christ will return in their scheme, but only after a long while, perhaps tens of thousands of years, of Christian dominion, of the imposition of God's law in all spheres of human life and thought.

Premillennial believers in the rapture don't have any long term prospect or philosophy of history. Their worldview is limited by the expectation that world conditions will worsen until the rapture, tribulation and final return of Jesus to establish a literal 1000 year global government in Jerusalem, followed by a final judgment and eternity.

Dominionists expect to impose their view of God's law in government. They are very self-conscious & self-aware of their worldview and strategy. They are deliberately subversive. They are intent on destroying secularism and liberal democracy.

Premillennialists and postmillennialists (dominionists) are two different critters. Both are pernicious in a democracy, in my estimation. But in terms of the political threat to America, the dominionists are more dangerous because they have no plans on going anywhere, but in fact have some real long-range plans for the U.S. and the world and after a generation of playing from the outside, we now have them in government - Cruz being a prime example.

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Response to VAliberal (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:37 PM

19. thank you for the distinction

But I wonder if Dominionists plan on being around, why they don't take the lead in combating climate change.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:21 PM

33. Because they are also biblical literalists who say that since Gawd promised no more global floods,

it cannot happen, period. The denial is based on their literal reading of scripture.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #19)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 11:39 PM

67. good point

I don't know. If you read their primary journal, The Chalcedon Report, climate change is never an issue. Unless it is being derided as a secularist myth. The theonomists are generally creationists of one sort or another and see conflict between science and religion. They condemn any field of endeavor, any study or discipline, not controlled by religious dogma as 'autonomous,' meaning not subjected to Biblical law.

Good point in wondering why they don't see climate change or Fukushima or nuclear or biological weapons as threats to humanity's survival. Perhaps it is because they see in scripture a promise of a long future for humanity and figure God will make good on those promises, so such things, if authentic perils, will sort themselves out?

I don't find them terribly rational folks.

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Response to VAliberal (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:44 PM

23. Very well said...

this is a wonderful description and explanation of what they are and what they're about. Kudo's!!

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Response to VAliberal (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:52 PM

24. We need to make that term/group/name/ much more public.

"Dominionists expect to impose their view of God's law in government. "

American Taliban seems to fit.

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Response to VAliberal (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:03 PM

45. Thank you. I have a Bible study that explains it much like that. The Dominists are going to run

their so called Christian kingdom right here on earth. Their danger is very evident. The premillennial group is more likely to work against anyone working to make the world a better place to live in because in their view things are supposed to get worse before they get better. Either way it is going to be a rough ride if we do not stop them.

Any idea how big an influence either of these groups have in the religious groups of the USA?

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Response to jwirr (Reply #45)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 05:12 PM

63. They are behind the Prosperity Gospel. They also pretty much took over the SBC back in the 80's.

And really pushed to take over local institutions (especially planning commissions and school boards) by running aggressively, lying through their teeth about their actual policy stances when challenged ("no, I don't hate minorities or poor people, I really do want to help them, but they're just being ignorant - if they only worked hard and took personal responsibility like we do, they'd do just fine..."), and quid-pro-quo practices to gain the support of those with money in the community. The Moral Majority is a Dominionist group, just as the John Birchers and The Family are. Fellow travelers under one ideolistic tent, where the Kings and Priests rule and the rest of the world falls in line or begs for the priviledge to survive.

They flatter and smile, and pimp their Prosperity Gospel and the comfort of "Gawd's Love" to seduce the unsuspecting, troubled, or desperate - and then isolate those people from the rest of the world.
They promote the venal and the cynics within their ranks by seducing them with access to luxury and power so those people won't challenge the Gospel and agree to actively work to promote it.

Once they get a hold, they start tightening down the screws on their victims - be it members of a church or members of the community they took over. Just like any other manipulative abuser. Tell the mark that you love them, isolate them, and use them. Take away any support other than what you let them have. And publically put the responsibilty and blame on them if anything goes wrong, or if they want to leave.
Oh, yes, and they lo-o-ove their minority outreach, and they like to make a show of how Godly those token minority leaders are - so long as those leaders go along with the Prosperity Gospel Rules.

See, it's easy to live within the rules of a Dominionist world. God talks directly to the Dominionist "leadership", telling them what the Bible really means. The Dominionist God punishes with poverty and "hardships", and rewards with money, ease, and power. If you follow the Leaders, the Priests (church leaders) and Kings (political leaders), then you're All Right with the Dominionist God - you'll just need to work a little harder if you haven't been Blessed very much.

Therefore, even if you work hard and live within the Rules as much as you can - if you still don't have money to throw around and build up your power, you're being chastened by God for not being respectful or humble enough. And the Leaders are required to encourage you be punished by both God and Man until you get it right with God - and then, once you've learned your lesson and straightened up yourself, He'll give you the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You're sick or having problems because you obviously weren't trying hard enough, and you have obviously refused to be responsible.
If in the meantime, you lose everything, become sick or injured, or die - well, that's what God wants. To lose everything, or if you're going to perminantly be "a burden", you must be cursed - God has denied you. The Church is beholden to mercilessly cast you out and drive you away, make you a "non-person" - so they don't get punished for associating with or being seen as accepting of the likes of you and your sins.

The Dominionists just use their God as an excuse to rule with an iron boot. Freedom is something you either buy or are granted once you die.

A Pagan ritual for prosperity is far more honest than a sermon (either from the pulpit or from the media) on "what needs to be done to benefit Our Country" from a "Patriotic" Dominionist.

At least with the Pagan ritual, you know what and how much is going to be sacrificed.

Haele

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Response to jwirr (Reply #45)

Mon Nov 4, 2013, 12:00 AM

68. Sadly, I think, a lot

Premillennialism, in its popularized version, is seen in the Left Behind series of books and movies. It is pervasive in the churches. 58% of white evangelical Christians believe Jesus is returning to earth. If you look at statements of belief for evangelical Bible colleges, ministries and denominations, you will frequently find some reference to faith in the premillennial return of Jesus and the rapture.

Postmillennialism/dominionism/Christian reconstructionism, are more limited in popular culture, at least by way of audience and media presence, but the thinkers and their books and journals have had an impact on church and state out of proportion to their numbers. R.J. Rushdoony, the father of reconstructionism, influenced a generation of politicians and theologian-pastors. So far as churches go, the movement is largely confined to the really conservative Presbyterian and Reformed denominations and particular congregations. But the theology has had a wider impact. Certainly you see the theology finding expression in much of the homeschooling movement, anti-reproductive choice legislation, opposition to social welfare and activism intent on breaching the separation of church & state.

And too, I suppose there is some overlap and cross-pollination. Falwell, while premillennial, deviated from the historic apolitical stance of that view and embraced political action when he launched the Moral Majority.

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Response to VAliberal (Reply #15)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:19 AM

65. Sounds like the stenchy pile of dung...

...that the early settlers in American were running the hell away from!

This is why the pilgrims and the early colonists came here--to escape the repressive psychos back home.

What is frightening--is that we have come along way in science, technology and rational thinking since then. We understand the world better. Organized religion is being questioned and people are breaking away from the confines of religious doctrines and churches because people are questioning and thinking. We are evolving.

However, these people have stayed in the same place. They're emotional infants. Human beings are evolving forward. Science and facts are all around us now. Except for these people. They're lunatics, in my opinion and very dangerous.

They're delusional if they truly believe that they can infiltrate the government, or anything else with their dated opinions and ridiculous superstitions. Every poll and trend that I've seen in the past decade indicates that the world is moving quickly away from organized religion. These people need a reality check.

Fine for them to have their beliefs. Go at it. But please--realize that your brand of extremism is a dying breed that the overwhelming majority does not share.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:11 PM

4. Stopped in it's tracks-

These people are beyond crazy and scare the shit outta me,They should scare you too.

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Response to ruffburr (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:12 PM

6. Yeah I agree, they are seriously batshit crazy!

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Response to ruffburr (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:13 PM

7. What I wonder is! how many of them are there, and what financial

Backing do they have?

In short, are they a collection of nut bags with no chance of taking over, or do they have a real shot at turning the US into a brutal theocracy?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:01 PM

30. Statistically I have no idea.

But I suggest we ignore them at our own peril.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:23 PM

34. There are more of them than you think. They like to run as stealth candidates,

masquerading as your run of the mill good Christians. But these really do want a theocracy.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:12 PM

5. Keep shining a bright light on this dangerous sectarian nonsense.

They are truly dangerous, but the light of truth exposes the ugliness and danger.

Thanks for your post.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:17 PM

8. Aren't there a bunch of Dominionists in Congress who...

live together in a house they don't pay taxes on - or are these right-wingers but not Dominionists? (There was a book about them not long ago but I can't think of the title or author.)

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Response to polichick (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:21 PM

10. The Family,iirc

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Response to polichick (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:30 PM

13. Creepy bunch, aren't they

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:31 PM

14. Really creepy - but "our guys" attend their prayer meetings regularly.

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Response to polichick (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:34 PM

17. I know.

I don't know why they don't distance themselves from this group. Maybe looks innocuous on surface and they don't pay attention to the deeper stuff?

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:35 PM

18. I don't know how they could be blind to what these people are about...

It's not as though they don't have staffs to do the research.

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Response to polichick (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:55 PM

26. True.

I guess money and the need to conform to religion in some way over rides a lot of things these days.

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Response to polichick (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:41 PM

50. Personally, I think they want to be in on the beginning of the 10,000-year

dominion the Dominionists are setting up. It's a historically proven way to keep the populace in line while ecological destruction, terrorism, starvation, economic catastrophe, etc., ravage the landscape. And "God" in all its forms has always been a good way to discipline the serfs.

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Response to Nay (Reply #50)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:52 PM

52. So people like Obama and Clinton, who attend the prayer meetings, want...

to be part of this Dominionist plan too?

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Response to polichick (Reply #52)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:09 PM

55. I have no reason to think they wouldn't. This dominionist stuff is utterly

repugnant, a total rejection of democratic governing, and they should be so disgusted that they will go nowhere near any of these Family 'functions.' Yet, there they are. Would we think it was okay if they had a yearly prayer meeting with the Grand Wizard of the KKK and his followers just because it was a DC 'tradition'? These dominionists are WORSE than the KKK.

Nothing ever stopped either of them from starting their own prayer meetings with any of a number of mainstream/liberal church organizations like the Interfaith Alliance, National Council of Churches, etc. It would be an easy matter to start a new tradition in DC, giving govt members who feel they have to somehow prove they are religious someplace to do a yearly prayer meeting without having to kowtow to those evil dominionist bastards. Hell, Obama could wave his fucking hand and a bunch of liberal bishops would start up the new tradition today. But no. They continue to bow to the Family. It tells me a lot. Doesn't it tell you a lot?

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Response to Nay (Reply #55)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:26 PM

58. Just wanted to be sure I knew what you were saying...

imo there is no excuse for any Democrat to go near these guys - instead, they should be calling out The Family for what it is. Another reason to say we have one party with two faces these days - when will enough people wake up?

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Response to polichick (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:24 PM

12. The Family...

http://www.amazon.com/The-Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-American/dp/0060560053

The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power

They insist they are just a group of friends, yet they funnel millions of dollars through tax-free corporations. They claim to disdain politics, but congressmen of both parties describe them as the most influential religious organization in Washington. They say they are not Christians, but simply believers.

Behind the scenes at every National Prayer Breakfast since 1953 has been the Family, an elite network dedicated to a religion of power for the powerful. Their goal is "Jesus plus nothing." Their method is backroom diplomacy. The Family is the startling story of how their faith—part free-market fundamentalism, part imperial ambition—has come to be interwoven with the affairs of nations around the world.

This is worth a read...it's a beginning to the knowledge required to see the scope of this and it's danger to real Democracy and our country.

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Response to haikugal (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:32 PM

16. Thanks - I actually did read this when it came out. I guess they don't call...

themselves Dominionists, but seems they are.

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Response to polichick (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:40 PM

20. They don't want people to know they are Dominionists...

they use other words to describe themselves and they steeplejack moderate churches and take control of them. If evil can be used to describe a movement then this one qualities.

http://www.amazon.com/American-Fascists-Christian-Right-America/dp/0743284461/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1383151086&sr=1-5&keywords=chris+hedges

American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America

Twenty-five years ago, when Pat Robertson and other radio and televangelists first spoke of the United States becoming a Christian nation that would build a global Christian empire, it was hard to take such hyperbolic rhetoric seriously. Today, such language no longer sounds like hyperbole but poses, instead, a very real threat to our freedom and our way of life. In American Fascists, Chris Hedges, veteran journalist and author of the National Book Award finalist War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning, challenges the Christian Right's religious legitimacy and argues that at its core it is a mass movement fueled by unbridled nationalism and a hatred for the open society.

Hedges, who grew up in rural parishes in upstate New York where his father was a Presbyterian pastor, attacks the movement as someone steeped in the Bible and Christian tradition. He points to the hundreds of senators and members of Congress who have earned between 80 and 100 percent approval ratings from the three most influential Christian Right advocacy groups as one of many signs that the movement is burrowing deep inside the American government to subvert it. The movement's call to dismantle the wall between church and state and the intolerance it preaches against all who do not conform to its warped vision of a Christian America are pumped into tens of millions of American homes through Christian television and radio stations, as well as reinforced through the curriculum in Christian schools. The movement's yearning for apocalyptic violence and its assault on dispassionate, intellectual inquiry are laying the foundation for a new, frightening America.

American Fascists, which includes interviews and coverage of events such as pro-life rallies and weeklong classes on conversion techniques, examines the movement's origins, its driving motivations and its dark ideological underpinnings. Hedges argues that the movement currently resembles the young fascist movements in Italy and Germany in the 1920s and '30s, movements that often masked the full extent of their drive for totalitarianism and were willing to make concessions until they achieved unrivaled power. The Christian Right, like these early fascist movements, does not openly call for dictatorship, nor does it use
physical violence to suppress opposition.

In short, the movement is not yet revolutionary. But the ideological architecture of a Christian fascism is being cemented in place. The movement has roused its followers to a fever pitch of despair and fury. All it will take, Hedges writes, is one more national crisis on the order of September 11 for the Christian Right to make a concerted drive to destroy American democracy. The movement awaits a crisis. At that moment they will reveal themselves for what they truly are -- the American heirs to fascism. Hedges issues a potent, impassioned warning. We face an imminent threat. His book reminds us of the dangers liberal, democratic societies face when they tolerate the intolerant.

I highly recommend this book to continue ones's education about this.

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Response to haikugal (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:24 PM

36. The Family is a hardcore Dominionist nest of vipers.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:20 PM

9. Its easy to make fun of the celebrity Dominionists like Palin and Cruz

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Which unfortunately means the movement gets even scarier....

The scorn only validates their feeling of being "different". In their eyes that is a good thing. In our eyes its a bad thing....

There's no rationalizing with them

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:41 PM

21. Ohhhh...so THAT'S the connection with Snow-Bank Snooki!

They're church buddies!
The brainless, p.o.s. Palin is an "End Times" Dominionist, whack-job too.

Good...more exposure for Rafael Edward!
Keep turning over the rocks and unearth these religious nut-cases!

Here's a COUNTDOWN video showing Palin asking Jesus for protection from witchcraft:

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:52 PM

25. What do they need wealth for.........

......if they're getting raptured? Why would "God" establish the amassing of wealth as an earmark of the end times / purity test for the faithful? Money / wealth is a construct of man -- would an omnipotent being really give two shits about how much of it we humans have when she / he has zero need for it?

Somebody needs to explain "logical fallacy" to these people.

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Response to Amaril (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:00 PM

29. They don't believe in a rapture.

They believe Jesus won't return until the world is fully under Christian rule. Money is just a means to an end for them to build "God's" kingdom on earth.

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Response to Amaril (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:18 PM

32. They are not getting raptured.

Some awesome explanations of what they plan are up-thread.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:59 PM

28. Well,

until God gets here, let's have you pay taxes on your church, you fox tick !

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:12 PM

31. If those nuts want to put religion into politics

I say put some politics into religion with a 25% tax on the tithing. How's 'them' apples...you fucked up hillbilly hucksters. Throws air punches and karate chops. This shit infuriates me.


Okay, I'm pulling it together.

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Response to libodem (Reply #31)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:11 PM

64. AMEN! nt

 

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:24 PM

35. Until we, as a society, marginalize religion as the superstitious mythology that it is, even for...

moderate and liberal believers, we will continue to face this terrible ideology that is being treated as fact and not the fiction is actually is.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:26 PM

37. Quite Ayn Randian

So many philosophies/religions rely on the "you are so special" concept. The net result though is that the donations will pour in because that is how one verifies their specialness.
Scam.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:35 PM

38. wait a minute

how is the "end time transfer of wealth" going to happen when the faithful are all going to be raptured? Doesn't that mean that those of us who don't buy this baloney will be positioned to get the money that the believers leave behind? I'm confused as to the wisdom of this philosophy.

oh wait, I see. they don't believe in rapture. they believe in MONEY tho don't they? What WOULD JESUS DO????? besides toss them out of the temple?

when will we all realize religion is a personal thing and we are not obliged to MAKE people believe what we do?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:51 PM

42. Also these people are recruiting in the prisons.

My cousin, who has a bad habit of grand larceny and check forging, bleats in his letters to me how we have to become a Xtian nation again, have laws based on the Old Testament, and stop being so tolerant of other religions, races, gays, etc. etc.

I write to him because he is my cousin and try to educate him, but he is willfully ignorant, not too bright and fully into the whole Xtian fascism and dominionism thing. His letters to me often sicken me, and he was raised moderate Catholic. Prison changed him into this fascist because the fascists are actively recruiting in the prison.

Perhaps they expect these prisoners to become their brown shirts?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:55 PM

43. Darrell Issa and other Californian arch-conservatives have Dominionist ties

I've gotten curious about Issa lately because his name seems to keep coming up whenever there's dirty work at the crossroads. He played a role in the firing of US Attorney Carol Lam during the Bush administration scandal. In 2009, he released a report accusing ACORN of being "structured as a criminal enterprise." And these days, he's close to Ginny Thomas's Groundswell people. There's a definite agenda here, and it isn't just about mainstream Republicanism.

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/AhmansonAvengingAngelOfReligiousRight.html

In 1992, Ahmanson banded together with four right-wing businessmen to back the campaigns of anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-big business candidates; two years later, they scored their first major victory, propelling the GOP's takeover of the California Assembly. With $3 million funneled through seven pro-business, anti-abortion and Republican political action fronts, Ahmanson and company captured a startling 25 of the GOP's 39 legislative seats for their candidates. Their push ushered two important movement cadres into power: Tom McClintock, a veteran activist and former director of economic and regulatory affairs of the Ahmanson-funded libertarian think tank Claremont Institute; and Ray Haynes, an unknown lawyer from another Ahmanson-funded group, the Western Center for Law and Justice, which once filed a brief defending a local school district for banning Gabriel Garcéa Marquéz's novel "One Hundred Years of Solitude."

Upon seizing power, McClintock sponsored a bill returning the death penalty to California, while Haynes led a failed 1995 attempt to ban state funding for abortion and numerous futile fights to block anti-hate crime and domestic partnership legislation. In 2003, the two Ahmanson cadres became instrumental figures in propelling the campaign to recall Democratic Gov. Gray Davis. In March 2003, Haynes personally convinced a fellow arch-conservative, U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, to bankroll the recall ballot qualification. After the recall qualified with the help of $1.7 million from Issa, McClintock entered the recall campaign, ultimately finishing third as the token cultural conservative. As in 1992, Ahmanson's camp provided the groundwork for McClintock's campaign: John Stoos, an avowed Reconstructionist associated with Chalcedon, served as his deputy campaign manager, and Ahmanson hosted some of the most prominent leaders in the Christian right for a fundraiser in Colorado in September that, according to the Los Angeles Times, raised $100,000.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:58 PM

44. I thought I remembered that Hillary Clinton was a member of

'this' group.
So I looked up The Family on Wiki (sorry, I do get sucked into that)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29

The Fellowship...
I'm not claiming I know anything. This isn't a statement for or against her or anybody. Just something I found of interest..
And as someone else here posted, yes, there are quite a few democrats, Presidents attend the yearly "Prayer breakfast."

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:20 PM

46. Normally, these movements would die off when the economy gets better.

I think Cruz is smart enough to have figured out how to use it for a foothold on the presidency. fortunately the Evangelicals are pissing off so many women and families that I think the whole brand of Christian Fundamentalism is going to go bust soon.

Plus Christian Dominionists count on a bad economy for their promises. Their exposure on this would be a windfall for the rest of us.

* I also just noticed that "Dominionists" wasn't in the firefox dictionary. I added it. Is that just for me? We could get the ball rolling by getting the word into the lexicon.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:20 PM

47. Mass Suicide bombers in suits that want to take out ALL of us.

And they are supposedly so concerned about their grandchildren having to pay off the debt. But global warming? Its Gods will.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:21 PM

48. It is a mistake to underestimate just how powerful the faith based movement is. nt

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #48)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:55 PM

53. I agree completely. Trying to eradicate faith-based stuff, in the average

human being, is nearly impossible. It's certainly not possible in a country like ours, where the government has historically treated religion with kid gloves.

In countries where government supported one religion for its people and discouraged others (UK+Oz+Canada=Anglican, Netherlands=Catholic) there seems to be an evolution toward many people becoming atheist or agnostic as the society modernized.

If there is anyone left to write any histories after this whole debacle works its way through the world, it would be interesting to read what historians would conclude about the United States. In so many ways we have become the bad example, the example of what NOT to do, rather than some shining beacon as we pridefully think of ourselves.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:26 PM

49. America's Taliban

and we're not immune.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:44 PM

51. These loons go back to St. Ronnie.

His Secretary of the Interior, James G. Watt, was a proponent:

"My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns." The Washington Post, May 24, 1981

and

"If the troubles from environmentalists cannot be solved in the jury box or at the ballot box, perhaps the cartridge box should be used." from a March 1991 speech to the Green River Cattlemen's Association.

( the last is cited at Daily Kos and elsewhere - it seems so totally crazy that a former cabinet member would say this that even after using the Google machine, it seems too off the wall to be true)

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Response to tomg (Reply #51)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:16 PM

56. That quote is mentioned several places with citations

Most notably in Wikiquote with the following:


If the troubles from environmentalists cannot be solved in the jury box or at the ballot box, perhaps the cartridge box should be used.
* The Earth's Storm Troopers, Phoenix New Times August 7, 1991 also .


(2) goes to a link at New Scientist that currently won't pull up an article for me. However, I would think that someone with Lexis-Nexis access could confirm the Phoenix New Times citation.


There is also this from someone who writes it as if he were there:

http://www.hcn.org/wotr/thank-you-james-watt-for-all-you-did-for-greater-yellowstone/print_view

(by the way, the "thank you" in the title of that one is for galvanizing conservationists to join together to resist this a**hole and all he stood for.)


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Response to MH1 (Reply #56)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 04:32 PM

60. Thanks. I will check on

Lexus/Nexus. I hadn't thought of that. The Phoenix New Times was the initial citation I did find ( I think DKos also had it), but since I couldn't find a second confirming, I still felt a little leery as to its credibility( and the quote itself was so-filled with wing-nutty goodness, it really confirms all my worst/favorite fears/paranoia - Ronnie's secretary of the interior really thinks shooting environmentalists is just a -okay).

I mean dominionists are so bloody insane that sometimes I can't honestly believe that they are so bloody insane ( even though they are). Also thanks for the second one you provided. Should be a good read.

edited to add: the second read was awesome.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:00 PM

54. I did a video about Palin's involvement w/Dominionists

during the 2008 campaign:

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:18 PM

57. No, they have the right to pursue their interests...

SOMEWHERE ELSE!

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:48 PM

59. I fully agree

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 04:36 PM

61. They bringing the Jem Hadar?


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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 05:07 PM

62. Don't forget that Hillary Clinton has been a member of The Family

If you want to stop Dominionists, you'll need to stop her, too.

http://www.atheistrev.com/2009/12/hillary-clinton-and-al-gore-linked-to.html

(Don't bag me for the messenger, "reliable" news sources bury this stuff after a few weeks and I don't feel like coughing up the money it takes to dig it out of newspaper morgues)

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2013, 01:23 AM

66. Yep.

Too many people don't understand who their real enemies are.

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