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Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:06 PM

World Series is impossible to watch on FOX

Extreme close ups of the players make it impossible to see defensive shifts or base runners prepare for the pitch. Multiple shots of players on deck or in the dugout during a single at-bat are distracting. Players who spit or scratch a lot are given special attention.

But all of this pales to the constant jabbering of Buck (a member of the lucky-sperm club) and McCarver has evolved into a petty mess. Clearly there are pet themes and words for each game which need to be delivered X many times per fifteen minutes. And the intonation: a player hits a double with one out and you'd think he was Bobby Thomson. And more which doesn't merit repeating.

Yuck-and-a-half.

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Reply World Series is impossible to watch on FOX (Original post)
PCIntern Oct 2013 OP
JaneyVee Oct 2013 #1
msanthrope Oct 2013 #22
JeffHead Oct 2013 #2
PCIntern Oct 2013 #3
longship Oct 2013 #33
Hippo_Tron Oct 2013 #4
TheCowsCameHome Oct 2013 #5
PCIntern Oct 2013 #7
Tansy_Gold Oct 2013 #26
stuckinodi Oct 2013 #6
ChazII Oct 2013 #10
adirondacker Oct 2013 #19
joeglow3 Oct 2013 #8
PCIntern Oct 2013 #9
rufus dog Oct 2013 #11
MADem Oct 2013 #35
jmowreader Oct 2013 #42
KamaAina Oct 2013 #62
Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #12
adirondacker Oct 2013 #17
longship Oct 2013 #34
Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #39
longship Oct 2013 #43
MANative Oct 2013 #13
sarcasmo Oct 2013 #14
Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 2013 #15
gopiscrap Oct 2013 #16
pintobean Oct 2013 #18
Logical Oct 2013 #20
dmr Oct 2013 #41
groundloop Oct 2013 #45
Logical Oct 2013 #48
msanthrope Oct 2013 #21
truebrit71 Oct 2013 #23
TheCowsCameHome Oct 2013 #24
adirondacker Oct 2013 #25
MADem Oct 2013 #36
adirondacker Oct 2013 #57
Loudly Oct 2013 #27
Elwood P Dowd Oct 2013 #28
gristy Oct 2013 #29
BlueStreak Oct 2013 #30
ForgoTheConsequence Oct 2013 #31
BlueStreak Oct 2013 #32
MADem Oct 2013 #37
BlueStreak Oct 2013 #51
MADem Oct 2013 #60
The2ndWheel Oct 2013 #54
Lugnut Oct 2013 #38
The Straight Story Oct 2013 #40
malaise Oct 2013 #44
groundloop Oct 2013 #46
PCIntern Oct 2013 #47
zipplewrath Oct 2013 #50
LibertyLover Oct 2013 #49
hatrack Oct 2013 #52
MineralMan Oct 2013 #53
4Q2u2 Oct 2013 #55
panader0 Oct 2013 #56
PCIntern Oct 2013 #59
Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #58
KamaAina Oct 2013 #61

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:07 PM

1. Baseball needs more Keith Olbermann.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:42 PM

22. I remember him calling a few of the Yankees' Old Timer's Games. They were awesome. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:09 PM

2. Yeah Right. Like we need to see Clay Bucholtz blowing snot rockets between pitches?

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Response to JeffHead (Reply #2)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:12 PM

3. "Realism".

How about all the discussion about the beards. You'd think Gilette was still a big sponsor.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:29 AM

33. Gillette would never sponsor ANY World Series with the 2013 BoSox. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:17 PM

4. It's kind of a guilty pleasure for me to watch football on Fox

The commentators are basically parodies of football commentators and they provide no useful information whatsoever. But as far as entertainment value, the entire package is absolute tops right down to that absurdly catchy theme song.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:18 PM

5. Or having dugout interviews while live plays are being missed

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:26 PM

7. But but but

Is your team hongry enough, Coach??

(With thanks to Edwin Newman)

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:48 PM

26. Some kinda player. . . . .

I miss Edwin.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:18 PM

6. I always watch any game Joe Buck announces with the mute button on n/t

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Response to stuckinodi (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:38 PM

10. I enjoy watching the World Series with the mute button

on and listen on the radio. I started that back in 2001 and the lousy announcing in that series.

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Response to stuckinodi (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:26 PM

19. Good Idea. The dude likes to hear himself babble. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:27 PM

8. Fuck, not everything is political

It is baseball.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:30 PM

9. Who was talking politics?

I was talking competence.

"Fuck"? Really?

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:47 PM

11. It isn't a political statement

About ten years ago Fox decided it would be cool to have multiple cameras and extreme close ups. They also switch cameras at an amazingly alarming rate. (Although this has been reduced it is still horrible in late inning situations, think batter, pitcher, random fan shot, batter, manager, batter, pitcher all in the time to have one pitch thrown)

This is not nearly as common when watching others broadcast games.

As I am watching the Sox has a runner on second, now he is no threat to steal, but there was never a shot to show how far he was off the bag, only multiple pitcher and batter close ups and one close up of the base runner so you wouldn't know if he was three feet off second or halfway to third.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:37 AM

35. Nothing more irritating than a close up of the ball skipping along green grass....

Ya have no idea where the hell it is and who's going after it!

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 03:19 AM

42. These are the same idiots who decided hanging a camera over a racetrack was a good idea

They put this camera-on-a-cable thing over Charlotte Motor Speedway for the Coca-Cola 600...one of the cables holding it up broke, hit the track, injured 10 spectators and damaged four cars.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #42)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:54 PM

62. Not to mention the radioactive hockey puck

during their mercifully brief flirtation with the NHL, the puck was surrounded by Day-Glo orange and even had an orange streak trailing it, like the blue one the baseball has when they replay a pitch.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:51 PM

12. How is the OP political?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:21 PM

17. It's that Phillies avatar that indicates a rogue independant in this game.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:32 AM

34. I am sorry that you never heard Ernie Harwell call a game on TV or radio.

Then, you'd know the difference. All the rest pale in comparison.

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Response to longship (Reply #34)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:47 AM

39. Or Mel Allen

Or Red Barber

Or Bob Elson

Or Jack Buck

Each and every one of them blow away the current crop.

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Response to Elwood P Dowd (Reply #39)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 04:54 AM

43. Yup! You have the idea. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 09:56 PM

13. I happen to be a Sox fan, and would probably

Be watching the series regardless, but I totally agree with you on the immense crappiness of Fox game call. It's excruciating!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:12 PM

14. McCarver being a long time Cardinal player, should not be allowed

to do World Series games that feature the Cardinals. The Fox coverage is Terrible, fans need to be given the choice of home town announcers during these big games.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:13 PM

15. I listen to the radio coverage

don't even have it on the TV. Just the radio and it's WONDERFUL!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:20 PM

16. Tend to agree

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:21 PM

18. No problems here

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:31 PM

20. Baseball is really really a slow game.....

The wind up, the pitch ball 1, etc.
Then after 5 minutes, count at 3-2, he grounds out to 1st base.

Boring as hell!


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Response to Logical (Reply #20)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:25 AM

41. No, there is a lot happening. Each pitch; each swing; each movement on the field -

balls; strikes; who's on deck; who's warming up in the bullpen; who's injured; pitching rotation .....

If you love the game. If you truly understand the game, you would see that there is so much activity that there is no time to be bored.

One of the things the OP was trying to explain was how awful the camera work is on Fox. So much happening on the field, and the fans at home miss out because Fox, their producers, and their announcers don't understand or appreciate the game themselves.

I'm an old lady who grew up in the 60s wanting to be a major league umpire.

Tiger fan, sending love to Boston.

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Response to dmr (Reply #41)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:43 AM

45. Nobody's forcing anyone to watch it.


And the OP point is that the coverage of the series is missing most of what's going on is absolutely correct. There's so much more to it than the pitcher throwing to the batter, yet that's all that they show.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #45)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:22 AM

48. Maybe because their research shows most viewers don't giveaway crap. Nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:39 PM

21. The Series isn't the same without Bob Costas. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 10:58 PM

23. I refuse to watch games called by Joe Schmuck...

...his intonation and delivery drives me up the wall....he's another obnoxious trust-fund kid that was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:01 PM

24. I am getting tired of these two....

each trying to out-do the other with brilliant comments and analysis.

Fucking Breslow just got the hook, I'm going to bed.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:42 PM

25. I'm waiting for a camera to appear out of the cup of the catcher. Seriously,

how many fucked up angles do they have to show?

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Response to adirondacker (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:40 AM

36. That would be horribly hilarious!

It actually wouldn't surprise me if they find a way to embed one in the chest protector!

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Response to MADem (Reply #36)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:48 AM

57. The Catcher's Cup Cam.

Think of the wild pitches you could obtain with that

I'm not a total luddite when it comes to tech, but the game is liking watching and hearing a severe case of ADD.

BTW...

GO Boston!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:53 PM

27. I think what you need is

 

C-SPAN covering sports playoffs live.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 11:55 PM

28. They just missed the pickoff play that won the game for Boston. How bad is that? nm

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 12:05 AM

29. After they missed the pickoff at first that ended the game, I thought of your comments yesterday.

At least I think it was you. At the time I didn't know if I agreed. Now I am certainly starting to.

Criminy, we were looking at a closeup of a pensive fan in the stand while the baserunner's getting picked off! To end the game!

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 12:08 AM

30. I will be more likely to watch when this beard thing passes

I admire a nice, well-groomed beard or mustache. But only some men look good with facial hair. And most of these guys -- especially the Boston ones, just look like hillbillies.

It is like the difference between a really artistic tattoo and something a person gets when they were drunk on shore leave.

Baseball shouldn't be a reality teevee show.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 12:27 AM

31. "Baseball shouldn't be a reality teevee show"

And yet your entire complaint about this series is about the way the players look.........

the irony.

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Response to ForgoTheConsequence (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 12:44 AM

32. Not ironic in the least.

The only reason I would watch a baseball game is to see a baseball game. I don't want to watch guys yanking on each others' beards. If I want to see a bunch of morons looking and acting like hillbillies, I will go watch Duck Dynasty.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:43 AM

37. If the beards irritate you, then they are working. They want their opponents discombobulated,

not pleased with their appearance.

Who's more dangerous, the nice, well groomed ones, or the wild looking hillbillies?

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Response to MADem (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:40 AM

51. I get that. But if I want to see a freak show

there are so many better options on teevee.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #51)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:22 PM

60. Well, change the channel, then--no one is forcing you to watch the series.

I like the beards and scruffiness--it means we're in the post season, and we are still alive....but I'm from Boston, so I'm supportive of the team. People who don't like the team are more invested in disparagement.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #30)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:00 AM

54. More of a reality TV show than reality TV

It's been a pretty unscripted series so far.

The beard thing is probably more of a team thing, not for anyone outside their locker room. Everyone shaves their head, everyone wears high socks, everyone grows a beard and doesn't shave it, etc. It's about camaraderie, not about what they look like.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 01:46 AM

38. McCarver is retiring this year.

I wish he'd take Joe Buck with him along with Fox's production crew.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:18 AM

40. Prefer ball games on the radio over tv

I am, of course, a tad biased when it comes to radio. But even when I wasn't doing a show I would listen to the Reds here locally. Hard to beat a good announcer not to mention you can get more done while listening than watching.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 05:49 AM

44. We watched on ESPN last night n/t

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 07:51 AM

46. Those guys need to learn more about the rules also

Last night they blabbered on and on about the obstruction call that ended the game Saturday. Then they blabbered on about how that rule needs to be reviewed, I suppose trying to create a bit of controversy. But they failed to understand (or explain) that an obstruction call's only purpose is to put a baserunner where he would have been had he not been obstructed. It's not that difficult.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #46)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:12 AM

47. I agree:

that pair of assholes, however, are emblematic of what's wrong in this county: we plan for the last event which occurred. No better example than the airline issues following 9/11 wherein certain things needed to be done, but it has become overkill in the worst way.

That being said, whether you intend or don't intend to trip the baserunner, you obstructed him and he gets the next base. Both umpires knew that instantaneously and there was no question in any objective viewer's mind that they got that call right if you've watched baseball for 56 years as I have.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #47)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:35 AM

50. Which base?

I agree, if you obstruct, the runner gets the base. But since the 3rd basemen was lying on the 2-3rd base line, which base would you award? The problem was created by the runner. I think the call got made because it appears that the 3rd basemen was trying to use his legs to obstruct. I'm not particularly sure that he actually was. But either way, he was in no position to obstruct the runners path to home plate. The runner screwed up, but then he got the call too so maybe this is a bit like "taking a charge" in basketball or something.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:31 AM

49. Fox sucks for football games too

so I feel your pain.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:44 AM

52. It's taken "battery hypnosis" and made it even worse . . .

You hardly ever see how the fielding shifts, or anything beyond the view over the pitcher's shoulder.

Except when you're looking up the pitcher's or batter's nose, that is.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 09:48 AM

53. Baseball is best heard on the radio.

Watching it on television is a boring process. Baseball is made for radio.

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:13 AM

55. Fox makes the Game unwatchable

Myself and young sons are Sox fans. I cannot stand to listen to Buck drone on and on, makes my ears bleed.
The other half is that the games are on soooooooooo f-ing late that my kids barely get to watch any of it. Hey MLB way to breed the next generation of fans. As to how long the games take. Lots of people are talking about how it needs to be sped up but do you really think TV and the Owners want it sped up. How many more commercials to the get to cram in. How many more hot dogs and beer are sold in a 4 hour game vice a 2.5 hr game. They are killing the Golden Goose.


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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 10:17 AM

56. I disagree--Joe Buck is not a member of the lucky sperm club!

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Response to panader0 (Reply #56)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:22 AM

59. Ummm. he's Jack Buck's son. nt

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 11:10 AM

58. Not that it's much better, BUT

one of my longtime traditions has been to mute the TV and listen to the radio -- I actually do this for most big sporting events when I can...Radio calls 90% of the time are just better...

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Response to PCIntern (Original post)

Mon Oct 28, 2013, 02:52 PM

61. Our long national nightmare is over this week

McCarver's retiring!!

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