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Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:55 PM

I think Obama made a big mistake appointing Sebelius as HHS Sec instead of Dr. Dean

Seeing as the ACA was such a huge part of his agenda, having someone with real expertise in health care policy and planning as well as practical experience in implementing health care reform, could have, and I believe would have, made a real difference. Not to mention that he's a physician.

Dean is an exceptionally canny guy- something that used to piss me off at times when he was governor. He frequently outplayed the legislative branch. Now granted, Vermont ain't D.C., but he knows D.C. and demonstrated his planning chops while chair of the DNC.

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Reply I think Obama made a big mistake appointing Sebelius as HHS Sec instead of Dr. Dean (Original post)
cali Oct 2013 OP
Tansy_Gold Oct 2013 #1
truebluegreen Oct 2013 #55
FarPoint Oct 2013 #2
Whisp Oct 2013 #3
Recursion Oct 2013 #4
Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #5
malaise Oct 2013 #6
cali Oct 2013 #10
malaise Oct 2013 #22
cali Oct 2013 #25
malaise Oct 2013 #28
rhett o rick Oct 2013 #47
cali Oct 2013 #8
SunSeeker Oct 2013 #21
malaise Oct 2013 #26
cali Oct 2013 #30
SunSeeker Oct 2013 #42
malaise Oct 2013 #46
cali Oct 2013 #27
SunSeeker Oct 2013 #32
Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #50
CK_John Oct 2013 #7
cali Oct 2013 #9
CK_John Oct 2013 #14
cali Oct 2013 #16
SunSeeker Oct 2013 #31
cali Oct 2013 #34
SunSeeker Oct 2013 #38
hfojvt Oct 2013 #11
leftstreet Oct 2013 #13
etherealtruth Oct 2013 #12
ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #51
etherealtruth Oct 2013 #53
Pisces Oct 2013 #15
cali Oct 2013 #20
Pisces Oct 2013 #24
msongs Oct 2013 #33
KittyWampus Oct 2013 #54
Zorra Oct 2013 #17
treestar Oct 2013 #18
Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #19
kiranon Oct 2013 #23
cali Oct 2013 #29
northoftheborder Oct 2013 #35
Laelth Oct 2013 #36
LadyHawkAZ Oct 2013 #37
Hutzpa Oct 2013 #41
indepat Oct 2013 #39
jsr Oct 2013 #45
Hutzpa Oct 2013 #40
FarCenter Oct 2013 #43
BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #44
Sheepshank Oct 2013 #48
MineralMan Oct 2013 #49
kestrel91316 Oct 2013 #52
AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #56

Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 12:59 PM

1. One of many. n/t

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Response to Tansy_Gold (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:20 PM

55. +1

I too was disappointed in many appointments!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:01 PM

2. Absolutely!

Many of us were greatly disappointed when Obama snubbed Dr Dean. I sense our President regrets that decision today. I know I do.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:07 PM

3. I think Honey Boo Boo could have done better...

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:09 PM

4. How good is Dean at wrangling bureaucracy?

I didn't watch him in VT; at DNC he seemed to have a habit of burning bridges (but that was also exactly what the DNC needed at that moment).

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:09 PM

5. Did you express this opinion when she was appointed HHS secretary almost 5 years ago?

Curious how this post comes out as the GOP is savaging her.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:10 PM

6. Obama has never done anything right for

Cali

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:13 PM

10. that's just a false claim and it sickens me.

you should know better.

I take that back. I really don't expect anything more from you.

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Response to cali (Reply #10)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:32 PM

22. LOL

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Response to malaise (Reply #22)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:33 PM

25. hahahaha. making false claims against DUers is such a cute little riot

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Response to cali (Reply #25)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:36 PM

28. ROFL

I was responding to your expectations from me - water on a duck's back.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:44 PM

47. Just trying to stir the shit. How childish. nm

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:11 PM

8. Yes. And trust you to try and make this out as an anti-Obama post

I know precisely what you're up to.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:32 PM

21. LOL. 5 years ago Cali thought Sebelius was "fantastic."

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:35 PM

26. Not fair

That was not her appointment at Health - and you know Cali and I differ on many things.

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Response to malaise (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:39 PM

30. bwahahahahaha.

waaahhh. not fair.


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Response to malaise (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:18 PM

42. What is unfair is Cali joining the right wing pile on against Sebelius.

Cali gushed about Governor Sebelius during the 2008 campaign, calling her endorsement of Obama a "fantastic endorsement," suggesting that endorsement was one of the reasons those were "heady times" for Obama supporters. Cali's words, not mine.

When Obama appointed Sebelius, there was not a peep out of Cali. As is amply demonstrated of late, Cali never has an unspoken thought when it comes to disagreement with Obama. If she thought Sebelius was a bad choice for HHS, she would have said so 5 years ago. She didn't. Instead, she is just joining the pile on now, when Sebelius is being savaged in the MSM. Not cool. And certainly not fair.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:44 PM

46. I have another post on this thread

and I sure don't want her to resign.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #21)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:35 PM

27. yes, because I've always hated him

though it's the endorsement I said I thought was fantastic. And I never endorsed her for HHS

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Response to cali (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:44 PM

32. I'm sure you can point me to a post when he appointed her that said that, right?

I didn't say you always hated him. But you do seem to have absorbed a lot of right wing talking points about him.

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Response to cali (Reply #27)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 03:53 PM

50. As soon as the GOP starts beating the "fire Sebelius" horse.....

you begin to spread anti-Sebelius propaganda.

It's very curious indeed.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:11 PM

7. Of course this is about insurance and not medical problems, DU seems to like fighting the wrong

problem. She had the ins background not an IT background.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:11 PM

9. it's about precisely what I put in my op.

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Response to cali (Reply #9)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:24 PM

14. And what Ins backgrounnd did Deen have plus Deen and Obama don't like each other. IMO.

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Response to CK_John (Reply #14)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:28 PM

16. gad. It's Dean, not Deen

Dean was governor of Vermont for 12 years and had experience with insurance companies in that capacity and he was a practicing physician as well.

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Response to cali (Reply #16)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:42 PM

31. So? Sebelius was governor of Kansas. And you do know doctors are not IT experts, right?

This difficult roll out is to be laid at the feet of the portion of the Supreme Court's ruling, 18 months before the fed website launch, that allowed 26 red states to pull this stunt, refusing Medicaid funding and dumping their citizens onto the fed exchange. The fed site was never meant to nor was it budgeted to take this sort of traffic. Howard Dean would have been in the same fix. Dean is not an IT expert, and would have hired contractors to do the work just like Sebelius. And the contractors would have been screwed by the SCOTUS ruling under Dean just like they were under Sebelius.

State exchanges with Dem governors are working just fine. The CA exchange has already signed up 290,000 people. Oregon reducing their uninsured population by 10% in just 2 weeks.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #31)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:54 PM

34. So Dr. Dean has made healthcare his focus for over 25 years

And his experience as a Dr. is sure as shit not irrelevant. Plus, he's an effective as hell manager- see the DNC under his watch.

And there's a lot more to the job of Sec of HHS than IT, you know that. Evidently not.

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Response to cali (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:06 PM

38. Healthcare delivery and website design are different skills.

Dean, as wonderful as he is, does not have website design skills.

And you are also making the incorrect assumption that Dean would have taken the job.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:13 PM

11. She was a State Insurance Commissioner for a number of years

The thing that rankled me about it, was that I had Sebelius probably winning a Senate seat (in Kansas!) in 2010.

Maybe that would not have happened anyway, considering the electoral bloodbath of 2010, but it seems to me that in Kansas anyway, that her exit took all of the air out of the KDP and that was one of the reasons we got clobbered in 2010. We didn't have a strong state-wide candidate. As much as I love Senator Tom Holland who ran for Governor, he entered the race late, and without statewide name recognition, and after a lot of flopping around by the party trying to find a candidate.

A couple other things happened as well. Dennis Moore, our six term incumbent from the 3rd district, got early stage Alzheimer's and dropped out, once again leaving the party scrambling for a candidate to start running very late. Sebelius Lt. Governor from 2006 was a former state Republican chair who apparently lacked the guts to run himself. If Sebelius had made a better pick there, the party would have had a strong candidate with statewide name recognition.

Instead, we ended up like a chimpanzee trying to tackle a rhino, and we got flattened.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #11)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:21 PM

13. Everyone forgets she was a fav for that senate seat

That was clearly more important if your party wants a majority...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:14 PM

12. Did Dean want it? Are we sure he didn't ask dean (informally)?

I am asking ... I don't know the answer...?

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Response to etherealtruth (Reply #12)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:01 PM

51. I don't believe that would have happened.

Dean is not close with the DLC types (Clinton/Obama/Reid/etal). The establishment Dems would rather People-powered Howard would just go away.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #51)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:02 PM

53. I didn't think so

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:28 PM

15. I think dfk is lonely and you can keep he/she company.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #15)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:31 PM

20. I can't say what I think of you

and I can't tell you what you should do to yourself. And sadly I can't tell you where you should go.

I can tell you that what you're insinuating is bullshit and I can tell you that I have nothing but contempt for said form of bullshit.

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Response to cali (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:33 PM

24. Ha!

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Response to cali (Reply #20)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:48 PM

33. on DU people who dare criticize the obama crowd are libertarian racist trolls bla bla etc lol

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Response to msongs (Reply #33)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

54. no, just mostly ideologues.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:29 PM

17. I'm withholding further criticism of all things ACA until the bugs are worked out

and republicans are trying desperately to remove their feet from their mouths so they can eat their crow.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:30 PM

18. Of course he did

I don't think there is a single appointment he has chosen correctly for.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:31 PM

19. Another log for the bonfire. n/t

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:33 PM

23. Now is the time to support not attack. The war against ACA

comes from many fronts and I don't think anyone could do any better than Sebelius. Hang in there. It will get better. If so many Republican governors did not opt out of doing there own version of the ACA, there would be fewer problems. These governors opted out in order to cause more strain on the start up of the ACA. California supported the ACA from the get go and set up its own system and it is working much better than the federal version.

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Response to kiranon (Reply #23)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:36 PM

29. I'm not attacking. And I have defended the ACA

but whatever.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 01:59 PM

35. Agree with that! Dean very smart and capable! He's been ignored by Nat. Dem. party. Why?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:04 PM

36. Me too. Water under the bridge. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:06 PM

37. Meanwhile, in Alternate Universe DU this morning:

cali
0. I think Obama made a big mistake appointing Dean as HHS Sec instead of Sebelius


Seeing as the ACA was such a huge part of his agenda, having someone with real expertise in dealing with the insurance industry could have, and I believe would have, made a real difference. Not to mention that she's a woman.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #37)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:14 PM

41. haha

love it.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:08 PM

39. Can't think of many mushy-headed libruls or progressives being appointed to high positions

in BHO's administration. We need strong on national defense, tough on crime, drugs, and terra individuals appointed to high-level government positions, not mushy-headed libruls. Everyone knows libruls is a bad name.

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Response to indepat (Reply #39)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:26 PM

45. Indeed. Wouldn't be prudent.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:13 PM

40. I completely disagree

Kathleen Sebelius has been one of the most effective HHS Sec for a very long time, we all know the right
does not want her as head of the HHS, as a matter of fact the right would like to see all of Obama's
Cabinet replaced if they have their way.

Let's not help them with their one sided narrative, please.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:18 PM

43. Responsibility for the healthcare.gov project is at least 4 levels down from sebelius

Sibelius -> Tavenner -> Snyder -> Trenkle -> Chao

http://www.cms.gov/About-CMS/Agency-Information/CMSLeadership/Office_OIS.html

And the project may be under Monique Outerbridge, Director Consumer Information & Insurance Systems Group

Technology is not an area of importance or competence in the Washington bureaucracy.

Dean wouldn't have made a difference.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:26 PM

44. The President should appoint the people he likes, respects, and wants to see at meetings every day

 

not token liberals to throw crumbs to the base.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:46 PM

48. Oh...#3857461 thing that Obama did wrong, #0 of what he's done right

I get it already!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 02:58 PM

49. Why do you think that?

The roll-out of the federal exchange isn't really one of her primary responsibilities. She has long experience with the insurance industry, which is what ACA implementation is all about. Dean might have been a good choice, too, but he was not the choice, or turned the opportunity down.

The problems with the exchange website is not Ms. Sebelius' fault. She didn't create that website. She is an administrator and has a broad range of responsibilities. Someone else had the responsibility for that website.

You're getting a lot of flack for this post, and perhaps deservedly so. You had no problem with her appointment when it was made, but now that the Republicans are attacking this woman, you are carrying their water here. I don't find that particularly appropriate just now, when the entire ACA is under attack. I'm not surprised, but I don't find it appropriate right now.

That is my opinion. Yours, no doubt, differs.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:01 PM

52. You and I don't agree on much, but I agree on this.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Oct 27, 2013, 04:34 PM

56. At least she is a Democrat (D). It could have been worse.

 

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