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Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:21 PM

The South is Gonna Rise Again!

Can anybody tell me what that means?

And why is this guy Klaymen from Freedomwatch being given so much news coverage? Everyone one MSNBC keeps playing it over and over?
Why is he getting a national pulpit to spew his stupid bullshit?

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Reply The South is Gonna Rise Again! (Original post)
Callmecrazy Oct 2013 OP
napi21 Oct 2013 #1
libdem4life Oct 2013 #2
NuclearDem Oct 2013 #3
nomorenomore08 Oct 2013 #4
flamingdem Oct 2013 #5
Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #6
Southside Oct 2013 #7
PDJane Oct 2013 #8
Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #10
PDJane Oct 2013 #12
Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #17
pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #19
Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #21
LanternWaste Oct 2013 #14
Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #18
Aristus Oct 2013 #9
HughBeaumont Oct 2013 #11
pitbullgirl1965 Oct 2013 #20
JI7 Oct 2013 #13
Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #15
dionysus Oct 2013 #16

Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:23 PM

1. Because many people thought LArry was sort of sane. He's obviously NOT

and MSNBC wants to make sure everyone knows that.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:24 PM

2. I thought the same thing. Two minutes from Alan Grayson. It's just that sanity and reason doesn't

play well on cable tv. It's like a real parent saying "no". Doesn't leave much room for tantrums and drama.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:25 PM

3. Once their Cialis arrives.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:29 PM

4. In this case "the South" is shorthand for "white supremacy."

So in other words, they would prefer an America which more closely resembles antebellum times, or at least pre-Civil Rights Movement times.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:34 PM

5. Larry Klanman with his "On your knees" comments

should be ignored by the media once this over.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:35 PM

6. "Im Süden wird wieder steigen"

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:36 PM

7. That coward, "figuratively come out..."

"...wage a second American NONVIOLENT revolution,....FIGURATIVELY come out with his hands up," he said.

Some threat!

By using words like "nonviolent" and "figuratively", he sounds like a guy who wanted to be provocative and not end up in jail for threatening the President.

Klayman next time be bold, do not hide your tough guy statements behind legally benign language.


Oh just checked he is an attorney. If he started a root he can say I told the crowd no violence...I said figuratively!

Coward

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:42 PM

8. The South is romanticized.

It never was anything but brutal and ignorant, and all the fine clothing and chivalry won't cover that up.

The fact that they lost the war between the states means that they have felt taken advantage of for years. Some of their grievances have substance, most don't. Their racism and their anger with their loss basically means that they are perpetual losers, and their 'superior civilization' is a waste. They feel that their economic star will rise again; in the meantime, they are making sure that it won't!

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Response to PDJane (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:58 PM

10. Not all places in the Old South were "brutal and ignorant"

"By the beginning of the Civil War, Fayetteville (Arkansas) had become a prosperous community. One Union soldier described it as "a beautiful little hamlet nestling among the foothills of the Ozark range…the chief education center of the state, the home of culture, refinement and that inborn hospitality so characteristic of the South."

http://www.cem.va.gov/cems/nchp/fayetteville.asp

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:26 PM

12. Yes, but...and there is a but.

The fact is that the south that cotton built, with those lovely estates, women and men of leisure, duels and honour, was a fabrication.

The architecture was lovely, the land beautiful, true. But the entire system sucked money out of the system, much like the current system does, and there was no safety net of any kind to even out the results. Drug addiction was a common thing, disease was normal, childbirth was dangerous, and more so for those without means.

It was a standard unequal society, with the viciousness that this kind of inequality engenders.

The romantic notions involved in that business of the south rising again are just not something to be wished for.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #12)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:26 PM

17. Fayetteville, Arkansas, is not in the cotton belt

There were a few slaves there, but the economy thrived because, as the Union soldier noted, the town was a center of learning and culture.

And the problems you describe in the South were also quite prevalent in the North. Whereas the South utilized slave labor, the North had no problems with exploiting child labor, and immigrant labor. The great steel mills of Pittsburgh and coal mines of Pennsylvania were manned by men who worked 'til they died, with no safety net, because the steel and coal barons knew they could easily hire replacements when workers died. And a lot of those replacements were kids. And the farms of the North utilized a different kind of slave labor, more like indentured servants-- farm kids who were forced to work on their parents' farms until they reached adulthood. My great-grandfather, for example, took my grandfather out of school in his senior year in high school in Kansas just so he could spend one more year working on the farm. And that was apparently fairly common.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #17)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:42 PM

19. True.

And the problems you describe in the South were also quite prevalent in the North. Whereas the South utilized slave labor, the North had no problems with exploiting child labor, and immigrant labor

Yes, we passed laws against child labor and labor abuse which that ended those abuses. In the South though, former slaves still had to endure systemic racism, lynching, disenfranchisement et al.and the effects of that are still being felt.

So get them Tea bag jerks outta your state.

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Response to pitbullgirl1965 (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 10:02 PM

21. Child labor was quite prevalent well into the 20th century

in both North and South.

And while former slaves did have to endure systemic racism, lynching, disenfranchisement, etc., Lyndon Johnson, a Southerner, effectively put an end to that crap. And it should be noted that the 1920s revival of the Ku Klux Klan started in Indiana, and the famous photograph showing Klansmen riding a Ferris wheel was taken in Canon City, Colorado.

There are "teabag jerks" everywhere. I cannot kick them out of Arkansas, any more than you can kick them out of your state. The best I can do is cast a vote for the best candidate, and hope that my vote is counted. But at least in Arkansas, there is a sensible Democratic governor, as well as extended Medicaid, and no "stand-your-ground" law.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:15 PM

14. An oasis in the desert rarely denies the existence of said desert.

An oasis in the desert rarely denies the existence of said desert.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:28 PM

18. Well the North wasn't exactly a bastion of culture out in the boondocks

or in the industrial towns, for that matter.

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:42 PM

9. And if it does, we kick its ass again.

And we'll have a lot of allies this time. No sitting around waiting while Britain and France temporize like they did in the 1860's. Every forward-thinking progressive country in the world will join the US in a smackdown of any Teabagger confederacy that can organize something more effective than a drunken weekend hunting party.

And as the new modern-day South gets more and more progressive, we'll hear less and less of that idiotic refrain...

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:22 PM

11. The Lost Cause of the South:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_South

Still believe that the Confederacy wasn't about slavery and racism? Well, their own vice-president, Alexander H. Stephens, disagrees with you. An excerpt from his famous cornerstone speech:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

Among the various Articles of Secession promulgated by the would be members of the Confederacy were:

Georgia,

"The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery."

(snip)

Texas

"Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union...She was received into the confederacy...as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.

In all the non-slave-holding States...the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party...based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States

...all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations..."

Constituent assemblies for the other members of the Confederacy all underscored in their discussions the need to maintain a slave society and economy.

Now do you think the South wasn't racist, or that slavery was just a minor issue in the declarations that led to the treasonous War to Preserve Slavery?

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Response to HughBeaumont (Reply #11)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:47 PM

20. Disgusting.

frightening, evil. I want to cry when I read that. How could that be justified? Oh sorry and I love the Christian nation bit in there. That's not the first time I've heard it used to justify slavery and genocide against Native persons!
My god they're a cancer aren't they?

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:28 PM

13. because it's types like him that we have this govt shut down

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:18 PM

15. For the South to rise again it would need a Viagra the size of Cuba

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Response to Callmecrazy (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 09:20 PM

16. change one letter, add another, and Klaymen becomes klansmen

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