All these Pro/anti-Obama threads that have popped up on DU as of late, just

[Duct Tape]

prove why it was never a good idea to demand that OWS be "clearer" on their goals. The Left tends to fracture easily.

Note: I'm not linking the anger with Obama to OWS, I'm just using OWS as an example of how much better the Left does when not debating specifics.

[peacebird]

1. How did you make that leap? People are angry not about OWS but about Obamas actions and inactions.

[Duct Tape]

4. I wasn't saying the anger had anything to do with OWS, I was just using OWS as an example of how

much better the Left does when we're not debating specifics.

[FarLeftFist]

7. Actually, I think it's time to start getting back to specifics, like: JOBS!

[Duct Tape]

26. That's a good point and as far as the national debate goes you're right. I'm just weary of all this

internal fighting over policies.

[coalition_unwilling]

30. WTF? Is this specific enough for you? 1% of the population of the U.S. controls

40% of the wealth of the U.S.

I'll go head to head on specific terms with any Repuke or Dem willing to attempt a defense of that concentration of wealth. And I will win.

[Duct Tape]

33. I'm not defending that concentration of wealth. I'm A

Socialist so I'm the last person who would be defending the elite. You're right that is a specific criticism but I'm talking about what would happen if OWS started debating what to do. For example, some want a complete change in the system and others just want to re-regulate. I was trying to draw upon the divisiveness of Obama's decisions, like health care, to point out how deadly such a debate could turn out. Some think that it didn't go far enough and others think that detractors are just whiners. I just want to make sure that we all stay united in the fight against the elite.

[peacebird]

32. Thanks, I misunderstood

[Renew Deal]

2. Haters gonna hate

The fact is that anytime Obama has another major success or promise kept, the haters go nuts. It's kind of amusing.

[teddy51]

10. Why do you keep using the term "Haters"? I don't think that anyone here that critizes the Presdent

hates him, they may be disappointed in him but they don't hate him.

[Renew Deal]

13. I disagree

I don't think everyone hates him, but I think some people have lost the plot.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. So if criticizing say, his anti marriage equality stance is 'hate'

what do you call the stance itself, which is that some groups are 'Sanctified' and others are not and thus should not share equal rights? That sounds much worse than 'I disagree with his policy'. It is 'we are better than them, and God says so, and they should not be our equals'. Hate. At least.
Most of you who toss the word hate like a nerf ball don't deal with the real thing in life at all so they think hate is just some rhetoric like 'centrist' or 'bipartisanship'.

[teddy51]

18. Well personally, I don't hate President Obama at all I just disagree with him on lots of

issues. I reserve my hate for Bush and Cheney and most of his dim wits.

[emilyg]

14. I don't hate him. Just

don't agree with them quite often.

[sibelian]

23. More "observers of cynical manipulation gonna observe..."

And, possibly, wish things were otherwise.

[Skinner]

3. "As of late"?

There weren't Pro/anti-Obama threads here all along?

[Duct Tape]

6. I know they've been floating around for a long time but it just seems like with the Indefinite

Detention bill, people took the opportunity to double down on their anger or support.

[teddy51]

12. Some here are very disappointed in not only President Obama with respect to this bill (He said he

would veto it, but he didn't follow through), but certainly with the Senators that wrote and passed this bill. I think most knew that house would pass it, with a majority of Republicans, but not the Senate.

[scarletwoman]

24. Yes, but there were two different forums on DU2. That accomplished quite a bit of self-segregation.

I'm pretty sure that quite a number of posters kept to either GD or GDP and rarely crossed over. Now everyone has been thrown together into one forum and the differences that always existed have now been heightened by the forced (so to speak) integration, imho.

It's not comfortable, people are edgy, and the pre-existing factions are jockeying for dominance.

That's how I see it, anyway.

sw

[kestrel91316]

25. Took the words right out of my mouth....

[Charronxyz]

5. Even Obama supporters...

Even Obama supporters tell us endlessly that he is not and has never been left or even liberal (on that point I agree) so I don't see this as a division of the left but two opposing forces.

[Starry Messenger]

8. Festivus.

[elleng]

9. Yes, the left 'fractures easily,' and eats its young,

by its nature, I think; really appreciates diversity of all sorts, particularly including opinion, unlike repugs, who are, I think, having problems adjusting to diversity of opinion among their own.

[McCamy Taylor]

11. These are a function of no "unrecs". Very predictable.

[Lionessa]

15. Popping up??? This has been going on for years. Pretty much started when Obama picked that

California homophobe for his inaugural prayer thingy and his cabinet. Hasn't eased since.

[Remember Me]

22. Yeah, but there seemed to be a hot rash of them with the opening of DU3

I considered it temporary -- but there were suddenly more than usual, and some of the pro-bots seemed a little more hysterical than usual.

[orpupilofnature57]

16. Republicans bolster their allies with Bullshit ,dems want the best

which takes Castigation and ridicule ,thats why I'm on DU and all Good things take work ,HENCE http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/09/03_hard.html

[Lint Head]

19. Fence sitters waste their time and other people's time.

Generalities solve nothing. Analyzing the specifics to get to the root of our problems is the only way to solve them.
George Bush is a war criminal and water boarding is torture. Those are specifics and those specifics can be polarizing if one disagrees with those facts. People can have their own truth but not there own facts.

[HockeyMom]

20. Republicans are imploding

over who is the most conservative, religious, Republican, etc. If we don't use this to OUR advantage, we are fools.

[EFerrari]

21. There are posters trying to get their digs in, taking advantage of the switch to DU3.

It's unfortunate but predictable.

[juajen]

27. There's nothing unusual about this type of discourse on DU

We have never marched in lockstep and dissension is very good for a democracy. We do still believe in democracy, don't we?

[applegrove]

28. I think the words "Obama defender" is a gop meme. The proper words are Obama supporter as another

DUer said.

[JDPriestly]

29. I think you are talking about the creativity and dynamism of the liberal left.

The Marxist or extreme socialist left is just as rigid in its ideology as the conservative right.

We in the progressive or liberal left are not driven by an ideology. We allow ourselves to respond to the reality.

That makes us resourceful and creative, but it means that we appear to be confused, even chaotic. We aren't. That appearance is deceptive.

We know precisely where we are headed -- we are exploring to find the answers to the challenges we face. We are looking for ideas that will serve us well in the future.

So that is why we on the liberal left seem to bicker a lot. We are not cutting our ideas out of a pattern book that somebody wrote long ago. We don't have store-bought, follow-the-dots answers to everything. We are creative and dynamic.

[Tx4obama]

31. The reason there are 'more' Obama threads in GD now is because there isn't a GD-P forum on DU3

Hope that helps to explain the situation a bit.