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Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:16 AM

If you could not live in the USA, where would you live, and why ?

Canada springs to mind for me, the healthcare system and its similarities to the USA.

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Reply If you could not live in the USA, where would you live, and why ? (Original post)
steve2470 Mar 2012 OP
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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:20 AM

1. I've lived in Germany and Australia

but there have been so many changes I don't think I'd do either. If I had the money, I live on Malta. They speak English, close to the mainland of Europe, weather pretty nice all the time. Ain't cheap, however.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:21 AM

2. Canada.. maybe Taiwan.

BUT if i had the money... Moorea, TAHITI would be wonderful.


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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:43 AM

8. wow, gorgeous photos, would be wonderful to go there one day ! nt

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:13 AM

21. French Polynesian islands gets my vote too.

How expensive can it be to live off grid in a hut in the rain forest?

on edit - then again maybe Sicily, southern Italy or a Greek island.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:59 PM

49. I felt the same way when I was there

Just did not want to leave.
Palau is also beautiful.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:23 AM

3. Pandora

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:35 AM

4. Probably Canada or England, for their cool climate and they speak English.

Australia - too hot
New Zealand - earthquakes

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:46 AM

5. If I had no money issues, I would live in France.

But then I am a big Francophile.

With my limited budget I live in Thailand with affordable dental and health care with an amazing low cost of living for a very high quality of life.

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Response to Paka (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:31 AM

65. I'm with you on France - or maybe Italy.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:41 AM

6. Luxembourg without a doubt

in some sleepy mountain village...

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:08 PM

43. Maybe you mean Liechtenstein with the mountains? nt

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:09 PM

54. The Ardennes are partially in Luxembourg

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Response to RainDog (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:21 PM

62. They are smaller mountains... similar to the Appalachians in some ways...

View from the castle in Vianden, LX



Twilight time in Vianden

?zz=1

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Response to JCMach1 (Reply #62)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:20 PM

87. Very pretty.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:42 AM

7. Canada has Harper--he's the Bush of the North.

It's not the paradise some think it is, anymore. Nice people, though.

Bermuda? Bahamas? BVI? Or maybe somewhere on the edge...like the substantially depopulated island of Montserrat....I've always wanted to learn more about volcanoes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montserrat

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Response to MADem (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:52 AM

10. And judging by the polls, Australia will next year have Prime Minister Abbott

So right wing that he'll make Sarah Palin look like Paul Wellstone

Hopefully the Greens will still hold the balance of power in the Senate so they'll prevent him inflicting too much damage

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:46 AM

9. Canada, the UK, or Australia. Even their right-wingers are slightly more tolerable than ours.

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Response to FLAprogressive (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:54 AM

12. Not really. They're pretty odious, they just have more charming accents. nt

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:54 AM

11. Toulouse France

It is a completely schizophrenic place - a confused hybrid of Mediterranean France and suburban California but I am quite taken with it.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:58 AM

13. One of the Scandinavian countries

Finland is the most independent but maybe Sweden would be a more practical choice --- better climate, too.

On the other hand Australia has much to offer. It's a beautiful continent. Aussie's have a wonderful sense of humor. And there's always "footie" (Aussie rules football).

Note: English is spoken by a vast number of people in many countries. In countries in northern Europe many people are trilingual.

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Response to longship (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:35 AM

83. I thought the same n/t

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 05:59 AM

14. Germany

For the good beer.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:03 AM

15. France or Italy

Think about it more and more each day, actually.

mikey_the_rat

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:04 AM

16. Japan

I have never been there but, on average, they seem to value social harmony to the same degree as myself. I realize exceptions occur there and all places have their issues but I just sense I would be more comfortable there than anywhere else.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:30 AM

17. BERMUDA..zero illiteracy, zero poverty, and one guy unemployed and they all know who he is

at least when we visited several years ago.. heavenly beautiful place, where they still
serve high tea in the afternoon. And, only a couple hour flight from US

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 06:54 AM

18. Your finances and your age figure in,,,

Are you going to work or lie on the beach?
I lived in Japan seventeen years. Went there at age 52, Made good money teaching English, but it is a country for younger foreigners. And, the Japanese are difficult to befriend and don't care if you are there or not.
However, it is almost a cliche that it can be a candy store for young guys for a couple years. I had several fine girlfriends at my age and married one.
I am now 75 and living in the Philippines the last six years on a retiree visa. Suits me fine, as I have pensions and a little savings and the Phils are cheap.
My second choice was Greece. It might be worth investigating as economical due to its current financial situation.

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Response to Oldfolkie (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 07:59 AM

75. I'll agree that Japan is a country for younger foreigners

I'm surprised that you were able to meet someone at 52 or older, however, since by that age most foreign men have fallen off the radar.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:05 AM

19. Mexico...

it's my second home and where I research. My husband would give biking tours.

I'd also like to live anywhere in northern Europe. I've never been, but friends and family assure me I'd love it.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:09 AM

20. Austria. I can claim citizenship there.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:20 AM

22. Toronto...my favorite city in North America...

fantabulous place...

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:35 AM

84. love T Dot

Both of my daughters are dual citizens, and the youngest wants to move back to Toronto some day.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:25 AM

23. Lately I've been hooked on the House Hunters International shows and

the south of France looks really, really nice. Realistically, we're close to Canada, husband has dual citizenship, so we'd probably go somewhere in the Maritimes.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:32 AM

24. Wyoming

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Response to KG (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 07:59 AM

25. I'm sure this factored into your decision

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002360177

(Wyoming) Doomsday bill moves forward, minus the aircraft carrier


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Response to KG (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:10 AM

27. Really?

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:11 AM

28. Realistically, probably England. My husband has dual citizenship and has family there.

If money wasn't an issue, maybe Belize or New Zealand.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:22 AM

29. Koh Samui, Thailand

Why? I have family there; cost of living is wicked cheap; have you seen the movie "The Beach," with Leo DiCaprio? It was filmed there...freakin' paradise. I've visited once, and have been wanting to go back ever since.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:26 AM

30. Galicia Spain in a heart beat

Beautiful!!!! Also a little different

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:29 AM

31. Campagnia, Italy

Its where my family is from. I never lived there but when I visit I feel like I belong.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:37 AM

32. Lately, I'm not so sure I'm living in the USA.

At least I wonder, sometimes...............

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:40 AM

33. In Southern Italy or the Alsass Loraine region of France.

that is if I could support myself.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:43 AM

34. Nova Scotia or Newfoundland

Yes, I realize Harpo is Bush North.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:50 AM

35. If I didn't have money issues, I'd live in Portugal, despite their economic woes

I'm a big Lusophile.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:45 PM

36. vancouver, b.c.

for stuff like this

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:49 PM

37. I'd go to Canada, too,

particularly western Canada which is most like Alaska. Actually, I'd be fine with the US selling Alaska to Canada. Please. With our resources, we should command a healthy selling price and help with the national deficit.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:50 PM

38. Japan

I speak the language, could find free-lance work there, and have lots of friends there, plus I've lived there before and know how things work.

The obstacle is the residency visa. You have to have a job offer, a lot of money upfront, Japanese ancestry, or a Japanese spouse. I qualify on none of these factors.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:52 PM

47. I think a lot of people here don't realize, like you do ........

....., that you can't just decide to move to and live in most countries just because you want to. You need a visa, or a job, or some other requirements. A lot of folks in the USA that have not traveled much abroad don't realize that there are restrictions in most countries.

I'm not even sure I could go back to Taiwan, where my wife is from.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:15 PM

56. same here. still looking to move there but incredibly difficult. nt

 

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:55 PM

39. Somewhere with a great veggie growing climate.

 

I'm basically happy where I am. Everywhere sucks at times to the people living there. We could just play musical chairs every ten years - pick a country and grab some wood. If you're left out, you're SOL - go to Antarctica. Nah, wouldn't be fair to the penguins.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 03:57 PM

40. While working: Australia

Singapore
Canada (Vancouver)
New Zealand
Germany


For retirement:
Belize
Thailand
Phillipines

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:01 PM

41. New Zealand

It is beautiful, the people are mellow and easygoing, and it's about as far away as possible from the open-air lunatic asylum this country is becoming.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 04:04 PM

42. The British Isles, preferrably Scotland.

Visited there twice and wished that I could stay.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:36 PM

44. Mediterranean Isle of Corfu

Spent one month there in 1971 when I was in the US Navy. I loved everything about that island, especially the people!

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:40 PM

45. Scotland

because it's incredibly beautiful (for now, I mean) and that's where some of my ancestors are from, also it's SO beautiful!!! Oh did I already say that?

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:44 PM

46. I love the Med. LOVE it!!!

I've checked out Croatia (really on the Adriatic, but not a big dif) some of the Greek Islands, South of France, Malta, Spain....but NOTHING, seriously ****NOTHING**** beats Italy. Truly my favorite place on the globe. I'd choose to live on the coast outside of Rome, around the town of Fumicino or a little bit south (Sorrento's not exactly a hole, either!) Then there's Amalfi, or Santa Margherita up north, and there is no place on earth like Venice.

I do know the country is a hot mess, the corruption from the top makes us look like petty larceners. But none of that puts a single dent in my love for that big ole boot in that beautiful, historic sea.

Aw, crap. Now I wanna go immediately!

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 08:56 PM

48. Denmark, Free colledge education.

 

Better standard of living for the 99% as well.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:38 PM

50. Southern France or coastal Italy.

Or possibly Sydney.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:43 PM

51. Since I've never been anywhere, I don't know. Ireland, Canada, & France seem beautiful. nt

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:50 PM

52. cold and green. so canada would work. ireland, scotland... nt

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 09:54 PM

53. I'm surprised no one's yet said Switzerland

I've never seen anyplace more beautiful than the Bernese Oberland. Even the cows are pretty! And I've still never figured out where they hide their trash.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:14 PM

55. A much better question would be "why do we seem to be so trapped in the US?" nt

 

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:16 PM

57. Either Canada, the UK, or New Zealand.

Health care systems would be the main reason along with their more leftist politics.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:17 PM

58. I liked Victoria Canada when I visited.

It might be a bit pricey, but I liked the shopping and restaurants and Vancouver is a ferry ride away, or you could slip back into the USA to Seattle now and then for whatever you feel you need from the USA.

However, I think, in spite of all its problems, the Greek islands call to me as well.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:32 PM

59. Europe or Ecuador (rated #1 best place to retire)

Coincidentally this is is the headline story today on Intl Living homepage.

Enjoy a Comfortable Quality of Life in Europe

http://internationalliving.com/2012/03/enjoy-a-comfortable-quality-of-life-in-europe/

And IL rates Ecuador the best place to retire in the world. It has everything plus very cheap living. $600 a month is good enough for comfortable living.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:35 PM

60. French Polynesia

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 10:53 PM

61. The Netherlands

and I absolutely will if my job goes to pot.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Mon Mar 5, 2012, 11:50 PM

63. Any northern country with an accessible health care system.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:28 AM

64. Bermuda

Very expensive to live, but breathtakingly beautiful.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:35 AM

66. Not bitin'. I love living in the US of A.

I've been up, I've been down, I've been all around.

Yeah, I'm nobody, and I came from nowhere.

I have toys, a view out my window, a job I love, and the right to speak my mind about the President of my country as long as it's complimentary.

Gotta love that.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #66)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 06:39 AM

70. I'm not moving either, unless my son moves (maybe)

Just a thought experiment

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:40 AM

67. Definitely a tropical beach.

Bermuda comes to mind.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:42 AM

68. Katmandu



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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 06:40 AM

71. Finland

Best place to live as per Newsweek. Plus I'm an introvert and it is a nation of introverts so I'll fit right in. And since all 4 grandparents were Finnish immigrants, I have lots of family there.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 07:06 AM

72. South Carolina

Beautiful beaches, stable economy, and many of the locals speak English.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #72)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 07:18 AM

73. do they require a visa for entry ?

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 07:25 AM

74. Well...I guess I would have to say Kiev, Ukraine...

Since I've been here over six years now.

Way affordable compared to NJ, but only if you have some savings when you arrive. Otherwise, you'll need to make it on local wages.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 08:17 AM

76. Amsterdam… In a heartbeat

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 08:56 AM

77. the moon....

still waiting for those moon colonies they promised us... oh yeah... and my flying jetsons car...

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:06 AM

78. I'd go to Canada, I have relatives there. nt

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:10 AM

79. I have considered moving to west Texas does that count?

People who travel a lot and I trust have told me this is one of the most beautiful places to live on earth.

Don

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:14 AM

80. Italy, because it would be incredibly easy for me (Italian citizen)

and my pets and husband. He could even find work in his specialized field. I asked him many times to work with headhunters to find a position in Italy... anywhere in Italy is fine, though I'm from a north-central city that is very liberal and cosmopolitan (but with a super high cost of living).

If money were no object, Tahiti, Moorea or Bora Bora would do... I wonder how easy it would be to live there as a EU passport holder??? (anyone know?)

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:23 AM

81. Canada, England or Italy.

Canada because they have cool cities and outrageously beautiful scenery when you want to get out of town. England or Italy because of the museums, and you can get to damn near anywhere else in Europe by train.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:33 AM

82. Foggia, Italy.

My mother's entire family on her father's side is from there. Aunts, uncles, parents, grandparents. The Italian influence was huge on me growing up. Most of my Mom's cousins and other relatives ended up in Long Island (after her Grandparents came trough to Ellis Island). But my Mom's father moved to Connecticut and we have been here since. The customs, the food, the culture was just really a big part of my childhood. At Christmas we always had lasagna with Italian cordials. We learned Italian words. My Mom says she would love to make a trip there someday. I guess if I was forced to move I would love to see where my Great aunts and uncles and great Grandparents came from.

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Response to steve2470 (Original post)

Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:36 AM

85. Hawaii....

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Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:37 AM

86. canada, britian, somewhere in scandinavia.. because they're cool, among other, more

important reasons...

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Tue Mar 6, 2012, 09:28 PM

88. Finland with Denmark a close second. Nt

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