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Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:47 AM

The ACA *is* the COMPROMISE plan. Democrats wanted single payer or at the very least

a public option.


Does anyone have anything pointing to this? How they mired it with compromise after compromise and still didn't vote for it?

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Reply The ACA *is* the COMPROMISE plan. Democrats wanted single payer or at the very least (Original post)
LaydeeBug Oct 2013 OP
vt_native Oct 2013 #1
LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #3
djean111 Oct 2013 #2
boston bean Oct 2013 #4
LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #6
LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #5
leftstreet Oct 2013 #7
LaydeeBug Oct 2013 #8
leftstreet Oct 2013 #11
djean111 Oct 2013 #9
bigdarryl Oct 2013 #10
solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #12

Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:53 AM

1. Which Democrats ?

Max Baucus ?

PBO (who bargained away single payer with Big hosp/ Big Pharma)


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Response to vt_native (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:58 AM

3. Both points v true, and welcome to DU vt_native, but the point of fact is

The republicans mired it with change after change and then STILL didn't vote for it.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 07:57 AM

2. I have been informed that "Democrats" did not want single payer, emo-progs do.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:00 AM

4. Sort of hard to say it was a compromise

when it was never on the table. Single Payer advocates weren't invited to the table. In facct when they tried to take a seat, they were taken away in handcuffs.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:02 AM

6. This is v true. nt

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:10 AM

7. Nonsense. Democrats never wanted single payer

They arrested single payer advocates rather than let them have a seat at the table

The Democrats and Republicans both wanted mandatory for-profit insurance

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:15 AM

8. So The Heritage Foundation's plan was their "goal"?

Don't get me wrong the admin could have done much better (understatement) but the ACA is not a compromise?

Is that what you're saying?

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Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:23 AM

11. Yes

GOPers introduced 2 bills as far back as '93 for mandated health insurance


Conservative Origins of Obamacare

Here’s a useful resource for tracking the history of the ideas embodied in the Affordable Care Act.

The essence of Obamacare, as of Romneycare, is a three-legged stool of regulation and subsidies: community rating requiring insurers to make the same policies available to everyone regardless of health status; an individual mandate, requiring everyone to purchase insurance, so that healthy people don’t opt out; and subsidies to keep insurance affordable for those with lower incomes.

The original Heritage plan from 1989 had all these features.

These days, Heritage strives mightily to deny the obvious; it picks at essentially minor differences between what it used to advocate and the plan Democrats actually passed, and tries to make them seem like a big deal. But this is disinformation. The essential features of the ACA — above all, the mandate — are ideas Republicans used to support.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/conservative-origins-of-obamacare/?_r=0

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:17 AM

9. That is how I feel. Looking at actions and results, not campaign blather.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:19 AM

10. An Administration official was on Bill Mahar show two weeks ago and he said

There will be NO single payer system in the future and never what we have is it. Mahar asked him that the ACA is the first step to single payer system and he said no.So LaydeeBug your right it is a compromise to the insurance companies.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2013, 08:50 AM

12. a flash from the past (Special Comment from KO)

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