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Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:44 PM

How an 8-year-old girl got some sexist kids' books yanked from the bookstore

How my 8-year-old daughter got some sexist kids' books yanked from the bookstore
BY CONSTANCE COOPER
Our family was browsing in a bookstore when my daughter called out, “Mama, you have to look at this!” Usually this is a happy cry, but not this time.

She'd found a pair of books. One was Boys Only: How to Survive (Almost) Anything! Its cover showed a boy confronting a crocodile. The other book was the girls' version. Its cover had one girl fluffing her hair while wearing a rhinestone-studded miniskirt, and another riding on a zip line while talking on the phone.



It wasn't until my daughter compared the tables of contents, though, that she became irate to the point of tears. In case you might find this as morbidly fascinating as I do, I will reproduce the pages here:
For boys:

Warning!
How to Survive a Shark Attack
How to Survive in a Forest
How to Survive Frostbite
How to Survive a Plane Crash
How to Survive in a Desert
How to Avoid a Polar Bear Attack
How to Survive a Flash Flood
How to Treat a Broken Leg
How to Survive an Earthquake
How to Survive a Forest Fire
How to Survive in a Whiteout
How to Survive a Zombie Invasion
How to Survive a Snake Bite
How to Survive If Your Parachute Fails
How to Survive a Croc Attack
How to Survive a Lightning Strike
How to Survive a T-Rex
How to Survive Whitewater Rapids
How to Survive a Sinking Ship
How to Survive a Vampire Attack
How to Survive an Avalanche
How to Survive a Tornado
How to Survive Quicksand
How to Survive a Fall
How to Survive a Swarm of Bees
How to Survive in Space


For girls:

Warning!
How to Survive a BFF Fight
How to Survive Football Trials
How to Survive a Breakout
How to Show You're Sorry
How to Have the Best Sleepover Ever
How to Look Your Best for a Party
How to Survive Siblings
Scary Survival Dos and Don'ts
How to Handle Becoming Rich
How to Keep Stuff Secret
How to Survive Tests
How to Survive Shyness
How to Handle Sudden Stardom
More Stardom Survival Tips
How to Survive a Camping Trip
How to Survive a Fashion Disaster
How to Teach Your Cat to Sit
How to Turn a No into a Yes
Top Tips for Speech-making
How to Survive Embarrassment
How to Create a Diversion
How to Survive a Crush
Seaside Survival
How to Soothe Sunburn
How to Pick Perfect Sunglasses
Surviving a Zombie Attack
How to Spot a Frenemy
Brilliant Boredom Busters
How to Survive Truth or Dare
How to Beat Bullies
How to Be a Brilliant Baby-Sitter



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She insisted we had to tell the manager how unfair these books were, and a nearby employee heard her and asked if she could help. Kudos to Half Price Books: the employee was horrified. She agreed that the books were offensive, and although we hadn't requested it, she yanked all copies (boy and girl) from the shelf. She also gave my daughter a coupon, which she used on a YA fantasy novel.


links and more:
http://www.constancecooper.com/2013/10/how-my-8-year-old-daughter-got-some.html

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kpete Oct 2013 OP
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:46 PM

1. You're raising a great daughter! n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:50 PM

4. not me

Constance Cooper is the author
and her daughter is an inspiration.


peace, kp

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:48 PM

2. cool kid. cool mom and cool bookstore employee

kudos all around

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:49 PM

3. Why is it sexist? Everyone knows bees and sharks only attack boys!



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:54 PM

5. "How to Teach Your Cat to Sit"? I'd like to read that chapter, actually

If only for the hopelessness...

But seriously, good job by your daughter (and you, by extension). Even though the boys' version is tongue in cheek and (I hope to god!) few boys will have to deal with that stuff, the stereotypes displayed there are hideous...

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Response to petronius (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:18 PM

8. I once taught my cat to lay around the house and do nothing... n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 04:59 PM

67. Yeah, that's the easiest trick I taught my cat.

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Response to petronius (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:41 PM

11. I used to have a cat I taught to sit. He had a habit of standing in front of my little B&W tv when

I had it on the dining table so he could watch basketball. I wanted to watch, too. So I made him sit down if he was gonna be right in front of it. He was really good about that.

Now I have one that I have taught to lay down on command so he doesn't pester me all night in bed. He gets it right about 3/4 of the time.

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Response to petronius (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:12 PM

19. I am more interested in the how to survive parachute not opening..

Grow wings?
Pray?
?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:55 PM

6. I don't know how to feel about this...

Clearly it's sexist, but I dunno... Not sure it's any worse than the 'princess' or 'GI Joe' aisle of any given big.box.mart with a toy section.

I'm open to anyone who might be willing to spell it out for me.

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:11 PM

7. Small difference...

Toymakers do not label the products by gender. They're color-coded and yes, clearly targeted... but that clarity is really a product of a whole collection of cultural preconceptions we have already, that the toymakers just capitalize (literally) upon. Hasbro, Mattel, Lego, these companies may market by gender, but they will never label their product by gender, as doing so would pare away a potential market (a lesson that people like myself have been teaching Hasbro for three years now )

On the other hand, these books do expressly segregate by gender. One is "for boys," the other is "for girls." And unlike toys, where really anyone can pick it up and get the same functionality out of it, the content of these books is obviously very different. Like... grotesquely different.

That's the difference. Targeted marketing based on assumed divisions vs. directly segregated marketing.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:47 PM

12. I agree.

It's the fact that they are books that are expressing that certain ideas are only for boys while others are only for girls that makes this especially egregious. I'm not exactly thrilled about the marketing of toys, either.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:56 PM

13. Thank you, Scootaloo...

I think I see what you mean. The difference being that toy stores may or may not actually label their aisles specifically by gender; thereby defining an expected male/female outcome. (Any kid can buy from whichever aisle attracts them.)

So, marketing to genders in such an obviously sexist manner is not acceptable in 2013...especially in books.. or is that true?

What about books that are marketed by gender? (Nancy Drew, Hardy Boys.) There are millions of them. That's how I see these comic books; one example of millions of other stereotypically gender based book marketing examples. Sexist without a doubt but there it is...

How do you pull these two comic books from the shelves without acknowledging the others? And what about sexism in video games, music, etc.

I guess my point is that sexism is rampant. I suppose pulling these two books could be conceived as a good start?... or is it really just a drop in the bucket?

TYY



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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:58 PM

14. It's really just a drop in the bucket

The story here is more about the awareness of the eight year old girl, and the reinforcement of that awareness by the salesperson.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:00 PM

15. Aah... Ok, thanks. :) ..nt

TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #13)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:17 AM

25. nancy drew and hardy boys may have specific genders but they are not overtly sexist. drew is

very active and accomplished in her stories. they are both treat as humans not gender. because they each represent a gender and reach out to a particular gender does not make them sexist nor unreadable for the other gender.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #25)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:41 AM

31. I used to read my sister's Nancy Drew's

After I'd finished my Hardy Boys'. The books were similar - a little more physical action in the Hardy Boys, but both series described adventure and showcased the resourcefulness of the protagonists.

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Response to JBoy (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:47 AM

33. i did the same. really enjoyed the drew books and really liked the hardys too.

especially when they brought the two together.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:14 AM

23. in print, in words, side by side. there is no ambiguity in this one. a poster argued pink was

preferred by girls biologically and evo psych could tell us why. :vomit:

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #23)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:34 AM

39. It's not because of evolution. It's because girls like lipstick. Duh.

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Response to Orrex (Reply #39)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:38 AM

40. you got a cackle on that one. or all of society since the day of their birth tell them pink is what

they are.

but go figure.

cute

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 12:09 PM

56. Yeah, it starts early.

Our hospital was pretty good about it. Lots of pastels but mostly yellows and greens. Of course, family and friends tended toward blue baby clothes for our boys, so...

One thing that I recall from our older son's very early days is that we made a point of carting him down both the "boys" and "girls" aisles. He showed NO interest in "girls" toys but practically burst out of the seatbelt to get his hands on HotWheels.

I know that this doesn't mean that boys inherently prefer boys' toys, but we were really surprised by the stark difference. We repeated the experiment a bunch of times with the same result.

On the other hand, when his brother was born he wanted a doll to have a baby of his own, so we let him pick one out, and he took to carting it around in a stroller when we went for walks.


Kids! Who can figure them?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:45 AM

49. I'm not sure that that's really a difference at all

In my entire life I have never seen a Barbie ad with a boy in it or a GI Joe ad with a girl in it. I'm not even sure that I've ever seen a HotWheels or Matchbox ad featuring a girl.

Although they seldom specifically say "for girls," these products are undeniably marketed along predictable gender lines, to the point that the distinction between "targeted" and "marketed" is trivial and academic. Even if the manufacturers don't target boys or girls specifically, the retail stores certainly do.


In short, the absence of an explicit "girls only" or "boys only" label is simply a technicality, in the same way that we might say that our society is race-neutral because we don't have "whites only" water fountains anymore.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 08:34 PM

10. Book banning kinda bothers me, inspite of the sexist content.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:07 PM

16. If we were talking actual literature - as opposed to this silliness - then I'd agree with you.

Ditto if the books were aimed at adults and not young children.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:40 AM

30. Banning books "for the kids" is cool

Nice....

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 04:55 PM

62. Generally speaking, no. And most parental complaints about library books can probably be considered

bullshit - e.g. complaining about 'Beloved' because the themes of racism and slavery are "uncomfortable."

But in this case it was the child herself who raised an objection, and an understandable one. And it's not as if this is a book that teaches kids about some ugly realities of the world they live in - rather, it promotes stereotyping and general ignorance, which is the opposite of what any good parent should want their child to learn.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 12:03 PM

55. Whose to say what "actual literature" is? I mean I read stuff like that when I was a young'un


and I went on to a BA in English and I plan on becoming a librarian.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #55)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 04:58 PM

64. True, and there's nothing wrong with a little "light reading."

All I was saying, is that it's not as if some great classic was taken off the shelves here. So I'm not gonna whine about it.

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Response to nomorenomore08 (Reply #16)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:55 PM

78. LOL, so you get to decide "actual literature"? LOL! Missing the point I think! n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #78)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 06:13 PM

79. I can hold whatever opinion I want. And so can you.

I have no power to "ban" any book, nor would I want to even if I did - I like books, and I think even bad ones have the right to exist. But the situation in the OP is hardly "book burning" or any such ridiculousness.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:29 AM

47. An item's position in a market place predicated in part on social awareness is not...

An item's position in a market place predicated in part on social awareness is not by any means "banning", it is simply your market place at work.

A company's own decisions to carry or not carry an item is also a wholly separate concept than banning.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:12 PM

17. My wife bought this book for my daughter.



When she brought it to school, the teacher yelled at her and took it away.

I told her she should let her daddy buy her books in the future.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:12 PM

18. Next on to Mark Twain!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:15 PM

20. Banning books...

No matter how much we don't like those books, it's still banning books. Where do we draw the line on which books should be banned?

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Response to hardcover (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 07:57 AM

21. It is not banning books

The retailer has a right to decide what books they will and won't stock. It is their bookshelf and they get to decide what books go on that shelf.

Choosing not to carry a product in a store is not the same as banning that product.

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:03 AM

38. Keep telling yourself that

Removing books from the forums one goes to in order to acquire books is cool, so long as it is not technically banning. All the better when it has the effect of banning, but we can claim we do not support "banning" books.

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Response to joeglow3 (Reply #38)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 06:24 PM

80. So by that logic, would any book that a bookstore chose not to carry would be a banned book?

Does the retailer have no ability to choose what goes on the shelves?

What if they had a book that wasn't selling well? Just because it hasn't sold yet doesn't mean that someone isn't interested in reading it - so we better not "ban" that book by pulling it off the shelf, right?

If this were a public library, I would agree with you. But it is a private business. You simply can not force a business to carry a product which they don't want to carry. Or force them to drop a product which they wish to carry.

What you can do is shop there or shop elsewhere - and you can let them know exactly why you are making that choice.

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:50 AM

51. Or, you can choose not to purchase the book.

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 04:59 PM

66. Read the headline again. It is a book banning fantasy

The OP is experiencing all the excitement of a good book-banning, and also exaggerating.

The fact that the facts don't match the tone and headline do not make the OP better. Just rotten in more directions.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:10 AM

22. it is insulting to every girl and to women. i do not get why people cannot recognize how fuckin

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insulting this is. your daughter was minding her own business. she was not out to find an issue. and there, in front of her face, we have a publication that was ALL about insulting your daughter and a whole gender.

hugz to this girl. she found her voice. and at a young age. she recognized a problem, and at a young age. now she will see it for the rest of her life. we cannot undue what we learn and how the world sees us. she lost that innocence.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 12:41 PM

85. Lover Boy recently came home with a book with strictly defined gender roles in it & I'm OK with that

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #85)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 12:50 PM

86. i am hoping this was play to a serious issue. but ya... i imagine in both regards.

have loverboy grill you up the fresh catch. gotta take a couple spices, lemon, wrap it up in foil and sit on a fire. hubby is a great cook. ya, fuck those roles.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #86)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 01:01 PM

88. I'm cooking a lot more now that I'm home most days but he is by far the better cook.

He and my brother were actually musing amongst themselves about opening a restaurant together with LB cooking and bro managing the business side. Sadly, it won't be happening any time soon; the numbers just aren't there right now.

He did try a recipe like you described but his involved stuffing the fish with lemon and herbs then packing it in kosher salt before wrapping in foil. After it grilled the salt was a crust you broke off; it pulled the aromas of the herbs and lemon through every flaky piece. OH MY GOD! I married well.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #88)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 01:09 PM

89. Sounds yummy. Hubby the better, more creative cook though over the years I have gotten good, too. He

Talked about starting business and doing the cooking. I take the finances and manage the outside part of restaurant. Play off our strengths.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:16 AM

24. And the Hardy Boys had more exciting adventures than Nancy Drew.

This is important stuff.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 08:32 AM

26. Those books are insulting to both girls and boys

The first thing people will probably notice is that the topics for girls seem so comparatively wimpy to the topics for boys, but I also think the girls' book sounds a lot more practical (where it isn't being frivolous) and grounded in reality, with the boys' book concentrating on rare or even impossible (vampire attack?) situations, as if a boys' life should be all about throwing himself into crazy, dangerous situations.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:32 AM

28. There certainly should be no frivolity,

or fantastical crazy stuff, in books for children.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:09 AM

43. Huh?

Do you really think my comment implied that in any way, shape, or form?

The problem is making it mostly fantastical danger stuff for boys, and mostly frivolous and mundane for girls, instead of a balance of each for both.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #43)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:13 AM

45. Well, the girls have the "Twilight" stuff to look forward to in their tween years.

Certainly fantastical. Dangerous? I would assume so, based on the fact that vampires are involved, but I have heard that vampires these days have become somewhat wimpy.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:31 AM

48. Who precisely voiced that particular premise?

Who precisely voiced that particular premise?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:14 AM

27. not comfortable with this

yes i do think the books are awful

but removal from the shelves makes me shudder
the solution is

BETTER GIRLS BOOKS

nancy drew and the
hardy boys were written a long time ago
the hardy boy books were dated when i read them in the late 50's
i loved them but they were dateFd.

Authors will write what sells--everyone likes to eat and buy stuff.

i don't think girls got a bad shake in the harry potter books
in hunger games the lead character was female-confess i did not read or watch the books or movie.

What books are out there.
i know what to buy for my grand son
not so sure for my grand daughter.

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #27)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:35 AM

29. I read the Hardy Boys in the 70s and LOVED them.

I eagerly scoured the library shelves looking for ones I had not yet read.

Maybe not great literature but books like that inspired a lifelong love of reading in me.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:57 AM

35. Without them, it would have been years before I knew what "lanky" meant.

Their friend wasn't just "Biff Hooper", he was always described as their "lanky friend, Biff Hooper".

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Response to JBoy (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:00 AM

36. What about "portly" Chet Morton?

Or chubby, or rotund, or stout.

God I loved those books.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #36)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:11 AM

44. I remember reading "While the Clock Ticked"

and thinking, this is the most exciting book I have ever read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/While_the_Clock_Ticked

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:43 AM

32. Perhaps the young girl was preconditioned by parents to be offended. Hmmmm.

That happens; children a reflection of their parents.

I would prefer to have heard that the girl, rather than be shocked and upset, would have said something like, "look Mommy, more of that gender specific marketing crap we talked about!"

Art, including literature, including children's literature, is a reflection of culture.

True, it also reinforces cultural habits, but at least these are books, that can be read.

Please take this girl the the news stand and see what she thinks of Vogue and Elle magazines, etc.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 09:49 AM

34. Just great..

lets just ban and rip off the shelves every book we don't like..

Does this mean it's okay for the children of Christian fundamentalists to go into stores and demand that books on evolution not be sold?

I'm not comfortable with book banning in any form

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:03 AM

37. I think stores have the right to make those decisions for themselves

And we have the right as consumers to take our business elsewhere if they refuse to sell those books we want.

I understood why CVS didn't want to deal with the Boston Bomber stuff. You just go down the street and buy it elsewhere.

Now libraries....I think that's a different story.

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 10:39 AM

41. yep...an 8yo girl "banned" a book in a retail store

she is very powerful!

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:02 AM

42. I agree. Little girl (and mom): I'm offended. Therefore, nobody else should be able to see it.

It's bullshit.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:00 PM

68. People can order it through amazon or get it elsewhere too. No bookstore is required to carry every

book. And many books are available that aren't in bookstores.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 06:42 PM

82. The child didn't request that the book be removed.

Neither did the mother. Read the OP, please

"She agreed that the books were offensive, and although we hadn't requested it, she yanked all copies (boy and girl) from the shelf."

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:47 AM

50. I'm not comfortable with this either...

Agreed.

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:51 AM

52. ah, girls and womens greatest supporter here to show.... what? get that girl. bad bad girl.

no speaking up for her. not that she did a single damn thing but speak up. learn young. SOME men just do not want to hear what she has to say.

just great....

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:52 AM

53. I agree. Don't like a book? Then don't buy it, don't read it.

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 12:14 PM

57. Behold the power of 8-year-old girls!

They are all powerful, but marketing execs who push incredibly biased material on us are weak victims!

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Response to Upton (Reply #34)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 12:31 PM

60. Don't like a book, don't buy it. Your eyes, your choice.

That said, I wouldn't buy it myself (if my daughter wanted either one I would for her though - sure she could read beyond the words 'boy' when it came to zombie survival).

I don't see the books as more stereotyping than I do some folks here when it comes to other things.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:14 AM

46. I thought the books were a bit too comic-book like. Here's a better pair of books, IMHO:

The Daring Book for Girls the Dangerous Book for Boys: (I have the boys book)




http://www.dangerousbookforboys.com/


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 11:55 AM

54. Hooray for banning books! Because everybody should just be able to get rid of the books they find


distasteful.



I agree that those books are sexist, but I don't think letting them be pulled from the shelves is the right response. Maybe you could have written the author/publisher, or tried some other way that would educate rather than just censor.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 12:16 PM

58. +1

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 02:48 PM

61. This is hardly book banning or book burning. Not even close.

While it's generally good to encourage the free flow of information, real censorship involves either government restrictions or unchecked private intimidation to block self expression.

Private citizens are hardly obligated to facilitate or encourage speech or other expression that they find distasteful or immoral, however.

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Response to Silent3 (Reply #61)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 12:09 PM

83. Encouraging a bookstore to remove a book? So what if the fundies are offended by science books? Do


they get to have those removed as well? Simply taking stuff off a store shelf does little to help our agenda. The books are available at every other store in town and you've done nothing to challenge/refute the ideology behind them. A better idea would be to organize an awareness campaign about the books and shame the author/publisher into changing or discontinuing them.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 04:56 PM

63. ^

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:02 PM

69. A private bookstore can decide what books they want to carry. Those books are readily available,

just not carried at that bookstore any more. I bet I can find other books they don't carry also.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:03 PM

70. +1000! n/t

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #54)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:05 PM

71. You can agree or disagree with the store's response - I guess I'm ambivalent myself.

But this kind of hyperbole is a bit much.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 12:19 PM

59. As offensive as that is all around, the worst part to me is that girls apparently need to be able to

apologize but not boys.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 04:58 PM

65. Good for her. Private book stores have the right to carry what they want and if they don't want to

carry something, so be it.

Good for this girl.

If someone wants the book, order it online or ask the bookstore to order it for you (many will do such a thing).

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #65)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:39 PM

76. It sure must suck to own a bookstore nowadays, though

This is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" moments for them.

Perhaps, as Trotsky said, the production and distribution of books and other information products should be nationalized. Then product availability would be determined by people hired by democratically elected leaders performing scientific analysis of the nation's knowledge and entertainment needs, and not based on capitalist market forces.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:06 PM

72. What sort of personality disorder makes a person tell stores what books not to carry?

Who acts like that? And brags about it??? Really?

I have more objection to various publications than most, but I have never complained to a bookstore about carrying books I don't like because it is Westbrook Baptist Church type behavior.

It is what disgusting, horrible people do.

That poor child may well grow up to be a real jerk, through no fault of her own.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #72)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:19 PM

75. Thank you! Well said.

I was beginning to think practically everyone on this site agreed with this utter nonsense!

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #72)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 06:30 PM

81. You should read the OP.

She agreed that the books were offensive, and although we hadn't requested it, she yanked all copies (boy and girl) from the shelf.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #81)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 12:59 PM

87. Now, don't let facts get in the way

There's some righteous anger going on.

I love how a girl speaking out about sexism in a book, bad. But someone comes on DU and talks about how they switched Anne Coulter's books on the bookshelves making them harder to find, or brags about how they successfully got Fox News turned off somewhere, and nothing but praise! Speaking out about sexism isn't respected here.

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Response to kcr (Reply #87)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 01:58 PM

90. Not respected is an understatement.

Why the fuck do they feel the need to slander an eight year old child?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:07 PM

73. My neice has a "No Boys Allowed" sign on her bedroom door -

this meant to keep my nephew and his friends out of her room

I had a friend when I was a kid who had a little shed in his parents backyard that we all hung out in that had all kinds of signs on it, including one that read, "No Girls Allowed."

That is typical of children. Many girls find boys gross and many boys find girls gross. Most grow out of it, I guess.

I don't see those books as offensive. Even if I did, who the hell am I to decide for everyone in my town that they can't see, purchase or own them because I find them distasteful?

Not a good lesson for your daughter, imho.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:10 PM

74. Story sounds fishy

I bet it never happened or the mom put her up to it. Something just sounds fishy about an 8-year-old offended by a book like this. I'm guessing the mom saw the book and she was offended.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Oct 3, 2013, 05:46 PM

77. Okay, is it just me, or do the girls book seem a lot more grounded in reality?

The girls have babysitting, fights with friends, bullies, speech making, dealing with sunburns, etc.

The boys have surviving shark attacks, polar bear attacks, parachute failure, lightning strikes, vampire attacks, zombie invasions.

Okay, actually they both have zombie invasions for some strange reasons.

But seems like the girls book are a lot more practical than the boys book.

I don't know. The story itself I find annoying. Not a big fan of pulling books off shelves.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Oct 4, 2013, 12:19 PM

84. Where some people see sexist indoctrination, I see kids encouraged to read.

Fundamentally, boys and girls tend to have different interests, and promoting reading requires different (with some overlap - apparently zombie attacks are a non-gendered topic of interest) approaches.

Part of the reasons that boys aren't succeeding in school is that the curriculum is limited to that with which their female teachers are comfortable.

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