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Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:44 PM

I believe this is the spearhead of an attack on all healthcare specific to women.

This may sound farfetched, but the dominionist/quiverfull/patriarchal movement that has control of the R's right now, has been pushing home birthing (no midwive, only the Lord as a helper or an older daughter) as the only REAL Christian way to give birth. No hospitals at all, no doctors during pregnancy or during birth or afterwards. They are also pushing faith healing, but mostly only for females, it's not being pushed for men so much.

I truly believe we will see the R's refuse to pay for annual exams for women, or any preventive care for women like pap smears, breast exams, etc. I also believe they will soon refuse to pay for childbirth, since women for centuries did not go to the doctor to give birth. I think it's just part of the whole misogyny. I think there is tremendous anger against women on the part of some patriarchal males and they want us to SUFFER, really really suffer.

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Reply I believe this is the spearhead of an attack on all healthcare specific to women. (Original post)
LiberalLoner Mar 2012 OP
mike_c Mar 2012 #1
hifiguy Mar 2012 #9
csziggy Mar 2012 #14
MANative Mar 2012 #2
LiberalLoner Mar 2012 #3
MANative Mar 2012 #4
LiberalLoner Mar 2012 #5
kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #6
Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #7
Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #10
Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #12
Ship of Fools Mar 2012 #13
Brickbat Mar 2012 #8
Warpy Mar 2012 #11

Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:48 PM

1. their anger and contempt for women is just the most perplexing thing....

Utterly perplexing and crazy.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:57 PM

9. Not terribly perplexing given the misogyny of

ALL of the Abrahamic religions, particularly in their fundamentalist forms. Crazy it definitely is, though.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:24 PM

14. I think you have that exactly right

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 04:58 PM

2. I don't think you're wrong...

but I can't imagine what they think they can gain by this. Women just about always vote in numbers much greater than men. Women who are married and the spouses who provide for them will, in large part, be outraged at the immense individual costs they would now have to bear. The workforce is made up of about 50% women, and there are not nearly enough unemployed men to fill all the slots of women who'd be taken out of the workforce with this insanity. Costs today absolutely do not allow for single earner families to be able to come close to making ends meet. These people must be literally, clinically certifiable if they think they can take this much further than all the tongue-wagging they're doing now. We're talking about, what, 15% of the population that actually believes this shit? I think the silent majority has had enough, and this won't - can't - go on much longer, or there will be rioting on the steps of Congress.

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Response to MANative (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:03 PM

3. One of their planned ideas is to abolish suffrage for women. That idea is being talked about

a great deal in the back rooms of the R's.

They may have decided it's time to stage a coup. That's the only way this all makes sense to me - they are rallying the troops, what few they have, to use violence to overthrow the current government and install a theocracy dictatorship. The dominionists have penetrated the top leadership of the Armed Forces, I know, so that gives me reason to suspect this might be the plan.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:11 PM

4. And you know this how?

The level of conspiracy this would take is off the scale. Even as crazy as some of these clowns are, I can't imagine they'd have the numbers and/or ability to carry out something like this. My dad was an officer (Lt. Col.) in the USArmy for over 30 years, and I know that there are some real decent people in the ranks who would never let something like that happen. They'd blow it up from the inside long before it ever got to level one planning. It's not easy to repeal a Constitutional amendment, and short of an actual military coup, which again, I just can't buy, that's what it would take to eliminate the right of women to vote.

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Response to MANative (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:37 PM

5. I know. I was a CPT in the Army, got out. My husband is currently a Colonel on active duty.

My father was an Army Colonel too, but he was an asshole. But that's a whole 'nother topic.

Anyway, I know most people serving would resist this.

But I have seen signs that the top leadership, at least in the AF, is openly Dominionist. A Major General my husband worked for during a joint assignment sent around an article to his officers that was frankly neo-nazi and written by a well-known white supremicist. Talked about eliminating the vote for women, eliminating education for women, outlawing birth control in order to make sure enough white babies are being born.

The MGen felt confident enough to distribute this stuff openly. I also have heard murmurs at various social functions that led me to believe some would be pretty happy if a coup happened - which admittedly is not the same as planning one.

Yeah, it's a big conspiracy theory, and maybe way out there, like tinfoil hat wearing out there, but a coup was attempted during the 1930's which thankfully failed and I have an awful feeling another attempt is planned.

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Response to MANative (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:38 PM

6. They have said they want "one household, one vote", like in the good old days.

If it was good enough for the Founding Fathers, it's good enough for them.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:53 PM

7. Throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

They're just trying to muck up the system for the Dems when
they storm House (one can dream...)

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Response to Ship of Fools (Reply #7)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:02 PM

10. No, I don't think so

This seems planned and coordinated. So many parallel bills in so many states, all being legislated at the same time with the same targets - women.

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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:08 PM

12. True, that.

But someone made the comment that they're not even listening to the
outrage. Why? Rove warned a while back (2010 sweep?) that the GOP
should not overreach this time!!!! But he's been really silent lately. Abortion is
brought up every election cycle as diversion -- this time it's on meth.

Just some random thoughts ...

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Response to Ship of Fools (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:22 PM

13. Also, I'm thinking about it this way...

Satisfy the fringe with crazy talk, and amp it up to 11. Conspiracy theory aside,
it's almost as if this is diversion on meth. Finalizing election fraud plans?? It's happening
in their own primaries!! They are really aiming for the last stand, a la Alamo, imo.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:55 PM

8. I think it's pretty much an attack on health care in general. Every person for his or herself.

Why should I pay for you?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Original post)

Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:07 PM

11. Health care for women is a JOKE

The primary needs are for family planning, pregnancy and childbirth. The latter two are not covered unless the woman pays triple premiums for a family policy and that sucker better be in place before she even thinks of getting pregnant because they will not pay if they suspect she was pregnant before she got it.

It's a sick joke played on all the women of this country. It would not be tolerated in any other country, but this country is convinced all evil lies between a woman's legs and is 100% her responsibility to take care of, don't bother the nice men with it unless they're horny.

The whole structure is repellent.

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