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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:14 PM

Top Ten Facts About Obamacare

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Reply Top Ten Facts About Obamacare (Original post)
MrScorpio Sep 2013 OP
Ohio Joe Sep 2013 #1
Cryptoad Sep 2013 #8
Soylent Brice Sep 2013 #12
Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2013 #28
Dyedinthewoolliberal Sep 2013 #2
Puzzledtraveller Sep 2013 #3
Nye Bevan Sep 2013 #5
Cryptoad Sep 2013 #9
ErikJ Sep 2013 #14
Jamaal510 Sep 2013 #4
MrModerate Sep 2013 #10
zipplewrath Sep 2013 #11
ErikJ Sep 2013 #15
Rozlee Sep 2013 #13
joshcryer Sep 2013 #22
pampango Sep 2013 #25
IronLionZion Sep 2013 #27
freshwest Sep 2013 #6
sheshe2 Sep 2013 #7
JDPriestly Sep 2013 #16
AtheistKing Sep 2013 #17
ErikJ Sep 2013 #18
KinMd Sep 2013 #19
Scurrilous Sep 2013 #20
yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #21
MrScorpio Sep 2013 #23
yuiyoshida Sep 2013 #24
liberal N proud Sep 2013 #26
Romulox Sep 2013 #29

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:18 PM

1. You forgot the part where the it lets the IRS come take your guns...

I shit you not, some guy told me this was part of Obamacare today... The teabaggers are seriously going batshit crazy over it.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:50 PM

8. Gotta Trade guns for health care........ ??????

Ummm ,,, maybe we should rethink this...

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:27 PM

12. wonders never cease...

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:20 AM

28. And then conscripts you into the UN One World Army. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:21 PM

2. I am hoping

we can get everyone to call it the "Affordable Care Act" as 'Obamacare' is a conservative dog whistle.........

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:22 PM

3. except that the president embraced the term and other dems have also.

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:31 PM

5. It's one of those terms like "Iron Lady"

that started off as a perjorative but became a positive.

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:51 PM

9. Obama Cares! nt

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:55 PM

14. Yes, in the South "obamacare" is fightin words.

An Ed Schultz caller said that they HAVE to name it something else because in Lousiana everybody (whites presumably) hates Obamacare just because its called Obamacare.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:24 PM

4. My big sister wanted single-payer,

and she absolutely HATES Obamacare. She's one of those people who think that it will raise the cost of health care, but every time I try to show her this list and other factoids, she never wants to listen because she thinks it is biased. IDK what to say about her except to let her see for herself once it gets fully implemented...

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:09 PM

10. Well, it's certainly (IMO) inferior to what we'd be looking at under single-payer . . .

But it was the best deal available at the time. I look at it like Social Security: it took several years and multiple rewrites to get the SS system working reasonably well, and still needs legislative tuneups now and then.

But it was also the most profoundly important social legislation in the US in the last 100 years.

Eventually, the ACA will be seen as the first step toward a sane healthcare funding model, something that's been desperately needed for years.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:18 PM

11. She's wrong

Of course, you probably are too. ACA will do little to nothing about health CARE costs to individuals. Even the administration admits that it will continue to go up at around 6-7% per year. That's not sustainable, and is roughly what it was before. Of course it won't make them go UP either.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:01 PM

15. Highly variable. Mine will double but it will be vastly better

I pay $140 now for a $10,000 deductible and my OC plan will be at least $320 a month but with a lot lower deductible and something like a $4000 annual cap on total payout. But somebody paying $1500 a month because they have a pre-existing condition will go WAY down because pre-existing conditions dont matter at all. And of course lots of people with no income at all will be finally getting insurance (for free) which is good.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:51 PM

13. Well, the ACA was originally the brainchild of conservatives to begin with.

Specifically of the conservative Heritage Foundation. It started by being introduced in 1993 as a foil to Hillarycare as the Consumer Choice Health Security Act and then as the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act of 1993 by Republicans. Mitt Romney used the plan for his Romneycare and Obama modeled the ACA after Romneycare itself. So, what's to like about a conservative healthcare plan? At the very least, you'd think the right-wing would be swooning over it. But, I guess over time, we can hope that if a public option doesn't make itself a part of the ACA, maybe gradually the states will adopt their own.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:06 AM

22. The Heritage Foundation "mandate" was a rebate, not a fine.

If you got health insurance you got a tax rebate.

ACA is if you don't get health insurance you get a fine.

This is the difference between opting in for organ donation and opting out.

The difference is non-trivial.

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Response to Rozlee (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:24 AM

25. Romney introduced the Heritage Foundation version; the Massachusetts legislature rejected it.

(Not too surprising since the state legislature was 85% Democratic.) They passed their own version of reform, romney vetoed it then they passed it over his veto.

"Obama modeled the ACA after Romneycare..." If we want to tie romney to the version of reform passed by the Massachusetts legislature that is fine. That is the version that Obama used as a model for Obamacare. It would have been really fun to watch republicans tie themselves in knots opposing Obamacare if it were based on the HF/romney bill rather than the Democratic bill that emerged from the Massachusetts legislature.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:18 AM

27. 1. everything is biased 2. people will die waiting for single payer

there are so many uninsured already counting down the days until Oct. 1 so they can purchase individual plans and finally get treatment.

What I tell every single-payer advocate is

1. Get everyone covered first and used to the idea of having universal coverage so the GOP look like idiots for opposing it.

2. Build up the provider supply: more doctors, hospitals, clinics, nurses, lab techs, urgent care centers, etc. They need a guaranteed payment system to fund it and justify training and hiring the additional workers, like universal insurance coverage. Community service programs can be a great way for students or recent grads to get experience and educational funding help.

3. Onwards to single payer with the party who brought you Social Security, Medicare, and ACA, instead of the party of trillion dollar wars, bigotry, and bullshit. We can win that fight on the cost savings alone, changing only the payment system. Big change comes one step at a time.

4. Start at the state level like Vermont's green mountain care. Target liberal states who want it, and it will come faster.

5. Don't talk about it to non-supporters by starting off with single payer. Talk about the implementation plan and how the steps along the way will add value to our system and bring in more supporters. This is essential to get buy-in from your average joe or jane.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:52 PM

6. Last I heard, the latest screed is that it's part of the NSA data base. And death panels for sure.

Facts are no longer able to overcome propaganda.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:48 PM

7. They will, freshwest.

At The Clinton Global Initiative today, both Clinton and Obama explained the facts clearly. It was a great one hour forum.

The countdown is here. People will see what it is doing for them. If the Repukes knew that this was a failure, they would let Obama crash. They are spinning their heads off because they know it will work! They are scared to death!

People trust there Pharmacies.

Several major pharmacy chains, including CVS Caremark and Walgreens, have recently announced plans to help educate customers regarding details of the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Individuals will be able to start purchasing health insurance through exchanges established by the ACA on October 1, 2013, and the law’s individual mandate, requiring most people to have health insurance, will go into effect on January 1, 2014. However, many remain unaware of how the law will affect them.

The pharmacies anticipate that patients will come to them with questions about the ACA, but also recognize that the millions of people who stand to gain health insurance as a result of its implementation represent an opportunity for increased pharmacy business. “Seventy-five percent of Americans live within 3 miles of a CVS pharmacy, and we serve 5 million people each day in our stores, Helena Foulkes, executive vice president and chief health care strategy and marketing officer at CVS Caremark, said in an email to Pharmacy Times. “That gives us a tremendous opportunity to help Americans understand the new health care law and how it affects them so they receive the coverage that best fits their families.”

CVS Caremark plans to implement an information and outreach program to help customers access information on how to select an appropriate insurance plan from the health exchanges. This will include in-store events that coincide with ongoing programs offering free cholesterol screenings, glucose testing, and blood pressure measurement, and will be concentrated in areas with higher portions of people without insurance, such as Florida, Texas, California, Georgia, New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois, Ohio, and the District of Columbia. The company will also distribute brochures at its more than 7400 stores and 650 MinuteClinic locations and will make information available online at www.cvs.com/insurance. - See more at: http://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/Pharmacies-Plan-to-Promote-Benefits-of-Affordable-Care-Act#sthash.eTOl3DGX.dpuf


http://www.pharmacytimes.com/news/Pharmacies-Plan-to-Promote-Benefits-of-Affordable-Care-Act

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:16 PM

16. K&R.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:16 PM

17. Will it help me?

I have read "Obamacare" several times, nothing in it answers my question.
Will it help me get my shoulder fixed? I have a blown shoulder and there is no direct answer of what is possibly wrong with it, yet insurance won't do anything because "It's a non life threatening injury".

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Response to AtheistKing (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 12:18 AM

18. Its probably a torn rotator cuff.

And I'm sure OC will take care of it but you will have to pay the deductible of course.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 12:22 AM

19. You mean their aren't any Death Panels?!?!?!?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 02:53 AM

20. K & R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 02:56 AM

21. I just signed up...its painless!!

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:31 AM

23. Welcome to DU!

ここに歓迎されているいる.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:11 AM

24. arigatou!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:45 AM

26. Thanks for posting this

I was hearing a story yesterday from someone who said their kid was being denied coverage because it was pre-existing.

I knew that couldn't be right!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:23 AM

29. 11) It's FOR PROFIT, and it's MANDATORY! nt

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