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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:03 PM

Seems like I have some fences to mend [sorry, long!]

There were some unfortunate things that happened on DU last night, and I had a lot to do with them.

I'm sorry.

I realize that I throw a sharp elbow every once in a while: I believe that this was picked up during my childhood in a slightly-rough section of New York City. It was a useful behavior at the time as it put bullies on notice that I wouldn't go down easily. But now I'm among friends, and it's become no more than a bad habit, creating furor where calm would be best.

Look: In the end, all of us Democrats want the same thing, both the moderates and the moonbats. We all want peace and prosperity. We all want a little security for ourselves, and a brighter future for our children. I understand this in my bones. Please realize that my bull-in-a-china-shop routine comes from a good place, from my overwhelming desire to build an America where we all have these things.

We all agree on what we want, but how is the sticking point amongst some of us. And we can quibble over methods, but in the end it's results that we seek. Results, not theory. Especially not Marxist theory!

So let us review together the proven results of moderate Democratic policies.

For almost 21 years, we moderate Democrats (notice I didn't use the inflammatory "sensible") have guided our grand old party forward. And the evidence is unequivocal. America has experienced a renaissance the likes of which have not been seen since Europe from 1348-1350.

Year after year, our bankers have had record harvests. Even in the darkest days of 2008, our financial institutions were pulled back from the brink of suspending ginormous banker bonuses - this is a proud testament to the powerful and nimble government institutions we moderates have pioneered. Our big banks have grown mightily since then, now almost 30% larger than they were during that dark time. Now they're really, really too big to fail. No, honest. (Stop laughing, you sound like a @#$%ing hyena, it's embarrassing.)

And the little people have not been left out, not this time! Trillions of dollars in twitchy derivatives owned by the wealthy are now backed by their bank accounts and the FDIC, so if another financial calamity occurs, everyone will be totally @#$%ed, not just the wealthy. Well, at least we'll have more of the little people's money to give the wealthy. In any case, somehow we're all in this together now. It's complex, most of you wouldn't understand anyway.

Entrepreneurism is building daily. Many millions have decided to leave the rat race for good, and are adventuring into the hustle and bustle of small business, often conducted from the funky cars and cardboard boxes they call home.

True, some groups have unfairly benefited from circumstances - namely the poor, the aged, and the sick. But we moderate Democrats, along with our partners on the other side of the aisle, are ready for the challenge of taking on these well-financed pressure groups with their slick lobbyists. More than ready. A Grand Bargain will be made, and fairness will be restored

After so many years of unrelenting success, our track record is clear, and it's time for each of us on DU to look into our hearts and ask some simple questions:

1. Are you better off than before our great crusade began in 1993? (Wait! Before you answer, remember that you have the Internet and self-adhesive postal stamps now, aren't those really great?)
2. Shouldn't moderate Democrats be given the chance to complete the job?


No need to respond directly to this post with your answers. Just mention them in an email or phone call to any third party whenever convenient, and they will be logged and stored permanently in a "#2 mayonnaise jar" on "Funk and Wagnall's porch" in Utah, until we need a favor from you. Such is the fantastic technology that our Way has wrought!

Results! Results! The evidence doesn't lie!

Yours in Brotherly Love,

Third-WayModerate-Democrat Manny

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Reply Seems like I have some fences to mend [sorry, long!] (Original post)
MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 OP
Fumesucker Sep 2013 #1
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RetroLounge Sep 2013 #35
ProSense Sep 2013 #39
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #45
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magical thyme Sep 2013 #137
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:10 PM

1. I'm glad to see that you are finally coming to your senses

Let this be an object lesson to all those counterproductive left wingnuts out there.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 04:43 AM

117. Funny!

Clever guy.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:13 PM

2. Lmao, I needed that

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:14 PM

3. Ditto.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:15 PM

4. Manny, don't ever change. People get it or they don't.

I don't think a a "#2 mayonnaise jar" is going to be big enough.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:16 PM

5. My god! Is that really a Laugh-In allusion?

If it is, I bow at Manny's feet!

If it isn't, it's still mightily impressive.

#2 mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's porch.


I remember that as Rowen and Martin's Laugh-In. Probably wrong, though. In that case, Nevermind. Let me know so I can unrec my DUrec.



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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:32 PM

13. I think it's a Johnny Carson reference. nt

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Response to nyquil_man (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:38 PM

18. Maybe. I can almost hear Ed McMann's background guffaws.

But Funk and Wagnall's was a Laugh-In meme, too.

If you don't believe me, look that up in your Funk and Wagnall's.



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Response to nyquil_man (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:33 PM

80. Carnac the Magnificent!

Longtime sidekick Ed McMahon ritualistically and bombastically introduced the Carnac routines. The announcement implied Carnac was responsible for some scandal or disaster currently in the news, as "And now, the great seer, soothsayer, sage and former financial adviser to the Greek government, Carnac the Magnificent." After Carnac entered and stumbled, Ed would continue as follows:

"I hold in my hand the envelopes. As a child of four can plainly see, these envelopes have been hermetically sealed. They've been kept in a #2 mayonnaise jar on Funk and Wagnall's porch since noon today. No one knows the contents of these envelopes, but you, in your borderline divine and mystical way, will ascertain the answers having never before seen the questions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnac_the_Magnificent

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:03 PM

28. I thought Laugh In was

Something like Look that up in your Funk and Wagnall.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:15 PM

33. Check out other response. I think we've got the source.

Johnny Carson?

Check it out.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:40 AM

92. Yes, Laugh-in was "Look that up in your Funk & Wagnalls!" n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:18 PM

6. Oh Man... I'm Gonna Have To Start An All New Appreciation Thread !!!








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Response to WillyT (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:17 AM

96. +1

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:19 PM

7. Glass-Steagall for the 21st Century -- email from Elizabeth Warren

Glass-Steagall for the 21st Century -- email from Elizabeth Warren

We all remember the darkest days of the financial crisis five years ago.

Credit dried up. The stock market cratered. Millions of people lost their jobs. Billions of dollars in retirement savings disappeared.

There were legitimate fears that the dominos of our financial system would never stop falling, and we were heading into another Great Depression.

On many of these fronts, we've made real progress. The Dodd-Frank Act was the strongest financial reform law in three generations. If I had been in the Senate three years ago, I would have voted for it proudly.

Dodd-Frank put in place the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which has made serious strides toward leveling the playing field for families and increasing transparency in the marketplace. Thanks to the CFPB, I don't think there will ever again be so many lousy mortgages to threaten our families and our economy.

- more -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023716332

FYI

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Response to ProSense (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:20 PM

35. Point. Missed.

I hear bots can't deal with nuance and sarcasm.

What's your excuse?



RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:24 PM

39. I know, I forgot

to laugh and call out other DUers...I mean activist journalists!!!



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Response to ProSense (Reply #39)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:31 PM

45. Not to worry, we all want the same things. But as Manny said, we can't seem

agree on how to get them. We USED to agree, but something went wrong and that is where the problem lies. What went wrong? I know I have my opinion, and you have yours. But seriously, I do like you Pro and can't help admiring your passion. What I wish you would do is go back to being the old Pro you used to be when Bush was president. I haven't changes, but you have and that makes me sad.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #45)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:35 PM

49. No,

"Not to worry, we all want the same things. But as Manny said, we can't seem
agree on how to get them. We USED to agree, but something went wrong and that is where the problem lies. What went wrong? I know I have my opinion, and you have yours. But seriously, I do like you Pro and can't help admiring your passion. What I wish you would do is go back to being the old Pro you used to be when Bush was president. I haven't changes, but you have and that makes me sad.

...I haven't changed. I just don't see the need to constantly tear down people, and especially people who you claim to "agree" with.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #49)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:40 PM

51. You've changed on issues. I don't tear anyone down, I do criticize policies and

and always will when I don't agree with them. That is not tearing people down, it is trying to build people up, the people who have to live under these policies.

More important to me and many others than any party or politician are the vast numbers of people who are effected by policies that are not good for them and their families. Democrats are shifting to the right and that is not good for ordinary people. There is no question about that.

Maybe you just don't see it ...

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #51)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:43 PM

52. No, that's your opinion.

People are constantly tearing each other down. That's a fact.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #52)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:20 PM

76. No Pro it is a matter of perception.

I know from personal experience that some people take thing personally that are not meant that way.
It is something I learned in life...I will give you and example.
I had a girl friend and she decided to take a shower, and so I decided to join her...so I jumped in and said...wow that water is hot...and she got mad and I was puzzled and so asked her why.
And she said, "you are saying I don't know how to adjust a shower"
And try as I may I could not convince her that I was not saying that, in fact I was not really saying anything about her at all.

I later got to know her father, and he was the same way only worse, if you walked up on him and asked him what he was doing he would get mad...it seems to him if you asked him what he was doing you were saying he did not know what he was doing.

I think there is a lot of that here only not as bad as my example....if you criticize an Obama policy you are perceived as hating him.
At least that is how I see it.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #76)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:29 PM

78. No, it's matter of opinion. In fact

"No Pro it is a matter of perception. I know from personal experience that some people take thing personally that are not meant that way."

...it's opinion with a twinge of hypocrisy and say-anything spin.

I mean, calling people "paid shills" and constantly labeling people with negative terms who disagree with you isn't the problem of that person taking things "personally."

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Response to ProSense (Reply #78)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:56 PM

83. Well if you are called a racist paulbot.

don't be surprised if someone calls you a paid shill...there are two sides to that.

If you should go skating
On the thin ice of modern life
Dragging behind you the silent reproach
Of a million tear stained eyes
Don't be surprised, when a crack in the ice
Appears under your feet
You slip out of your depth and out of your mind
With your fear flowing out behind you
As you claw the thin ice

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Response to zeemike (Reply #83)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:00 AM

85. Can you point to where someone called you a "racist paulbot"?

Are you taking things "personally"

I can point to a number of posts where somone directly called another poster a "paid shill."

Got a link to support your claim?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #85)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:09 AM

89. No I don't recall someone calling me that.

But I have been called otter things, and I have no intentions of doing a tit for tat comparison of what has gone on for over a year now.
But others have been and you know that is true.

Bottom line, take the log out of your sides eyes so you can see before you try to remove the splinter from the eyes of others.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #83)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 04:55 AM

118. Oh, baby!

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Response to ProSense (Reply #78)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:58 AM

137. I've been told I have ODS, that I'm just mad because I didn't get my pony

and more absurdities.

Totally absurd because I more likely have a mild case of OCD and do happen to have a pony in my pasture.

Frankly, I would love to *be* a paid shill. I could use the extra money.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #137)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:24 AM

140. Oh you Lucky!!!!!

I'm a little bit jealous.

I want a PONY!!!!!

(There . I've said it)

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Response to Vanje (Reply #140)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:39 AM

141. years ago I told my avian vet that I must be lucky because all my birds are sweet

She yelled at me loudly, "DO NOT EVER SAY THAT YOU ARE LUCKY! YOU ARE NOT LUCKY, YOU WORK HARD!!!!!! YOUR BIRDS ARE SWEET BECAUSE YOU FEED THEM A GOOD DIET AND YOU HANDLE THEM CORRECTLY! THAT IS NOT LUCK; THAT IS WORK! DON'T EVER LET PEOPLE TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE LUCKY!"

I was shocked by her tone, but remain so grateful to her for saying that to me. All my life, my parents complained one thing or another was "unfair" that I was "lucky," and made me give much of what came my way to my sisters. The fact is, I worked hard for what came my way, and they did not. I didn't get good grades because I was "lucky." I got good grades because I studied. I didn't progress in riding because I was "lucky." I progressed because I worked hard at it and studied.

I've worked hard and sacrificed much to have my pony. I've worked harder than I ever could imagine. After saving for decades, when I first bought my mini-farm, I hired a contractor to fix the pasture entry, and instead he tried to steal my topsoil and trashed the place. I was going to buy a pre-fab barn, but now I had no way to bring it in. A lot of people would have given up. But I hand-carried in the lumber to build my barn, and I learned to use power tools to build it, and brought my horse home in time for Christmas.

I did pay to have the roadside fencing professionally installed, because we live on a very busy road with high speed trucks whizzing through. But all the interior fencing I installed myself. That was hard, hard labor.

I had to sell my rider mower to pay for a semester of school. I couldn't get the lawn guy to bush-hog this year. So I have been doing the fence-line and overgrown areas by hand, using loppers. I've painstakingly cleared about half of what got overgrown that way. The rest I will do with my new scythe. It helps to have the right tools.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #141)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:32 PM

150. Seriously. If you were lucky

your pony would be a unicorn.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #78)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 06:36 PM

159. Well, I know what you mean. I've been called so many incredible things here

from (one of my favorites) 'descendant of the destroyers of women' to 'a Republican fan girl' not to mention suffering from a mental illness for disagreeing with some of the President's policies, a 'racist', a 'liar' and 'dishonest' etc etc I have become totally immune to the name-calling.

I haven't yet been called a 'paid shill' which is interesting. To me that means that it is understood that there is no money in standing up for what you have always believed in as a Democrat.

I just ignore most of it unless I'm in the mood to 'play' with them.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #51)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:31 AM

126. I agree, people over politics.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:48 AM

142. Oh, I guess that's why you claim to Pwn people?

Because you don't have a need to tear anyone down, eh?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

58. Can't even reply to the OP?

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Response to Rex (Reply #58)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:52 PM

60. Sure

OMG!

LMAO

You had me going!!!!

LOL!



Feel better?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #60)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:54 PM

65. That is not to the OP.

Can you ever do anything directly?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #60)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 07:00 PM

160. I know, right?

This thread brings cheerleading to new heights.

There is a middle, and, unfortunately both sides don't realize it.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #7)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:11 AM

105. However well intentioned Dodd-Frank may have been, it has not achieved it's goals.

It has been stripped and gutted. Excellent analysis from Matt Taibbi back in May of '12.

Two years ago, when he signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, President Barack Obama bragged that he'd dealt a crushing blow to the extravagant financial corruption that had caused the global economic crash in 2008. "These reforms represent the strongest consumer financial protections in history," the president told an adoring crowd in downtown D.C. on July 21st, 2010. "In history."

This was supposed to be the big one. At 2,300 pages, the new law ostensibly rewrote the rules for Wall Street. It was going to put an end to predatory lending in the mortgage markets, crack down on hidden fees and penalties in credit contracts, and create a powerful new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to safeguard ordinary consumers. Big banks would be banned from gambling with taxpayer money, and a new set of rules would limit speculators from making the kind of crazy-ass bets that cause wild spikes in the price of food and energy. There would be no more AIGs, and the world would never again face a financial apocalypse when a bank like Lehman Brothers went bankrupt.

~snip~

Two years later, Dodd-Frank is groaning on its deathbed. The giant reform bill turned out to be like the fish reeled in by Hemingway's Old Man – no sooner caught than set upon by sharks that strip it to nothing long before it ever reaches the shore. In a furious below-the-radar effort at gutting the law – roundly despised by Washington's Wall Street paymasters – a troop of water-carrying Eric Cantor Republicans are speeding nine separate bills through the House, all designed to roll back the few genuinely toothy portions left in Dodd-Frank. With the Quislingian covert assistance of Democrats, both in Congress and in the White House, those bills could pass through the House and the Senate with little or no debate, with simple floor votes – by a process usually reserved for things like the renaming of post offices or a nonbinding resolution celebrating Amelia Earhart's birthday.

The fate of Dodd-Frank over the past two years is an object lesson in the government's inability to institute even the simplest and most obvious reforms, especially if those reforms happen to clash with powerful financial interests. From the moment it was signed into law, lobbyists and lawyers have fought regulators over every line in the rulemaking process. Congressmen and presidents may be able to get a law passed once in a while – but they can no longer make sure it stays passed. You win the modern financial-regulation game by filing the most motions, attending the most hearings, giving the most money to the most politicians and, above all, by keeping at it, day after day, year after fiscal year, until stealing is legal again. "It's like a scorched-earth policy," says Michael Greenberger, a former regulator who was heavily involved with the drafting of Dodd-Frank. "It requires constant combat. And it never, ever ends."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-wall-street-killed-financial-reform-20120510#ixzz2icJnHLDZ

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Response to bluesbassman (Reply #105)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:02 AM

119. How could anyone possibly argue with Matt Taibbi?

Loved that, thanks.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:21 PM

8. omg.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:27 PM

9. Thanks Manny.

We'll leave the light on for you.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:30 PM

10. Oh Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch!



I thought your third way stuff was a schtick to take the piss out of the high and mighty here and now you come out with this?

I thought you were one of us, but to call us moonbats?

Say it ain't so! I'm shattered!

Shattered!

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:40 PM

20. Fear not!

My doctor says that things should even out over the next 4-6 weeks.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:21 AM

97. LOL

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:55 AM

136. A prescription for some purple bud might help.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #10)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:34 PM

48. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:31 PM

11. Phew

you had me worried with the first few paragraphs...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:32 PM

12. Manny, whether we agree on a given topic or not, you always make me laugh, and ...

more importantly, you always make me think.


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:33 PM

14. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong. And you forgot: now we all have microwaves

which means we aren't actually poor.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:15 PM

32. And refrigerators. Don't forget those.


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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:48 PM

55. iPods.

You can't be truly poor if you have an iPod. Especially if it still works.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:22 AM

98. and cell phones!

Riches beyond my wildest dreams!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #14)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:34 AM

130. Drones!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:33 PM

15. The more you let other posters fight your battles for you...

...the more you allow adulation without restraint...the weaker you show yourself.

You would have more of an effect at DU beyond your little clique if you stopped trying so hard to be the center of attention.

Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:36 PM

17. pretty much it

this is why DU isn't activism . at least not the same as making calls, signing up voters etc.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:48 PM

23. really?

Manny allows 'adulation without restraint'. What exactly is he supposed to do in this alternate course of action you want him to pursue? He posts satire on DU.

He should waste keystrokes fighting battles with posters who don't get satire or agree with him- why exactly? Never mind..

I just re read your post...

case in point.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:22 PM

37. "adulation without restraint"



That's the BOG's bumper sticker.

RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #37)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:28 PM

41. Next thing you know we will be posting swim suit pictures of Moderate Manny

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:51 PM

59. I'll make it my screen saver!



RL

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:06 PM

71. I want a picture of Many with a dog, or ... oohh better yet... a random strangers child!

Once the non-moderates see the adorable child, all of Manny's Moderate goals and bank policies will be known (by all) to be worth it!

If he poses with a child, we will know he must be a policy genius that acts only in ALL our best interests. I have seen such proof before and politicians that pose in such pictures are always dreamy heroes that must be supported without question, regardless of the policy!

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #71)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:01 AM

86. I, Manny Goldstein, am a *super* *genius*

I'll have my picture taken with JoJo the Dog-Faced Boy.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #86)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:29 AM

100. .







Everybody adores you!
This is how our "adulation without restraint" looks when we see your photo ops in our daydreams

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:53 AM

93. Lol! 'Swim suit pictures of Moderate Manny'!

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #41)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:25 AM

99. I'm telling ya

We need a Moderate Manny protected group here at the DU

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:30 PM

43. Cute lecture.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:36 PM

50. Aw, you want to give Manny advice! How sweet of you.

Lol, do you know anything about Manny outside of DU or how much 'effect' he may be having outside of DU??

Now I am going to give you some advice. Never assume anything about DUers, you really know only what they want you to know.

Put it this way, Manny appears to be doing better than all of his critics put together. So maybe, just maybe it is his critics who are in need of advice.

And I like you randome, I really do. I just wish you would get things right, well 'left' I suppose more often so we don't have to always be fighting over stuff.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #50)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:53 PM

64. Sounds a little like jelly to me.

His clique of one isn't working out...

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:52 PM

62. Wow you sound extremely jealous.

Don't worry, I'm sure your clique of one will grow one day.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:30 AM

101. Here ya go

Hope it helps you to feel better
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023720082

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:33 AM

109. Uh uh. That's total bullshit.

No other poster is somehow "fighting Manny's battles for him", as you say.
In fact that's totally backward.
People are toasting Manny because of his resilience, of his ability to express thoughts that others hold in their hearts, and to use satire to leaven the message with a bit of hopeful humor. We toast a compatriot.

And no no, it isn't a "little clique" that reads MannyGoldstein's posts, it's most of DU. Not with universal favorability, of course, but with attention.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:30 AM

123. Big clique.

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Response to randome (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:15 AM

125. Adulation Without Restraint isn't that the BOG's motto?

Along with Uncompromised Venom for all?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #125)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:38 PM

145. I believe it is. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:34 PM

16. I love you. nt

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:00 PM

25. I wonder if we could get a TWM group?

A place for satire where we can have fun and build a shrine to Manny.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:26 PM

40. Ooh! Ooh! Ooh!

Like with statues and things?

Do we get to ban people?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #40)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:32 PM

46. Yes, we can ban.

Yes to statues!!!

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #40)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:33 PM

81. We would get to ban people. But I'm an anti-ban person. I have no problem

arguing my points with ANYONE. But if we did have a Manny Group and we could ban people, it would be a lot shorter list than the one that already exists which seems to have banned most of DU! Lol! I trashed that forum long ago and never posted there, but I'm told that you can be banned without ever even going there. How funny is that?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #81)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:31 AM

102. Manny Groupies, Manny Fannies?

We could only ban those without the ability to detect satire, pre-emptively.

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Response to bobduca (Reply #102)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:42 AM

110. But I'm often totally befuddled by the best satire!!!

It only comes to me later. Yes, I always feel stupid, and I want to punch the nose of the satirist, but in the end I always come around.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #81)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:54 AM

112. "you can be banned without ever even going there" .... yes.

Some mods use the BOG ban list as an adjunct to a personal ignore file.
Getting into a debate with one of them, and winning, could find you in BOG perdition.

IMO the BOG is overly regulated with mods having too much individual discretionary power. I don't see how that helps any rapprochement of (the image of) Obama with a "left" that feels neglected. The idea is contrary to public statements that Pres. Obama wants a "debate". I don't doubt Obama's word.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #81)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:57 AM

128. Serious? Banned without even posting there?

That is funny, and incredibly petty.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #128)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:21 PM

155. That's what I heard!

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #40)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 07:55 AM

124. And pictures of Manny emerging bare-chested from the ocean?!?!?

OMG! I think I'm giong to swoon! Somebody catch me!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:40 PM

19. This needs to be stickied. Go Moderate Manny! nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:41 PM

21. almost had me there, Manny....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:44 PM

22. Well played, Manny, well played...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:54 PM

24. K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:00 PM

26. I only occasionally agree with you

and to be honest, you sometimes totally piss me off, but I still like you and think you are an important part of DU. Please don't ask me to explain because I can't.

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Response to nevergiveup (Reply #26)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:33 PM

47. Is it kind of, like, you just can't quit me?

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #47)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:17 PM

75. That must be it.

Thanks for explaining

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:29 AM

122. Iven though I'm already married to someone else

--and well past menopause to boot, I still want to have your baby.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:52 PM

148. Yes, that is quite true, some have the blues however and "must put you down for a while" I guess

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:03 PM

27. rec

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:04 PM

29. Well Done, Sir

I would not be inclined to play cards for money across the table from you....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:06 PM

30. Reformer With Results, Manny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:14 PM

31. You kick ass brother.

Don't ever change.



-p

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:19 PM

34. But I miss going blech ...

when I lick stamps.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:20 PM

36. oh my....



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:23 PM

38. You had me going there for a minute.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:29 PM

42. Satire aside, the "moderate Democrat's" track record sucks.

Thanks Manny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:30 PM

44. ROFL - Now WHY am I laughing like a hyena and yet..

.. NOT feeling even a slight twinge of embarrassment??!!?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:43 PM

53. At first I was dismayed. I thought you had clipped your own wings.

I should have known. You are incorrigible.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:47 PM

54. Maybe we need to form an ODS group

where we don't let in anyone from the BOG.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:49 PM

56. If you want to be taken seriously, please include more blue links

 

Particularly the kind pointing the irrelevant information

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:12 AM

94. ROFL

waffles

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Response to NoOneMan (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:14 AM

95. Or just answer OPs with links not related to the OP in any way, shape or form.

No comment, just links to your own OP.

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Response to Rex (Reply #95)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:52 AM

115. ALREADY DISCREDITED


link

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:50 PM

57. Does anyone have the jury results?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #57)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:52 PM

63. Oh, you KNOW they're out there...



RL

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #57)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:59 PM

68. Oh you went there...

Don't you see that orcs and moonbats should live as one?

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Response to Rex (Reply #68)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:06 PM

70. Imagine...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #70)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:08 PM

73. Dammit man...Clinton admitted he was wrong.

And as everyone knows by now...he was half orc and half moonbat. Won't you think of the moonbat-orcs Manny? Won't you?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #70)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:27 PM

77. That is the kind of War I like

That brings up some really good memories in my life...thanks for that and this OP.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #77)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:18 AM

121. I love that line.

"That is the kind of War I like."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #70)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:17 AM

120. I like that song, Manny. And this one too.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #57)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:10 AM

90. Results will be available shortly

as soon as the church members arrive.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:52 PM

61. LOL!! Nice framing.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:57 PM

66. Way to go Manny! Now they think you are weak!

But strong in the force is this one! Don't ever apologize, the orcs see that as a sign of weakness! And, as you know moonbats and orcs don't get along very well.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:59 PM

67. *LMAO*



Never change, Manny...unless it's to become more awesome

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:03 PM

69. Clinton admitted he was wrong.

MDM can't even do that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:08 PM

72. ...gimme a kiss.

Last edited Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:15 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:15 PM

74. Yawn......8 tries to get to this?....

You must have gotten some serious Internet Butthurt to warrant this.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:31 PM

79. More heat. No light. n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:36 PM

82. IBTL

A tiger can't change his stripes, a leopard can't change his spots, and Manny can't change his awesomeness. K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:56 PM

84. You had me at moonbats

 

O' mighty culture commando of free trade tirades!

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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #84)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:23 AM

108. I think we might have the thread winner here!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:06 AM

87. this place would be awfully boring if everyone agreed...

oh crap looks like i missed all the fun

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:07 AM

88. Thank you for being a stubborn bastard, Manny

 

I can relate well to this! Trust me.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:13 AM

91. As long as we're mending fences here

I'm gratified to admit that the subject of your sig line, Senator Warren, fortunately did not contribute to the onset of that great decline of 1993 (which of course, sprang full blown from the head of Medusa; things were going just swell till then, during the twelve years of Ronald Reagan and Bush pθre, and of course, now, the intervening eight years of Bush fils). No, she was not a part of ushering in that shameful era of moderation ... because she was a Republican still in 1993. Whew. Sure dodged a bullet on that one.

And thank goodness for it, because, as she explains it, "I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets." It was only at age 46, when a "moderate Democrat" had been in office for a bit, that she came to her senses and changed to the "new" Democratic party (slow bloomer, or something). No Marxist shilly-shallying there.

I just point that out because, considering myself more of an old-timey, lifelong liberal Democrat, I wouldn't want to see you fly too close to the sun. All's I'm saying, in my folksy, fence-mending way, is ... don't get caught in the rain again.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:58 AM

103. Many of us aren't looking for shtick here. Why not cut out the sarcasm/satire and just write.

We're mature here. Just give it to us straight and lessen the discord. It gets old.

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Response to brush (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:04 AM

104. Not a fan of the arts?

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Response to brush (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:19 AM

106. Everybody has different styles on coping, humor is an extremely effective methodology...

...sarcasm is just angers distant cousin, it's a healthy release.

Try to look between the lines.

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Response to brush (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:21 AM

107. I like Manny's style.

His posts work my abs.

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Response to brush (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 04:09 AM

116. You might wanna fork over some cash before using the "we"

It's just odd coming from people without stars.

Even then, pretending to speak for all of DU is lame.

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #116)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:22 AM

129. Like I said, I don't come here for schtick — or stars for that matter. nt

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Response to brush (Reply #129)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 09:48 AM

131. I won't point out the irony...

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #131)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:19 AM

139. Please do because your point isn't clear.

And that's my point with Manny. Get to the point, state it clearly and be done.

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Response to brush (Reply #139)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:19 PM

149. Or you could just not read what you don't want to rather than demand posts are made to order for you

for free by your (employee? personal OP poster? servant?)

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #149)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 06:11 PM

157. Maybe you're right

Thought this was a serious discussion site.

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Response to brush (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 08:32 AM

127. I like Manny's style

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:53 AM

111. Who is this Manny person?

for that matter who is defacto7....

never mind.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:58 AM

113. Third Way, er Moderate Manny.....I love your style!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:00 AM

114. Hahahaha hahahaha.

You do crack me up, Manny.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:06 AM

132. You are an interesting soul.. I will admit that

whew.. feel better..

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:18 AM

133. Apology accepted. Try not to let it happen next time. Eom

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:22 AM

134. Damn. What did I miss?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #134)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:07 PM

143. Let me recap...

TW Manny posts http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023711201 pissing off someone's sock who had posted the list of 20 whacks on progressive voices here. After the Alerter was successful in getting a jury to hide the OP, there were 3 Manny appreciation threads that were subsequently either locked by jury (mine) or by Hosts, (vanje's) and the last one (WillyT's) stood.

Just the typical conservadems trolling by insult and defending by jury bullshit that has been making DU suck for a while.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #143)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:42 PM

147. That last sentence says it really...

...which is a shame..

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:09 AM

138. We all want the same things

 

Look: In the end, all of us Democrats want the same thing, both the moderates and the moonbats.


Except we cannot agree what those things are.
For instance, some are for war, until they are not, like for instance when diplomacy interferes. Then having to lay down those skid marks in the sudden 180, to keep up with the talking points, defaces the parking lot. Or the Chained CPI isn't really that bad. Bailing out the Big Boys, so they can ship the jobs overseas is needed to help the recovery. Tax breaks that starve the government of operating funds, helps the recovery by putting $37.53 a year in your pocket and millions in the pockets of those that are shipping the jobs overseas, just so they can survive. That $136.76 million, minus the stock options and bonuses, paid the CEO, is hard on the bottom line, don't chakno?
Yeah, we're all Democrats here, Yes sirie Bob, yeah we are.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:29 PM

144. NO THANKS,,,,,nt

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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 01:06 PM

146. Lol, great post.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:33 PM

151. ALL your iterations are

spectacular!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:39 PM

152. As a radical environmentalist anti-gun-fetishist leftwing moonbat...

... I never understand what these posts are about.



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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:54 PM

153. ....

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:59 PM

154. And there you have it. Results. Evidence. Fact. Reality. ...I'M ALERTING!!1!


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:18 PM

156. Ego,

it'll get you every time.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 06:21 PM

158. Welcome to the warm, cozy middle, Manny

If you like appeasement, grand bargains, corporatism, banksters, rationed health care, and 3rd world stratification, you'll love it here.

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