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White Supremacists Use Black-on-White Crime as Propaganda Tool

White Supremacists Use Black-on-White Crime as Propaganda Tool

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Long a source of irritation for white supremacists, angry claims of an epidemic of black-on-white crime (often simply referred to as "black crime") have drifted closer to the mainstream since the controversial shooting in Florida of Trayvon Martin, a young African-American male, by George Zimmerman (who has been described in the media as a white Hispanic). Following the assertions, extremists have repeated their claims that a large number of white victims are being ignored. And now even some mainstream commentators have taken up the issue and have used rhetoric similar to that used by the white supremacists to attack the media for allegedly discounting white victims of crime.
White supremacists calls for action against "black crime"

Even as they deny "whiteness" to George Zimmerman, white supremacists have been busy exploiting the controversy caused by Zimmerman's alleged act of self-defense against an African-American. White supremacists have renewed their calls for actions against so-called "black crime," which they equate with hate crimes. Hate crimes, however, have a very specific meaning: they are criminal offenses against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender's bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation. White supremacists believe that any crime committed by an African-American against a white person is motivated by race.

On Stormfront, a popular white supremacist Internet forum, one poster recently asked people to join in a planned rally against black crime in Knoxville, Tennessee, scheduled for June 2012. The purpose of the rally would be to protest against new trials for black assailants who allegedly tortured and murdered a young white couple in that city in 2007. At that time, the incident mobilized the white supremacist community, which held rallies and distributed flyers that accused the media of ignoring what they considered to be a heinous hate crime. Police in Knoxville who investigated the crime said that the victims had not been targeted because of their race.

In May 2012, the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement (NSM) announced that it would investigate a number of alleged incidents around the country in which whites were reportedly the victims of crimes committed by black youths or other minorities. In particular, the NSM mentioned an alleged attack against two white reporters by black youths in Norfolk, Virginia, and assaults against white men in Mobile, Alabama, and Baltimore, Maryland. The NSM has called for hate crime charges to be filed in these cases and wrote on its Web site that "if the roles had been reversed and it was a White mob that had attacked a Black citizen, it would have been labeled a 'lynching' by the major media…We have discovered a disturbing pattern of the systematic cover up and refusal of prosecutors to prosecute offenders under these statutes when the perpetrators are Black and the victims are White."

That same month, the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan posted "a warning for white Americans" on their message board that claimed that there has been a significant rise recently in violent black-on-white crime across the country and that "this new racially motivated pandemic is mostly ignored by the liberal news media." The group asserted that it will organize a national distribution of fliers across the county "warning White Americans of the dangers to them and their families when approached by large groups of blacks." They added: "The Liberal Government jew media refuse to report fairly on these hate crimes so it our duty war our fellow Kinsmen of the violence being perpetrated against our Great Race."

On May 11, 2012, the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens (CofCC) posted an article on its Web site that claimed that a New Jersey newspaper had "censored" the race of the alleged assailants in what it called "savage mob attacks" on five white concertgoers in New Jersey. The CofCC dismissed both the newspaper and police accounts portraying the incident as an "isolated event." According to the CofCC, "almost as alarming as the epidemic violent crime being perpetrated against white people is the blatant media censorship and black-out of the racial element of the incidents."
Mainstream commentators take up the issue of white victims

Though more numerous now, such claims by white supremacists are not new. Recently, however, some mainstream commentators have begun to parrot some of the claims traditionally relegated to white supremacists. In particular, the commentators have attempted to make the case that there is significant racially-motivated violence in the United States in which whites are ignored victims.

A May 20 article on the blog Buzzfeed compiled a number of incidents in which mainstream commentators such as Bill O'Reilly, a Fox News show host, and Thomas Sowell, a National Review columnist, have asserted that the media is ignoring alleged hate crimes against whites as part of an active effort to hide reverse racism.

In early May 2012, O'Reilly focused several shows on the April 2012 incident in Norfolk, Virginia, in which two white reporters with the Virginia –Pilot newspaper were allegedly attacked by a group of black youths. According to O'Reilly, both the local media and police ignored the racial overtones of the assault and labeled the incident as a simple assault. On one show, O"Reilly claimed that " did not want to get in the middle of the racial aspect." Dave Parker, a reporter on O'Reilly's show who commented on the case on air, asserted that "if these races were reversed," it would be "a huge national story." On his show, O'Reilly said that the country was afraid of African-Americans. Though O'Reilly acknowledged that African-Americans have been mistreated in this country, he still asserted that the story was not front page news due to the race issue.

Sowell, who is African-American, went further in a May 15 column, calling the media's alleged inattention to black-on-white crime "a censored race war." Sowell also referred to the incident in Norfolk as well as "unprovoked violence by young black gangs against white people chosen at random on beaches, in shopping malls, or in other public places…" He added that, "if there is anything worse than a one-sided race war, it is a two-sided race war, especially when one of the races outnumbers the other several times over."

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association has also addressed the alleged issue of black on white crime, blaming President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder for ignoring alleged white victims of crime. On a radio show on May 24, 2012, Fischer asserted, "it's impossible, in their worldview, for a white to be a victim, they can only be perpetrators and blacks can never be perpetrators, they can only be victims. So unless the template for the crime is a white person committing a crime against a black person, they're just completely uninterested. They are not interested in justice, they are interested in racism and pressing their view of race."

The conspiracy-oriented right-wing newspaper, World Net Daily, published an article on May 3 titled, "Wave of Black Mobs Brutalizing Whites." In the article, author Chelsea Schilling asserted that, "in a wave of black-on-white crime since the February Trayvon Martin slaying, reports are emerging of dozens of brutal assaults by black mobs and assailants against white victims—and some attackers are citing the revenge for the Martin slaying as a reason for their aggression." Amazingly, in discussing one incident, Schilling's article reproduced a photo from the white supremacist Newsnet 14 Web site and used as a source prominent South Carolina white supremacist Kyle Rogers, a leader with the CofCC, describing him as a "reporter." The alleged victim, moreover, had reported his version of the incident to a number of white supremacist Web sites.

In this instance, at least, some of the information in an allegedly mainstream article had come directly from white supremacist sources.

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Reply White Supremacists Use Black-on-White Crime as Propaganda Tool (Original post)
marble falls Sep 2013 OP
Hoyt Sep 2013 #1
Recursion Sep 2013 #2
Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #3
Recursion Sep 2013 #4
kalisto2010 Sep 2013 #7
Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #8
kalisto2010 Sep 2013 #9
Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #10
redgreenandblue Sep 2013 #5
Behind the Aegis Sep 2013 #6

Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 01:07 AM

1. Shoot, the NRA and gun lovers and toters have been using this to promote more gunz in more places

for decades.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 01:22 AM

2. Black on white crime is statistically nonexistant

That's one of the reasons that dude back in the 90s who killed his wife and blamed "a gang of black thugs" got caught; it didn't pass the local cops' smell test and they started digging...

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:21 AM

3. Are you sure?

My understanding is that, while most crime is intraracial, there are about twice as many black-on-white as white-on-black murders per year. Do you view the latter as "statistically nonexistent" too?

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:24 AM

4. We were both just on the math/movie thread

So I'll use this example: you're comparing dx with 2 * dx.

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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 05:56 AM

7. Here's why Black on White crime is higher!

Imagine life was a Bowling game. The ball represented the criminal, and the pins represented all colors of the general populace. Just like society, the pins were 70% White, 15% Hispanic, 12% Black, and 3% Asian. So when the criminal decided to bowl into the pins, quite naturally, the pins with the greatest statistical chance to fall were the White ones, not because the Black ball hated the White pins, it's just that there were more White pins "available to hit". It's as simple as that. So please stop propagating the myth that the Black Scourage is out to get you. 86% of Whites are murdered by Whites. End of story. Everyone has more to fear from their OWN race.

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Response to kalisto2010 (Reply #7)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 01:52 PM

8. A few points in response to that:


1) Your statistics are both individually correct, but I think they don't match: in the demographic breakdown, latinos and whites are separated out. I can't find the source for your murder statistics, but there are some similar-looking ones on wikipedia which - I think, although it's not clear - are treating latinos as white.

2) Two very different questions could be asked:

a) I am white. Bob has just murdered me. What is the probability that Bob is white? Answer: about 86%.
b) I am white. Alice is also white, Bob is black. Which of them is more likely to murder me? Answer, if I'm right about the lumping: it's almost exactly equal.

I submit that in most circumstances, the second is the more logical question to ask.

3) If you're looking at inter/intraracial murder rates, it's probably relevant to split your data down into stranger vs acquaintance homicide. Because America is still so heavily segregated, and so many murders are by acquaintances, this leads to another possible question:

c) I am white. Alice is also white, Bob is black. I know them both equally well (possibly not at all). Which of them is more likely to murder me? Answer: Bob, by a significant margin.

(Of course, the odds of a stranger of any colour killing me are very much lower than the odds of someone I know well doing so...).

And, again, if for some reason your goal is to talk about "who should I fear most?" (which mine, incidentally, isn't - my interest is in "what conclusions about demographics trends in America can be drawn from this), I think that controlling for strangers vs acquaintances before looking at race would probably be a sensible thing to do.



Incidentally, this means that one consequence of improving racial relations in America will be an *increase* in the fraction of homicides that are interracial, and possibly even in the absolute number of interracial homicides, as a higher proportion of friends and (especially) spouses are of different races.

But I'm not sure "race relations must be improving! More white people are killing black people, and vice versa!" is a line that will sell well...



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Response to Donald Ian Rankin (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:33 PM

9. Sorry, but I disagree

You said: "I am white. Alice is also white, Bob is black. Which of them is more likely to murder me? Answer, if I'm right about the lumping: it's almost exactly equal."

That's pure BS. The reason I say that is you have no facts to reinforce or support your subjective conjecture. What evidence besides your innate bias did you use to come to that conclusion.? That's what I thought. Link your source, because your opinion is one sided and bias. If you can't provide the source then concede the point and move to your next assertion. I'm not reading your subjective analysis based off nothing.

Now on the next BS you posted.

3) If you're looking at inter/intraracial murder rates, it's probably relevant to split your data down into stranger vs acquaintance homicide. Because America is still so heavily segregated, and so many murders are by acquaintances, this leads to another possible question:

Only in 28% of the cases were people murdered by people they didn't know.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4

More BS, you said: "c) I am white. Alice is also white, Bob is black. I know them both equally well (possibly not at all). Which of them is more likely to murder me? Answer: Bob, by a significant margin."

That's because he's a Man, not because he's Black. /rolleyes That was a poorly constructed analogy.

As for the 86% statistic you said you couldn't find. All you have to do was type, Us Murder statistics by race, and the FBI.GOV website the first result you'll see.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6

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Response to kalisto2010 (Reply #9)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:10 AM

10. Um, I'm using *your* statistics!


If 86% of the population are white (including Latino), and 85% of white murder victims are killed by white people, it's simple maths that a randomly-selected white person and a randomly-selected black person are about equally likely to kill me! If you'd like to call your own statistics BS, fair enough; if not, it's a simple mathematical conclusion with nothing subjective about it at all!


I'm not sure why you think that pointing out that only in 28% of murders were by strangers refutes my claim that most murders are by acquaintances...


Yes, obviously men commit more murders than women; Alice and Bob were meant to be placeholder names. Read them as "person A" and "person B" if you prefer.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:42 AM

5. Can you fix that link? I'd love to see the website.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:55 AM

6. Unsurprising.

The link: http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/white-supremacists-use.html

The hate crime stats for 2012 haven't been released, they are coming out in November. I don't last year's hate crime stats on hand, but I am betting it is a matter of misusing the information. Those with hate-filled agendas often misuse data to impugn an entire group of people, be they from an ethnic group, religious group, or region.

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