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MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 OP
leftstreet Sep 2013 #1
L0oniX Sep 2013 #2
Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #3
LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #4
Cooley Hurd Sep 2013 #5
L0oniX Sep 2013 #19
LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #25
L0oniX Sep 2013 #26
LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #32
L0oniX Sep 2013 #33
LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #36
L0oniX Sep 2013 #37
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #51
LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #53
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #57
Benton D Struckcheon Sep 2013 #6
Scuba Sep 2013 #18
Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #43
bvar22 Sep 2013 #45
MADem Sep 2013 #59
L0oniX Sep 2013 #60
MADem Sep 2013 #61
Vanje Sep 2013 #69
ProSense Sep 2013 #7
SunSeeker Sep 2013 #31
Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #8
noiretextatique Sep 2013 #24
Liberal_Dog Sep 2013 #9
rhett o rick Sep 2013 #11
ProSense Sep 2013 #12
rhett o rick Sep 2013 #13
L0oniX Sep 2013 #22
rhett o rick Sep 2013 #62
Laelth Sep 2013 #10
intaglio Sep 2013 #14
ProSense Sep 2013 #15
intaglio Sep 2013 #17
Octafish Sep 2013 #16
Enthusiast Sep 2013 #50
zeemike Sep 2013 #56
Scuba Sep 2013 #20
Cryptoad Sep 2013 #21
Fumesucker Sep 2013 #27
nxylas Sep 2013 #46
treestar Sep 2013 #68
Fumesucker Sep 2013 #70
davekriss Sep 2013 #72
ananda Sep 2013 #71
Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #47
annabanana Sep 2013 #52
treestar Sep 2013 #23
Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #28
L0oniX Sep 2013 #34
Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #38
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #29
RoccoR5955 Sep 2013 #30
bvar22 Sep 2013 #48
Dragonfli Sep 2013 #35
L0oniX Sep 2013 #39
Enthusiast Sep 2013 #44
bvar22 Sep 2013 #49
grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #40
Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #41
Enthusiast Sep 2013 #42
dkf Sep 2013 #54
WillyT Sep 2013 #55
zeemike Sep 2013 #58
Zorra Sep 2013 #63
nashville_brook Sep 2013 #64
Oilwellian Sep 2013 #65
Vanje Sep 2013 #66
Skittles Sep 2013 #67
jazzimov Sep 2013 #73
kentuck Sep 2013 #74

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:56 AM

1. Obama should put the Individual Mandate on the table

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:04 PM

2. Isn't Conservative and Democrat an oxymoron?

If it isn't maybe it should be. Of course the Dem party has moved so far to the right that being a conservative Democrat may seem normal.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:12 PM

3. Nowadays, it should be, but not in the past...

I'm old enough to remember great men like Jacob Javits who was a PROUD "Liberal Republican". Inversely, I remember Sam Nunn, Scoop Jackson and Richard Shelby - 3 Conservative Dems I was never fond of.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:20 PM

4. I think conservatives should feel just as welcome in the

Democratic Party as liberals feel in the GOP. I think that's reality-based.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:23 PM

5. Yep. Ask Lincoln Chafee...

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:59 PM

19. Yeah ok let's invite the repukes to join DU too while were at it.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:20 PM

25. Isn't that basically what a conservative Democrat is?

If you call yourself a conservative anything in the U.S., you're basically saying you're a Republican. Some people are so concerned about all the non-existent Libertarian Paulbots around here, but we're letting conservatives post. It's interesting.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #25)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:26 PM

26. Most of it started with Bill Clinton. DLC = Dem Leadership Conservatives.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:36 PM

32. The C stands for Council, not Conservatives. Even they didn't have the balls

to call themselves Democratic Conservatives. I think the era of the conservative Democrats ended with the Civil Rights movement and the Southern Strategy. Who calls themselves Democratic conservatives anymore? Some people on discussion boards, apparently. If they called themselves what they really were, they wouldn't be posting for long.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:39 PM

33. Sarcasm challanged are we? Yea I know what the C usually stands for.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:45 PM

36. Sorry, Loonix. Sarcasm is a little hard for me to read sometimes.

I just thought you made a mistake.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #36)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:48 PM

37. The sooner you learn that I am perfect the better off DU will be.

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:16 PM

51. Well, the first part of your wish has apparently been granted.

There are so many Republicans in this Administration I have lost count.

Can you now point to how many Liberals have been welcomed into the OTHER party?

Bi-Partisanship only works when BOTH sides get something.

So far, the Dems seem to be doing all the 'welcoming'.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #51)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:35 PM

53. That's the point I'm making. When Republicans start welcoming liberals

and nominate liberal candidates, that's when we should start taking in conservatives. Not now, for Gawd's sake!

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Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #53)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:54 PM

57. I agree!

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:24 PM

6. Ed Brooke, Republican from Massachusetts also,

the only black to be elected to the Senate before Braun of IL.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:57 PM

18. It's way too normal ...




Hat tip to DUer RC for this great graphic.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:02 PM

43. ...

It either means:

1. socially conservative but economically progressive - a position that no one really holds. At least not since the demise of reform-oriented catholicism which has been dead for decades.

2. Socially liberal/progressive (at least to some extent) and economically conservative (resp. right wing). Our party is filled with these kinds of people, the Third Wayers.

3. Socially and economically conservative, which is the Republican/Tea Party.

From my experience, no one but 3. embraces the conservative label wholeheartedly. Which leads me to think that "reality based community" means "Republicans".

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:03 PM

45. Conservative Democrat = Moderate Republican = "Reagan Democrat"

And I understand why ConservativeDemocrats and their "supporters" are pleased with the current administration and current direction of the Democratic Party.



You will know them by their WORKS.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:26 PM

59. You should study history--most Democrats used to be conservatives.

The reason segregation survived for so long was because of the contingent of southern, conservative Democrats who wanted to make damn sure that the "natural order of things" wasn't disrupted.

The Democratic and Republican divides weren't about how "liberal" they were--there were liberals and conservatives on both sides of the aisle--it was more about the role of the federal government in day to day life. Democrats favored MORE federal government, the Republicans favored less.

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:39 PM

60. I'm not living in the past ...and yea I know about US political party history.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #60)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:45 PM

61. If you're aware of history then you know that political parties do not remain static over time.

After all, Lincoln of the Republican Party freed the slaves. Most Republicans nowadays would happily go back to pre-Emancipation mores, I suspect, and wouldn't mind owning a few of their fellow Americans, either, if they could get away with it....

Parties are like ships that travel across a sea of public opinion. When they head in one direction or another it's because their constitutents are pushing them that way.

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Response to MADem (Reply #59)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:55 PM

69. Now aint then.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:24 PM

7. Kill the bill!

And what's with calling it ObamaCare? It should rightly be called RomneyCare, or better yet HeritageFoundationCare, as a proper acknowledgement of the scheme's far-right Republican origin. We must stop stealing the Republican's credit, too!

No, Obamacare is better. Aren't you from MA?

I mean, didn't you know that Romney vetoed the best parts of the health care law, and his veto was overturned by the legislature, which made significant changes to Romney's proposal?

In Fall 2005, the House and Senate each passed health care insurance reform bills. The legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney's original proposal, including expanding MassHealth (Medicaid and SCHIP) coverage to low-income children and restoring funding for public health programs. The most controversial change was the addition of a provision which requires firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their workers to pay an annual penalty. This contribution, initially $295 annually per worker, is intended to equalize the free care pool charges imposed on employers who do and do not cover their workers.

On April 12, 2006, Governor Mitt Romney signed the health legislation. Romney vetoed eight sections of the health care legislation, including the controversial employer assessment. Romney also vetoed provisions providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program, and providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid. The legislature promptly overrode six of the eight gubernatorial section vetoes, on May 4, 2006, and by mid-June 2006 had overridden the remaining two.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform#Legislation


Here's how the veto was reported:

Mitt Romney health care vetoes overturned by Massachusetts House (Mitt Romney Archive, 2006)

By The Republican Newsroom

This story from The Republican’s archive is part of our look back at Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s years in Massachusetts politics: as Senate candidate, gubernatorial candidate and governor. It was published on April 26, 2006.

By The Associated Press

BOSTON — Sending a sharp rebuke to Gov. W. Mitt Romney, House lawmakers voted overwhelmingly yesterday to overturn his vetoes to the state's landmark health-care law, including the controversial $295 fee on businesses that don't offer insurance.

The predominantly Democratic House broke from debate of the state budget to begin the override process, first voting to restore a portion of the law guaranteeing dental benefits to Medicaid recipients.

The House overrides had been expected, and Senate President Robert Travaglini said yesterday that he expects the Senate will override all eight of Romney's vetoes. The Republican governor's spokesman said the differences were not essential to the larger goal of health care coverage.

- more -

http://www.masslive.com/mitt-romney-archive/index.ssf/2012/04/gov_mitt_romney_health_care_ve.html


Obamacare was the biggest expansion of Medicaid since the program was established.

Not only that, the health care law increased the Medicaid drug rebate percentage to 23.1 percent.

http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html

The President proposed the same rate for Medicare.

Obama budget is a disaster for drugmakers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022670043

The RW hate Medicaid.

Dean Clancy, the Vice President of Public Policy at Freedom Works, an organization that vehemently opposes President Obama’s health care law and advocates for eliminating most government regulations in the health care system, admitted that the government program is “fairly popular” with military members:

He's talking up Tricare because it serves the military, and military members love it. (I doubt this asshole is being sincere.)

The DoD initiative, which like Medicaid, contracts with private insurers, offers health care services “through both military and nonmilitary hospitals, clinics, and other providers.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/07/14/2297111/top-conservative-activist-enthusiastically-endorses-government-run-health-care/

Yet he hates Medicaid.

Dean Clancy: Why State's Should reject Medicaid Expansion
http://heartland.org/podcasts/2012/07/25/dean-clancy-why-states-should-reject-medicaid-expansion

Krugman: I Have Seen The Future, And It Is Medicaid
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023707846

More on the health care law.

Health Law Offers Dental Coverage Guarantee For Some Children

By Michelle Andrews

Tooth decay is the most common chronic health problem in children. By the time they enter kindergarten, more than a quarter of kids have decay in their baby teeth. The problem worsens with age, and nearly 68 percent of people age 16 to 19 have decay in their permanent teeth, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Starting in 2014, the Affordable Care Act requires that individual and small-group health plans sold both on the state-based health insurance exchanges and outside them on the private market cover pediatric dental services. However, plans that have grandfathered status under the law are not required to offer this coverage.

<...>

The changes in the health law apply specifically to children who get coverage through private plans. Dental services are already part of the benefit package for children covered by Medicaid, the state-federal health program for low-income people. But many eligible kids aren't enrolled, and even if they are, their parents often run into hurdles finding dentists who speak their language and are willing to accept Medicaid payments.

<...>

Under the health-care law, pediatric dental health coverage sold on the exchanges cannot have annual or lifetime limits on coverage.

- more -

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Features/Insuring-Your-Health/2013/011513-Michelle-Andrews-on-kids-dental-care-coverage.aspx

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Response to ProSense (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:35 PM

31. Thanks for the info, ProSense. Sure puts the lie to those anti-ACA talking points. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:24 PM

8. One must admire your chutzpah, Manny. Despite an error rate of nearly 100%, conservatives have

 

managed to convince at least half the people that their ideas are not completely spurious.

Though you and your ilk are always wrong, you have the absolute conviction of the thoroughly deluded, a conviction normally reserved for theocratic regimes,

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:18 PM

24. +1000

Eom

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:27 PM

9. K & R

Beautiful!

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Response to Liberal_Dog (Reply #9)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:42 PM

11. I never know whether to rec these threads or alert. Conservative Democrats?? What the hell. I'm

so confused.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:44 PM

12. You're supposed to rec them

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Response to ProSense (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:46 PM

13. Ok thanks. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:04 PM

22. Conservative Democrats = the Bill Clinton legacy. n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:50 PM

62. Conservative Democrats brought to you by the Koch Bros. nm

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:40 PM

10. Well done, Manny.

I am looking forward to your next installment: Saving Social Security by Defunding It (or, Kill SS before the Republicans Get the Chance).

Seriously, there have been DU threads and one serious article, mentioned here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023707872, suggesting that the way to save Social Security and Medicare is to go ahead and defund them before the Republicans do it. To me, this line of thinking is seriously flawed, to put it mildly. If Republicans want to destroy SS and Medicare, let them try (and let them suffer the political consequences for it), but I'll be damned if I'm going to help them do it by partially de-funding these programs.

No way, says this liberal, and any person who argues for such a course of action is immediately suspect in my book.

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--BB code error.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:47 PM

14. Hot-d**n I thought you were gone

Care to refute Pro-sense?

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Response to intaglio (Reply #14)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:49 PM

15. "Care to refute Pro-sense?" Blue link:

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Response to ProSense (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:57 PM

17. Sorry, should have put that in

I love watching Manny flounder

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:50 PM

16. Now you're being sensible!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:12 PM

50. Tom is just the best!

And sensible too.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:44 PM

56. Oh thank you for that....I missed that one.

And the sensible woodchuck is so sensible...he can make us feel better about anything.
Much like some here...being able to rationalize anything.
It will be a great honer to die on the job.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:00 PM

20. Snort.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:02 PM

21. If satire is too

If satire is too subtle is appears as gibberish

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #21)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:27 PM

27. Oh hell, you've been posting satire all this time?

I'm relieved, I thought perhaps we had another poster in need of beer and travel money and many experiences.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:05 PM

46. A helpful guide

When Manny is posting as himself, he signs his posts "First Way Manny". Third Way Manny is a character, a parody of all the White House staffers, persona management programs and sensible woodchucks who post here.

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Response to nxylas (Reply #46)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:54 PM

68. Then why is it not allowed?

Making fun of other DUers? I bet it would not be OK if someone did the opposite.

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Response to treestar (Reply #68)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:17 PM

70. Someone tried to do it to Manny, that's the post I was replying to which started this subthread

Unfortunately for them they were not nearly as skillful, witty or intelligent as Manny.

DU appreciates skill, wit and intelligence.

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Response to treestar (Reply #68)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:28 PM

72. Heh! Manny is a treasure!

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Response to nxylas (Reply #46)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:21 PM

71. Munchin on some third-way bark.

Signed, Sensible Woodchuck

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:06 PM

47. That, at least, was entertaining... nt

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:25 PM

52. HA!!!

Mmmmf





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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:07 PM

23. Except that none of that happened and nobody suggested that

Remember the counterproductive left wanted to "kill the bill." Not single payer, no public option, a corporate sellout to insurance companies - why would they care what might happen to it now.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:27 PM

28. Yeah, and while we are at it

we should draw them a bath and give them a massage. After we prepare a gourmet dinner for them.

I saw that thread, and it made me hurl.

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Response to Curmudgeoness (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:42 PM

34. "draw them a bath and give them a massage" What? No happy ending? WTF

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:50 PM

38. The happy ending was implied.

They are constantly screwing us anyways.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:29 PM

29. I think you just solved our problem. IF the morons on the Left who are

always whining about something, like SS and the poor and jobs and the middle class and fair wages etc could just agree to give credit where it is due and call Obamacare, Romney/Heritage Foundation Care, our Republican friends would be for it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:31 PM

30. That's it, give the Cons what they want.

Sure, pragmatic, my buns.
How about raising the cap on Social Security,
How about a .005 cent transaction fee on all stock trades?
How about we raise taxes on the rich by .1%?
These are conservative, what is being called for here is just caving in to the teabaggers.

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #30)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:09 PM

48. If you wanted to Raise the Cap, you should have voted for this guy:



Whatever happened to that guy?
He would have made a good President.




You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their promises or excuses.


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:44 PM

35. I fully agree!. It took the grown ups to save us from Welfare and Commie financial regulations

in the nineties.

The grown ups saved the economy and the struggling destitute banks by freeing them from the shackles of Glass Steagall which led to the economic successes we have seen and then fully realized in 2008 (only the ignorant left wingnuts can not see how profitable this decade has been for the banks, preferring instead to whine like children over lost houses and retirement money of a few millions of unimportant unwashed peons in a world that simply does better without such dead weight daring to take some of the money we earn from their indentured productivity advances)

Let us not forget how the reality based community fought for the common working man by reaching out to our partners on the Republican side to agree on trade deals that protected so many from the hazards and excessive pay of factory work, thanks to their efforts, Americans are now working twice as many jobs (something we should be proud of) and have less money to worry over, also, fast food work is much cleaner than factory work and many get discounts on burgers, (try eating a widget made in a factory! Yuck).

Even our reality based heroes of the nineties made some mistakes however, one in particular that harmed our relationship with our Republican brethren so much that they were emotionally forced to fight against us so hard even to this day. You touched on this grievous error in your OP and you are correct that we should avoid such a mistake in the present:

Welfare Reform, so successful in forcing so many of the filthy and lazy among us into the streets where they belong, thus freeing up much needed teats for corporate needs was an Issue we stole outright from the Republicans! We should have given them the credit, but alas in our arrogance we angered them instead, I even remember the great (although a bit too liberal) Bob Dole and many others complaining rightfully about how Clinton stole the welfare issue from them.

I believe our not giving them enough credit for such a great accomplishment in the fight against the filthy is the root of most of the animosity between the parties today, and Stealing their HeritageCare™ issue and claiming it as a Democratic idea is a mistake that will cause them more emotional distress and will further hamper our efforts to work with them on our common goals of a strong and prosperous future for the top (best) 1% of Americans.

I look forward to fighting with you, Boehner, Obama and others to strengthen SS and allow the trillions it has accumulated to be used on much more sensible things than food and shelter for the excessive population that can no longer work for the betterment of the economy, it is a fight we must win! If we do not strengthen SS then the trust fund may have to be used for peons that paid into it rather than making the budget look better thereby enabling us to politically give more tax breaks to the struggling top.

I wish I could rec your post 1000 times!! I do so like the cut of your Jib!

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:52 PM

39. It's not a jib ...it's a 155% genoa.

Yes I am a Tampa bay sailboat racer. Chrysler S-27 phrf 168 spin A

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Response to Dragonfli (Reply #35)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:02 PM

44. It was transformative.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #44)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:11 PM

49. LOL. It sure was "transformative".





You will know them by their WORKS.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:54 PM

40. ROFL well done!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:56 PM

41. This is the best third way Manny thread I ever read. congrats. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:01 PM

42. Third-Way Manny,

I love it when you put those counterproductive left wingnuts in their place!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:36 PM

54. Lol. You are on a roll lately.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:37 PM

55. LOL !!! - Me Loves Me Some Third-Way Manny !!!







& Rec !!!

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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:57 PM

58. Welcome back Third Way Manny.

What would the DU do without your sensible council?

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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:03 PM

63. lol oh hell yeah K&R



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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:08 PM

64. also coming soon: shielding journalists.

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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:31 PM

65. There Are Four Lights!



K&R

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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:52 PM

66. Genius.

That is all

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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:53 PM

67. conservative democrats SUCK

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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:39 PM

73. No offsense, but I think you are TOTALLY

misrepresenting the points of the 3rd way Democrats.

Now, I don't support their points, but I do believe in representing their points ACCURATELY so that those points can be disputed ACCURATELY.

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Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:46 PM

74. It's good to see that you are with us instead of against us...

We knew the President didn't mean it when he said he was going to bomb Syria and when he said he would put SS on the table. We have that ability which is sorely lacking in the liberals. Anyway, if he had done what he said he was going to do before he changed his mind, we would probably be a much better and more conservative country? Why can't others see what we see??

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