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Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:43 PM

Top 20 signs you might be a counterproductive left wingnut

1. You blame Democrats for what Republicans do
Whenever the GOP does something, that becomes the Democrat's fault.

2. You imagine that President Obama is a dictator and he's deliberately making sure that Congress doesn't help people
You argue that all Obama needs to do is "fight harder" and "show some backbone" against the thinly-disguised GOP racists, and then they'd all just fall in line.

3. You're not a regular campaign volunteer. In fact, you think writing screeds on DU is activism
You don't even know what cutting-turf is. You've never actually tried to convince an uncommitted voter, rather than attack people outside your little echo chamber.

4. Most of your DU screeds are not anti-Republican, they're anti-Democratic
You constantly crow that you're just "holding feet to the fire" except the vast majority of your screeds only bash Democrats. And often take on Republican coloring, like a reflexive belief in government and Democratic administration being evil.

5. You refuse to credit the President for anything you actually like, instead focusing purely on your hatred of him
If the President gets a very good deal, 99% of what you want, you'll rant about the 1% he had to give up. "Compromise" to you means everyone agreeing with what you want 100%.

6. No one can remember the last time you actually praised anyone or anything, except someone else's hate-filled anti-Democratic screed
You seem to never have anything positive to say, leading most to believe that you're a very angry, bitter, person, with little emotional maturity. And other hate-filled screeds are all you manage to praise.

7. You refuse to acknowledge that people on the other side of a debate have any legitimate concerns at all - like trying to keep a dictatorial regime from gassing its own people
Your fellow Democrats must be obsessed with bloodlust and love war, or at least that's what you believe.

8. You never provide a argument about what should be done instead that would address the other side's concerns
An actual argument that would potentially be agreeable to both sides might actually change minds, but that would deprive you of your ability to feel sanctimonious. In fact, "Third Way" is an anathema to you.

9. You counter any moral argument with a diatribe about some past bad action taken by the U.S. - nearly always done during Republican leadership 10 to 50 years ago
All reprehensible actions taken by anyone outside the U.S. can be justified in a kindergarten "we did it once too" by bringing up some ancient cold-war wrong, nearly always done during a Republican administration.

10. Instead of congratulating Democratic leaders on making what you feel to be the right choice, you imagine you have "defeated" the people who were actually mature enough to change their minds
You live in a black and white world of a zero-sum game, where someone else's winning means your losing and vice-versa. Therefore anything you like that happened is due to a "defeat" of the Democratic President.

11. You see no difference between Democrats and Republicans
Boy, there is not a single whit of difference, because you haven't gotten your maximalist position on everything.

12. Your arguments reference no facts, but are instead filled with unsubstantiated assertions. Your counter-arguments are ROTL icons
Did you know that President Obama is secretly twisting arms to destroy Social Security? Well, just because it isn't true doesn't keep you from stating it as fact. Any vague rumor is automatically true if it shows Democrats in a bad light. Your counterarguments typically run like this: "You're Quoting the New York Times?!? " You aren't actually laughing.

13. You dismiss facts that don't fit your worldview, and personally attack people who provide them
ProSense drives you crazy, what with all her facts and figures and research that disprove your assertions. You attack people specifically when their references refuting your made-up B.S. are long and well documented.

14. You Godwin political discussions, liberally attacking other Democrats with words like "Authoritarian", "Police State", "Hitler", "Fascist", "Corporatist"(the new dog-whistle for fascist)
You call people who explain mainstream Democratic thought Obama "apologists", ignoring that there is absolutely nothing to "apologize" for. Paradoxically, taking actions to actually stop a dictator from gassing little children to death is something you are against. You never acknowledge that Hitler wasn't stopped with a sternly-worded letter either.

15 You imagine that the DU is representative of mainstream Democratic thought, instead of being a place for the very liberal left to gather
And further, you actually argue that your positions are correct simply because the majority of the D.U. hold it. Here is a small point of fact: President Obama's approval rating among Democrats is 85%.

16. You have "left" the Democratic party and/or are sole-arbiter on who is actually a "Democrat" and who isn't
Anyone who actually likes President Obama clearly can't be a real Democrat in your mind. You have also written a "Goodbye cold cruel DU - because people don't support me right or wrong - I will never vote Democratic again". For bonus points, you've done both.

17. You continue to make excuses for Nader
And others who strengthen the GOP by dividing the Democratic coalition.

18. You imagine that anyone would pay to try to convince people like you that mainstream Democratic thinking is correct
Any time you lose an argument, or someone shows your assertion is complete bullshit by referencing established facts (see ProSense), they are clearly being paid to do so. Never mind that actual Koch propaganda is as nutcase and unconvincing as you are, it's all a grand conspiracy, I tell ya! A conspiracy!

19. You recognize many of these behaviors in the Tea Party, and recognize how much they're damaging the Republicans, but don't acknowledge the same in your own behavior
Your few moments of clarity come when you look at the GOP and see how their extremists are destroying their brand. But the similarities between the Tea Party and you (including a reflexive hatred of the U.S. government and conspiracy mongering) is something that you refuse to acknowledge.

20. You are incredibly offended by this list
Are you pissed off by this list? Maybe there is a reason for that.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:46 PM

1. This won't end well.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:21 PM

496. Divide and conquer.

Stand together.

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:06 PM

522. End?

What makes you think it'll have an end?

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Response to Electric Monk (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:42 PM

598. What is this? A Spanish Inquisition?

 

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:48 PM

2. Did you write this?

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:53 PM

3. Tough love.

And, Provocative!

I like it.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:28 PM

39. your concept of "love" is seriously twisted if you think that the

op reflects love of any kind.

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Response to cali (Reply #39)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:34 PM

43. see #12 n/t

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Response to cali (Reply #39)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:41 PM

132. See 12

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:25 PM

444. A phrase usually employed to justify, peddle or whitewash indefensible monstrosities.

Usually of this kind... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/To_Train_Up_a_Child

But, as we now see, has other uses too.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #444)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:12 PM

523. See #14

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:43 PM

599. Um tough "love" is the very opposite of love

 

IT's what authoritarians use to justify their power binges

Next please?

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:54 PM

4. I like it.

 

Prepare to be flamed.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:55 PM

5. I guess I disagree with the premise

21. You think killing Americans with drones and no trial is not justice.

22. You want a Unicorn that farts glitter (or single payer health care).

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:56 PM

6. What is this, some sick joke?

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:52 AM

351. it's a representative of the vapors crowd

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:56 PM

7. wow

I do not think there is a single person (other than trolls) that fits your post here. But I will



and see what happens.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:05 PM

14. Right. Troll Republicans. n/t

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:57 PM

8. As someone who is actually running for office, and...

finds DU of absolutely no help at all in that quest...

I am laughing my ass off at this bit of unfortunate truth.

DU is, however, a marvelous diversion and often quite informative if you know how to read with the jaundiced eye.

And now back to your regular programming.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:08 PM

17. What office are you running for? (n/t)

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Response to derby378 (Reply #17)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:06 PM

225. Town Trustee for Southold, NY

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #225)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:12 PM

412. no offense but how the flying fuck could DU possibly be any help in your endeavor?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #412)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:20 PM

416. Precisely where did I say it could? I'm quite well aware that there's little interest in...

these local offices outside of the localities and if the six or seven other DUers running for any kind of office begged for help here it's doubtful what they could get from people living outside the area. Fundraising maybe, and some high fives, but without a serious network little else could be accomplished by a pile of disparate anonymous people.

Be that as it may, it is nice to at least hear a few "go get 'ems" from some quarters. Nicer than "how the flying fucks..."

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #416)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:23 PM

418. best of luck to you.

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Response to think (Reply #418)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:49 PM

425. Thanks

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #416)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:40 PM

422. um, uh you said:


As someone who is actually running for office, and...
finds DU of absolutely no help at all in that quest...
I am laughing my ass off at this bit of unfortunate truth.

Your point was exactly what, relative to the OP?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #422)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:50 PM

427. That most of the points were spot on, but...

the howling masses apparently have no mirrors.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #422)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:55 PM

431. It sounded to me like his point was...

That DU is worthless to SERIOUS, IMPORTANT, REAL Dems like him.


Note that when Omaha Steve ran for office , he got help from DUers.
This particular counterproductive left-wingnut pitched in as much as I could at the time.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #431)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:14 PM

466. Quite frankly, we don't even know who we are, so...

no, it is of limited use.

Phone banks and mailings can be from anywhere, but small races like mine have all that covered so organizing a national bank would just add extra work for little gain.

However, if anyone out there is interested in starting some sort of national organization to help local runs, I'm in.

And, while thread has a poisonous taste, there's no need to be sarcastic in this subthread-- that's just evidence of the OP's point.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #466)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:25 PM

470. Omaha Steve revealed his true identity for purposes of his campaign

His campaign had a paypal account for donations.

Being a civil and useful DU member, he had nothing to hide.


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Response to Vanje (Reply #470)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:59 PM

484. There ya go again...

I'm NOT Omaha Steve and I don't have the time or inclination to ask DU for any limited assistance I could get in this campaign.

There are 8 of us running for various offices this year and we're doing just fine with fundraising, newspaper ads, door-knocking, lawn signs, phoning, palm cards, buttons fridge magnets, and all the other crap a campaign involves.

Did anyone besides Omaha Steve ask DU for help? Anyone get any?

Since I am apparently an uncivil and useless member, I feel free to say "Stuff it."

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #484)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:03 PM

486. If you dont ask DU for help....

Then don't fucking criticize DU for not helping you!!!


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Response to Vanje (Reply #486)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:05 PM

489. it is because we are just like the Op says, or something or lack ESP, plus we hates Obama.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #486)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:13 PM

494. You seem to have missed the point that I wasn't criticising DU...

for not doing anything I didn't ask for, but noting that it's not particularly good at it, so I didn't ask.

What I am asking for, if anything, is some moral support and an attaboy or two from what should be fellow Democrats doing what many here should have an interest in, maybe even want to do themselves some day.

I haven't heard that from you-- from you I've heard accusations and insults, not even the mildest support. OK, you agree with me on the candidate forum idea, but just like that other guy in this subthread you can't bring yourself to wish me well in this little quest.

And you don't get how there's too much of that and it brings down the whole discussion illustrating some of the OP's points.

FWIW, the other 7 candidates and the thirty or so members of our local Democratic Committee would never, ever, talk like some of the people in this thread.

Maybe your crack about "real Democrats" actually has a point.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #494)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:27 PM

497. You want a fucking " Atta-boy"?

You should have asked for it BEFORE you posted that DU was useless for your campaign.

If you need actual phone-tree work. PM me.
If you need to fund leaflets , PM me.
If you need an actual campaign contribution, PM me.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #412)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:46 PM

455. A little bit of smiling and dialing from a DUer living in the area would help....

If they were close enough, a bit of old school leafleting...

All politics is local, the way a mayor becomes a mayor is to start out in a smaller position...

DU used to have MEETUPS in the old days, and DUers actually knew one another. Those days are gone, I think....

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Response to MADem (Reply #455)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:53 PM

457. Sure, and did he ask?

No of course not. And it would be rather unlikely that anyone else here would be local anyway. So instead, in the context of the op, it was just a gratuitous irrelevant slam, apparently against the "left" here, for not turning out for his run for dog catcher of cabbage patch.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #457)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:07 PM

464. Well, aren't you the pleasant one...

I didn't ask because I saw no benefit in asking, particularly since my first mention of running was largely ignored.

Gratuitous slams aside, just what the fuck are you doing besides posting insults to people you should be backing, at least in spirit.

You talk about the OP and its slams on the sacred "left" but here you are proving the OP's point by doing nothing but inventing reasons to trash me.

We're supposed to be on the same side, but if this is how you normally act, I don't want you on my side.

I don't want you in the same room.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #464)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:04 PM

487. You posted here in support of a thread dedicated to insulting the vast majority of DU'ers.

And your complaint re my still unanswered question of how our unasked for non-support of your run for some very very local office was relevant as somehow starting the insults is, well weird. You trashed yourself. Again: you didn't ask for help, but somehow the "left" here is responsible for that help not showing up, thus demonstrating the validity of the crap op you are supporting.

Whatever. Good luck on your race for whatever it is.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #487)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 01:53 PM

593. This thread *describes* a relatively small handful of counterproductive wingnuts

...and helps identify them by their behavior.

It is certainly not the vast majority of DUers, much less Democrats.

Again, however, people who engage in such behaviors as I have described are clearly counterproductive.

And you, "Warren", have descended so far in your hatred of Democrats that you are bashing someone who is actually going to go through the incredible effort of actually standing for office. Across the Democratic spectrum, he's likely holds positions significantly closer to yours than mine, but you can't stop your froth for even a few minutes to see that you are hurting what you pretend to believe in.

So who is stupid, exactly, WarrenStupidity?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #593)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:37 PM

594. Your thread is flame-bait trolling of the worst sort.

But thanks for the gratuitous personal insult.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #457)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:20 PM

468. DU used to be more of a Village. People used to help one another out.

Now it's just a Cage Match.

I don't know if he asked--ask him. And NY isn't Alaska or Montana--it's a densely populated state. Why do you think he's the only one in his area? If I lived near him, I'd drive a few miles to help, if it would make a difference. Why make fun of that, or put it down?

Did you ever offer an "attaboy" to anyone running for public office here? I make it a point to offer verbal support to any DUer I encounter who is running for office.

I also do a lot of "local shit" in my own area for people who run for office. I round up elderly folks and drive them to elections--and that includes these very local contests that don't make the local TV news, never mind the national wires. I am aggressively loyal in this duty--it consumes a fair chunk of my time, and I enjoy doing it.

I don't take those comments as a "slam." I take them as a truth; this website has gone far afield from its early days when people were kinder to one another, were interested in supporting Democrats, and less quick with the "gotcha."

Every politician without a pedigree, without deep pockets, and without a famous name started out running for "dog catcher of cabbage patch." See, that's how politicians come up --- they start locally.

The fact that you denigrate the guy's effort with snarky "dog catcher" comments doesn't say anything good about you at all. It puts you in the Keyboard Commado Crowd, the Internet Tough Guy Brigade. It makes you sound both mean and petty.

It's easy to tear down, harder to build up. Pointing this fact out shouldn't freak people out so much. We are Democrats, here--most of us, anyway, or at least, we USED to be--and we shouldn't be made to feel that supporting the work of Democrats who represent us is some kind of crime, or is "uncool" because cheering for someone like Ron or Rand Paul is "cooler." And that IS the sense I get here some days. I welcome election season here, when the more obvious Demo-denigrators are forced to shut up for a change. A lot of the posts I see here outside election season would get a cheer over at FR--and that's probably because some of them are written by denizens of that joint.

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Response to MADem (Reply #468)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:28 PM

472. Not necessarily

I recently sent money to help a stranger who posted of his need to DU.
I bought stars for people , even people I generally disagree with.
Have you checked out One-Grass-Root's Wishadoo project?
I donated to one DU member's campaign for office (Omaha Steve), and would enthusiastically give to any other office-seeking members.

T.B.s post rubbed me wrong because he never did ask for help. Not a word. He proclaimed DU would be useless to his campaign.
He under-estimated us, and then used it as an insult.



edited...ad infinitum, because it takes me a while to get it , so that others might actually understand it.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #472)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:46 PM

475. Yes, I am aware of that project.

I'm not talking about that kind of support, though that is a nice charitable opportunity for those with deep pockets to help out those in need. Nor is this poster talking about that kind of thing.

I'm talking about the days when DUers actually knew one another, went to meet ups, organized, and provided support of a POLITICAL nature. You know, the kind of thing that takes TIME, not money.

I don't know if TB asked for help or not, we'd have to ask him that question--but he might have been put off by the attitude around here of late.

Lately, it seems as if a large contingent of DU is doing the GOP's work for them--bashing the POTUS and taking every opportunity to nitpick and tear down politicians on our team. They create a nasty, divisive atmosphere here that makes safe-havens like the BOG necessary.

You aren't going to get a super-liberal candidate elected in conservative states, so shitting on the best candidate who can win in places like Missouri or Nevada or Texas is just hubris. But I see that kind of ignorant ranting here all the time. And then, there's the "So and So Doesn't See My POV on (FILL IN MY FAVORITE ISSUE), so fuck him!!! I'm voting for Jill "Perpetual Loser/Stage Hog" Stein!!!" People who make the perfect the enemy of the good help us LOSE elections.

I also see--and am exhausted by--preachy diatribes from people who think POTUS is king, who don't understand where appropriations come from, who don't even understand how a bill becomes law. It doesn't stop 'em from mouthing off, though, insulting people who paid attention in their civics classes in school and who don't see things their way, and it just well, to beat a phrase to death, makes DU suck.

It is possible to disagree without being completely disagreeable, and I just don't understand why more people don't try doing that. I also think that, if people do not support Democrats, they really shouldn't crap on people who do in a place called "Democratic" Underground.

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Response to MADem (Reply #475)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:58 PM

483. "Deep pockets" No. You don't get it

I've used DU as a chance to give, but I do not have deep pockets.
I make less than 15K a year-take home. Deep pockets , I have not. I'm a pauper.
But sometimes, if I'm careful, I can kick 25 or 50 bucks to one in need. Its not much, I grant you. Its not nearly enough...but the BEAUTY thing is, that there are a lot of us, and DU has the potential to let each of us paupers combine resources.
That results in something that might be good.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #483)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:10 PM

492. That's great that you do that.

Some of us prefer to donate what money and time we have closer to home. My current charity is in memory of a deceased family member, so my spare change this year goes to a woman's shelter in my relative's name.

The OP isn't about giving to individuals in need, though--it's about political attitudes, and TB is talking about political support--not money, but "Hey, good for you--go get 'em, Tiger!!!!" or "Can I make phone calls in support of your candidacy? Would you like me to precinct walk for you?"

Even Republicans make charitable contributions--if that were the litmus test, those Koch asswipes would be regarded as good guys.

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Response to MADem (Reply #492)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:17 PM

495. T.B. Didnt ask for that kind of help either.

He didnt ask for any phone help. Or any other help.
He hid his light under a bushel.



And now he disses DU, because we didnt help?

T.B. can eat my shorts.......(unless he actually asks for my help, and then, I think he might be surprised. )



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Response to Vanje (Reply #495)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:34 PM

499. Well, he did say this in this thread...

http://betterment.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3711309

and I don't know if he said anything about his candidacy elsewhere.

I will say, the responses he got here aren't too nice. In fact, they're pretty vicious.

I think you're safe-he won't ask for your help.

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Response to MADem (Reply #499)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:39 PM

500. Agree.

He wont ask for my help.

And thats a shame, because I'd likely give all the help I could.

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Response to MADem (Reply #499)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:23 PM

515. Eh, he did join in on a rather vicious OP by someone criticizing a group to which they do not belong

Getting in the middle of a mud fight and expecting not to get any on yourself is a bit naive for a political candidate.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #515)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:49 PM

528. I never said I didn't expect it. I said...

I don't like it.

Should i like it?

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #528)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:58 PM

532. If you don't like it then you know how to avoid it

Not really being snide here, that's just a statement of fact.

Anyone who has been on DU for any length of time and didn't know the OP was custom designed to start the mother of all flamefests doesn't have any business commenting at all until they wise up considerably.





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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #532)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:10 PM

533. And I didn't say I wanted to avoid it, either...

I'm well aware that my remark would would attract flames to the moth, but you may not be aware of the contempt I hold for nameless, faceless "experts" and "activists" who must have their way and refuse to see areas of necessary compromise, have respect for the less odious and often even reasonable positions of the opposition, and, most particularly, accept their own faults and faulty positions.

And the OP certainly hit on a lot of faults and faulty positions. A lot of raw nerves around here.

The sorry truth is that I am bemused by a lot of this. Little of it affects me personally, but it beats Solitaire as a great time waster when I'm trying to avoid actual work.

Didn't used to be that way around here, but the invasion of the one-handed keyboard activists hasn't helped.



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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #533)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 08:28 PM

537. I haven't changed my views much since 2008

In 2008 DU was a refuge to get away from constant right wing framing and libeling of liberals which was rampant practically everywhere else on the intertubes.

Now I'm reading the same crap attacks on liberals here on DU that I came here to avoid 2001-2008, at this point it's only habit and the fact I like some of the personalities here that keeps me coming back. I'm utterly disgusted by the 180 degree turn I've seen many posters make here with regards to supporting conservative policy and rhetoric.

DU is not a refuge from the right any more, it's another damn battleground.





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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #537)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 09:00 PM

539. Nor have I. In fact I haven't changed much since...

about '86. Or earlier. And some of my attitudes about property and wealth are even more radical now.

What has changed is that after 8 years of Shrub we no longer have a common enemy and swim without much direction. Sure, the Republicans in the House are far worse and more irresponsible than Shrub ever was (if that's at all possible) but we just don't have that obvious target out there. We also don't have the leadership or serious political movement to challenge the rampant teabaggery out there.

So, we allow infiltrators and the misguided to lead us in attacking ourselves under the guise of liberalism, progressivism, or some such other -ism that sounds good.

What hasn't changed about me is wanting to find a solution, and an imperfect one will do in a pinch. The absolutist calls for one solution for whatever problem is under discussion drive me nuts-- even if there aren't multiple solutions for our side to choose from, demanding just one without understanding the opposition and bargaining in good faith when it can be done is pointless and self-destructive.

Opposition is good and necessary for progress, but a government, or even a discussion board, based on simply hate for the other side is doomed.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #539)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 09:10 PM

540. What you said.... nt.

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Response to MADem (Reply #468)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 09:35 PM

576. +1,000,000 x 100

Well said MADem

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Response to MADem (Reply #455)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:01 PM

462. Gawd I miss them...

been to maybe half a dozen in the Northeast.

Last one was held by two now banned DUers. Go figure.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #462)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:56 PM

504. This is a different place than it used to be... nt

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #225)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:51 PM

520. Smack the teahadist candidate around a little for us, okay?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #520)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:35 PM

525. Workin' on it-- but he might...

have more family in town than I do.

(That's how elections work around here.)

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:09 PM

20. You are running for office?

Hey - best of luck to you and thank you for doing that!

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #20)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:07 PM

226. Than ks-- it's not a major office, but I don't want a huge job

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:39 PM

97. How would/could DU be of help to you

as you run for office?

I'm serious--is there a way DU could be of help?

Anyway, best wishes and good luck to you, TB.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #97)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:22 PM

232. The truth is, I'm not sure. I've mentioned running before...

and got no response so I kinda dropped the whole thing.

I know others have run and had campaign fund requests, but this one isn't that expensive and I can cover it myself. Besides, we haven't had an organized Democratic campaign around for a long time and local donors have been quite supportive.

Anyone living in the area, and there are one or two, can help with the phone calls and canvassing. Actually phone banks can be set up anywhere.

In the long run, I'd kinda like to see DU involved in phone banking, fund raising, general stuff like artwork and campaign literature, and other things that could be done by an interested group. I think such things have been tried with questionable results.

If I may add to the general hysteria in this thread, one thing we don't need is advice and complaints from the legions of one-handed typists

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #232)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:48 PM

456. +1 and good luck to you--hope you win. nt

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Response to MADem (Reply #456)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:58 PM

460. Thanks

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #232)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:00 PM

505. Yeah, I almost think trying to set up

such things here would be more effort than they'd be worth, at least for campaigns for local office.

I'm helping out in city council campaign ("city" being a relative term, it's really a mid-sized town). Mostly it's just talking to neighbors, standing on corners with signs, writing letters to the local paper. On election day there will be a car pool to get folks to the polls. But not a lot of money involved, certainly no TV ads or anything like that. So a lot of outside stuff--or support perceived as coming from outside--could actually be counterproductive, as in "we don't need outsiders trying to tell us how to vote."

Anyway, good luck with your campaign. Let us know how it all turns out.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #505)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:44 PM

527. Thanks-- pretty much the same here...

local elections are pretty laid back and anyone getting nasty gets some serious pushback from the citizenry. The thing is that most of the opposition is actually pretty likable and does a pretty good job. The two most serious jobs, supervisor and clerk, are held by Republicans who are straight up, honest, and doing a great job-- makes us look kinda bitchy if we complain about them, and silly if we say we can do better. Tough to come up with a good campaign and cross-endorsing is often the best option.

Aside from small town favoritism, the biggest thing we are fighting is the Republican hold on the town with them having every elected job but one and getting into the arrogance of power trap. I won't bore you with specifics, but it's uphill.

Thanks for the good wishes and I'll start a separate thread on this in a little while.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:51 PM

141. TB, good luck on your campaign! Please keep us posted on what happens good, bad or in between!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #141)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:24 PM

234. Thanks. it's an uphill battle in this teabagging town, but...

we're giving it a good shot.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:18 PM

168. Have you even asked for DU's help?

The fact that you haven't answered the questions above suggests you may not have tried very hard.

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Response to mattclearing (Reply #168)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:29 PM

237. Lessee now, this afternoon I put a few hours into my day job, attended a meeting...

of an organization where I'm on the board, and then a fundraiser for one of our Council candidates.

None of that was nearly as important as answering posts here.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:09 PM

227. +1 and good luck.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #227)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:30 PM

239. Thanks

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:53 PM

266. Good luck, TB!

Keep us posted with your progress.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #266)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:06 AM

268. Thanks, I will.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:22 PM

417. I've actually run for office 3 times

if you don't count my three "campaigns" to be precinct man (look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane, no, it's precinct man!!!)

That DU was "no help" means what? Was DU supposed to help? Did I join DU so it could help elect me to office?

Could DU make a difference somehow? If so, it would need to be much bigger. I tried to use DU to help re-elect Nixon in Missouri, but with probably no more than a score of views, obviously that did not make much of a difference.

I try to use DU to battle against Reaganomics and to help kill the Bush tax cuts - without much success. But what else could I do that would have more impact?

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #417)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:48 PM

423. It means that DU was no help-- nothing more, nothing less. It does not mean...

I expected help. As I said in several other posts you may have missed, DU is not set up to help local elections. Note also that our anonymity is the last thing you want in a campaign.

And, just looking at this thread, I'm not sure I would want support from some of them.

Now, I understand why someone thousands of miles away isn't interested in my concerns over beach access and erosion or cesspool rules, but I think it would be nice to get some attaboys from the crowd and general moral support.

Perhaps a candidate forum might help-- we could at least give each other moral support and share tips, tricks, stories, successes and crying shoulders

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #423)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:05 PM

438. I think a candidate forum is a good idea.

Last edited Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:36 PM - Edit history (1)

A REALLY good idea!

About the rest of your post, Even the finest tool will do you no good, if you leave it in the box, or dont know how to use it.
Dont blame the tool.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:26 AM

558. Let us know how much you lose by

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:58 PM

9. 3b. Your (Sl)activism is reserved to signing online petitions and emailing Congresscritters

You've never actually left the house to DO anything.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 03:58 PM

10. This should get interesting

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:00 PM

11. This reads more like 20 signs of a right-wing troll

than a so-called "left" wingnut.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:10 PM

66. Yes, that is how I figure it

They never canvassed for Kerry or Obama, and they certainly never donated to our candidates, either.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:00 PM

12. Your screen name says it all.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:05 PM

13. A-hum. Speaking of "screeds".

screed |skrēd|
noun
1 a long speech or piece of writing, typically one regarded as tedious.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:03 PM

250. LOL

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:05 PM

15. You are attacking a DUer?

Good luck - enjoy the pizza

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:08 PM

18. Top 20 Ways DLCers Try to Discredit Real Democrats

is what you should have named this list.

And actually, I can see #19 as I type this and that is pure projection. It's the Obamabots that are the "you're with us or against us", "facts don't matter, we blindly follow our president" crowd, which is Tea Party behavior. Normally I don't use the term Obamabot or actually say Tea Party in my comparison/description, but what's good for the goose...

Speaking to #19, you are conflating dislike and criticism of certain policies with hatred of govt in its entirety. But you know that, I mean it's so obvious. Why would the left be defending medicare and SS if they hate govt? We simply hate the fact that our centrist/right president and blind followers are okay with offering it up in "negotiations". So who hates the govt???

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Response to cui bono (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:34 PM

128. I think "Obamabots" is fine...

...considering that at least one of the most prolific examples actually is a bot.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:08 PM

19. The list is just stupid. It is you I find offensive. nt.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:26 PM

33. +1,000

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:31 PM

41. I would agree. n/t

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:54 PM

55. A few points are spot on. Most aren't.

#14 is downright delusional.

However, conservative Democrats also have a vague feeling that maybe the party's over for them. Their ideas have been tried too long and they've failed just as they always have in the past.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #55)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:36 PM

215. You are right Warpy

When the lib Repugs fled the Reagan Republicans and decided to join the Dems "big tent", they thought they could snow real Dems and take over the party. They don't like it one bit that the real Dem's, aka, the "counterproductive left wing-nuts", aren't buying it.

No Siree....we're not buying what you "Conservative Dems", aka, Reagan Republicans are selling one damn bit.

You can take that to the bank baby!

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Response to Caretha (Reply #215)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:54 PM

249. Thanks. I'm all the things they hate worst

in one far left package. I'm expecting a lot of whining between now and the next election.

Conservatives, of course, always think the party has to keep moving hard right, following the Republicans off the cliff.

They hate it when we point out what a minority they are.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #249)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:11 AM

269. Hate? No. More like pity.

Again with the hate business. Here's a bit of a clue: you're projecting. We don't hate you. You hate us. I might pity you a bit for being so constantly, utterly wrong, but that's a different matter.

For instance, take your statement about "what a minority" we are. Please look at the following chart.



As you can see by the poll, Very Liberal people (which is what you are, in addition to being counterproductive) comprise 10% of the Democratic party. Meanwhile, 20% of the Democratic party see themselves as "Conservative" or "Very Conservative".

So while I am under-represented on this website, to the point where some DUers will say "Conservative Democrat" is "an oxymoron", in the real world, my side of the party is twice the size of "very liberal" Democrats.

Almost too much so. I'd like to pull some of those Very Conservative Dems more to being merely Conservative. Again, contrary to your utter wrongness, our end of the party is generally very rational, and we have no desire to follow the GOP into their wingnut hellhole.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #269)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:37 AM

288. Fuzzy math

You're comparing a single category (Very Liberal) with two combined categories (Conservative and Very Conservative).

When compared fairly, the liberal numbers really double the conservative.

Very Liberal 10%
Liberal 29%
Total 39%

Very Conservative 4%
Conservative 16%
Total 20%

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #288)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:27 AM

398. +1

Your hate for Obama was supposed to blind you to the math.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #269)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:02 AM

299. You misunderstood.

Pronouns are important.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #269)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:31 AM

315. So......you think we should become more conservative?

Hasn't this party moved to the right enough for you? Geez.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:26 PM

81. +1,000,000 nt

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:19 PM

123. Hear hear. nt

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:46 PM

518. Yup

This is what DU has become.


On this OP I

RL

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:30 PM

596. Yes.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:10 PM

21. One universal sign that you are an immature troll

--> You claim to have a monopoly on perceiving reality and don't realize that you're merely repeating the "Because I'm right!!!!!"- schtick you learned in kindergarten.

I suggest everyone check for this one too since we're obviously all feeling introspective enough today to go through the little list you posted.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:12 PM

22. Uh, shouldn't you be off attacking Republicans?

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:40 PM

99. Good point, Grumpy. Mighty hypocritical OP.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:51 PM

142. Actually, I try to persuade them

At least, those that can be.

I'd put my volunteer hours up against yours any day, "Comrade".

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #142)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:53 PM

458. What list does using the term "Comrade" fall on? n/t

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Response to cui bono (Reply #458)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 02:08 AM

601. I'm reponding to a guy who named himself "Comrade Grumpy"

So I dunno. Maybe a reality based one? I didn't choose his name for him.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:05 PM

155. Why bite the hand that feeds?

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #155)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:40 PM

177. Hmm.... Sounds like #18 to me. I could be wrong.

Please clarify what you're trying to say here.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #177)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:09 PM

190. You're wrong, and this is just one more example of why

I'm not saying you're paid. Why pay someone who volunteers to work for free, right?

I'm informing Comrade Grumpy that the reason that you spend all your time with your head up an orifice ranting about the awgulness of the left and liberals, instead of, you know, going after the right and conservatives, i.e., Republicans, is because you recognize that you have more in common with those people than with the people you are trying to address here.

Frankly I'm not seeing anything from you that would look out of place at any other right-wing echo chamber site. You might want to check out rightnation.us - not as crazy as FreeRepublic, but they certainly hate and loathe liberals and leftists. You'll get along well.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #190)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:33 PM

193. You accuse Democrats of being members of the John Birch society....

...and are terribly offended when I outline clearly counterproductive behaviors, claiming that I am attacking not only you, but "the left and liberals".

This sort of leads me to believe, Scoot, that you have a very odd view of what constitutes the "left and liberals", if you think these kinds of behaviors are at all common.

Again, let me restate something I've said to other people. I leveled no accusation at all in my OP. So if you see yourself in the behaviors I have outlined, it is your own conscience that is trying to tell you something, not me.

Let me also state that, while it is tempting for me to point you to www.revleft.com, I'd actually rather you find your way back towards the idea that Democracy means that you don't always get 100% of what you want, but getting more than 50% of what you want is usually better than getting 0%. And that applies to internal coalition politics, as well as contests regarding the party as a whole.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ p.s. That you actually don't think I'm paid, I think, is a step in the right direction for you.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #193)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:48 PM

198. Your whole OP is a list of ACCUSATIONS.

So cut the bullshit:
I leveled no accusation at all in my OP.


Your Republican roots are showing.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #193)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:50 PM

200. Some, yes, such as yourself and several who reccomended this thread

As your own choice of name shows, you understand that there is certainly room for a Democrat to be an illiberal douchebag, correct?

And don't bother with the "I didn't exactly say quite that, wink wink nudge nudge" argument. Surprising as it might be for you, I'm not a stupid person, nor are the many, many, many other people pointing this out on your thread. You can couch your bullshit with the wobbly terminology and deny the obvious subtext all you want, but you're not doing a real good job of fooling anyone - certainly not even yourself.

I'm under no illusions about what democracy means and does not mean. I would heartily recommend, again, that if the people and discussions on DU offend you in such a grave manner, that you find greener pastures. For your own benefit, you know?

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #193)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:56 PM

459. You are assuming people think your list is correct and truthful and factual.

That is quite a reach. Nobody on the left is buying what you are trying to sell. No one who still stands on their principles could.


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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:13 PM

23. I'm sensing a little passive-aggresive tone.

I could be wrong.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:14 PM

24. I've never been a campaign volunteer, but I protested at NoNATO in Chicago.

I guess that makes me a counterproductive wingnut.

And on #4, I'm sorry we try to hold the elected officials from our own party accountable for violating progressive policies we voted to enact. I guess lockstep is better.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #24)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:39 PM

176. I'm sorry you see yourself in these behaviors...

Especially if there is only one or two.

Let me also point out that there is a difference between a "Strong" leftist and a "Counterproductive" one.

I'm not actually asking any attacking leftist Dems, or asking them to change their beliefs. I'm asking them to become more effective. Rather than ranting ineffectually on a website, you could actually make things better.

For instance, that NoNato protest you attended, it didn't change anything. CNN didn't cover it, and people tend to ignore TV anyway. What changes things are person-to-person contacts, which you can only do through campaigns (or in a handful of extremely well organized local political parties). Knocking doors is considerably harder than marching in a parade, but you can actually have an effect in your local community.

You'll also find something else if you go this route: an appreciation for other points of view. The way I know the counterproductive left isn't actually doing anything (or harming their own cause) is due to the way they speak of boogey men that are pure inhuman evil. Most of these people don't sound like they've even met a Republican, much less a disaffected centrist. Nothing I'm saying is asking you to change your beliefs, but by talking to people face to face, you may learn they have their reasons for believing as they do, even if sometimes those reasons are wrong.

Effective leftists recognize this. You could be one if you want to.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #176)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:47 AM

401. There are a lot of ways to affect change, not just your way.

You are not winning over any of the 'counterproductive leftists,' with your 'my way or the highway' attitude. It feels kind of like you're telling us to sit down & shut up. We've heard that before.

Shame on you for telling another DUer that protesting did no good.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:15 PM

25. sigh...

from your journal:

"The oddest thing is the absolute pure anti-Democratic party hatred. So many here really are the mirror image of the Tea Party: mindless screaming ranters determined to tear the one organized group that is actually effective in pushing forward the policies they purport to believe in. If I were as conspiracy minded as the loons that accuse me receiving a paycheck for posting on the D.U., I'd say they were secretly all Republicans conspiring to tear Democrats down. Alas, Occam's Razor tells me that instead, it's just people too wrapped in their own internal partisan morality play to acknowledge reality or the complexities of the real world."


IMO, comparing DUers to the Tea Party should be against DU rules. Would you compare DUers who don't agree with you to the KKK? Perhaps you would, but IMHO that's not Kosher..

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Response to G_j (Reply #25)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:20 PM

28. The ironic thing is that his description fits him better than any other DUer. nt

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Response to Democracyinkind (Reply #28)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:01 AM

366. it fits ALL of those screaming Groupies

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Response to G_j (Reply #25)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:24 PM

30. The whole thing... Du is the "last bastion of magical thinking, tribalism, etc etc"

It would be truly interesting to have a debate...

...with people on the other side of this issue who could actually acknowledge reality. Saying something like: "Yes, obviously the law allows this, but it should be changed. Here's how we could draw the line a little closer, and not interfere with our legitimate national security concerns."

Alas, I've come to the conclusion that the D.U. isn't the place to do this. It seems to be the last bastion of magical thinking, tribalism, conspiracy theories, counterproductive screeching, willingness to completely make "facts" up, and so many different kinds of logical fallacies it's hard to keep track of them all.

The oddest thing is the absolute pure anti-Democratic party hatred. So many here really are the mirror image of the Tea Party: mindless screaming ranters determined to tear the one organized group that is actually effective in pushing forward the policies they purport to believe in. If I were as conspiracy minded as the loons that accuse me receiving a paycheck for posting on the D.U., I'd say they were secretly all Republicans conspiring to tear Democrats down. Alas, Occam's Razor tells me that instead, it's just people too wrapped in their own internal partisan morality play to acknowledge reality or the complexities of the real world.

The good news is that our party isn't plagued by these people as the Republicans are. Hard leftist loons sound doubly mad because they know normal Democrats don't pay attention to them. On the GOP side though, the inmates really have taken over the asylum. Howard Dean said it best, rather recently, to a GOP consultant on Bill Maher's show. "Your party is about 49% crackpots, ours has only 10."

And at least our crackpots know how to use a spelling checker. That's a plus.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #30)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:20 PM

73. They're just another Hetero White Christian American being oppressed by political correctness

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:16 PM

26. Interesting Post

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:16 PM

27. hilarious.

another adolescent screed characterizing objection to dem / obama policies as 'hatred'. isn't it time grow up from that?

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Response to KG (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:29 PM

173. Indeed it is...absolutely no sense of historial context...only about "what's happenin' now"

It would be laughable if not so sad.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:24 PM

29. A caricature, but much of this rings true

Your forgot the predictable reference to the DLC, but someone responded with that for you.

But, you should edit the post and remove the DUer call-out. Not good form. And the referenced DUer has been a great source for information.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #29)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:24 PM

78. i think he was defending prosense, old chap!

how's it going? should we start an argument for old times sake

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Response to dionysus (Reply #78)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:54 PM

145. Oh really? I must have misread

Anyhoo, nah - you and I probably come across as two of the more sensible people on DU these days.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #145)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:05 PM

205. yes, prosense is constantly called a paid shill by a dozen or so "democrats" here on

a daily basis. sad, really. that's what the OP refers to.

because on the New DU, you have to be paid, apparently, to support Democrats. it's nuts!

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:25 PM

31. Great read!



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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:25 PM

32. I'm incredibly bored by this list.

I'm also incredibly bored by lists that slam people like you who I don't agree with.

It's just moronic sniping.

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Response to cali (Reply #32)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:26 PM

80. i think there's truth in some points on the list cali, but i wouldn't apply them to you.

reading DU daily, I think there's quite a few people who it fits fairly well.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #80)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:53 PM

106. I'm not saying there isn't some element of truth

there, but there are some gross distortions and it really is just sniping.

In any case, I know for a fact that the op does consider me the "wingnut left".

Glad you don't.

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Response to cali (Reply #106)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:56 PM

107. after reading your posts for almost 10 years i know you have integrity.

I can think of some DUers who fit the list to a tee, but I don't feel like calling anyone out, plus its a Saturday

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Response to cali (Reply #32)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:11 PM

120. four (or more) posts on one thread

clearly hating on the OP. Funny sniping about somthing you think is sniping haa haa.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:26 PM

34. Of course attacking the left on DU, makes one what, exactly? LOL

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #34)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:28 PM

37. I would love to answer that question.

But it'd be hidden.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #34)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:31 PM

40. "A Conservative Democrat".




Now be nice to me as those are "Left Wingnut ROFL's"

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:54 AM

404. DUzy!



on edit: I know we don't have them anymore, but if we did...

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #34)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:56 PM

56. you can take it

there have been many attacks against regular Democrats on DU, so people who make those should be able to take it too.

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Response to treestar (Reply #56)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:29 PM

85. The OP will not answer the simple question asked by the poster you taunt. Incapable of doing

so.
And what the fuck is a 'regular Democrat'? Regular is a suit size or a way to order coffee. Regular. Jesus.

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Response to treestar (Reply #56)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:03 AM

357. Regular Democrat???

WTF is that supposed to be or mean? Geez.


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Response to cui bono (Reply #357)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:08 AM

392. So you really have to make it about that?

Geez. You have to get your phrasing exactly right.

People to the left of Democrats are allowed to post on DU, socialists, etc. So mainstream Democrats are a part of DU (they try to get us banned to see if they can move the board totally to the left or libertarianism, and they are getting numerous enough to hide our posts).

Oh, and so the point was, they ought to be able to take some heat, given how they dish it out. Geez.



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Response to treestar (Reply #392)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:09 PM

439. If you got a post hidden,Its because it might have been a rude post

You might have called a fellow DUer a pompous A-hole.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #439)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:24 PM

443. Or maybe told a LGTB

person that "you have enough rights"

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Response to Puglover (Reply #443)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:32 PM

446. Smearing people over their past posts

Is what makes DU suck. I'm sure there was a context there.

Is this to try to intimidate? I think it is.

I don't bother to research posters since I stick to the issues. But I have one stalker (to whom everyone is a homophobe if they did not throw Obama under the bus over Rick Warren) and I think that is wrong and very bad behavior.

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Response to treestar (Reply #446)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:43 PM

451. Your words.

Get back to me on how it feels when someone tells you that "YOU have enough rights" There sure as hell was context and you know exactly what it was. Apologies work you know. You have never once expressed regret over that unbelievably cold remark.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #439)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:08 PM

465. "You have plenty of rights."

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Response to treestar (Reply #392)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:30 PM

445. Really? You don't see how the use of "regular Democrat" implies that those you disagree with are

irregular? What if you referred to straight people as regular people, how do you think that would go over? Words are important.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #34)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:06 PM

156. Pointing out behaviors of the counterproductive left...

Makes one a "Democrat", obviously. The Democratic Party has no interest in being captured by crazies in the same way that the Republicans have been captured by Tea Party crazies.

Please also note that I didn't actually "attack the left". (There are plenty of people on the left who are absolute sweethearts, and quite persuasive to boot.) All I did was to point out some counterproductive behavior.

So, if you see yourself in these twenty statements, then it isn't me who is "attacking" you. It's your own conscience.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #156)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:27 PM

211. HAHAHA! Attacking Syria is insane. Instituting the Heritage foundations health care plan

is wacked.

Extending the Bush tax cuts, nuts.

Bailing out the banks, ludicrous.

And generally compromising with crazies on the right, who continually refuse to compromise, then doing it over and over is the definition of crazy.

....unless one has a different agenda....

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #211)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:15 PM

414. In all fairness, Einstein never said that, and it is wrong.

But i agree that the behavior is delusional.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:27 PM

35. I think you're trying to do something good here but excessive Anger is getting in the way.

I think the vast majority of DUers try to do the best that they can.
Remember, they're under a lot of stress also..

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:27 PM

36. Lemme guess. You write for "The Peoples View"?

If not, you should. Its right up your alley.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:28 PM

38. self righteous rant

 

Last edited Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:14 PM - Edit history (2)

Elitist bullshit for elitist thinkers.


"You aren't one of us" in a long winded meandering kind of way.

Satisfied with the status quo. Thinks the Democratic Party is on the right track. Roots for the team and all the glorious "winning" that comes with it. Celebrates economic disparity as better than self defined alternatives. Thinks that working a phone bank for the DLC is a certification for passing judgment.


If you think the Democratic Party has evolved into something unrecognizable, the OP gives an enlightening glimpse how.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #38)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:39 PM

47. elitist thinkers that the actual elite has no awareness of

identifying with power won't give you power - though i suppose it might give your statements an air of authority

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Response to BOG PERSON (Reply #47)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:11 PM

158. It is bookmarked

 

Will be linked every time I see GOTV posted here.

Every. Single. Time.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #38)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:46 PM

244. Let me see now

How many on the list fit you? Just asking.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #244)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:52 PM

265. To be honest

 

I skimmed through it. Saw just enough to think it a waste of time to read it all.

I could give a shit how I am labeled. Especially by "Conservative" Democrats. I lay equal blame to them for the state of our nation.

Frankly, I'm pissed off at what the Democratic Party has become. I don't have time to wallow in the OP mire.

"Conservative Democrats"

Freaking pawns of the financial moguls. The worst possible influence on our nation. Economic Neo Cons.

You will be swallowed up by the millennials and spit out. Just a matter of time.

I'll try to help speed things up.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #265)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:22 AM

309. So tell me

Do you ever have anything nice to say about democrats, the president, or anyone in congress? I know how you feel about president Obama, you know the "colossal failure", at least according to you. And your idea that allowing the crazies to take control will some how "help" the party get back on the right track, although letting the tea baggers, the Paul bots, and insane republicans run things would pretty much a worse problem than when George W. Bush was president.

What kind of a Supreme court do you thin we would get with the right wing nuts in charge?

What kind of programs would they put in place to help seniors, the poor, women's rights, etc.?

How about health care for those in need? Do you think that if the crazies took over they would actually help those who really need help?

How would you speed things up, but trying to encourage others to NOT vote, or to actually vote for the crazies?

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #309)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:17 AM

376. I'm getting my money's worth

 

Both in donations and time spent. Since I'm not seeing much return for my efforts, I believe I shall vent here often.

Voted twice for the President. Have voted straight Democratic ticket since 1976.

I have probably cast as many Democratic votes as you have.

I don't have many good things to say about the Democratic leadership or our President. In my opinion, they are puppets. In my opinion, the President lied to us during his campaign.

I will, however, lavish great praise upon Warren, Brown, and Grayson. I agree with a good many things from Merkley, Akala, Boxer, Harkin, Udall, and Murray, although they I do believe they could be coerced by the President to support some of his economic agenda if lobbied hard enough.

My primary objective is to help swing the Democratic party back to being representative of the working man. I don't give a crap how it is done. If they have to be embarrassed at the polls, then so be it. I refuse to reinforce their behavior by helping them implement a financial mogul's wet dream.

You focus on beating Republicans. I focus on getting the Democratic Party back. We each have our own priorities.

Republicans in power will attempt to implement crazy with respect to social issues. It will be their death knell. Regardless, the social issues can wait as I recognize these social issues as the carrot that the third way is dangling before us. I will temporarily remove that carrot. For me, the primary issue is the concentration of wealth at the expense of the working poor. The GOP are the least of my concerns right now if the only alternative to GOP economic policy is more GOP economic policy.


I'm not going to stop.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #376)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:53 AM

403. Interesting

You said you voted for him twice, yet from a lot of your posts this year, the beginning of his second term, you have said he was a total failure in one post, slammed him in many others, so as soon as he started his second term you find out that he was such a failure?

Have you posted anything positive about the president this year? If so please link be to the post and I will gladly apologize.

The problem I have with how you "want" to change the party is that turning it over to the crazies, and waiting for the next election when you say people will wake up after being subjected to the insane thinking of said crazies, doesn't make any sense. Look at the damage George W. Bush did to this country. Letting the crazies run things will make what Bush did look like a picnic in the park! Even if your theory was right and the "next" election they got voted out , how much damage would they have done "before" being voted out? In the case of 2016 and getting a president Christie, which you also have said "we could to worse", what do you think he would do to help the country? What kind of judges would he put on the Supreme court? You really need to think about some of these things because putting the nuts in office is't going to fix a thing, it will only cause more hardship for those at the bottom, and more money for those at the top.
Putting the crazies in charge would simple be a total disaster.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #403)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:35 PM

421. "Putting the crazies in charge would simple be a total disaster"

 

It sure as hell would. It would create a political upheaval. Perhaps spark a Renaissance.


Obviously you don't know my timing with the President. Look for his initial proposal to cut back on Social Security. That is when you first started to hear me grumble. It has gone down hill from there. Always more bad news. Never anything uplifting or positive.

I'm talking about things he initiates. For example, his secret trade agreement isn't related to GOP House obstructionism.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #421)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:50 PM

426. Still not answering the questions

What kind of a Supreme court judge would one of the crazies put in office?

What kind of programs to help those in need would the crazies put in place?

What kind of a mess would here be, I think worse than the one Bush left, when they leave office?

How can things change if it takes another 20 years to clean up the mess left by Bush, and the one left by the crazies if your theory comes to be?

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #426)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:48 PM

476. I answered your question

 

Enough terrible policy to create a tsunami of public backlash.


The correction factor would be considerable. The pendulum swing to the left would be significant.

The slow, methodical crumbling of the middle class by the third way is actually more effective for the tycoons. The Republicans would cause the burner to be turned up to the point where the frogs would jump out of the pot of boiling water.

The political revolution can only take place if those that recall the time before Clinton can have influence. They have tangible history for comparison. When that generation is gone, and if the third way remains in power, there will be future generations that believe our current administration is the definition of the left with respect to economics.

The boiled frog, the small incremental changes over time, the conditioning of the populace, is a much greater danger. "Shock and awe" social issues by Republicans will wake people up.

Of course this isn't the most favorable route. The most favorable route would be a Democratic Party that represents the working man. Unfortunately, the tycoons appear to be solidly imbedded. Hence, the top priority must be "fixing" the Democratic party. Greater priority then defeating Republicans.

The Republicans are their own worst enemy. They will quite naturally, defeat themselves. They are most effective at doing this when they try to impose their will.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #426)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:56 PM

480. You're playing the lesser of two evils game. We are playing the make the lesser evil good game. n/t

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Response to mick063 (Reply #376)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:30 PM

420. An excellent post.

This:

Republicans in power will attempt to implement crazy with respect to social issues. It will be their death knell. Regardless, the social issues can wait as I recognize these social issues as the carrot that the third way is dangling before us. I will temporarily remove that carrot. For me, the primary issue is the concentration of wealth at the expense of the working poor. The GOP are the least of my concerns right now if the only alternative to GOP economic policy is more GOP economic policy.




Can you have social justice without economic justice? I believe that economic justice is the foundation of a just society. I liken it to three hots & a cot, which trumps social issues. How does it benefit the 99% to have social justice, if we are oppressed economically? A democratic president was the first to suggest cuts to social security. Did he do it? No, but he suggested it, and now it's out there. In the first Borg Star Trek episode, at the end, Guinan warns Picard, "But now that they know you're out here..." Making cuts to SS is on the table now & a dem prez did it!


This may be my favorite political cartoon of the time:



This is what voting for the lesser of two evils gets you - exactly what you were voting against in the first place.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #265)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:24 AM

373. Stop!

Stop writing those words right now! You have strayed outside the officially defined boundaries of 'journalism'. There will be no thinking outside the cardboard cubical, you unpatriotic fuck.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #373)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:56 AM

405. Sorry

I always did hate it when I was put into on of those boxes. I guess I just can't help myself!

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #405)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:58 PM

482. They were responding to someone else.


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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:33 PM

42. Another rant attacking Democrats for attacking Democrats

I wonder if you even realize what a hypocrite you sound like?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #42)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:46 PM

245. Under different circumstances, it would be avant-garde.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:37 PM

44. 20 lies n/t

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:37 PM

45. you post this and don't respond. not exactly a portrait in courage

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Response to cali (Reply #45)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:32 PM

127. Hi Cali...

...I know you are in a lot of physical pain, you've said so, so you get a pass from me, despite our obvious differences representing the different wings of the party, and your significant negativity. Being in pain sucks.

Still, I stand by this list. You will note that I don't actually call anyone out (other than to defend and laud ProSense).
I only call out counterproductive behavior.

So those who take offense at this list are, themselves, admitting to it. Kind of like this:


Party goer: "Those who snoop in the bathroom medicine cabinets of their host is an ass."

Party goer 2: "Hey! That's offensive! Don't call me an ass!"


- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #127)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:43 AM

344. You post this piece of shit OP and then have the gall to harp about Cali's negativity?

Physician, heal thyself.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #127)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:31 AM

360. Nonsense. There are plenty of other reasons to be offended by this list.

Yet you lecture people about fallacies.

"Hey, ConservativeDemocrat, have you quit beating your wife?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question which contains a controversial or unjustified assumption ( e.g., a presumption of guilt).
Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #360)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:15 AM

370. I don't think every member of the "Reality based community"

has quite arrived at that awareness.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #127)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:52 AM

364. "You will note that I don't actually call anyone out"


Let's cut the crap, hm? Baiting is baiting whether you specify the target or not.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:38 PM

46. Posted by a non Center/Left of Center Democrat.

 

I find your OP offensive. You maybe had a mirror in front of you when you wrote that?


You sure are not on the Left of that graphic, that's for sure

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:39 PM

48. Creepy , It doesn't describe anyone here

sounds like BS to me. Besides it is the blue dogs that fuck everything up by voting with pugs at every opportunity.

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Response to mitchtv (Reply #48)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:04 PM

153. You haven't been paying attention, have you?

Try reading some of these replies.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:42 PM

49. Wow, thanks ConservativeDemocrat....

.... I had no idea just what a despicable douche-nozzle I really am. There's only one thing left for me to do and that is to go out on the porch, smoke a cigarette and cry, cry, cry. I never realized what a true friend you are and that you are only looking out for what's best for me. I am so ashamed. I promise I'll try and do better. Oh please, please, please, will you be my guiding light. I don't think I can do this alone. I am sorry.


Carry on.

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Response to sgtbenobo (Reply #49)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:56 PM

58. You for got "and bless your heart."

That's in the southern sense, of course.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #58)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:55 AM

296. Cause you can say anything about anyone

so long as you follow with -bless his heart. Or so I've been told.

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Response to WCLinolVir (Reply #296)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:03 AM

300. Oh, the worse it is the more fun it is

"Bless your/his heart" is one of the best things I took away from the south.

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Response to sgtbenobo (Reply #49)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:36 PM

194. If you see yourself as a douche-nozzle, I'm sorry for you

You will see no mention of "sgtbenobo" in my OP, or anyone else for that matter (other than ProSense, who I defend). So if you see yourself in the counterproductive behaviors I outlined, then please understand that it is not me who is leveling such an accusation. It's your own conscience.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #194)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 09:28 PM

212. ConservativeDemocrat I've been waiting my whole life....

.... for someone like you. Someone with such an astounding grasp of the obvious. Someone that can happily lead me into oblivion. Someone who is both vapid and superficial, yet so wonderfully two dimensional. What I'm trying to say my darling is I love you. ConservativeDemocrat will you marry me?


Carry on.

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Response to sgtbenobo (Reply #212)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 11:34 PM

260. You are most welcome

And I hope that one day you will grow up.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #194)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:34 AM

361. No, that doesn't work.

Last edited Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:53 AM - Edit history (1)

It's quite clear that your post is a series of straw men designed to irritate. You have successfully irritated a large number of people by presenting yourself as someone who wilfully misunderstands. It isn't conscience that prompts response, it is a desire to speak the truth to you.

You are aware of this. The "conscience" thing is an attitude being struck, nothing more.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:45 PM

50. Nails on a chalkboard.....

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #51)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:25 AM

275. Wrong!

Thats Bloviated Stooge.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #275)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 11:00 AM

396. Seriously Vanje.

This is a WONDERFUL opportunity our friends over at "The Peoples View" to create (if they don't already have) a chat board. Or a super duper secret chat room like (I hear) the folks DFP have. Why a lot of the posters on this very thread hang out in that one. Where they can listen to The Tombstoned Admin call DU and it's admin and posters a cesspool.

All of the posters that love this "list" could go over to those places to remove themselves from us impure and deranged troublemakers and our ideas.

It's always pretty telling. OP's like this get anywhere from 40 to in this case 77 recs. Whereas a good, well written OP from a progressive democrat on DU can garner up to 400 recs. And yeah who really cares about recs except that they are in fact an indication of how members feel about an issues.

I would suspect that this particular piece got as many recs as it did not so much for the ideas put forth but for the potential to piss off and offend lefty Democrats on this site. Heck, many posters high fived it for that and said so.

Lets face it, the posters that deride "Neo DU" hang out here because their other haunts TPV,DFP and The BOG are ghost towns.

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Response to Puglover (Reply #396)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:55 PM

530. +1

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:47 PM

52. Another hit and run from a Sensible Centrist.

How utterly predictable.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:52 PM

53. Oh good, another conservative

complaining that the Democratic party hasn't moved far enough to the right fast enough.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:53 PM

54. #16 is The Democratic Party Left Me!!!

As if a political party isn't a big tent, it was something that was supposed to cater to you.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:56 PM

57. I love the smell of right wing desperation

It tingles my senses every time.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #57)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:48 PM

246. Ironically, it has a gasoline smell.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:57 PM

59. I can see I'll need to grow another arm.

There are occasions when a double facepalm just isn't enough.

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #59)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:06 PM

63. LOL!

Nice to see you, winter is coming!

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #59)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:26 PM

125. A third arm also helps with ski boxing. nt

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Response to winter is coming (Reply #59)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:50 PM

247. Thinking about all the extra stuff I could accomplish while masturbating.

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Response to Kennah (Reply #247)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:10 PM

508. You could be posting on DU!

Waxing philosophic while you're waxing your carrot.

Not that I would accuse you of that. I was using the rhetorical "you." Yep.

The thing is, I've read many posts on DU that seem masturbatory, so maybe we're not far off

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Response to demwing (Reply #508)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:37 PM

516. Hang on a sec. I need a tissue.

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Response to Kennah (Reply #516)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:46 PM

517. So...that tissue?

It's full of all the extra stuff you just accomplished, isn't it?

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Response to demwing (Reply #517)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 07:16 PM

524. That extra stuff makes me sleepy

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:59 PM

60. #17.

Because it is fun.





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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #60)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:06 PM

116. Darth Nader

(((BREATH))) You must become a vegetarian Luke (((Breath))) or I am not your father (((Breath)))

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #60)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:25 AM

557. Eh

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 04:59 PM

61. Just another coward without the ambition or fortitude to go take his own party back.

 



I'm sure you'll be very happy with the new republican Congress.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:00 PM

62. Flamebait

Should be disappeared.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:08 PM

64. K&R

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:09 PM

65. K & R, Aye, ConserativeDemocrat, you have struck some nerves here, what is more interesting

Is how many actually came out of the woodwork with chips on their shoulders. This is a good post, sometimes it helps when truths are pointed out to those in need.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #65)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:56 PM

109. yep, this is some damn fine trolling

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Response to Enrique (Reply #109)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:01 PM

111. Does the description given by ConserativeDemocrat fit you?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #111)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:03 PM

114. i'm a real person

not a straw man

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Response to Enrique (Reply #114)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:16 PM

121. You had responded ConserativeDemocrat had 20 lies, does these describe you?

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #121)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:46 PM

179. ugh....

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #121)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:37 AM

362. So.... let me get this right...


CD posts a whole bunch of crap, people come out and point out it's crap, and that in and of itself means the shoe fits?

Oo. What a clever trick.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #362)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:12 AM

369. See Post #367. nt

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Response to sibelian (Reply #362)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:24 AM

394. You are right about it being crap again if the shoe fits then you will have to wear the shoe.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #394)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:44 AM

395. buy me a beer

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #394)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:42 PM

450. What if it doesn't fit?


Do I still have to wear it?

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Response to sibelian (Reply #450)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:46 PM

454. Doth thou protest too much?

Your response shows that the OP struck a nerve. Denial is futile! He gotcha!

<sarcasm>

Just try to deny you've been posting daily about Ralph Nader. JUST TRY!

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Response to Vanje (Reply #454)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:05 PM

488. I can't keep track of all these people I support.


I'm kind of lost.

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Response to sibelian (Reply #450)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:59 PM

461. you are showing the shoe fits, enjoy

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #461)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:06 PM

490. Not... really... sure... how...?


?

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Response to sibelian (Reply #490)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:09 PM

507. maybe a pro counter, easy to detect

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #507)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:53 AM

550. What's a pro counter?


?

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Response to sibelian (Reply #550)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:26 PM

571. maybe like a real professional counter spy, they might be watching you right now.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #571)

Tue Sep 24, 2013, 07:00 PM

591. ...


That's a little unlikely.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #114)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 03:41 PM

501. Good answer! =)

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:10 PM

67. K&R

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:14 PM

68. ...



-p

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:14 PM

69. Top 20 signs you might be trolling DU

ok, there's just 1 sign...

1. You posted this drivel:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023707888

I'm only suggesting you might be a troll because a more personal response would be viewed as a personal attack. I'd also like to say that you shouldn't bother responding ignore-boy, but hit & run cowards don't need to be reminded of that.

Shoo fly - Back to the BOG with you

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Response to demwing (Reply #69)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:20 PM

74. You mean the mutual admiration and break your arm patting yourself on the back group?

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #74)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 06:06 PM

118. Yeah, but that's a really awkward acronym

The MAABYAPYOTBG!

I think I just broke a lip...

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Response to demwing (Reply #69)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:01 AM

555. also

Didnt Rec the Sunday LoLcats.


The descriptor, "Conservative" gives a clue as well.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:16 PM

70. Foolish Yet!

Really, you are.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:17 PM

71. What a crock.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:18 PM

72. Interesting stats and a couple of glaring "tells".

"ConservativeDemocrat"=oxymoron.

Stats: joined DU 2001, 1,217 posts, 132 in last 90 days, 122 in GD last 90 days. Part of a sleeper cell or just been in a coma for 12 years?

"Tells": incorrect use of English, #8-"a argument"' ; consistently refers to DU as "the" DU. Who does that? Don't think I've ever seen that one before.



FTWIW, ConservativeDemocrat, Democrats are like cats. They can't be herded into a groupthink pen. That goes double for the democrtic wing of the Democratic Party that you so obviously disdain.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #72)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:23 PM

76. Profile is indeed interesting.

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Response to dgibby (Reply #72)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:00 PM

185. Hi dgibby!

I refer to "the DU", because DU is short for "Democratic Underground". If I said "I am part of Democratic Underground" rather than "the Democratic Underground" that would be grammatically incorrect (and also make be sound Russian). Also missing a single letter in a post (a vs an) isn't exactly unheard of, although if you'll notice, I actually missed two. The one I regret more is somehow putting in ROTL instead of ROFL.

I am a bit curious about your belief that pointing out counterproductive behaviors is "herding people into a groupthink pen". It seems pretty obvious to me that that many of the people in the DU are already in a groupthink pen, which is what I'm trying to get them out of. Let me also point out that if someone actually represents the "democratic wing" of the Democratic Party, they would likely actually support the party they say they are representing.

Oh, and just love the "sleeper cell" angle. It tickles me to death that someone actually thinks I'm a spy or something. Maybe I'm Russian!

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #185)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:01 PM

223. You said

I am a bit curious about your belief that pointing out counterproductive behaviors is "herding people into a groupthink pen".


You calling Liberal Democrats as having "counterproductive behaviors", doesn't make it so, dude.

So get off your fuckin' high horse, cuz that dog don't hunt.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #185)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:52 PM

248. Don't go russian for the door. MIRT may help you find the way.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #185)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:49 AM

326. "many of the people in the DU are already in a groupthink pen,

which is what I'm trying to get them out of."

So go fuckin' get 'em! http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1102

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Response to dgibby (Reply #72)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:52 PM

478. Indeed. nt

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:20 PM

75. well played sir.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #75)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:33 AM

285. Yes you might appreciate this divisive trash aimed at splitting the party so the REpublicans will

have an easier time. I think Tory is the word.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #285)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 01:44 PM

452. i think ppl who trash dems 24/7 do more to split the party than this OP.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #452)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 04:16 PM

510. That doesnt make sense. The OP is trashing Dems and makes a habit of it. Did you

forget that the left are Democrats. In fact the left has a greater claim on being Democrats than the Conservative Dems that push Republican ideologies. The Conservative Dems worship Gen Clapper.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #452)

Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:57 PM

562. So you don't see the irony in congratulating someone

for trashing Democrats and then commenting that people who trash Democrats split the party more than the way they were trashed on this OP?


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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:23 PM

77. Well that should end all the fuss, because scolding always works!

As someone who answers "no" to every one of your questions, I have one of my own:

Are liberals/progressives/"radical leftists"/"counterproductive left wingnuts"/etc. a part of the Democratic coalition necessary to win elections?

If the answer is "no", why should you care?

If the answer is "yes", how on earth will constant belittling improve things?


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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:26 PM

79. 21. You drive Reagan Democrat douchebags to make facile lists.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #79)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:32 PM

88. ftw

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #79)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:02 PM

151. ^this




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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #79)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:05 PM

154. Ha!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #79)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:14 PM

163. Do you see yourself in this list, William?

It sure sounds like you do. Or else you would not be so angry. See #20.

Oh, and also see #12, since you clearly have decided that I voted for Reagan, a false statement. Pulling truthiness bullshit out of your ass is supposed to be a hallmark of the Republican party, let me remind you.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #163)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 07:20 PM

170. "Conservative Democrat"

Res ipsa loquitor.

Maybe you were too young in '80 and '84.

Sad for you.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #163)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 10:17 PM

230. I don't believe you voted for Reagan

I don't think you are old enough to have voted in that election, if you had been...yeah, you would have voted for him.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #163)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 12:26 AM

276. "It sure sounds like you do. Or else you would not be so angry."

Crap logical fallacy.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #276)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:53 PM

548. But typical of right-wing asshats

RL

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #163)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 05:09 AM

367. "Or else you would not be so angry."

Using absolutist false dichotomies and entrapping fallacies is a hallmark of Republicans too. Again:

"Hey, ConservativeDemocrat, have you quit beating your wife?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question which contains a controversial or unjustified assumption ( e.g., a presumption of guilt).

Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #163)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 06:35 AM

377. Well, no, not really.


It's just as possible to be angry with an accusation because it's false as because it's true.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #79)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 10:52 PM

547. For the win!



RL

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:28 PM

82. i'm saving this one

 

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:29 PM

83. I love this list, CD!

BRAVO!

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:29 PM

84. Crap! Some of those apply, such as #17,

but most do not. Now how am I to know how to label myself!

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #84)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:40 PM

98. "Democrat"

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:30 PM

86. Spot on!

The people you describe are the best friends the GOP has right now.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:31 PM

87. A conservative democrat is not a progressive. Ciao forever. nt

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:32 PM

89. Oh my

This thread is going places.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:33 PM

90. This week two Conservative Democrats voted to defund the ACA,voted like the Republicans

they really are.

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:34 PM

91. Pile of shit post.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #91)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:45 PM

104. Short & to the point

and accurate as hell...thanks

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Original post)

Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:36 PM

92. While I don't disagree with several of these points ...