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Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:51 AM

Why are people still stupid enough to believe this "chemtrail" bullshit?

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Daubenmire: Airplane Chemtrails Are Chemical Weapons

Submitted by Kyle Mantyla on Friday, 9/20/2013 10:19 am

On today's "News With Views" program, "Coach" Dave Daubenmire announced that he agrees with President Obama that the United States must stop the use of chemical weapons.

But Daubenmire wasn't talking about the use of such weapons in Syria, but rather the use of them here at home, in the form of medicines and chemtrails.

"What about these chemtrails?" Daubenmire asked. "We can't deny anymore that that's going on, can we? We cannot deny that; that something is being sprayed over the top of us and we don't know exactly what it is or what the effects of it are, but I can promise you this: the chemicals that are being sprayed are killing people. They have to be. There has to be some type of impact. Have you ever seen so much cancer, so much autism, so many diseases that we didn't have before? Have you ever seen anything like it? Could it have something to do with chemical weapons?"

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/daubenmire-airplane-chemtrails-are-chemical-weapons

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Reply Why are people still stupid enough to believe this "chemtrail" bullshit? (Original post)
Archae Sep 2013 OP
JanMichael Sep 2013 #1
MineralMan Sep 2013 #4
JEB Sep 2013 #88
Archae Sep 2013 #89
leftstreet Sep 2013 #5
Berlum Sep 2013 #14
pintobean Sep 2013 #18
zappaman Sep 2013 #68
Precisely Sep 2013 #31
pintobean Sep 2013 #33
Precisely Sep 2013 #45
maddezmom Sep 2013 #66
pintobean Sep 2013 #98
Hekate Sep 2013 #119
SidDithers Sep 2013 #122
zappaman Sep 2013 #70
pintobean Sep 2013 #85
CreekDog Sep 2013 #92
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #96
zappaman Sep 2013 #115
nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #13
Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #21
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #53
Sheldon Cooper Sep 2013 #87
CreekDog Sep 2013 #94
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #112
SidDithers Sep 2013 #124
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #99
pintobean Sep 2013 #101
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #116
pintobean Sep 2013 #120
enki23 Sep 2013 #102
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #117
jeff47 Sep 2013 #127
zappaman Sep 2013 #71
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #100
HappyMe Sep 2013 #107
zappaman Sep 2013 #109
sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #114
Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #23
CreekDog Sep 2013 #91
Precisely Sep 2013 #2
MineralMan Sep 2013 #6
Precisely Sep 2013 #10
Dash87 Sep 2013 #36
Precisely Sep 2013 #43
Dash87 Sep 2013 #54
Precisely Sep 2013 #57
Dash87 Sep 2013 #95
snooper2 Sep 2013 #9
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #35
sibelian Sep 2013 #106
Xithras Sep 2013 #3
whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #7
laundry_queen Sep 2013 #103
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zappaman Sep 2013 #129
randome Sep 2013 #8
Precisely Sep 2013 #12
MineralMan Sep 2013 #15
petronius Sep 2013 #26
MineralMan Sep 2013 #27
Iterate Sep 2013 #39
MineralMan Sep 2013 #41
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MineralMan Sep 2013 #67
Precisely Sep 2013 #32
petronius Sep 2013 #46
Precisely Sep 2013 #55
LanternWaste Sep 2013 #97
HappyMe Sep 2013 #49
Precisely Sep 2013 #29
MineralMan Sep 2013 #44
Precisely Sep 2013 #50
Dash87 Sep 2013 #59
Precisely Sep 2013 #76
sarisataka Sep 2013 #81
Dash87 Sep 2013 #84
sarisataka Sep 2013 #86
mn9driver Sep 2013 #93
NuclearDem Sep 2013 #11
cherokeeprogressive Sep 2013 #16
Berlum Sep 2013 #17
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Precisely Sep 2013 #30
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #38
Precisely Sep 2013 #51
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #62
Precisely Sep 2013 #69
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #74
Precisely Sep 2013 #80
Icicle Sep 2013 #105
sibelian Sep 2013 #118
Donald Ian Rankin Sep 2013 #108
wandy Sep 2013 #19
procon Sep 2013 #20
Archae Sep 2013 #25
Precisely Sep 2013 #37
procon Sep 2013 #104
hughee99 Sep 2013 #22
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BKH70041 Sep 2013 #34
Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #40
TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #42
MineralMan Sep 2013 #47
Archae Sep 2013 #63
petronius Sep 2013 #72
Precisely Sep 2013 #60
Scurrilous Sep 2013 #61
sibelian Sep 2013 #111
Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #48
Precisely Sep 2013 #64
Agnosticsherbet Sep 2013 #56
maddezmom Sep 2013 #58
zappaman Sep 2013 #65
JoePhilly Sep 2013 #73
zappaman Sep 2013 #75
icymist Sep 2013 #77
ileus Sep 2013 #78
MrNJ Sep 2013 #79
ellie Sep 2013 #82
madokie Sep 2013 #83
NM_Birder Sep 2013 #90
sakabatou Sep 2013 #126
sibelian Sep 2013 #110
The Straight Story Sep 2013 #113
SidDithers Sep 2013 #121
zappaman Sep 2013 #123
azurnoir Sep 2013 #130

Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:53 AM

1. Why do you care?

About every two months, someone has to post an "I can't stand woo-ers" thread here, whether it's chemtrails, homeopathy or chiropracters....ad nauseum.

Why do you care what others believe?

These are generally not issues that affect public policies, or you personally.

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:57 AM

4. Perhaps it's because such nonsense is believed by so many.

Education is good. Of course, lumping chiropractors with homeopaths and chemtrails is kinda silly, though. Chiropractic has some benefits for some people. Homeopathy has no benefit to anyone except those who sell the magic water. Chemtrails don't even exist.

So, give the chiropractors a break, OK?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:55 PM

88. The big snake oil buy in is religion.

Much more profitable, delusional and damaging than chem-trail theories.

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Response to JEB (Reply #88)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:01 PM

89. Especially fundamentalists.

Doesn't matter what religion, fundys cause havoc where-ever they go.

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:57 AM

5. Anti-Woo Threads - LIHOP or MIHOP?



Do the Anti-Wooers plan these threads, or do they just let them happen?

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:19 PM

14. They plan them

it seems both plain & pathetic.

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Response to Berlum (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:34 PM

18. That's funny

coming from you.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #18)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:37 PM

68. !!!

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Response to Berlum (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:11 PM

31. it feeds their own denial

 

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Response to Precisely (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:15 PM

33. Denial?

Denial of what?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #33)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:23 PM

45. What's happening

 

over entire cities and major regions. When did this become "normal" and something to actively ignore or deny?

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Response to Precisely (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:36 PM

66. What is happening?

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #66)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:39 PM

98. EarlG showed that poster precisely where the door is.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #98)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:26 PM

119. Whoopsie

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Response to pintobean (Reply #98)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:52 PM

122. Awesome...nt

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Response to Precisely (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:37 PM

70. I too, must ask...

what's happening?

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Response to Precisely (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:49 PM

85. If we knew what we were denying

it would be much easier to admit to it.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #45)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:29 PM

92. What's Happening

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Response to Berlum (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:34 PM

96. It's a nice distraction from real issues, to 'worry' about what other people believe. And now

we find out that this kind of busy-body reaction to other people's beliefs is coming from our 'intel agencies'. Did you know that they now consider HALF THE POPULATION to be potential terrorists because they doubt the Official Govt 'Story' on 9/11? I guess if you spend a lot of money on 'an official story' in order to get support for a few wars, you too would be angry if half the population, and most of the rest of the world, didn't buy it.

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Response to Berlum (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:10 PM

115. Speaking of pathetic....

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:17 PM

13. There is one glaring exception to what you wrote

Anti vaxers

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:44 PM

21. I can't understand it either, but it seems to be the trademark of this poster.

At least once/week he posts something that denigrates what he, and he alone, deems to be "woo". I guess the need to boost oneself by ridiculing others is strong.

What possible earthly harm does believing in chemtrails cause anyone else? I don't understand the fixation with how others view the world. It's weird.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:29 PM

53. What harm is there?

You don't think believing in falsehoods is inherently harmful?

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:53 PM

87. No frankly, I don't.

And I don't understand why anyone else lets it bother them to the extent that this OP does. WHO THE FUCK CARES??? I will add that I fully support vaccinating children and have no respect for parents who don't immunize their kids - but that's because their beliefs can harm others. Chemtrails, crystals, pyramids, etc - who gives a fuck if someone else chooses to believe it? I don't feel the need to micromanage everyone else's thoughts. why do you?

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #87)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:31 PM

94. well then you need to change your screen name

that is way the f- out of character.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #87)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:58 PM

112. I am not attempting to control anyone's thoughts

Nor do I want that ability. But people who believe stupid things for stupid reasons deserve all the ridicule that can be heaped on them. Belief in bogeymen is a drain on resources wherever it takes hold, and in whatever form. Coddling willful idiocy certainly doesn't help anyone.

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #112)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:55 PM

124. Nailed it...

"people who believe stupid things for stupid reasons deserve all the ridicule that can be heaped on them"



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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:41 PM

99. Believing in falsehoods is harmful. To whom?

If what they believe in is false, then it shouldn't bother anyone. Frankly I know nothing about Chemtrails but the ferocity of the attacks by those who seem to care so much that some people believe whatever they believe about them, is far more interesting to me than the 'believers' themselves.

Why is it such a 'crime' to believe whatever it is they believe? Makes you wonder sometimes.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #99)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:47 PM

101. Total bullshit doesn't belong in serious discussions.

I have no problem with what people believe. When they try to get others to believe it is where the problem lies. Also, chemtrail bullshit is a specific TOS violation on DU. Precisely has been PPRed.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #101)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:11 PM

116. So why was this OP not shut down?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #116)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:34 PM

120. Why should it be?

It's not advocating a conspiracy theory. It doesn't violate the SOP of GD, or DU's TOS. If you think a jury will hide it, go ahead and alert.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #99)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:59 PM

102. Jesus, this one is obvious: because people act on what they believe.

And not always only in simple, obvious ways. Chemtrails nuttery is the belief that the government of our nation, the United States of America, is actively spraying poisons/drugs/whatever indiscriminately on its citizens in order to harm/control/whatever them.

This is every bit as nutty, and every bit as dangerous as the fucking nutbags who believe the UN is going to invade any day now. Maybe worse, because it's *directed at their own, (at least somewhat) democratically elected government*. Do they believe President Obama is okay with this? Do they think the some rogue elements of the government are actually able to pull of a *massive* conspiracy involving untold thousands of passenger jet planes somehow fitted with sprayers to spread enormous amounts of some unknown liquid chemical over the United States? (Do you have any idea what the dilution factor would be, considering the volume of air they are allegedly spraying into? What fucking magic evil are we to think they're carrying in those tanks?)

If you actually believed that, what would you do about it? How would you vote? How would you present yourself politically? How likely would you be to believe that there was a massive program to sterilize poor people through vaccinations? How likely would you be to believe that the ATF/whomever was going to grab everyone's guns sometime soon, to cement the control over the populace? How much more likely would you be to believe that the cop who pulled you over was a member of the conspiracy who read that thing you posted, and is coming to silence you?

People who believe patently bullshit stories of vast and shadowy official persecution are fucking dangerous to *someone*. If there is actually a vast, shadowy persecution, they are dangerous to the persecutors.

But there isn't. So they're dangerous to everybody fucking else.

And probably the main damage they do, the main danger they pose, is to convince other susceptible people that their crazy bullshit is real. And groups of people can actually get shit done, for both better and worse. When the stuff they get done is based on crazy bullshit, then crazy bullshit is what they'll get done. None of this is in any way controversial or hard to understand.

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Response to enki23 (Reply #102)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:21 PM

117. But look up, in the sky, with your own eyes!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #99)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 05:08 PM

127. To all of us.

Because when enough people believe, it affects all of us.

If you'd like some examples, measles is back from extinction. Deaths from whooping cough are way up. Dr Tiller is dead. And the Republicans are about to shut down the government over their sacred falsehoods.

But hey, what does it matter that people believe in a few dumb falsehoods?

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:38 PM

71. Yes, what harm is there in rejecting science and believing in bullshit? n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #71)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:45 PM

100. And what business is it of anyone what other people choose to waste their time on?

Far more spooky to me than what people choose to believe is the Thought Police this country seems to be populated with who are trying to control now what people THINK!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #100)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:45 PM

107. Isn't that kind of what you are doing?

Telling people it's a distraction and we shouldn't think about this? That we shouldn't think that chemtrails are bullshit? Isn't that kind of 'Thought Police'?

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #107)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:49 PM

109. Of course it is.

At least this time, she didn't accuse of us of not being Democrats....

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #107)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:04 PM

114. No!

I don't care what other people believe unless they are in a position to put those beliefs into action. I never heard of Chemtrails before DU. So if you don't want people to be 'influenced' by someone else's nutty belief, the best way to ensure they won't be is not to spread it around yourself.

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:47 PM

23. China is cleaning up their coal plants....

Let's see if "chemtrail" sightings become more common....

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Response to JanMichael (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:28 PM

91. when people believe BS nonsense it affects all of our lives negatively

so yes, that's why i care.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:55 AM

2. Because they look up

 

and witness them.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:58 AM

6. Ooga Booga! Vapor trails from aircraft.

I've witnessed many of those.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:13 PM

10. OOga Booga!

 

People intimidated into not believing their own eyes.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:17 PM

36. How can you see a "chemtrail?" Just curious.

I've seen many supposed videos of them, and they're invariably videos of contrails or cloud formations.

Real evidence would consist of studying the make up of supposed "chemtrails" through the scientific method, or having a definitive idea of what a real chemtrail looks like (which is impossible, considering they aren't real).

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:21 PM

43. "which is impossible, considering they aren't real"

 

you're not looking objectively, you're seeing what you already believe. Pretty unscientific.

How do "contrails" expand instead of dissipate? How do they turn a clear sky hazy? How do they become these "cloud formations"?

If you aren't observing what actually happens, it supports your belief. Don't believe, see for yourself.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #43)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:29 PM

54. Because the burden of proof lies on the claims of Chemtrails.

Without proof, they don't exist. I'm open to proof of Chemtrails, so I will rescind my statement that they're "impossible." However, there's no proof of Chemtrails.

The "hazy" thing happens because weather systems are moving, and as a result clouds behind the supposed "chemtrail" formations can turn a nice day cloudy.

As for "see for yourself," there is no proof to see. All I see are contrails and clouds. It's possible that Chemtrails could look like both of these, but just looking at something in the sky and calling it a "chemtrail" is not scientific proof.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #54)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:32 PM

57. Don't know what claims you mean

 

People who witness this may not "claim" to know what it is. I don't. But you aren't observing it. You are assuming "because weather systems are moving, and as a result clouds behind the supposed "chemtrail" formations can turn a nice day cloudy" aka talking out your ass. If you see this in your area or talk to someone familiar with local weather and flight patterns, then you have an informed take.

"just looking at something in the sky and calling it a "chemtrail" is not scientific proof." That's not it at all.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #57)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:33 PM

95. It's common sense.

Weather systems and clouds move, and therefore weather changes. How is that proof of Chemtrails? The "they cause hazy days!" thing is total bunk.

Also, contrails and cloud formations are scientific facts. Chemtrails - not so much.

As for your last paragraph, what other proof has there been on chemtrails?

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Response to Precisely (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:10 PM

9. You know, you don't have to sit there and take it!!!

You can FIGHT BACK against CHEMTRAILS!

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Needed materials/

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INSTRUCTIONS: Wrap around some gold foil at the base of crystal. Then wrap around some silver wire on it. Then wrap some Coper wire,then Metal,then aliminum. As simple as that !


I saw a video about chembusters and how to make them months ago. But unfortunatly the process of making a chembuster using resin combined with crystals and other materials ,didnt sound that easy for me. I have heard that Resine is TOXIC and one must be causious how to use it. It was'nt long time ago,probably about 2 months ago when I discovered this video called :

After watching this video I was inspired to do something about chemtrails.
I give it a thought and using the idea and objectives retained from that video ,helped me to come up with idea of my own.
What you need is CRYSTAL combined with Gold+silver,coper,Metal,aliminum!
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Then the MIRACLE started to happen.....
Please looka t the video and see if for yourself.

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As we have documented separately, exposure to sulphur has been linked with the following health effects.

- Neurological effects and behavioral changes
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- Suffocation and lung embolism

After studying water quality samples for the state of California stretching back some 30 years, Peterson found that starting from 1990, water sources were all registering unusual spikes in certain chemicals at precisely the same time, namely arsenic, barium, aluminum, calcium, manganese, magnesium, lead and iron. By measuring the spikes in these chemicals in the water supply with similar spikes in these chemicals in air quality samples, Peterson was able to conclude that the cause was airborne and that it had to be coming from the atmosphere. Peterson notes that mixing aluminum and barium creates clouds and that NASA experiments based around this concept were coinciding with the spikes in such chemicals measured in water and air quality samples.
Info.wars.com

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:16 PM

35. LOL!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:45 PM

106. I know it's supposed to be funny


but it actually just makes me feel ill...

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:57 AM

3. I could quote PT Barnum or cite the number of Republican voters...

...but I suspect that your question was rhetorical

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 11:59 AM

7. If conspiracy threads belong in CS, 'conspiracy bitching' threads do too

waste.of.time

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:02 PM

103. ^^^^ THIS! nt

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:58 PM

125. Nope...

but nice try.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #125)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 05:11 PM

128. It's déjà vu all over again.

I wish we could link to Meta threads. Those were classic.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #125)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 05:12 PM

129. Whaaaaa!

People are poking fun at the stupid fucking shit I believe in even though science explains it!

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:03 PM

8. Maybe it's because their brains have been addled by...CHEMTRAILS!

"The tides come in, the tides go out. You can't explain that!"



Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.

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Response to randome (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:14 PM

12. yep. just the usual

 

flight patterns

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Response to Precisely (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:19 PM

15. Exactly. The usual flight patterns.

Near an airport. Odd, huh?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:04 PM

26. You sure are desperate to deny what's right in front of your eyes

Apply some logic for a moment:

Airports are points.
The shortest distance two points is a straight line.
Ergo, airplanes will fly in straight lines.

If airplanes do not fly in straight lines, there must be a reason.
Since the only proper/innocent behavior is straight-line A to B (as demonstrated above), the reason for any deviation must be nefarious.
Chemtrails are nefarious.
The only logical explanation for curved paths, therefore, is that the airplanes behaving nefariously are dumping chemtrails on people below.

Q. E. eff'n D.




( <--- I'm 99.99% sure that isn't necessary, but just in case...)

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Response to petronius (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:06 PM

27. Sheesh! I never thought of that.

Straight lines. Got it!

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:19 PM

39. It's the game they play,

but can never quite win.

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Response to Iterate (Reply #39)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:20 PM

41. X in the top left square.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #41)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:28 PM

52. I'll fill in the rest, may I?

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Response to Iterate (Reply #52)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:36 PM

67. LOL!

Hugs and kisses in the sky! I feel threatened now, for sure!

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Response to petronius (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:13 PM

32. Curved paths

 

Waffle patterns, circular paths. Maybe these people never go outside.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:24 PM

46. Sometimes they're even discontinuous - starting at one spot and stopping

after a short segment. I'd sure like to hear physics and meteorology explain that one...

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Response to petronius (Reply #46)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:29 PM

55. Yep

 

Lots of weird shit that is totally blatant -- supported by the denial of a cowed public.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #55)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:38 PM

97. I too used to called people who disagreed with my unsupported premises, "cowed public".

"denial of a cowed public...."

I too used to called people who disagreed with my unsupported premises a "cowed public". But, after third grade I realized the petulance and self-serving validation it illustrated in me and stopped-- because adults aren't supposed to act like children.

Good luck, third grade is hard (fourth is a LOT easier though)!

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Response to petronius (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:25 PM

49. Well, that's it then.




They aren't supposed to turn, change altitude and there isn't any wind up there to blow the exhaust around.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:08 PM

29. So you can't see the picture?

 

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Response to Precisely (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:22 PM

44. Oh, I see the picture just fine.

I also fly on airliners. Don't you?

I live near an airport, too. In fact, my house is right under a holding area for MSP flights. Depending on weather conditions, I see similar stuff from time to time right over my house.

I see very clearly, and it all makes perfect sense to me. Anything else makes nonsense.

Thanks for your attention.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #44)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:26 PM

50. If you are familiar

 

with flight patterns and contrails in your area, you are able to notice discrepancies that don't make sense.

Or not.

And you're old enough to know that whatever these weird patterns are, they are a recent addition to the skies.

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #59)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:42 PM

76. Interesting

 

So if we see something over our town that looks like the Battle of Britain, we might wonder wtf?

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #59)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:43 PM

81. Holy crap!!!

the blitz was a chemical attack!!!!

damn nazis

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #81)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:49 PM

84. It's worse than we thought! Hitler's still alive and attacking us every day!

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #84)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:51 PM

86. I knew that sonofabich got out of Berlin!

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Response to randome (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:30 PM

93. Your photo shows a holding pattern in a crosswind.

The aircraft racetracks over the same ground track, the air moves due to wind, the contrail overlaps in exactly this way.

A perfect example of something ordinary that becomes "evidence" for someone's conspiracy theory because they don't understand what they are looking at.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:14 PM

11. I don't know why people are complaining about it.

I for one welcome the nanobots being sprayed over my house by the planes landing at Indianapolis International.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:21 PM

16. Well, I'm guessing those trails aren't pure water vapor.

So technically...

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:29 PM

17. Technically, you are having a "Forbidden Thought"

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:51 PM

24. Water is a chemical.

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:10 PM

30. Water doesn't expand

 

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Response to Precisely (Reply #30)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:19 PM

38. Tell that to *water vapor*...

...or ice.

You can even do an experiment for yourself if you believe in science.

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:27 PM

51. Water vapor dissipates

 

Contrails dissipate. Whatever these are, EXPAND. And spread. And create haze. In a clear sky.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #51)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:34 PM

62. Get yourself a spray bottle

Go outside on a day that's well below zero (you know, cold like where planes fly). Spray a fine mist into the cold air. What does it do as it dissipates? Looks an awful lot like expansion.

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #62)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:37 PM

69. Look up

 

Watch a jetliner fly by. Watch the trail dissipate.

Watch the trails that don't dissipate. What is that?

You may not see the plane. Big lines in the sky. Not clouds. Check it out for yourself.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #69)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:41 PM

74. There's this invisible influence...

...called wind. Sometimes it's there, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's weak, sometimes it's strong.

Funny you'd ignore the influence of wind...seems it'd be much easier to make up absolute horseshit beliefs about something invisible.

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Response to TroglodyteScholar (Reply #74)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:43 PM

80. I don't deny

 

your disbelief or lack of attention.

I don't deny what I notice in my area. Including wind.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #51)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:29 PM

105. So here's what you need to do....

Fill a glass bottle with room-temperature water, up to the top. Cap it tightly. Put it in your freezer. Wait and see what happens.
Engine exhaust is rather hot. Air at altitude is not. The difference in temperature creates condensation. Condensation is water. Water, like just about any other substance, expands or contracts when it changes temperature.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #51)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:23 PM

118. It's not water vapour. It's clouds.


Clouds are what happens when water vapour condenses into a white mist of tiny water droplets. Water vapour is entirely transparent. Clouds aren't.

Clouds expand through Brownian motion when their starting density is unusually high through having been formed at high speed from a smallish nozzle, like an aircraft jet.

Kind of like dry ice machines. You'll notice that the white misty stuff coming out of dry ice machines expands, but remains white and misty? That's water vapour condensed into a mist of tiny droplets, in a cloud, expanding to fill the available space, through Brownian motion, having been formed through a sudden drop in temperature via the release of a lot of cold carbond dioxide gas.

What do you mean "contrails dissipate"? It depends on the air temperature that the contrail finds itself in. If the air is cold, the droplets do not evaporate as there isn't enough available energy to cause such evaporation. If the air is warm, the clouds evaporate back into water vapour.

This is all very simple thermodynamics.

Didn't you think to go and check up on some simple thermodynamics before you started telling everybody about thermodynamics? Because the behaviour of vapour systems is governed by thermodynamics. And you obviously know absolutely nothing whatsoever about any of it.

I do know about it, because I've studied thermodynamics.

You may take it from me that there is absolutely nothing untoward or peculiar about the observable behaviour of the water vapour coming out of aircraft jets. You are seeing clouds, formed rapidly by the stream of water vapour particles cooling down at high speed and condensing into tiny water droplets, in conditions favourable to such behaviour. In conditions not favourable to such behaviour, i.e. warm air, it doesn't happen. Rather, the water vapour remains vapour. That's it.

There is something else that I think you should know. Even if the stuff coming out the back of aircraft jets really was some creepy chemical rather than water vapour, known physics does not describe any mechanism whereby this chemical could, in it's vapourised or atomised state, behave in any way that is dissimilar to a different cloud of something different, like, say, water vapour. Even if it were a heavier gas than water vapour (which would most likely make it visibly sink rather than float in the air) it would still have to obey the same ordinary laws of physics as every other vapourised or atomised chemical and would expand at pretty much the same rate as anything else through Brownian motion. There is no known attractive force between particles of any chemical that lend an increased "clumpiness" in comparison with other chemicals, over the scales that you would need to be proposing in order to differentiate the behaviour of your theoretical substance from, say, water vapour.

There is no chemical that ever could be "clumpier" than any other in a vapourised state. There are some that are slightly heavier, and some that "expand" slightly more slowly than others but none that have the special power of remaining clumpy in conditions where any other ordinary vapourised substance would dissipate entirely because that's not how vapours or clouds behave. That phenomenon would require a fifth force. (If you have discovered a fifth force, you need to tell some physicists. They'll be pleased.)

What do you mean they cause hazy days? How do you know the day wasn't going to be hazy anyway?

How do you explain "chemtrails" in clear blue skies, that are clearly not causing hazy days, which phenomenon I have observed quite frequently?

What are you talking about?

Why am I wasting my time on this complete nonsense?

Why are YOU wasting YOUR time on this complete nonsense?

Isn't there something important in your life? Something special and meaningful that makes you feel that your existence matters? Something beautful? Something serious? Something truthful?

Anything?

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Response to Precisely (Reply #30)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:46 PM

108. Go boil a kettle and then tell me that. N.T.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:40 PM

19. Simple way to deal with this. Unkle Jacks Chemtrail remover......

Necessary ingredients.
1 Clean glass.
1 fifth Jack Daniels Tennessee whiskey.

On days of "heavy" spraying, use the following procedure by going to the affected area and..

Pour three fingers of Jack Daniels into clean glass.
Note: do not dilute. The remover should not be mixed with ice or water and is far too expensive to be used as an aerosol.
Take internally.
Repeat procedure until one of the desired effects occur.

1. It becomes too dark to notice the chemtrails.
2. You're interest is suddenly dedicated to an interesting bug.
3. You realize its only water vapor and begin to enjoy the cloud patterns.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:43 PM

20. My dad was sure convinced...

A lifelong Republican -- sigh -- is that enough to explain all the crazy stuff he believed in his later years? He was a pilot in WWII, then a professional pilot for another 40 years, and he even owned a crop dusting company, so he knew better, but he still fell for every crazy chemtrail conspiracy theory that popped up.

After watching my dad slowly succumb to all these ridiculous stories, I think he believed these wacko conspiracy theories in part due to brainwashing after the constant deluge of interlinked schlock pouring out of rightwing media. At the end of his life, it made him paranoid and suspicious and afraid of normal, everyday things. At least in my poor dad's case, I saw it as symptomatic of some underlying mental health problem that eventually affected his overall health and precipitated his demise.

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Response to procon (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:54 PM

25. It sure was unfortunate for your Dad.

This is what woo does.

It turns normally rational people into paranoids, and suckers.
Suckers who buy "medical" or political bullshit.

Why else does the Tea Party still exist?

Why is Rush the Fathead still on the air?

Why does Faux "news" still get high ratings?
Even for the bottom of that sewer, "Fox And Friends."

This guy "Coach" Daubenmire has a lot of videos on his "news" show on Youtube, nearly all of them yelling and screaming about all the bad stuff "the liberals" are doing.

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Response to procon (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:18 PM

37. He probably was familiar

 

with the flight patterns in his area and noticed the squirrelly shit going on above his home. Retired, he had time to notice. And wonder why "contrails" were expanding and changing the sky from clear to hazy or appearing in weird patterns ...

A lot of people don't look up. Or are afraid to. GPS generation doesn't know their North from West.

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Response to Precisely (Reply #37)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:05 PM

104. But he still knew the science

and he would tell us in great detail that contrails were just streams of condensation from jet engines that could freeze into ice crystals when the atmospheric conditions were right, gradually warping into cloud formations.

Yet, despite all his knowledge and experience, in the next sentence he'd deny everything he ever knew and expound on the latest "chemtrails" conspiracy theory and the assorted evil minions that were out to get him.

It was very frustrating and sad for all of us siblings because no argument to intellect, reason or logic could penetrate all the fanatical nonsense he came to accept as his new "facts" du jour.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:45 PM

22. It's because of the chemicals "they" put in the air. n/t

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:07 PM

28. I had a person explain to me that those streaks in the sky were chemtrails

and not aircraft exhaust vapor (you know, where the engines burn fuel and the result is heat, CO2 and Water?) Now it's true, I suppose that some evil government plotter could put additional chemicals in the fuel, but you see, somebody would notice due to additional unexpected fuel consumption or lack of take-off power.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:16 PM

34. I had someone many moons ago tell me...

... that a Military General he knew informed him the government was spraying "Apathy Gas" in the atmosphere in order to ensure the American population stayed calm and would be complacent.

To which I replied "Yeah, but who cares."

True story.

(Don't make me have to explain this.)

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:20 PM

40. lol...nt

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:20 PM

42. AWESOME!

The thread can end happily now

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:25 PM

47. Apathy Gas.....

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #47)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:35 PM

63. Joss Whedon used "chemtrail" stories in "Firefly..."

For his storyline about the creation of the "Reavers."

Too bad some people still haven't quite understood, "chemtrails" are pure fiction.
Nothing more.

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Response to Archae (Reply #63)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:39 PM

72. 'Firefly' was mostly fiction, but I think the part about Miranda is actually true

It's just been covered up ever since. Why do you think we never went back to Mars?

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:34 PM

60. Seems to work

 

Which is crazier: noticing bizarre unusual patterns in the sky or ignoring it?

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:34 PM

61. Apathy Gas = Television

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Response to BKH70041 (Reply #34)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:51 PM

111. You are so cruel and evil.


I like you.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:25 PM

48. What is rarely discussed is that contrails create weather.

Documented in the days after 911, when no planes were allowed to fly, were changes to what we consider normal weather patterns.

Contrails reduce daily temperature range
http://facstaff.uww.edu/travisd/pdf/jetcontrailsrecentresearch.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

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Response to Jesus Malverde (Reply #48)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:35 PM

64. Yes

 

They create clouds where there were none.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:30 PM

56. Dude's Crazier than a shit house rat. n/t

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #56)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:33 PM

58. Yup a quick google show he has bought into a lot of nutty things and he is a homophobe to boot.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:36 PM

65. Why?

Beats me how someone could be so fucking stupid, but they exist.
Unfortunately, we have too many DUers who believe in this crap, but have to now tow the line since admitting belief is an instant pizza.

Fun to watch them dance around it though.
I particularly like to be told I'm "sleeping" if I call them what they are...contrails.

I'm sure our believers in this horseshit have alerted on your post too.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:40 PM

73. Perhaps its IOCANE powder ... ever think of THAT????

And clearly TPTB (The Powers That Be) have spent the last few years developing an immunity to Iocane powder.

Naturally, they pass that immunity on to their children.

And that's why you can spray it everywhere and not accidentally kill TPTB and their offspring.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:41 PM

75. well...

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:42 PM

77. This whole thread is a waste of time.

People arguing with other people about a subject that both sides won't budge is a waste of time and a distraction from what is really going on in the country.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:43 PM

78. LOOK UP! They're spraying us hard today.

LOL people eat shit like that up completely.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:43 PM

79. Airplane exhaust is water vapor and CO2

Water is a chemical weapon.
If you are the wicked witch of the east.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:44 PM

82. My mom was telling me about chemtrails the other day

I told her it is vapor from airplanes, which I have witnessed myself while flying in said airplanes. She listens to George Noory when she can't sleep.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:47 PM

83. I look out my window and see the house of one of those who believes this shit

I've tried to explain to him why some days they don't leave a chemtrail and even shown him a demonstration of why that is but to all my efforts he still believes the government is spraying some shit on us. A while back I found out that he also listens to Alex Jones so that is where that comes from. He and I are tinkerers in kind so we have a lot in common except the conspiracy and fundy shit

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 02:11 PM

90. This is almost as stupid as "rapture pet insurance"................



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Response to NM_Birder (Reply #90)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:58 PM

126. That was a hilarious joke to poke at rapture people

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 03:49 PM

110. Like any other conspiracy theory, it can never be disproved.

So the hobbyists can keep piling up random garbage and calling it "evidence" for as long as they like. It's nice for some people to feel clever without actually doing anything clever. Particularly people who don't quite know how they feel about the universally inescapable fact that no matter how smart you are there's always someone else somewhere else who's a little bit smarter than you. Makes some people feel a bit small.

Unless you're Steven Hawking. But then again he has his own problems.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:01 PM

113. Now we have moved them to down here with e-cigs

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:51 PM

121. Best DU chemtrail thread ever...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002128567

Amazingly enough, the person banned in that thread, for chemtrail crazy talk, is back under a new name, and is and posting in this very thread.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #121)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:53 PM

123. Oh, I miss SpiralHawk....

As you can see from that thread, they were one of DU's finest!

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Fri Sep 20, 2013, 05:14 PM

130. sorry locking

GD SoP

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1002

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