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Human Kindness... (Original Post) one_voice Dec 2011 OP
Cruelness is often a symptom of fear and weakness. drm604 Dec 2011 #1
Not often, always. Edim Dec 2011 #11
Of course. drm604 Dec 2011 #15
Single Issue Shit induces Cruelty....sometimes fatally opihimoimoi Dec 2011 #2
great quote barbtries Dec 2011 #3
Well, my knee jerk to the OP title is... what an oxymoron. Lionessa Dec 2011 #4
i disagree respectfully. i believe it to be our human condition when fascists aren't roguevalley Dec 2011 #5
Then perhaps your knowledge of history around the world and through the eons isn't too keen. Lionessa Dec 2011 #6
Those are two different things... CJCRANE Dec 2011 #7
I think we actually are agreeing, just seemingly in a disagreeable way. Lionessa Dec 2011 #8
I think we're disagreeing in an agreeable way... CJCRANE Dec 2011 #10
IMO, most uprisings of any size have a very limited minority Lionessa Dec 2011 #13
k&r... spanone Dec 2011 #9
Do we still have to be cruel to be kind? hfojvt Dec 2011 #12
Beat them until morale improves lunatica Dec 2011 #14
Lmfao. n/t MedicalAdmin Dec 2011 #18
Excellent. K&R Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #16
K & R wakemewhenitsover Dec 2011 #17

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
3. great quote
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 02:28 PM
Dec 2011

should find a way to get it in front of low information republicans who seem to believe that cruelty is an american virtue.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
4. Well, my knee jerk to the OP title is... what an oxymoron.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 02:36 PM
Dec 2011

Humans aren't kind unless they see something in it for themselves, imo.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
5. i disagree respectfully. i believe it to be our human condition when fascists aren't
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 02:50 PM
Dec 2011

Standing on our necks. We would have died out long ago without it.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
6. Then perhaps your knowledge of history around the world and through the eons isn't too keen.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:19 PM
Dec 2011

Very few places or societies can claim any long term kindness, and the few that perhaps were provably socially kind, are pretty much short lived over run by those that aren't.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
7. Those are two different things...
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:37 PM
Dec 2011

kindness within societies and kindness between societies.

In fact there's a book about research on human violence called "Atrocitology" which claims that humanity is getting less warlike.

On edit: in fact I'm sure there are plenty of examples of cruel and barbaric societies which didn't survive if we look through history. Also there are other factors involved which lead to the collapse of civilizations, things like climate, food supply etc

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
8. I think we actually are agreeing, just seemingly in a disagreeable way.
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:47 PM
Dec 2011

What I'm saying is that kindness both within and between a community(ies), is not a historical situation. It is a hope for the future. Since is it yet to be an accuracy, I find "human kindness" to be an oxymoron, for now. Hope for change, but not likely in my life time as the tides seem to be in the ebb at the moment, and I won't likely live long enough to see the flow.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
10. I think we're disagreeing in an agreeable way...
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:56 PM
Dec 2011

I see human kindness as the default instinct as we see in all these global uprisings where people join together to fight for each other's rights. People are sacrificing their lives for strangers and people they will never meet.

The unkind are the minority IMO, although they are a powerful minority.

 

Lionessa

(3,894 posts)
13. IMO, most uprisings of any size have a very limited minority
Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:18 PM
Dec 2011

of un-affected persons. Most involved in up-risings are fighting for themselves as much as their friends, family, and neighbors, because of the lot being in the same boat. I'm thinking of the "first they came for the ______, but that wasn't me, so I did nothing; then they came for __________, and that wasn't me so I did nothing, ..... by the time they came for me there was no one left to care."

And yes, that's a very poor paraphrase, but hopefully it reminds of the one I'm thinking of.

That's what I see as the over-riding human condition, human instinct; not kindness, not yet anyway.

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