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WillyT

(72,631 posts)
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 05:44 PM Sep 2013

O... M... G...

Inside the mind of NSA chief Gen Keith Alexander
A lavish Star Trek room he had built as part of his 'Information Dominance Center' is endlessly revealing

Glenn Greenwald - theguardian.com
Sunday 15 September 2013 08.14 EDT



<snip>

It has been previously reported that the mentality of NSA chief Gen. Keith Alexander is captured by his motto "Collect it All". It's a get-everything approach he pioneered first when aimed at an enemy population in the middle of a war zone in Iraq, one he has now imported onto US soil, aimed at the domestic population and everyone else.

But a perhaps even more disturbing and revealing vignette into the spy chief's mind comes from a new Foreign Policy article describing what the journal calls his "all-out, barely-legal drive to build the ultimate spy machine". The article describes how even his NSA peers see him as a "cowboy" willing to play fast and loose with legal limits in order to construct a system of ubiquitous surveillance. But the personality driving all of this - not just Alexander's but much of Washington's - is perhaps best captured by this one passage, highlighted by PBS' News Hour in a post entitled: "NSA director modeled war room after Star Trek's Enterprise". The room was christened as part of the "Information Dominance Center":

"When he was running the Army's Intelligence and Security Command, Alexander brought many of his future allies down to Fort Belvoir for a tour of his base of operations, a facility known as the Information Dominance Center. It had been designed by a Hollywood set designer to mimic the bridge of the starship Enterprise from Star Trek, complete with chrome panels, computer stations, a huge TV monitor on the forward wall, and doors that made a 'whoosh' sound when they slid open and closed. Lawmakers and other important officials took turns sitting in a leather 'captain's chair' in the center of the room and watched as Alexander, a lover of science-fiction movies, showed off his data tools on the big screen.

"'Everybody wanted to sit in the chair at least once to pretend he was Jean-Luc Picard,' says a retired officer in charge of VIP visits."


Numerous commentators remarked yesterday on the meaning of all that (note, too, how "Total Information Awareness" was a major scandal in the Bush years, but "Information Dominance Center" - along with things like "Boundless Informant" - are treated as benign or even noble programs in the age of Obama).

But now, on the website of DBI Architects, Inc. of Washington and Reston, Virginia, there are what purports to be photographs of the actual Star-Trek-like headquarters commissioned by Gen. Alexander that so impressed his Congressional overseers. It's a 10,740 square foot labyrinth in Fort Belvoir, Virginia. The brochure touts how "the prominently positioned chair provides the commanding officer an uninterrupted field of vision to a 22'-0" wide projection screen".

<snip>

More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/15/nsa-mind-keith-alexander-star-trek








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O... M... G... (Original Post) WillyT Sep 2013 OP
Jean-Luc Picard would never sit in THAT chair. arcane1 Sep 2013 #1
True. The Federation is as far removed in policy from the NSA Cleita Sep 2013 #4
You obviously have never heard of Section 31. PragmaticLiberal Sep 2013 #15
Supposedly it works outside the govt. and Star Fleet command. Cleita Sep 2013 #22
Good point. PragmaticLiberal Sep 2013 #43
Well, the Federation was about gathering information Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #139
Really? You got that from Star Trek? Cleita Sep 2013 #140
Yep, I got that from (the original) Star Trek Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #141
Yep. He missed the whole point. n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #5
Maybe It's Time For An Adult Female In That Job... WillyT Sep 2013 #8
I'd settle for a real adult. RC Sep 2013 #63
Condi Rice? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #129
+1000 Liberal_in_LA Sep 2013 #25
Nor would an honourable Klingon Warrior DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #32
dang you're right! Riverman100 Sep 2013 #49
lots and lots RC Sep 2013 #66
I am a near-lifelong Trekker DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #105
From the TNG episdode "The Hunted" Maedhros Sep 2013 #51
The Roca Danar character from that episode had the COOLEST. HAIR. EVER. TheDebbieDee Sep 2013 #77
It's Roga Danar and here is his picture. TexasTowelie Sep 2013 #79
Here's one. n/t Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #81
Who decided that making a megalomaniacal whack job head of the NSA was a good idea? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #2
Megalomaniac is right. Th1onein Sep 2013 #13
He's Rumsfeld's protoge. nt grasswire Sep 2013 #60
Well, that explains it. truebluegreen Sep 2013 #64
Why, it had to be Dick Cheney. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #87
My guess is that it's the Carlyle Group. Who do you think put him in power? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #127
Even I, not a big Obama fan, didn't think for a moment truebluegreen Sep 2013 #131
Hah! I *TOLD* you all! Pholus Sep 2013 #3
"needless crap"? You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding! 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #62
I can just see the sales presentation... Pholus Sep 2013 #68
This character comes to mind for some reason 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #73
This is absolutely needed! didact Sep 2013 #110
Lol.. That movie still cracks me up! glowing Sep 2013 #117
Whatever are you saying? Are you trying to tell us truedelphi Sep 2013 #123
Yikes! gopiscrap Sep 2013 #6
Gee, I wonder who paid for it. xfundy Sep 2013 #7
great minds think alike barbtries Sep 2013 #10
Several thousand teachers, particularly. Marr Sep 2013 #55
And kill people Hydra Sep 2013 #109
paid for by... barbtries Sep 2013 #9
I just have to echo your O.M.G.!! Unbelievable. riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #11
What? No cone of silence? L0oniX Sep 2013 #12
No, Loonix. Plenty of agents around, though, to look through your gmails. Th1onein Sep 2013 #14
I'm betting that man has a real complex. Autumn Sep 2013 #16
LOL !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #17
Alexander seems Too Good to Be True! He captured a Young President with "Star Wars!" KoKo Sep 2013 #18
Exactly !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #19
Wow,,,,, Government Agancy builds new HQ Cryptoad Sep 2013 #20
Why is it Caretha Sep 2013 #26
Truth burrs the ass of Many!,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #30
Since I have your permisssion Caretha Sep 2013 #36
Thank you Cryptoad Sep 2013 #42
Mine does the same. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #88
Be careful. I think that one's the kind that secretes poison. LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #91
Hey Obviousman hootinholler Sep 2013 #31
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #40
> morningfog Sep 2013 #67
PLUS A BRAZILLION! nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #89
We probably need to blue links and WooWoo to explain how this is great Doctor_J Sep 2013 #99
Love the post - but hueymahl Sep 2013 #115
Funny, I Read the Same Rant over at Cryptoad Sep 2013 #122
20 some hours later and that's all ya got? hootinholler Sep 2013 #135
I bet yoiu did! Cryptoad Sep 2013 #137
red state was complaining about meals on wheels cuts? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #136
Probably many things,,,,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #138
Can you point me to any other govt office with a captains chair riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #35
My feelings are the money would have been Much better spent in hiring federal employees adirondacker Sep 2013 #52
Some libraries somewhere? truedelphi Sep 2013 #125
Yes! The list is endless at present. Instead we're given more privitazation of Public interests adirondacker Sep 2013 #126
With railings! sibelian Sep 2013 #116
wow Chaco Dundee Sep 2013 #21
ROFL Oilwellian Sep 2013 #39
What is it they say? Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2013 #23
I'm going to have to steal that line! Silent3 Sep 2013 #58
Perfect for a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #24
It's insane Oilwellian Sep 2013 #29
The document you link to says 1999 build date. hootinholler Sep 2013 #38
I think so Oilwellian Sep 2013 #41
It seems like it is the HQ of the command he had at the time hootinholler Sep 2013 #45
Ah, indeed Oilwellian Sep 2013 #54
Could just be a reflection of a light on a non-flat surface. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #57
And it comes with choice of musical openings! DeSwiss Sep 2013 #27
Screw a bunch of food stamps and day care centers . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #28
I keep re-reading this, thinking it's going to turn out to be a joke. Marr Sep 2013 #33
Word !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #44
Precisely. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #90
It's more like the parallel "Mirror Mirror" universe DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #34
Wonder if he went for it and had an agony booth built sarge43 Sep 2013 #47
"Your agoniser, PLEASE!" n/t DissidentVoice Sep 2013 #106
Photo of the outside of the complex here JBoy Sep 2013 #37
Set phasers on "defund," Mr. Spock... nt Buns_of_Fire Sep 2013 #46
ROFLMAO !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #48
Unfortunately, the budget has a cloaking device. nt Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #53
lol pa28 Sep 2013 #56
Hmmm... "Completion: July 1999" JHB Sep 2013 #50
1999? Why is this a story 14 years later? anneboleyn Sep 2013 #75
Because actual reasons for opposing Alexander are dull and detailed. Easier to get page hits... JHB Sep 2013 #94
Yes it's an Information command HQ hootinholler Sep 2013 #104
No handwave at all. That's EXACTLY what it's for. JHB Sep 2013 #108
Well I'm glad we agree that it's a felatio station hootinholler Sep 2013 #111
Once again, Alexander is Rumsfeld's protege LondonReign2 Sep 2013 #59
LOL !!! - We Are Such Nerds Here !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #61
Sorry, but this isn't registering on my Outrageometer at all. DRoseDARs Sep 2013 #65
You said it perfectly. randome Sep 2013 #69
Yeah... And Junior Air Marshall Alexander Can Use His Decoder Ring To Get Dates.. WillyT Sep 2013 #71
The design of that room is symptomatic of the problems of the NSA that Snowden exposed. RC Sep 2013 #72
Snowden, I'm afraid, was part of the problem. nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #120
Snowden exposed the problems RC Sep 2013 #121
Snowden didn't expose SHIT. This stuff covering the NSA was available years ago. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #124
The why didn't anyone know about the excesses and unconstitutional spying the NSA was doing? RC Sep 2013 #130
Because nobody in the media bothered to talk about it much, when Bush was in office. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #132
What ever... RC Sep 2013 #133
".....so as to not be put in prison and possibly tortured as Manning was." Bullshit. AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #134
I know this one!!! We slipped into a parallel universe felix_numinous Sep 2013 #70
At least we know where those IRS videos were filmed now... Pholus Sep 2013 #74
What does Alexander need to do to lose his job? MannyGoldstein Sep 2013 #76
First you must understand who he is accountable to. It isnt to the President. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #128
Think of what NASA might have been able to do with all that money. nt Jasana Sep 2013 #78
NASA's had one of these for years before Star Trek existed JHB Sep 2013 #93
Wouldn't a nice room with padded walls be more apropos for this guy? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #80
why haven't we seen the comics mocking this screwball? grasswire Sep 2013 #82
Here's the view from behind the "Captain's Chair" toward the main screen... hunter Sep 2013 #83
This looks so much like the lab in Dr. Strangelove. Too bad George C. Scott isn't around Doctor_J Sep 2013 #100
Look at all that money they shit down the tubes. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #112
Absolutely. hunter Sep 2013 #114
... Rex Sep 2013 #84
It's got railings! sibelian Sep 2013 #85
LOL! LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #92
No money for food stamps but........ Enthusiast Sep 2013 #86
Go to the Foreign Policy piece GG is commenting on JHB Sep 2013 #95
there's no words. nashville_brook Sep 2013 #96
Our tax dollars at work. (nt) Paladin Sep 2013 #97
Meanwhile most Public School Teachers, also public employees, have to buy their own Doctor_J Sep 2013 #98
Where's the Cone of Silence? CanonRay Sep 2013 #101
We ALL want you in the cone of silence. randome Sep 2013 #103
"Information Dominance Center" marions ghost Sep 2013 #102
Unless he's singing "Let the Eagle Soar"... Blanks Sep 2013 #107
Fantasies of power and magic. DirkGently Sep 2013 #113
nerd alert... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #118
Crazy....though I don't think he understood the whole point of Star Trek in the first place.......nt AverageJoe90 Sep 2013 #119
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
1. Jean-Luc Picard would never sit in THAT chair.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 05:48 PM
Sep 2013

Sigh... not only is this guy a complete loon, he doesn't even get what Trek was about.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
139. Well, the Federation was about gathering information
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 08:24 AM
Sep 2013

about "new life and new civilizations", and if they were living a primitive but sustainable and peaceful lifestyle, they were to be taught the "error" of their ways.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
140. Really? You got that from Star Trek?
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:09 AM
Sep 2013

The federation had the doctrine of the prime directive which was specific about not interfering in the cultures of those civilizations they came upon. Sure, the prime directive was often broken by Star Trek command, but that was to make a story for TV. Teaching others the errors of their ways was against the prime directive like the President going to war without Congress authorizing it is against the Constitution. Does happen, but shouldn't.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
141. Yep, I got that from (the original) Star Trek
Tue Sep 17, 2013, 11:43 AM
Sep 2013

from episodes like "This Side of Paradise" where Kirk has to convince the inhabitants of a planet who are living in harmony and perfect health that bliss isn't all it's cracked up to be.

And then there was "The Apple", where Kirk and a landing party beam down to what seems to be an ideal, Eden-like planet whose inhabitants are primitive and simple tribesmen, but they live forever in bliss and good health thanks to a computer god called Vol. After the Enterprise destroys Vol, Kirk assures the inhabitants that they can look forward to making babies-- and dying.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
8. Maybe It's Time For An Adult Female In That Job...
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:33 PM
Sep 2013

The boys with their deadly toys have had their chance.





P.S. NOT DiFi.


DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
32. Nor would an honourable Klingon Warrior
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:39 PM
Sep 2013

I'm talking about Worf, Martok, Kor and Kang, not the Duras family.

Klingons would definitely take the NSA to task.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
105. I am a near-lifelong Trekker
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:21 AM
Sep 2013

I have met Marina Sirtis (Counsellor Troi) and Michael Dorn (Worf).

Marina is very nice and very funny (not to mention gorgeous).

Mike Dorn is a little more reserved but still a good guy.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
51. From the TNG episdode "The Hunted"
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:21 PM
Sep 2013

" 'A matter of internal security' – the age-old cry of the oppressor."

- Cpt. Jean-Luc Picard
 

TheDebbieDee

(11,119 posts)
77. The Roca Danar character from that episode had the COOLEST. HAIR. EVER.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:36 PM
Sep 2013

I'd post a picture of him but I don't know how........

TexasTowelie

(112,102 posts)
79. It's Roga Danar and here is his picture.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:52 PM
Sep 2013


The actor's name is Jeff McCarthy He has made guest appearances on two Star Trek series; on Star Trek: The Next Generation, he appeared in the season 3 episode "The Hunted" as Roga Danar, and in the pilot episode of Star Trek: Voyager entitled "Caretaker" as chief medical officer Dr. Fitzgerald of the USS Voyager who was killed in the premiere episode. (Wikipedia)
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
127. My guess is that it's the Carlyle Group. Who do you think put him in power?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:38 PM
Sep 2013

Remember he was in power before Obama.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
131. Even I, not a big Obama fan, didn't think for a moment
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:38 PM
Sep 2013

that he had done it.

But seriously, a Star Trek set? What kind of idiots in Congress or wherever wouldn't think to raise a question about this?

boggleboggleboggle

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
3. Hah! I *TOLD* you all!
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 05:51 PM
Sep 2013

This has always been about our studly overlords needing "the command center" that looks like it is out of the movies.

We surveil everyone simply so they can have lots of "data" to display as they play at being a starship captain.

How much money have we wasted on contracts to put this needless crap together?

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
62. "needless crap"? You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding!
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:57 PM
Sep 2013

Ohh ... you bet your bootie it's "needed" alright, needed to play god,

needed to exploit, to rule roughshod, needed to render and torture at will,

needed for all kinds of ugly nefarious ends

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
68. I can just see the sales presentation...
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:23 PM
Sep 2013

You TOO can sit on your very own "battle bridge" but the battles you will fight will be the battles of....CYBER-SPACE (reverb that last bit).

Pathetic is what it is.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
123. Whatever are you saying? Are you trying to tell us
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:16 PM
Sep 2013

That Senator Di Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum don't need a second $ 16 million mansion?

The other one is so dated...

Besides, Di Fi has worked tirelessly in her efforts as Senate Intel Chairwoman.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
55. Several thousand teachers, particularly.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:40 PM
Sep 2013

This is so sickening. We cut the budget for everything that actually helps society so a bunch of overgrown children can play dress up in their fort.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
109. And kill people
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:47 PM
Sep 2013

This looks cute(and very wasteful) but this is the decorations on the weapon.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
14. No, Loonix. Plenty of agents around, though, to look through your gmails.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:42 PM
Sep 2013

And your Yahoo, and MS, etc., etc. etc.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
18. Alexander seems Too Good to Be True! He captured a Young President with "Star Wars!"
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 06:50 PM
Sep 2013

and the prospects of the Future.

The Movie: "Minority Report" shows what can happen if CITIZENS don't cut this CRAP OFF in the BUD!

We need to have more SAFEGUARDS...given that Alexander seems "Captured" by Orwell..in the WRONG WAY!

He loves the Pigs that Turned?

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
26. Why is it
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:23 PM
Sep 2013

I always read your name as Craptoad instead of Cryptoad. Serious, I don't mean to, but my mind just does that.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
42. Thank you
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:52 PM
Sep 2013

personal attacks go far to make you feel better about yourself, heh?

but not very meaningful!

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
31. Hey Obviousman
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:39 PM
Sep 2013

Where's Pointless Boy?

What sort of activities do you think require that sort of set up? Hiring a god damned set designer and having a custom glory hole, er, chair, to sit in and do exactly what?

Does he yell Mr Sulu take us out there? Maybe it's fire photon torpedoes! For fucks sake, you see absolutely nothing wrong with this behavior?

The first god damned senator or Rep who saw that shit should have shut it the fuck down immediately. What a fucking waste when meals of fucking wheels was cut. When school lunches were cut.

You know what? Fuck your attitude about allowing a bigger allowance for some prissy little fuck stuck in his childhood to play with.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
136. red state was complaining about meals on wheels cuts?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:40 PM
Sep 2013

Sounds weird but I will defer to you as an expert on redstate.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
35. Can you point me to any other govt office with a captains chair
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:43 PM
Sep 2013

smack in the middle surrounded by computer stations? Clearly the captains chair has no visible desk or any other work area. I wonder if it swivels....

I'll wait.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
52. My feelings are the money would have been Much better spent in hiring federal employees
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:23 PM
Sep 2013

in agencies that are Extremely underfunded and understaffed.

adirondacker

(2,921 posts)
126. Yes! The list is endless at present. Instead we're given more privitazation of Public interests
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:36 PM
Sep 2013

whose corporate mindedness is completely opposite of what benefits the general population.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
116. With railings!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:42 PM
Sep 2013

In case of heavy phaser fire!!!!



And a big octagonal ceiling light so the head of the organisation is always well lit!

Chaco Dundee

(334 posts)
21. wow
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:07 PM
Sep 2013

Keith Alexander is evidently as crazy as a shithouse Rat.he lives in another world all on his own.since most of our politicians fit into that category as well,I am wondering what there offices could look like.Weiners office should be interesting.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
24. Perfect for a swaggering, overbearing, tin-plated dictator with delusions of godhood....
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:22 PM
Sep 2013

(Can't believe I'm the first to think of that.)

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
38. The document you link to says 1999 build date.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:46 PM
Sep 2013


What a fucking waste, but was Alexander in charge then?

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
41. I think so
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:51 PM
Sep 2013

Definitely worth investigating. The link came from Greenwald's piece.

On Edit: he wasn't in charge of the NSA at that time. Minihan and then Hayden both served during that year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_National_Security_Agency

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
45. It seems like it is the HQ of the command he had at the time
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:02 PM
Sep 2013
When he was running the Army's Intelligence and Security Command, Alexander brought many of his future allies down to Fort Belvoir for a tour of his base of operations, a facility known as the Information Dominance Center.


So I guess he did have it built back then.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
33. I keep re-reading this, thinking it's going to turn out to be a joke.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 07:41 PM
Sep 2013

This is beyond the pale. No one could defend this ridiculous bullshit. I'm a big critic of domestic spying, but I never imagined this degree of megalomania and disregard for the public was so institutionalized. These morons seem to be acting out their tv fantasies with our tax money and our rights.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
90. Precisely.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:43 AM
Sep 2013

Institutionalized megalomania and disregard for the public is everywhere we look. From cuts to education to promoting the TPP, we are witnessing this phenomenon.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
47. Wonder if he went for it and had an agony booth built
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:06 PM
Sep 2013

He has to be a deep dish SOB to work for. That type generally is -- pun intended.

"But for the grace of god, goes god". Eisenhower's assessment of MacArthur

JHB

(37,158 posts)
50. Hmmm... "Completion: July 1999"
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:20 PM
Sep 2013

It's an Army operations control center that apparently has existed for nearly 15 years. Remember this picture?:


What they were looking at was likely sent to the the WH Situation Room (which was another of the design firm's projects, in 2006) either from this place or something very much like it.

The article gives a link to the design firms page on the project. Note the completion date.

http://www.dbia.com/projectpage/LIWA.pdf

http://www.dbia.com/portfolio/us-army/

SIZE
10,740 SF
LOCATION
Fort Belvoir, VA
COMPLETION
July 1999

PROJECT TEAM
KTA Group
Video Technical Consultants
Miller, Beam & Paganelli
C. M. Kling & Associates
Keystone Group
DESIGN CONCEPT
This project involved the renovation of standard office space into a highly classified, ultra-modern operations center. The Center’s primary function is to enable 24-hour worldwide visualization, planning, and execution of coordinated information operations for the U.S. Army and other federal agencies. The futuristic, yet distinctly military, setting is further reinforced by the Commander’s console, which gives the illusion that one has boarded a star ship. The prominently positioned chair provides the commanding officer an uninterrupted field of vision to a 22’-0” wide projection screen.
- Jennifer Klein, AIA

JHB

(37,158 posts)
94. Because actual reasons for opposing Alexander are dull and detailed. Easier to get page hits...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:19 AM
Sep 2013

...by pointing and yelling "Neeeeeeerrrrrrrrdddddd!!!!!!!"



hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
104. Yes it's an Information command HQ
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:15 AM
Sep 2013

That was Alexander's Command when this was built. Now you can explain to me is your ho hum fashion why an infromation command needs a command center done in stainless trim? What function requires the workstationless custom command chair? How many hours per day is it even sat in? The NSA does SIGINT, not HUMINT. Are you saying that SIGINT happens so quickly it requires a command chair and a bridge?

I don't begrudge any command a command center or even a war room, but this is so over the top that it outrages, even though it did happen 13 years ago. It was Alexander making these choices about the allocation of resources then. Don't you think it says a little something about the choices he is making now?

I mean having a custom chair built so he can felate VIPs? You are handwaving that away?

JHB

(37,158 posts)
108. No handwave at all. That's EXACTLY what it's for.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:41 PM
Sep 2013

While Greenwald is driving hits to his article by focusing on the Star Trek-y decor, he left out a rather more important quote from the Foreign Affairs article:

Alexander wowed members of Congress with his eye-popping command center. And he took time to sit with them in their offices and explain the intricacies of modern technology in simple, plain-spoken language. He demonstrated a command of the subject without intimidating those who had none.

"Alexander is 10 times the political general as David Petraeus," says the former administration official, comparing the NSA director to a man who was once considered a White House contender. "He could charm the paint off a wall."
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/09/08/the_cowboy_of_the_nsa_keith_alexander

It's practically a trope that military command centers are (or were) less impressive than how the are pictured in movies: visitors expect what they saw in Dr. Stangeglove, or Wargames, or any of dozens of Hollywood depictions, and in real life they see a cramped area with outdated equipment.

I don't know how often this room is actually used or whether there's any practical need for a "center seat" (in fact, that's a good question that could have been asked and looked into), but when visitors came it looked flashy, high-tech, impressive, and put them in a good frame of mind when he tried to explain technology issues to people who think "updating a driver" means getting a new golf club.

There are plenty of good reasons for objecting to Alexander running the NSA. His skill at lobbying is one of those good reasons. His taste in interior design is not.

Otherwise it's just a command center. Even back in the 60s they had visits from the military to check out the bridge set. It was simply an efficient design they were looking at for ideas to improve real systems.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
111. Well I'm glad we agree that it's a felatio station
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:01 PM
Sep 2013
His skill at lobbying is one of those good reasons. His taste in interior design is not.


I have trouble separating those two things especially when the interior design was a part of a lobbying effort.

Yes, I have been in a couple of command centers, some military, some other agencies.

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
59. Once again, Alexander is Rumsfeld's protege
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:44 PM
Sep 2013

Rumsfeld is an insane little fucker, is it any surprise Alexander is as well?

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
65. Sorry, but this isn't registering on my Outrageometer at all.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:14 PM
Sep 2013

First of all, it was completed in July 1999, but by all means lets rake the people working in there now over the coals for it. Second, it's an office room, not a Fortress of Solitude. Its appearance is aesthetic only, but please let's all lose our shit because our computer desks aren't as sharp looking. Actually, to my eye its look is rather jarringly tacky and not Star Trek-y at all (having grown up with all of the series except the original) and there are gamers with faaar better setups. Third, how about focusing on actual problems with the way the NSA conducts its business, instead of being pedantic about interior design?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
69. You said it perfectly.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:25 PM
Sep 2013

What a pointless issue.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Rules are made to be broken. Including this one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
71. Yeah... And Junior Air Marshall Alexander Can Use His Decoder Ring To Get Dates..
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:28 PM
Sep 2013

GROW THE FUCK UP !!!


 

RC

(25,592 posts)
72. The design of that room is symptomatic of the problems of the NSA that Snowden exposed.
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:30 PM
Sep 2013

Places like this have "Ego's too big to fail", written all over it.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
121. Snowden exposed the problems
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:20 PM
Sep 2013

For that he is exiled. He can't come home. If he does, Snowden faces a similar punishment as Manning.
Manning exposed other problems and war crimes. For that he is spending 35 year in prison.
Just because Snowden worked for the NSA, does not mean he was part of the problem. It was just another government job till he realized the extent of that the NSA was doing. He then upheld the oath he took, the best way needed, to expose the corruption he encountered. Without Snowden, we would not still know how far over the line the NSA was operating.
This country needs more Snowdens and Mannings, not less.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
124. Snowden didn't expose SHIT. This stuff covering the NSA was available years ago.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:16 PM
Sep 2013
He then upheld the oath he took, the best way needed, to expose the corruption he encountered.


By running off with classified info that could have put some of our people on the ground in harm's way, and taking this information to China AND Russia? Are you fucking kidding me?

Without Snowden, we would not still know how far over the line the NSA was operating.


That's not true, and Greenwald and co. know that.

This country needs more Snowdens.....not less.


No, what we need is another Daniel Ellsberg. Ellsberg actually DID expose corruption, and did so without putting any innocent parties in harm's way. Snowden can't even come CLOSE to comparing.

And as for Manning, for all his foul-ups, he at least genuinely believed that he thought he was doing the right thing, by going to Wikileaks. Snowden, on the other hand, knew damn well he was doing wrong, but he simply didn't care. Not one whit. He was in it at least for the money, if not to screw over the Obama administration as well(although with him being a Ron Paul acolyte, it wouldn't surprise me!).

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
130. The why didn't anyone know about the excesses and unconstitutional spying the NSA was doing?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:18 PM
Sep 2013

Few people knew the extent the NSA spying, until Snowden exposed the criminally of the rogue agency, made "legal" by a kangaroo court.

No, I am not fucking kidding you. How much of the information was only classified, so the no one would know the extent of the NSA spying on American citizens?

What money? No one has come forward with any proof Snowden profited in any way from exposing the unconstitutional spying our government was doing on its citizens. In fact it cost him a decent paying job, comfortable life and girl friend in Hawaii.

Times have changed since Watergate. If Snowden had done what Manning or Ellsberg did, he too would be in prison right now and we would not know the extent of the corruption going on. As it is, it is probably still worse than we know.
What does Obama have to do with this? Snowden didn't do what he did to make Obama look bad. If anything, Obama did it to himself.

When I read your posts on this subject, I see another that is Willfully Blind.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017145658

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
132. Because nobody in the media bothered to talk about it much, when Bush was in office.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 06:40 PM
Sep 2013

This stuff about NSA spying, or at least the most important stuff that they made the biggest hullabaloo over, was available back in 2006-07 if one knew where to look.

In fact it cost him a decent paying job, comfortable life and girl friend in Hawaii.


Something had to lure him out of the country. And given the kind of guy that he is, that should be one of the first things to look for.....but the media's had their heads so far up their asses, that few people have bothered to really look, as far as it can be seen(though I'd suspect that there might have been a coverup of some kind, anyhow.).

Snowden didn't do what he did to make Obama look bad.


Plenty of evidence suggests otherwise. His support of Ron Paul, alone, and his past anti-liberal comments should be a pair of *major* red flags in and of themselves, not to mention the fact that he flew straight to China with this info in hand, during a major diplomatic summit, no less, which is another major red flag.

When I read your posts on this subject, I see another that is Willfully Blind.


And frankly, pal, I could say the same exact same thing about you. But unlike you, I'd actually be spot on.....SMH.
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
133. What ever...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:01 PM
Sep 2013

You are stringing together talking points, nothing more. Snowden was not lured out of the country. He left on his own, so as to not be put in prison and possibly tortured as Manning was.

You're on a spot alright, but it is not what you think it is. You shouldn't pound your head like that, it can cause brain damage.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
134. ".....so as to not be put in prison and possibly tortured as Manning was." Bullshit.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 07:14 PM
Sep 2013

Are you seriously that totally clueless, as to believe that he had good intentions, and only good intentions in mind? Even if the evidence points in exactly the other direction?

it can cause brain damage.


Priceless.
But then again, that might explain a good portion of the people so eager to defend Fast Eddie and his fleeing into the arms of China and Putin's Russia with sensitive info that could potentially hurt innocent U.S. personnel.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
70. I know this one!!! We slipped into a parallel universe
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:27 PM
Sep 2013

at some point where the laws of physics and personalities are backwards than what they were before.

What a relief to have figured that out.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
74. At least we know where those IRS videos were filmed now...
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:12 PM
Sep 2013


At this point, though, if it DIDN'T get filmed there I figure it was because somebody got hissy about sharing their toys!
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
76. What does Alexander need to do to lose his job?
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 11:29 PM
Sep 2013

This gets nuttier and more grossly incompetent by the day.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
128. First you must understand who he is accountable to. It isnt to the President.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:41 PM
Sep 2013

My guess is the Carlyle Group. Any guesses?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
80. Wouldn't a nice room with padded walls be more apropos for this guy?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:02 AM
Sep 2013

And, he could wear a really cool, nicely tailored, white jacket with special sleeves.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
82. why haven't we seen the comics mocking this screwball?
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 12:36 AM
Sep 2013

Oh, that's right. He is omnipotent, and has dossiers.

Who will dare to tell the American people?

hunter

(38,310 posts)
83. Here's the view from behind the "Captain's Chair" toward the main screen...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:03 AM
Sep 2013


I imagine it's all been updated since the photo was taken, with flat monitors and the like.

Curious about the "shield" the captain sits in. Is it meant to protect him from back-stabbing?

Or maybe the whole thing is just a decoy, somebody pocketed the money, and contracted all the real work out to an Indian Call Center...



AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
112. Look at all that money they shit down the tubes.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:21 PM
Sep 2013

Half that stainless bullshit actually works to PREVENT upgrades in the future. Let alone reflecting ambient noise.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
114. Absolutely.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 02:19 PM
Sep 2013

I've been in labs where they were creating technologies that changed the world.

Not a single one looked like that.

Look at pictures from World War II of the labs of the Manhattan Project or the British Code breakers...

This is what people doing real work look like:



In modern times they might have laptops and a bunch of Ethernet cables covering the desk instead of papers and baskets.

Star Trek stuff would only get in the way.



sibelian

(7,804 posts)
85. It's got railings!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 01:15 AM
Sep 2013

Perhaps in case they need something to hold onto when the office wobbles from side to side during photon torpedo strikes.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
92. LOL!
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 05:13 AM
Sep 2013

It's so absurd and so insane, you just can't help but laugh. A creepy, high-pitched cackle would be apt.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
95. Go to the Foreign Policy piece GG is commenting on
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 08:37 AM
Sep 2013

Far more important than the decor is what follows:

Alexander wowed members of Congress with his eye-popping command center. And he took time to sit with them in their offices and explain the intricacies of modern technology in simple, plain-spoken language. He demonstrated a command of the subject without intimidating those who had none.

"Alexander is 10 times the political general as David Petraeus," says the former administration official, comparing the NSA director to a man who was once considered a White House contender. "He could charm the paint off a wall."


I'm more concerned that he knows to have a flashy set piece to show off to congressmen and other VIPs -- to lobby without looking like he's lobbying -- than what it looks like.
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
98. Meanwhile most Public School Teachers, also public employees, have to buy their own
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 09:35 AM
Sep 2013

white board markers.

the country doesn't need a tune-up any more. it needs an overhaul.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
103. We ALL want you in the cone of silence.
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:31 AM
Sep 2013

Kidding!
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marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
102. "Information Dominance Center"
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:26 AM
Sep 2013

would be a joke except now we know that is exactly the plan. We just didn't realize it includes dominating the data of US Citizens, along with our frenemies around the world.

Thank you Ed Snowden.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
107. Unless he's singing "Let the Eagle Soar"...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:22 AM
Sep 2013

He's still a distant second in the 'high ranking tacky and tasteless government employee' category.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
118. nerd alert...
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 03:19 PM
Sep 2013

Unless of course he uses the 22' screen to play Battlefield 3 or something, which would be the epitome of cool

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
119. Crazy....though I don't think he understood the whole point of Star Trek in the first place.......nt
Mon Sep 16, 2013, 04:01 PM
Sep 2013
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