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Inside the mind of NSA chief Gen Keith AlexanderA lavish Star Trek room he had built as part of his 'Information Dominance Center' is endlessly revealing
Glenn Greenwald - theguardian.com
Sunday 15 September 2013 08.14 EDT
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It has been previously reported that the mentality of NSA chief Gen. Keith Alexander is captured by his motto "Collect it All". It's a get-everything approach he pioneered first when aimed at an enemy population in the middle of a war zone in Iraq, one he has now imported onto US soil, aimed at the domestic population and everyone else.
But a perhaps even more disturbing and revealing vignette into the spy chief's mind comes from a new Foreign Policy article describing what the journal calls his "all-out, barely-legal drive to build the ultimate spy machine". The article describes how even his NSA peers see him as a "cowboy" willing to play fast and loose with legal limits in order to construct a system of ubiquitous surveillance. But the personality driving all of this - not just Alexander's but much of Washington's - is perhaps best captured by this one passage, highlighted by PBS' News Hour in a post entitled: "NSA director modeled war room after Star Trek's Enterprise". The room was christened as part of the "Information Dominance Center":
"'Everybody wanted to sit in the chair at least once to pretend he was Jean-Luc Picard,' says a retired officer in charge of VIP visits."
Numerous commentators remarked yesterday on the meaning of all that (note, too, how "Total Information Awareness" was a major scandal in the Bush years, but "Information Dominance Center" - along with things like "Boundless Informant" - are treated as benign or even noble programs in the age of Obama).
But now, on the website of DBI Architects, Inc. of Washington and Reston, Virginia, there are what purports to be photographs of the actual Star-Trek-like headquarters commissioned by Gen. Alexander that so impressed his Congressional overseers. It's a 10,740 square foot labyrinth in Fort Belvoir, Virginia. The brochure touts how "the prominently positioned chair provides the commanding officer an uninterrupted field of vision to a 22'-0" wide projection screen".
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More: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/15/nsa-mind-keith-alexander-star-trek
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Sigh... not only is this guy a complete loon, he doesn't even get what Trek was about.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)as day is from night.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)So it's kind of out there on its own.
PragmaticLiberal
(904 posts)We are such geeks.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)about "new life and new civilizations", and if they were living a primitive but sustainable and peaceful lifestyle, they were to be taught the "error" of their ways.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)The federation had the doctrine of the prime directive which was specific about not interfering in the cultures of those civilizations they came upon. Sure, the prime directive was often broken by Star Trek command, but that was to make a story for TV. Teaching others the errors of their ways was against the prime directive like the President going to war without Congress authorizing it is against the Constitution. Does happen, but shouldn't.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)from episodes like "This Side of Paradise" where Kirk has to convince the inhabitants of a planet who are living in harmony and perfect health that bliss isn't all it's cracked up to be.
And then there was "The Apple", where Kirk and a landing party beam down to what seems to be an ideal, Eden-like planet whose inhabitants are primitive and simple tribesmen, but they live forever in bliss and good health thanks to a computer god called Vol. After the Enterprise destroys Vol, Kirk assures the inhabitants that they can look forward to making babies-- and dying.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)The boys with their deadly toys have had their chance.
P.S. NOT DiFi.
RC
(25,592 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)DissidentVoice
(813 posts)I'm talking about Worf, Martok, Kor and Kang, not the Duras family.
Klingons would definitely take the NSA to task.
Riverman100
(275 posts)But how many of us Trekkers are here on DU?
RC
(25,592 posts)DissidentVoice
(813 posts)I have met Marina Sirtis (Counsellor Troi) and Michael Dorn (Worf).
Marina is very nice and very funny (not to mention gorgeous).
Mike Dorn is a little more reserved but still a good guy.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)" 'A matter of internal security' the age-old cry of the oppressor."
- Cpt. Jean-Luc Picard
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)I'd post a picture of him but I don't know how........
TexasTowelie
(112,102 posts)The actor's name is Jeff McCarthy He has made guest appearances on two Star Trek series; on Star Trek: The Next Generation, he appeared in the season 3 episode "The Hunted" as Roga Danar, and in the pilot episode of Star Trek: Voyager entitled "Caretaker" as chief medical officer Dr. Fitzgerald of the USS Voyager who was killed in the premiere episode. (Wikipedia)
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)We really need to cut the NSA's funding.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Who else?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Remember he was in power before Obama.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)that he had done it.
But seriously, a Star Trek set? What kind of idiots in Congress or wherever wouldn't think to raise a question about this?
boggleboggleboggle
Pholus
(4,062 posts)This has always been about our studly overlords needing "the command center" that looks like it is out of the movies.
We surveil everyone simply so they can have lots of "data" to display as they play at being a starship captain.
How much money have we wasted on contracts to put this needless crap together?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Ohh ... you bet your bootie it's "needed" alright, needed to play god,
needed to exploit, to rule roughshod, needed to render and torture at will,
needed for all kinds of ugly nefarious ends
Pholus
(4,062 posts)You TOO can sit on your very own "battle bridge" but the battles you will fight will be the battles of....CYBER-SPACE (reverb that last bit).
Pathetic is what it is.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)didact
(246 posts)MORE BLINKING LIGHTS! We NEED MORE BLINKING LIGHTS!
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glowing
(12,233 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)That Senator Di Feinstein and her husband Richard Blum don't need a second $ 16 million mansion?
The other one is so dated...
Besides, Di Fi has worked tirelessly in her efforts as Senate Intel Chairwoman.
gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)xfundy
(5,105 posts)Us?
barbtries
(28,787 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)This is so sickening. We cut the budget for everything that actually helps society so a bunch of overgrown children can play dress up in their fort.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)This looks cute(and very wasteful) but this is the decorations on the weapon.
barbtries
(28,787 posts)you and me.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)And your Yahoo, and MS, etc., etc. etc.
Autumn
(45,049 posts)It has to do with "tiny".
KoKo
(84,711 posts)and the prospects of the Future.
The Movie: "Minority Report" shows what can happen if CITIZENS don't cut this CRAP OFF in the BUD!
We need to have more SAFEGUARDS...given that Alexander seems "Captured" by Orwell..in the WRONG WAY!
He loves the Pigs that Turned?
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)OHHHHHHHHHH the Shame of it!!!!!!!
geeez..... Lmao
Caretha
(2,737 posts)I always read your name as Craptoad instead of Cryptoad. Serious, I don't mean to, but my mind just does that.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)call it what you want!,,,,,,
Caretha
(2,737 posts)I Crown you craptoad
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)personal attacks go far to make you feel better about yourself, heh?
but not very meaningful!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Strange-that.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Where's Pointless Boy?
What sort of activities do you think require that sort of set up? Hiring a god damned set designer and having a custom glory hole, er, chair, to sit in and do exactly what?
Does he yell Mr Sulu take us out there? Maybe it's fire photon torpedoes! For fucks sake, you see absolutely nothing wrong with this behavior?
The first god damned senator or Rep who saw that shit should have shut it the fuck down immediately. What a fucking waste when meals of fucking wheels was cut. When school lunches were cut.
You know what? Fuck your attitude about allowing a bigger allowance for some prissy little fuck stuck in his childhood to play with.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Most excellent post!
Boys and their deadly toys.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)be patient
hueymahl
(2,491 posts)Please don't feed the trolls.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Red State dot Com.......
geeez
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I thought I smelled brain smoke.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Sounds weird but I will defer to you as an expert on redstate.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)smack in the middle surrounded by computer stations? Clearly the captains chair has no visible desk or any other work area. I wonder if it swivels....
I'll wait.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)in agencies that are Extremely underfunded and understaffed.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)A school system or two?
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)whose corporate mindedness is completely opposite of what benefits the general population.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)In case of heavy phaser fire!!!!
And a big octagonal ceiling light so the head of the organisation is always well lit!
Chaco Dundee
(334 posts)Keith Alexander is evidently as crazy as a shithouse Rat.he lives in another world all on his own.since most of our politicians fit into that category as well,I am wondering what there offices could look like.Weiners office should be interesting.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)A hearty welcome to DU too!
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)Silent3
(15,199 posts)+1
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)(Can't believe I'm the first to think of that.)
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Can anyone see what symbol is on this desk where Captain Jean-Luc Alexander meets with his spying space cadets?
http://www.dbia.com/projectpage/LIWA.pdf
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)What a fucking waste, but was Alexander in charge then?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Definitely worth investigating. The link came from Greenwald's piece.
On Edit: he wasn't in charge of the NSA at that time. Minihan and then Hayden both served during that year.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_National_Security_Agency
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)So I guess he did have it built back then.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Not sure why I went off in the direction of NSA directors. LOL
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)We're living the "Star Wars" dream!
Marr
(20,317 posts)This is beyond the pale. No one could defend this ridiculous bullshit. I'm a big critic of domestic spying, but I never imagined this degree of megalomania and disregard for the public was so institutionalized. These morons seem to be acting out their tv fantasies with our tax money and our rights.
Now we know how juvenile our leaders really ARE.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Institutionalized megalomania and disregard for the public is everywhere we look. From cuts to education to promoting the TPP, we are witnessing this phenomenon.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)Notice the throne-like captain's chair.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)He has to be a deep dish SOB to work for. That type generally is -- pun intended.
"But for the grace of god, goes god". Eisenhower's assessment of MacArthur
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)JBoy
(8,021 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,174 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Perfect !!!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)It's an Army operations control center that apparently has existed for nearly 15 years. Remember this picture?:
What they were looking at was likely sent to the the WH Situation Room (which was another of the design firm's projects, in 2006) either from this place or something very much like it.
The article gives a link to the design firms page on the project. Note the completion date.
http://www.dbia.com/projectpage/LIWA.pdf
http://www.dbia.com/portfolio/us-army/
10,740 SF
LOCATION
Fort Belvoir, VA
COMPLETION
July 1999
PROJECT TEAM
KTA Group
Video Technical Consultants
Miller, Beam & Paganelli
C. M. Kling & Associates
Keystone Group
DESIGN CONCEPT
This project involved the renovation of standard office space into a highly classified, ultra-modern operations center. The Centers primary function is to enable 24-hour worldwide visualization, planning, and execution of coordinated information operations for the U.S. Army and other federal agencies. The futuristic, yet distinctly military, setting is further reinforced by the Commanders console, which gives the illusion that one has boarded a star ship. The prominently positioned chair provides the commanding officer an uninterrupted field of vision to a 22-0 wide projection screen.
- Jennifer Klein, AIA
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)...by pointing and yelling "Neeeeeeerrrrrrrrdddddd!!!!!!!"
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)That was Alexander's Command when this was built. Now you can explain to me is your ho hum fashion why an infromation command needs a command center done in stainless trim? What function requires the workstationless custom command chair? How many hours per day is it even sat in? The NSA does SIGINT, not HUMINT. Are you saying that SIGINT happens so quickly it requires a command chair and a bridge?
I don't begrudge any command a command center or even a war room, but this is so over the top that it outrages, even though it did happen 13 years ago. It was Alexander making these choices about the allocation of resources then. Don't you think it says a little something about the choices he is making now?
I mean having a custom chair built so he can felate VIPs? You are handwaving that away?
JHB
(37,158 posts)While Greenwald is driving hits to his article by focusing on the Star Trek-y decor, he left out a rather more important quote from the Foreign Affairs article:
"Alexander is 10 times the political general as David Petraeus," says the former administration official, comparing the NSA director to a man who was once considered a White House contender. "He could charm the paint off a wall."
It's practically a trope that military command centers are (or were) less impressive than how the are pictured in movies: visitors expect what they saw in Dr. Stangeglove, or Wargames, or any of dozens of Hollywood depictions, and in real life they see a cramped area with outdated equipment.
I don't know how often this room is actually used or whether there's any practical need for a "center seat" (in fact, that's a good question that could have been asked and looked into), but when visitors came it looked flashy, high-tech, impressive, and put them in a good frame of mind when he tried to explain technology issues to people who think "updating a driver" means getting a new golf club.
There are plenty of good reasons for objecting to Alexander running the NSA. His skill at lobbying is one of those good reasons. His taste in interior design is not.
Otherwise it's just a command center. Even back in the 60s they had visits from the military to check out the bridge set. It was simply an efficient design they were looking at for ideas to improve real systems.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I have trouble separating those two things especially when the interior design was a part of a lobbying effort.
Yes, I have been in a couple of command centers, some military, some other agencies.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Rumsfeld is an insane little fucker, is it any surprise Alexander is as well?
WillyT
(72,631 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)First of all, it was completed in July 1999, but by all means lets rake the people working in there now over the coals for it. Second, it's an office room, not a Fortress of Solitude. Its appearance is aesthetic only, but please let's all lose our shit because our computer desks aren't as sharp looking. Actually, to my eye its look is rather jarringly tacky and not Star Trek-y at all (having grown up with all of the series except the original) and there are gamers with faaar better setups. Third, how about focusing on actual problems with the way the NSA conducts its business, instead of being pedantic about interior design?
randome
(34,845 posts)What a pointless issue.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Rules are made to be broken. Including this one.[/center][/font][hr]
WillyT
(72,631 posts)GROW THE FUCK UP !!!
RC
(25,592 posts)Places like this have "Ego's too big to fail", written all over it.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)For that he is exiled. He can't come home. If he does, Snowden faces a similar punishment as Manning.
Manning exposed other problems and war crimes. For that he is spending 35 year in prison.
Just because Snowden worked for the NSA, does not mean he was part of the problem. It was just another government job till he realized the extent of that the NSA was doing. He then upheld the oath he took, the best way needed, to expose the corruption he encountered. Without Snowden, we would not still know how far over the line the NSA was operating.
This country needs more Snowdens and Mannings, not less.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)He then upheld the oath he took, the best way needed, to expose the corruption he encountered.
By running off with classified info that could have put some of our people on the ground in harm's way, and taking this information to China AND Russia? Are you fucking kidding me?
Without Snowden, we would not still know how far over the line the NSA was operating.
That's not true, and Greenwald and co. know that.
This country needs more Snowdens.....not less.
No, what we need is another Daniel Ellsberg. Ellsberg actually DID expose corruption, and did so without putting any innocent parties in harm's way. Snowden can't even come CLOSE to comparing.
And as for Manning, for all his foul-ups, he at least genuinely believed that he thought he was doing the right thing, by going to Wikileaks. Snowden, on the other hand, knew damn well he was doing wrong, but he simply didn't care. Not one whit. He was in it at least for the money, if not to screw over the Obama administration as well(although with him being a Ron Paul acolyte, it wouldn't surprise me!).
RC
(25,592 posts)Few people knew the extent the NSA spying, until Snowden exposed the criminally of the rogue agency, made "legal" by a kangaroo court.
No, I am not fucking kidding you. How much of the information was only classified, so the no one would know the extent of the NSA spying on American citizens?
What money? No one has come forward with any proof Snowden profited in any way from exposing the unconstitutional spying our government was doing on its citizens. In fact it cost him a decent paying job, comfortable life and girl friend in Hawaii.
Times have changed since Watergate. If Snowden had done what Manning or Ellsberg did, he too would be in prison right now and we would not know the extent of the corruption going on. As it is, it is probably still worse than we know.
What does Obama have to do with this? Snowden didn't do what he did to make Obama look bad. If anything, Obama did it to himself.
When I read your posts on this subject, I see another that is Willfully Blind.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017145658
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)This stuff about NSA spying, or at least the most important stuff that they made the biggest hullabaloo over, was available back in 2006-07 if one knew where to look.
In fact it cost him a decent paying job, comfortable life and girl friend in Hawaii.
Something had to lure him out of the country. And given the kind of guy that he is, that should be one of the first things to look for.....but the media's had their heads so far up their asses, that few people have bothered to really look, as far as it can be seen(though I'd suspect that there might have been a coverup of some kind, anyhow.).
Snowden didn't do what he did to make Obama look bad.
Plenty of evidence suggests otherwise. His support of Ron Paul, alone, and his past anti-liberal comments should be a pair of *major* red flags in and of themselves, not to mention the fact that he flew straight to China with this info in hand, during a major diplomatic summit, no less, which is another major red flag.
When I read your posts on this subject, I see another that is Willfully Blind.
And frankly, pal, I could say the same exact same thing about you. But unlike you, I'd actually be spot on.....SMH.
RC
(25,592 posts)You are stringing together talking points, nothing more. Snowden was not lured out of the country. He left on his own, so as to not be put in prison and possibly tortured as Manning was.
You're on a spot alright, but it is not what you think it is. You shouldn't pound your head like that, it can cause brain damage.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Are you seriously that totally clueless, as to believe that he had good intentions, and only good intentions in mind? Even if the evidence points in exactly the other direction?
it can cause brain damage.
Priceless.
But then again, that might explain a good portion of the people so eager to defend Fast Eddie and his fleeing into the arms of China and Putin's Russia with sensitive info that could potentially hurt innocent U.S. personnel.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)at some point where the laws of physics and personalities are backwards than what they were before.
What a relief to have figured that out.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)At this point, though, if it DIDN'T get filmed there I figure it was because somebody got hissy about sharing their toys!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)This gets nuttier and more grossly incompetent by the day.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)My guess is the Carlyle Group. Any guesses?
Jasana
(490 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)It's called Mission Control.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)And, he could wear a really cool, nicely tailored, white jacket with special sleeves.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Oh, that's right. He is omnipotent, and has dossiers.
Who will dare to tell the American people?
hunter
(38,310 posts)I imagine it's all been updated since the photo was taken, with flat monitors and the like.
Curious about the "shield" the captain sits in. Is it meant to protect him from back-stabbing?
Or maybe the whole thing is just a decoy, somebody pocketed the money, and contracted all the real work out to an Indian Call Center...
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Half that stainless bullshit actually works to PREVENT upgrades in the future. Let alone reflecting ambient noise.
hunter
(38,310 posts)I've been in labs where they were creating technologies that changed the world.
Not a single one looked like that.
Look at pictures from World War II of the labs of the Manhattan Project or the British Code breakers...
This is what people doing real work look like:
In modern times they might have laptops and a bunch of Ethernet cables covering the desk instead of papers and baskets.
Star Trek stuff would only get in the way.
Crazy.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Perhaps in case they need something to hold onto when the office wobbles from side to side during photon torpedo strikes.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)It's so absurd and so insane, you just can't help but laugh. A creepy, high-pitched cackle would be apt.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)Far more important than the decor is what follows:
Alexander wowed members of Congress with his eye-popping command center. And he took time to sit with them in their offices and explain the intricacies of modern technology in simple, plain-spoken language. He demonstrated a command of the subject without intimidating those who had none.
"Alexander is 10 times the political general as David Petraeus," says the former administration official, comparing the NSA director to a man who was once considered a White House contender. "He could charm the paint off a wall."
I'm more concerned that he knows to have a flashy set piece to show off to congressmen and other VIPs -- to lobby without looking like he's lobbying -- than what it looks like.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Paladin
(28,252 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)white board markers.
the country doesn't need a tune-up any more. it needs an overhaul.
CanonRay
(14,098 posts)I wanna go in the Cone of Silence.
randome
(34,845 posts)Kidding!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)would be a joke except now we know that is exactly the plan. We just didn't realize it includes dominating the data of US Citizens, along with our frenemies around the world.
Thank you Ed Snowden.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)He's still a distant second in the 'high ranking tacky and tasteless government employee' category.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Unless of course he uses the 22' screen to play Battlefield 3 or something, which would be the epitome of cool