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Sat Sep 14, 2013, 01:25 PM

Citing Snowden, the FISA court orders the government to declassify more of its secret opinions

The FISA court will release more opinions because of Snowden

By Brian Fung, Published: September 13 at 2:49 pm

Call it the Edward Snowden effect: Citing the former NSA contractor, a federal judge has ordered the government to declassify more reports from the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

In an opinion from the FISC itself, Judge F. Dennis Saylor on Friday told the White House to declassify all the legal opinions relating to Section 215 of the Patriot Act written after May 2011 that aren't already the subject of FOIA litigation.

The court ruled that the White House must identify the opinions in question by Oct. 4.

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The ruling comes in response to a petition by the American Civil Liberties Union seeking greater government transparency. But because the ACLU already has a similar FOIA case pending in another court, Saylor wrote that the new FISC order can only cover documents that don't relate to that case. Depending on how the other case turns out, the ACLU could come back to the FISA court later and ask again.

Senior intelligence officials have voluntarily published some of its surveillance-related documents in recent weeks and vow to release more, but this marks the first time the FISA court has given a direct order to the administration on declassification.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/13/the-fisa-court-will-release-more-opinions-because-of-snowden/

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Reply Citing Snowden, the FISA court orders the government to declassify more of its secret opinions (Original post)
Catherina Sep 2013 OP
pscot Sep 2013 #1
1awake Sep 2013 #2
dkf Sep 2013 #3
Th1onein Sep 2013 #53
gopiscrap Sep 2013 #4
cui bono Sep 2013 #5
Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #6
NealK Sep 2013 #25
Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #26
frylock Sep 2013 #28
Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #34
davidpdx Sep 2013 #46
grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #38
bvar22 Sep 2013 #7
BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #8
Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #9
SaveOurDemocracy Sep 2013 #10
Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #11
backscatter712 Sep 2013 #12
Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #13
ProSense Sep 2013 #16
Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #18
ProSense Sep 2013 #19
Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #21
ProSense Sep 2013 #23
NealK Sep 2013 #30
ProSense Sep 2013 #31
NealK Sep 2013 #35
ProSense Sep 2013 #36
NealK Sep 2013 #37
Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #39
AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #42
Logical Sep 2013 #49
Stupefacto Sep 2013 #24
AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #43
Logical Sep 2013 #48
Fuddnik Sep 2013 #14
Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #27
NealK Sep 2013 #33
muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #52
xchrom Sep 2013 #15
KoKo Sep 2013 #17
DirkGently Sep 2013 #20
AzDar Sep 2013 #22
Solly Mack Sep 2013 #29
RetroLounge Sep 2013 #32
avaistheone1 Sep 2013 #41
Blanks Sep 2013 #40
AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #44
Blanks Sep 2013 #45
Logical Sep 2013 #51
AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #55
AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #54
Blanks Sep 2013 #58
AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #60
Blanks Sep 2013 #61
AgingAmerican Sep 2013 #62
Paulie Sep 2013 #56
Logical Sep 2013 #50
ehcross Sep 2013 #63
Logical Sep 2013 #47
Paulie Sep 2013 #57
RetroLounge Sep 2013 #59

Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 01:29 PM

1. K&R

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 01:31 PM

2. K&R n/t

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 01:31 PM

3. Snowden must feel quite vindicated, and there is still more to go.

 

To think we elected Obama to get rid of this sort of thing but instead it takes one individual, with a conscience, to attempt what Obama apparently couldn't.

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Response to dkf (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:33 PM

53. You nailed it, dkf.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 01:52 PM

4. Good

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:35 PM

6. Wait for it. Another glorious victory for Obama!!!

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:55 PM

25. Lol!

Yeah, that's part of that 11 dimensional chess game sprinkled with dark mater.

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Response to NealK (Reply #25)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:09 PM

26. The only way he could get that stuff declassified

was to pretend to push for more extensive classification.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #26)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:25 PM

28. you guys just don't understand realpolitik..

or something.

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Response to frylock (Reply #28)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:32 PM

34. Leads to an intriguing question:

What's Ersatzpolitik?

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Response to NealK (Reply #25)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:13 AM

46. ...

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 05:34 PM

38. HAHAHA:))

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:45 PM

7. Tip of the Iceberg!

DURec for wider distribution!


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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:49 PM

9. I do believe the dam is cracking on that one, I hope so.

We must remain tenacious on this subject.

Thanks for the thread, Catherina.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:52 PM

10. K&R! See? Snowden's revelations were nothing we didn't already know and ...

... amount to nothing, will have no effect, blah blah blah...

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:52 PM

11. Where's our Pro-Authoritarian crowd to slam this horror?

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:55 PM

12. They usually don't come in to work until Monday morning. n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:56 PM

13. Oh damn

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:17 PM

16. Irony:

The same "crowd" that has been heaping praise on Putin is calling out others as "Pro-Authoritarian" in a thread about hyping Snowden (the guy stuck in Russia) and the authoritarian, fascist, lying, rubberstamp FISC that should be abolished because it can't be trusted.

Otherwise, transparency is good.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:29 PM

18. Oh listen to Prosense. Everything she says is quite...quite...umm credible.

Translation: lets talk about something else.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:32 PM

19. You know the point was spot on.

Still, can't blame you for the lame comeback.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #19)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:34 PM

21. You hath wound me to the quick, with your "searing" riposte...!

One can tell there is a intellect at work in there....somewhere.

You had a point other than talk about something else?

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:37 PM

23. LOL!

"You had a point other than talk about something else?"

Why would you think anyone cares if you talk about the FISC ordering the declassification of information?

My point, which has led to your attempted deflection, is addressing the silly "pro-Authoritarian" comment.




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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:28 PM

30. I understand your indignation.

How dare they call you ProAuthoritarianCrowd? I would be pissed too if people misspelled my handle.

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Response to NealK (Reply #30)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:29 PM

31. LOL!

Lame!



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Response to ProSense (Reply #31)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:39 PM

35. Absolutely!

A lame reply to a lame post. And I'm glad to have been able to distract you from your obvious frustration even if only for a microsecond.

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Response to NealK (Reply #35)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:42 PM

36. The best part

"A lame reply to a lame post. And I'm glad to have been able to distract you from your obvious frustration even if only for a microsecond."

...of "lame" is having to make up your own claim to fame.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #36)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:58 PM

37. Oh boy, it's worse than I thought.

To quote someone else in this thread: "Can't blame you for the lame comeback."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum1002&pid=3668240

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Response to NealK (Reply #37)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 05:35 PM

39. +1000

I don't think she can come up with anything original. Except to parrot talking points and repeat the same insults over and over, thinking shes dispensing biting pearls of pithy witticisms.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #36)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:09 AM

42. Thank you

For that searingly intellectual, snark free take on the subject at hand. True to form, thou art.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #36)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:30 AM

49. At what point do you tire of being on the wrong side of issues? I guess never. LOL! n-t

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Response to ProSense (Reply #16)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:39 PM

24. How many of the people in this thread claimed the FISC is "fascist"...

 

and how many said it should be abolished?

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Response to Stupefacto (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:11 AM

43. It is fascistic

It is wholly controlled by and populated with Republicans. Republicans are fascists. Most likely they are trying to stave off being defunded. A broken clock is right twice a day.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:29 AM

48. LOL, you ripped Snowden daily for 2 months, 1000s of posts saying he made no difference and that....

the NSA was doing nothing wrong.

Now EVERYONE knows Snowden started a conversation that needed started and has exposed shit that needed exposed.

But you do not have the honor or the guts to admit you were wrong.

And you expect to be taken seriously on any other topic in the future?

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:01 PM

14. OMG!!!!!

Rand Paul and the Librarians have taken over the FISA Court!!!!

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Response to Fuddnik (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:11 PM

27. That would be a great name for a garage band:

Rand Paul and the Librarians.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #27)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:31 PM

33. Lol!

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:29 AM

52. The lead singer would have to constantly sack the backing group as moochers and looters

who are part of an overbearing public government taking hard-earned money from the proud individualist and nannying people who should buy their own books etc.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:09 PM

15. du rec.

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:26 PM

17. Recommend!

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:33 PM

20. Thus the continued panic over Snowden & Greenwald.


They (and by extension, we) are winning.



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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:36 PM

22. K & R

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:27 PM

29. K&R

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2013, 04:31 PM

32. Because Obama!



RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #32)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:59 AM

41. ...

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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:06 AM

40. The 'Snowden component' to this story is opinion....

The ACLU is the one doing the fighting. Are they or the 'top secret court' giving credit to Snowden? No, the author of this article is giving him the credit.

If you search the court order itself for Snowden, it comes up empty. I expect this would have come about at around this same time (without Snowden's little globe trotting adventure) due to the hard work of the ACLU.

...but, sure lets give Snowden the credit.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 03:13 AM

44. Do you believe they would have done so irregardless?

Even if Snowden hadn't outed them? It's pretty obvious what precipitated this.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #44)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 08:53 AM

45. Do you believe the ACLU is ineffective?

That's the question. Yes, I believe this comes as a result of their work.

Americans view things like this: even though there are 10 other guys out on the football field - the quarterback wins or loses the game ...and forget the defense, unless its an individual that we can point to. We just aren't 'complete' unless we can point to a hero.

Perhaps Snowden's actions contributed somehow, but the hard work was done by someone else, and the court document never mentioned him. The only thing obvious here is that Snowden worship is alive and well.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #45)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:38 AM

51. When a witness to a crime provides information the police still do all the work. But the witness....

is the one that made it happen.

Snowden was the witness. Without him MOST of the stuff people have found would not have been found.

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Response to Logical (Reply #51)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:41 PM

55. I find it amusing

...that the 'You guys are libertarian Putin loving purists' crowd don't show up at all in threads like this one.

They are usually so loud in threads about Snowden. Not a peep.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #45)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:37 PM

54. Your question is irrelevent

nt

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #54)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 02:46 PM

58. You believe all of the credit should go to Snowden...

Even though the ACLU has been working on this for a decade.

I expect that they would have won out eventually - Snowden just happened to be the 'attention seeking' dude that came along.

I'm not sure why its so important that he be viewed as the hero. I specifically prefer that he not be viewed as a hero because he broke the law. I believe he could have accomplished the same thing and remained anonymous.

If people believe that they can break the law, become a household name, and be considered a hero - I'm concerned we will have copycats.

Why is it so important to you that he be viewed as 'the hero' in this - this is clearly a victory for the ACLU?

Certainly he helped their case, but it is still their case. Is it just because there has been so much disagreement between DU members? The ACLU has a long tradition of liberal activism, why are we giving all of the credit for this to Snowden?

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Response to Blanks (Reply #58)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 10:43 PM

60. Where have I ever said Snowden was a "Hero"?

It has nothing to do with heros. That is drama talk. Im saying that this would not have happened period except for what we found out via Snowden. You can spend all the energy you want talking about 'heros' and insulting Snowden on a personal level, but the end result is all I am interested in.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #60)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 10:27 AM

61. I don't know that YOU called him a hero. There are those here who have.

I've never personally attacked Snowden. I don't agree with the way he handled it, and I think he gets too much credit for no more than he did (particularly compared to the ACLU), but I don't care what his personal habits are.

I think putting him on a pedestal sends the wrong message. I understand it is our tendency to give the field goal kicker the credit for winning the game at the last second (ignoring the good play during the rest of the game), but the headline would have been more fair if it said something to the effect of: ACLU finally makes progress in battle against government surveillance programs - some credit goes to whistle blowers.

As I said before, we don't want a bunch of young people thinking that they can break the law and become a household name, and be called a hero (not by you of course). I'd rather give credit where credit is due, and the ACLU (who I am not in any way affiliated with) takes donations to fight the good fight. They have other battles that they are fighting as well. If they were getting the credit for this, rather than Snowden, it might set the right-wing nut job detractors (that complain about the ACLU on their radio programs) back since EVERYONE is opposed to this surveillance, and it might help them with their funding.

Promoting one individual when the opportunity to elevate a long standing liberal organization doesn't make any sense.

I understand that there has been a lot of contention between the pro-Snowden and anti-Snowden 'groups' here, but this should be celebrated as a victory by the ACLU - at minimum in addition to giving some credit to the whistle-blowers.

This really isn't about Snowden.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #61)

Mon Sep 16, 2013, 11:36 AM

62. I think the 'hero' nonsense is just a distraction

It's a way for people to avoid dealing with the issue at hand. It's a sideshow.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #45)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 12:42 PM

56. Without the docs the ACLU and others have had their cases dismissed

For lack if standing because they can't "prove" harm or pretty much anything with a secret program. Now that its out they are winning. It really is Snowden cause Lawsuit win effect.

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Response to Blanks (Reply #40)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:35 AM

50. Snowden exposed shit that needed exposed. No one doubts that at this point. n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #50)

Sun Sep 22, 2013, 02:59 PM

63. Snowden exposed shit he should not have exposed. No one doubts that at this point.

 

After having witnessed the horrors of 9/11 the United States, more than ever should strengthen its security, as much as needed to respond effectively to new threats from Al-kaeda or other terrorist organizations.

Edward Snowden´s actions have effectively exposed America´s National Security´s secrets to its enemies. Such "shit" represents the ultimate tools that the country needs to effectively detect and deter its enemies from any threats to is security.

The unprecedented actions of Snowden have caused a major setback to the NSA´s capabilities, and is allowing Snowden to single handedly expose highly secret information on potential threats, extremely valuable information for the defense of the United States.

It is of very serious concern that Snowden might have already dared to transfer sensitive "shit",or american sensitive miltary technology, to Russia and/or China. Finally, this matter is an unprecedented blow to the United States of America. And one that should demand more tan words from Putin and Russia.











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Response to Catherina (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:26 AM

47. Where is the "Snowden made no Difference" crowd? Crickets? n-t

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Response to Logical (Reply #47)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 01:14 PM

57. Takes a bit for the pro's to make sense of this for us.

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Response to Paulie (Reply #57)

Sun Sep 15, 2013, 04:39 PM

59. +1000



RL

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