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The curtain is pulled back, and....
[font size=3]John Kerry is meeting with Kissinger today for advice on Syria[/font]
"It can't happen heeeeere,
cause I've been checking it out"
Bragi
(7,650 posts)I was hoping I'd go home today and, finally, at long last, the plastics all melted, and so is the chrome.
MichaelSoE
(1,576 posts)my secret thoughts are still mine and i only have to attempt to filter out what they want me to believe.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)like collaborating with Kissinger.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)kentuck
(110,950 posts)Is he that stupid or is this a move for bipartisan support?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)bahrbearian
(13,466 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)Their type loves anniversaries so.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)dballance
(5,756 posts)Considering Nixon and Kissinger were in office when there was still a USSR and both sides had one finger firmly planted on the buttons of MAD and now we're in a completely different environment politically and economically I can totally see why his counsel is requested.
Putin is waving his penis just like US leaders do to try to remain relevant. In this case, if it keeps us from entering into a civil war which has no direct threat to the US and it prevents us from bombing more people in an act that will only inflame the rhetoric that the US is pursuing a war on Muslims then I'm okay to let Putin win this round.
pscot
(21,023 posts)and partners. A meeting with Kerry is worth millions in consulting fees.
wandy
(3,539 posts)disidoro01
(302 posts)Has anyone been listening to Kerry in the last two weeks. He has been off the chain crazy. We can talk strategy all day long but Kerry wanted to bomb the shit out of Assad. I'm guessing it's because Kerry had to pick the check up when they dined together in 2009.
Being slighted like that sticks with a person
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)on the article about Zuckerberg saying the govt "blew it" on the NSA. (A lame attempt to prevent further damage from having been an obedient traitor to his customers, imho).
The most recommended (600+) comment goes as follows:
"Secret courts, secret laws, and secret interpretations of laws have absolutely no place in a democracy. Moreover, their existence surely precludes a society having any right to call itself a democracy.
America has clearly become a fascist, authoritarian state: non-transparent, dictating to its citizens laws that have been created in secret."
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and USA's "Intelligence" agencies are among the worst "terrorists"
on the freaking planet.
The US needs to get over itself being the "cop of the world",
but not just the cop, also the judge, jury and executioner of
the world.
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)behaving like judge, jury and executioner doesn't make sense, given the response to possible war on Syria.
Be it in discussions about the US, Russia, or Germany in the eurozone crisis, I keep reminding myself to differentiate between the governments of a country and its people. I don't know when the disconnnect between those two has ever been so great. It's very worthwile to check out the comments on the (conservative quality newspaper) Frankfurter Allgemeine.
I have strong doubts we live in democracies. But I don't doubt that people are waking up.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)US, EU, RUSSIA, CHINA.
The Plutocrats OWN Them All.
BelgianMadCow
(5,379 posts)"We project that the plutonomies (the U.S., UK, and Canada) will likely see even more income inequality, disproportionately feeding off a further rise in the profit share in their economies, capitalist-friendly governments, more technology-driven productivity, and globalization."
full memo linked here:
http://rwer.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/citigroup-attempts-to-disappear-its-plutonomy-report-2/
So here, Citigroup doesn't throw the EU, Russia and China "on the pile". From my point of view, only the EU wasn't a plutocracy. Then came the EUrozone crisis and now it's full steam ahead...
postulater
(5,075 posts)And when it's gonna change, my friend, is anybody's guess."
I memorized entire albums of his in the late 60s lying on my parent's living room floor with my head between the speakers.
It was a message I heard nowhere else.
alsame
(7,784 posts)John Kerry would better serve the cause of peace by consulting with those like Garces who have spent their lives pursuing peace. The only reason Henry Kissinger should be pursued is to be held accountable, like Pinochet, in a court of law."
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/kerry_kissinger_and_the_other_sept_11_20130911/?ln
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)The curtain is now being pulled back and I sure don't like what I see.
randr
(12,408 posts)over Madeleine Albright speaks volumes.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)That curtain was pulled back years ago:
Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)Some other poor fuck has to pay !!! I hope there is a hell for these pieces of shit!!
He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past. ~George Orwell, 1984
Quit then Kerry if you don't have any good ideas. You are spineless now for some season, oh shit I should of guessed, BIG OIL and PNAC! One hell of a good reason to sell out. Coward!
TroglodyteScholar
(5,477 posts)But so much of what he said over the years still holds true....
Initech
(99,914 posts)ET Awful
(24,753 posts)and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. - Animal Farm, George Orwell
n/t
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)he got this job. He is like the buddy you worked with for years and he gets a promotion to foreman and turns into a kiss ass company man, and tries to work your ass off. Bully.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)The only people left not staring at the brick wall are those that have their eyes squeezed shut.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)"Because Obama."
(He's friends with Jay Z!"
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)made irrelevant as the decision had already been made long ago. Our remaining choices going forward come down to which group of huge, parasitic corporations you prefer to grow at the expense of American workers, the brick wall.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)"Weasels Rip My Flesh."
Junkdrawer
(27,993 posts)If you think Assad was brutal when his gloves came off....
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I can take an hour on the Tower of Power as long as I gets me a golden shower.
Oh man oh man, I'm so fantastic...
scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Feasts on the blood of infants, bathes in the blood of fresh-killed virgins, powders his hair with the ground bones of his victims. Oh, yes, the zombie vampire statesman himself. The walking Curse of the World. Foul creature of the charnel ground.
Like Kerry, I would meet with him - unlike Kerry, I would come armed with a sharpened wooden stake and a heavy mallet.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan
Secretary of State John Kerry is consulting Henry Kissinger, the 90-year-old embodiment of Cold War foreign policy, before heading off to negotiate with his Russian counterpart over Syrias chemical weapons.
After meeting today with former Secretary Kissinger at the State Department, Kerry will bring other U.S.-Russia specialists on his plane when he flies to Geneva for two days of meetings starting tomorrow with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, according to a U.S. official who asked not to be identified because he wasnt authorized to comment.
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Though the meeting with Kissinger was planned before the latest developments in Syria, Kerry was eager to draw on the older mans experience in communicating effectively with Russian diplomats, the U.S. official said. Kissinger pioneered the policy of détente with the Soviet Union and served as secretary of State and national security adviser to Republican President Richard Nixon. The U.S. official described Kerry as a fan of Kissingers 1994 book, Diplomacy.
<...>
Early last year, Kissinger met in Moscow to discuss world affairs with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, whose press secretary described the men as old friends and said that they had previously met eight to 10 times, including over dinner at Kissingers home in New York...In Putins book First Person, he recounted a conversation with Kissinger in the early 1990s when Putin, then an aide to the mayor of St. Petersburg, picked up the German-born American diplomat at the airport.
Kissinger impressed Putin by saying that he too got his start as an intelligence specialist, and that former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev withdrew his nations forces from Eastern Europe too quickly.
I told him what I thought and I will repeat it now: Kissinger was right, Putin wrote.
- more -
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-09-11/kerry-consults-kissinger-on-getting-to-yes-with-old-foe-russians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023649540
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Surprise is for chumps.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Hello Henry, it's like you never left.
Deny and Shred
(1,061 posts)Like TV for instance - I'm The Slime from 1973
I am gross and perverted Im obsessed and deranged
I have existed for years But very little had changed
I am the tool of the government And industry too
For I am destined to rule And regulate you
I may be vile and pernicious But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get Have you guessed me yet?
I am the slime oozin out From your tv set
You will obey me while I lead you And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you Don't got for help...no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told Until the rights to you are sold
That's right, folks ... Don't touch that dial
Well, I am the slime from your video Oozin along on your livingroom floor
I am the slime from your video Cant stop the slime, people, lookit me go
Another thing was his take on narrowing retro movements from his autobiography. He observed that American culture was embrtacing retro things that were increasingly recent. Eventually, we would go retro to now, and cultural growth would stagnate.
stlsaxman
(9,236 posts)MuseRider
(34,058 posts)I did not think of that. Good observation. All we need do is slip him one thin mint (I think that was the line).
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MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)shotten99
(622 posts)Even though Kissinger has been wrong about almost everything, doesn't mean he shouldn't be heard. I mean this half-jokingly, I should add.