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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:15 PM Sep 2013

The Moment that Frank Zappa warned us about?

[font size=3]“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” [/font]---Prophet & Philosopher Frank Zappa



The curtain is pulled back, and....

[font size=3]John Kerry is meeting with Kissinger today for advice on Syria[/font]




"It can't happen heeeeere,
cause I've been checking it out"
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The Moment that Frank Zappa warned us about? (Original Post) bvar22 Sep 2013 OP
I'm disappointed Bragi Sep 2013 #1
luckily the brain police can only broadcast and not receive at the moment. MichaelSoE Sep 2013 #45
Nothing says "looking forward" dgibby Sep 2013 #2
+10 good one. ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #22
Why would Kerry do this?? kentuck Sep 2013 #3
The expressed reason is that Kerry wants to learn from Kissinger's experience dealing with Russia. PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #5
Or he is asking how he can avoid International Court if he decides on a coup somewhere. bahrbearian Sep 2013 #6
A cynic might say that's why he met with Kissinger on the anniversary day of Chile's coup. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2013 #7
Thanks for that bit of info. MelungeonWoman Sep 2013 #16
Not just the anniversary, but the 40th anniversary. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #21
+1 alsame Sep 2013 #8
Well that makes total sense - NOT. dballance Sep 2013 #48
To reassure Dr.K.'s clients pscot Sep 2013 #38
+1 rtassi Sep 2013 #41
Discusting. wandy Sep 2013 #4
Why is this surprising? disidoro01 Sep 2013 #9
I happened to be reading the comments at the Guardian BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #10
/\This. snagglepuss Sep 2013 #13
+100 yep. BREAKING NEWS: the cold war is over 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #25
funny thing is, it would seem that the US public indeed thinks BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #28
We live in a worldwide plutocracy. Amonester Sep 2013 #49
I take it you are familiar with the plutonomy report from Citigroup? BelgianMadCow Sep 2013 #58
"Every day is just another rotten mess. postulater Sep 2013 #11
"Rather than meeting with Kissinger for advice, alsame Sep 2013 #12
That is a perfect example Oilwellian Sep 2013 #14
The fact that he chose Killinger randr Sep 2013 #15
Really? Oilwellian Sep 2013 #24
We think the price is worth it?Yeah because Theyletmeeatcake2 Sep 2013 #40
K&R DeSwiss Sep 2013 #17
WTF BlueJac Sep 2013 #18
I long to hear what Zappa's take on today's world would be... TroglodyteScholar Sep 2013 #19
Oh I know, FZ was truly a man ahead of his time! Initech Sep 2013 #50
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig . . . . ET Awful Sep 2013 #20
Indeed. arikara Sep 2013 #56
Kerry is even acting weird since sorefeet Sep 2013 #23
2009 - 2010. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #26
And that is, truedelphi Sep 2013 #30
It wasn't because the President was elected, more the President's election was Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #37
Yes, it is. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #27
Whenever K's name is mentioned, truedelphi Sep 2013 #29
And THAT'S when it gets real.... Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #31
Wasn't it also Zappa that said... NightWatcher Sep 2013 #32
Kissinger, the undead. So thoroughly evil even Hell won't have him. scarletwoman Sep 2013 #33
I am wondering why they would consult Henry. Any ideas? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #34
Kissinger has close ties to Putin and Russia ProSense Sep 2013 #35
This is what can happen when you don't prosecute war criminals. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #36
^^This^^ 99Forever Sep 2013 #39
Dr. Strangelove himself dreamnightwind Sep 2013 #42
Frank was right about a lot. Deny and Shred Sep 2013 #43
Well, well, well... looks like they found "Dr. Henry Creosote" stlsaxman Sep 2013 #44
Of the many things I thought when I saw that picture MuseRider Sep 2013 #57
K&R NealK Sep 2013 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author NealK Sep 2013 #47
No depth to which they won't sink MotherPetrie Sep 2013 #51
What Zappa said. What Zappa said. Octafish Sep 2013 #52
C'mon people. shotten99 Sep 2013 #53
Why is Kissinger still alive when we have all these drones lying around? LuvNewcastle Sep 2013 #54
Ah... that fresh smell of hope and change m/t Catherina Sep 2013 #55
kick woo me with science Sep 2013 #59

Bragi

(7,650 posts)
1. I'm disappointed
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:21 PM
Sep 2013

I was hoping I'd go home today and, finally, at long last, the plastics all melted, and so is the chrome.

MichaelSoE

(1,576 posts)
45. luckily the brain police can only broadcast and not receive at the moment.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 09:43 AM
Sep 2013

my secret thoughts are still mine and i only have to attempt to filter out what they want me to believe.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
48. Well that makes total sense - NOT.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:23 AM
Sep 2013

Considering Nixon and Kissinger were in office when there was still a USSR and both sides had one finger firmly planted on the buttons of MAD and now we're in a completely different environment politically and economically I can totally see why his counsel is requested.

Putin is waving his penis just like US leaders do to try to remain relevant. In this case, if it keeps us from entering into a civil war which has no direct threat to the US and it prevents us from bombing more people in an act that will only inflame the rhetoric that the US is pursuing a war on Muslims then I'm okay to let Putin win this round.

pscot

(21,023 posts)
38. To reassure Dr.K.'s clients
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:19 PM
Sep 2013

and partners. A meeting with Kerry is worth millions in consulting fees.

disidoro01

(302 posts)
9. Why is this surprising?
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:56 PM
Sep 2013

Has anyone been listening to Kerry in the last two weeks. He has been off the chain crazy. We can talk strategy all day long but Kerry wanted to bomb the shit out of Assad. I'm guessing it's because Kerry had to pick the check up when they dined together in 2009.
Being slighted like that sticks with a person

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
10. I happened to be reading the comments at the Guardian
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:59 PM
Sep 2013

on the article about Zuckerberg saying the govt "blew it" on the NSA. (A lame attempt to prevent further damage from having been an obedient traitor to his customers, imho).

The most recommended (600+) comment goes as follows:

"Secret courts, secret laws, and secret interpretations of laws have absolutely no place in a democracy. Moreover, their existence surely precludes a society having any right to call itself a democracy.

America has clearly become a fascist, authoritarian state: non-transparent, dictating to its citizens laws that have been created in secret."

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
25. +100 yep. BREAKING NEWS: the cold war is over
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:08 PM
Sep 2013

and USA's "Intelligence" agencies are among the worst "terrorists"
on the freaking planet.

The US needs to get over itself being the "cop of the world",
but not just the cop, also the judge, jury and executioner of
the world.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
28. funny thing is, it would seem that the US public indeed thinks
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:34 PM
Sep 2013

behaving like judge, jury and executioner doesn't make sense, given the response to possible war on Syria.

Be it in discussions about the US, Russia, or Germany in the eurozone crisis, I keep reminding myself to differentiate between the governments of a country and its people. I don't know when the disconnnect between those two has ever been so great. It's very worthwile to check out the comments on the (conservative quality newspaper) Frankfurter Allgemeine.

I have strong doubts we live in democracies. But I don't doubt that people are waking up.

BelgianMadCow

(5,379 posts)
58. I take it you are familiar with the plutonomy report from Citigroup?
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 03:40 PM
Sep 2013

"We project that the plutonomies (the U.S., UK, and Canada) will likely see even more income inequality, disproportionately feeding off a further rise in the profit share in their economies, capitalist-friendly governments, more technology-driven productivity, and globalization."

full memo linked here:
http://rwer.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/citigroup-attempts-to-disappear-its-plutonomy-report-2/

So here, Citigroup doesn't throw the EU, Russia and China "on the pile". From my point of view, only the EU wasn't a plutocracy. Then came the EUrozone crisis and now it's full steam ahead...

postulater

(5,075 posts)
11. "Every day is just another rotten mess.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:59 PM
Sep 2013

And when it's gonna change, my friend, is anybody's guess."

I memorized entire albums of his in the late 60s lying on my parent's living room floor with my head between the speakers.

It was a message I heard nowhere else.

alsame

(7,784 posts)
12. "Rather than meeting with Kissinger for advice,
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:59 PM
Sep 2013

John Kerry would better serve the cause of peace by consulting with those like Garces who have spent their lives pursuing peace. The only reason Henry Kissinger should be pursued is to be held accountable, like Pinochet, in a court of law."

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/kerry_kissinger_and_the_other_sept_11_20130911/?ln

Theyletmeeatcake2

(348 posts)
40. We think the price is worth it?Yeah because
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 08:12 AM
Sep 2013

Some other poor fuck has to pay !!! I hope there is a hell for these pieces of shit!!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
17. K&R
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:28 PM
Sep 2013

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” ~George Orwell, 1984

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
18. WTF
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:30 PM
Sep 2013

Quit then Kerry if you don't have any good ideas. You are spineless now for some season, oh shit I should of guessed, BIG OIL and PNAC! One hell of a good reason to sell out. Coward!

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
19. I long to hear what Zappa's take on today's world would be...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:41 PM
Sep 2013

But so much of what he said over the years still holds true....

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
20. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig . . . .
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which. - Animal Farm, George Orwell

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
23. Kerry is even acting weird since
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:05 PM
Sep 2013

he got this job. He is like the buddy you worked with for years and he gets a promotion to foreman and turns into a kiss ass company man, and tries to work your ass off. Bully.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
26. 2009 - 2010.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

The only people left not staring at the brick wall are those that have their eyes squeezed shut.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
37. It wasn't because the President was elected, more the President's election was
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 09:50 PM
Sep 2013

made irrelevant as the decision had already been made long ago. Our remaining choices going forward come down to which group of huge, parasitic corporations you prefer to grow at the expense of American workers, the brick wall.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
32. Wasn't it also Zappa that said...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 06:11 PM
Sep 2013

I can take an hour on the Tower of Power as long as I gets me a golden shower.

Oh man oh man, I'm so fantastic...

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
33. Kissinger, the undead. So thoroughly evil even Hell won't have him.
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:23 PM
Sep 2013

Feasts on the blood of infants, bathes in the blood of fresh-killed virgins, powders his hair with the ground bones of his victims. Oh, yes, the zombie vampire statesman himself. The walking Curse of the World. Foul creature of the charnel ground.

Like Kerry, I would meet with him - unlike Kerry, I would come armed with a sharpened wooden stake and a heavy mallet.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
35. Kissinger has close ties to Putin and Russia
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:32 PM
Sep 2013
Kerry Consults Kissinger on Getting to Yes With Russians

By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan

Secretary of State John Kerry is consulting Henry Kissinger, the 90-year-old embodiment of Cold War foreign policy, before heading off to negotiate with his Russian counterpart over Syria’s chemical weapons.

After meeting today with former Secretary Kissinger at the State Department, Kerry will bring other U.S.-Russia specialists on his plane when he flies to Geneva for two days of meetings starting tomorrow with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, according to a U.S. official who asked not to be identified because he wasn’t authorized to comment.

<...>

Though the meeting with Kissinger was planned before the latest developments in Syria, Kerry was eager to draw on the older man’s experience in communicating effectively with Russian diplomats, the U.S. official said. Kissinger pioneered the policy of détente with the Soviet Union and served as secretary of State and national security adviser to Republican President Richard Nixon. The U.S. official described Kerry as a fan of Kissinger’s 1994 book, “Diplomacy.”

<...>

Early last year, Kissinger met in Moscow to discuss world affairs with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, whose press secretary described the men as “old friends” and said that they had previously met eight to 10 times, including over dinner at Kissinger’s home in New York...In Putin’s book “First Person,” he recounted a conversation with Kissinger in the early 1990s when Putin, then an aide to the mayor of St. Petersburg, picked up the German-born American diplomat at the airport.

Kissinger impressed Putin by saying that he too got his start as an intelligence specialist, and that former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev withdrew his nation’s forces from Eastern Europe too quickly.

“I told him what I thought and I will repeat it now: Kissinger was right,” Putin wrote.

- more -

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-09-11/kerry-consults-kissinger-on-getting-to-yes-with-old-foe-russians

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023649540

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
43. Frank was right about a lot.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 08:29 AM
Sep 2013

Like TV for instance - I'm The Slime from 1973

I am gross and perverted Im obsessed and deranged
I have existed for years But very little had changed
I am the tool of the government And industry too
For I am destined to rule And regulate you

I may be vile and pernicious But you can't look away
I make you think I'm delicious With the stuff that I say
I am the best you can get Have you guessed me yet?
I am the slime oozin out From your tv set

You will obey me while I lead you And eat the garbage that I feed you
Until the day that we don't need you Don't got for help...no one will heed you
Your mind is totally controlled It has been stuffed into my mold
And you will do as you are told Until the rights to you are sold

That's right, folks ... Don't touch that dial

Well, I am the slime from your video Oozin along on your livingroom floor

I am the slime from your video Cant stop the slime, people, lookit me go


Another thing was his take on narrowing retro movements from his autobiography. He observed that American culture was embrtacing retro things that were increasingly recent. Eventually, we would go retro to now, and cultural growth would stagnate.

MuseRider

(34,058 posts)
57. Of the many things I thought when I saw that picture
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 02:22 PM
Sep 2013

I did not think of that. Good observation. All we need do is slip him one thin mint (I think that was the line).

Response to bvar22 (Original post)

shotten99

(622 posts)
53. C'mon people.
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 01:20 PM
Sep 2013

Even though Kissinger has been wrong about almost everything, doesn't mean he shouldn't be heard. I mean this half-jokingly, I should add.

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