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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:41 PM

Vladimir Putin New York Times Op-Ed — Calls Out American Exceptionalism

The piece urges against a strike in Syria, saying that an attack would only escalate the situation, and that the world is against it.

He also says he believes the gas attack was not done by Assad, but by rebels hoping to provoke an intervention.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.


The final paragraph of the op-ed is actually the most intense, as it directly responds to Obama's Tuesday night speech, and really one of America's core beliefs:

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American Exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-nyt-op-ed-2013-9#ixzz2eddoXDcL

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Reply Vladimir Putin New York Times Op-Ed — Calls Out American Exceptionalism (Original post)
grahamhgreen Sep 2013 OP
NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #1
KoKo Sep 2013 #4
treestar Sep 2013 #16
dballance Sep 2013 #46
NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #48
TreasonousBastard Sep 2013 #2
Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #47
Awknid Sep 2013 #3
kentuck Sep 2013 #5
msongs Sep 2013 #6
dionysus Sep 2013 #8
DevonRex Sep 2013 #7
dionysus Sep 2013 #10
DevonRex Sep 2013 #21
UtahLib Sep 2013 #14
NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #17
treestar Sep 2013 #18
joshcryer Sep 2013 #24
Autumn Sep 2013 #9
Hydra Sep 2013 #11
DevonRex Sep 2013 #23
sheshe2 Sep 2013 #70
geek tragedy Sep 2013 #65
cprise Sep 2013 #73
UtahLib Sep 2013 #12
nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #13
UtahLib Sep 2013 #15
nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #22
UtahLib Sep 2013 #38
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orenbus Sep 2013 #41
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orenbus Sep 2013 #68
cprise Sep 2013 #75
UtahLib Sep 2013 #43
nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #58
UtahLib Sep 2013 #67
treestar Sep 2013 #20
UtahLib Sep 2013 #26
treestar Sep 2013 #27
geek tragedy Sep 2013 #45
joshcryer Sep 2013 #28
cprise Sep 2013 #76
DeSwiss Sep 2013 #64
CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #19
davidpdx Sep 2013 #32
CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #34
davidpdx Sep 2013 #35
CakeGrrl Sep 2013 #51
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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:42 PM

1. Putin. He's So Jealous!

Typical egomaniac, wants to fluff himself, lol.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:02 PM

4. Well.........

's. I have always liked "A Balance of Power."

Keeps USA in the Straight and Narrow....

After all...the ONLY BULLY IN TOWN...eventually gets Run Out...on a Rail with Tar and Feathers all over themselves.

Wouldn't want that...

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:41 PM

16. Yep, they are not a superpower any more

So they veto the UN doing anything. and there he is talking about the UN?

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:58 PM

46. Your assessment of Putin seems to apply to you.

Seems the same phrases can be used to describe you given your posting history.

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Response to dballance (Reply #46)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:00 AM

48. You are ADORABLE!!!








Star Member dballance (4,278 posts)
46. Your assessment of Putin seems to apply to you.

Last edited Wed Sep 11, 2013, 08:59 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Seems the same phrases can be used to describe you given your posting history.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 09:59 PM

2. He should have posted it here.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:00 AM

47. We could use the publicity.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:03 PM

5. But...

Did he bang his shoe on the desk?

Although I think he might be putting too much stock into the idea of American "exceptionalism"?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:06 PM

6. so Putin believes in "the lord"...thus his love of glbt people. lookout, planet nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:08 PM

8. hey, we get to agree on something!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:07 PM

7. Putin is a hypocritical asshole who blocked UN action. Fuck him. Equal? Except LGBTs.

People need to realize he has a long list of people who aren't as equal as others, just in case you're willing to overlook the LGBT law. And you should not overlook it. Nor should you overlook that they are turning a blind eye, even encouraging, Neo-Nazis to lure LGBTs out of their homes to beat them up and call the state police to jail them. And now, the legislature wants to take the kids of LGBTs away.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:10 PM

10. do you have PDS? you might offend the followers of his cult of personality\cheerleaders\apologists\

pom pom wavers, ect.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:52 PM

21. Who, me?

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:35 PM

14. Could not agree more.

But he certainly seems to have the proper code words down when it comes to winning the approval of people who should know better. Yeah, let's trust this benevolent monster.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:42 PM

17. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Or something like that.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:43 PM

18. +1

Of all the nerve. A very backward society, no longer a superpower, trying to stay relevant and lecture the only remaining superpower! When he's the one whose "client" state used actual chemical weapons. Shameful.



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Response to DevonRex (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:57 PM

24. Yep. Worst of all are the RT supporters.

RT being a blatantly homophobic propaganda outlet for the Russian state view.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:08 PM

9. I really do hope that his relationship with Obama does grow in trust.

There would be no down side to it, that would be a world changing event.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:20 PM

11. Our real failure is allowing Putin to become "The Good Guy"

He isn't. In any way. Yet with Snowden and Syria, he was able to take the moral high ground because the WH somehow lost it on the way to "Legacy."

Failure of epic proportions...

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Response to Hydra (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:56 PM

23. GMAFB. I am sick of people always looking for an Obama failure.

Anybody who buys Putin as the 'good guy' has one brain cell desperately searching for another to rub against - without success.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:43 AM

70. Ah, Devon. It appears they need a new hero....

Snowed-in Now we have Putin

Yikes! Give me the BOG any day!

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Response to Hydra (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:28 AM

65. How has the man who has done more to prevent the UN

from resolving Syria than anyone else occupying the moral high ground? How is they guy who's sponsoring and arming Assad the good guy?

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Response to Hydra (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:12 AM

73. This is risable

Or it ought to be.

America has virtually taken over the trafficking of arms to 3rd world countries, and Americans still have the gall to indulge an infotainment complex that portrays every Russian as evil unless they're desperately trying to get into "Amyeddikka". I.e. there is no good Russian unless they are a "Balky".

You know, the anti-gay law in Russia would not be out of place in the American South. And the insults Putin's party has visited upon democracy in his country... well, the same. Your outrage and demonizing would probably be better directed at India.


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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:24 PM

12. Is that what he's doing,

helping Russia find it's way to democracy while asking for the Lord's blessing. Let me guess which segment of America he might be targeting. If nothing else, he's a canny bastard.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:26 PM

13. Nah, that was a direct reference to this

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness


Jefferson was a genius.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:39 PM

15. Which, coming from Putin's mouth, is a travesty. n/t

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:55 PM

22. To those of us who grew up OUTSIDE the US

and who still travel abroad, we know this... the principles are still admired. The US, not so much.

And no, it is not a travesty. It was not calculated to please you, but calculated as a message to the chattering classes and the WH.

I got a bad case of flashback to the 1930s reading that essay. But I guess it takes knowing history to get it.

It is a remarkable piece of writing for the multiple layers that I am betting will be missed by quite a few.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:30 PM

38. Actually,

having been born to a father who served 30 years in the Air Force, I have lived in countries other than America. We were stationed in Spain during Franco's reign where I was able to witness the damage that can be inflicted on the people of a country ruled by dictator.

I was being sarcastic in my first post. I have a pretty good grasp of history and am perfectly able to discern Putin's message and to whom it was directed.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #38)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:32 PM

39. Ok, whatever, use the sarcasm tag

it is the internet. and that is a serious piece of advise.

As to Franco, yup, and what the US is becoming is not nice either.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:44 PM

41. So...

In other words are you saying Putin is playing multi-dimensional chess and he just called check-mate?

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Response to orenbus (Reply #41)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:24 AM

62. Nope, I am not

but you might think that for whatever reasons you might want to think that.

Some of us read history and realize how remarkable this is.

Try to keep up and add information. What else entered the Med today? The Moskva and her battle group. That my friend is ANOTHER hell of a diplomatic signal.

Unlike some here, some of us are interested in international relations, not stupid games you guys like to play.

By the way, if you answer or not, is imaterial, I will proceed to put you on ignore. I will not waste my time with useless banter

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Response to orenbus (Reply #68)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:24 AM

75. Now there is a perfectly ironic American response

A small child on "meds" with her plastic-y compliment.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:52 PM

43. Thanks for the advice.

I wasn't coming down on you but what might be perceived as condescension does not sit well with most people.

Peace

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #43)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:20 AM

58. You know what? I got a solution

Goodbye

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #58)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:30 AM

67. Wow, hope that made you feel better. n/t

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:43 PM

20. It's my understanding it's been getting worse for Russia

And they've been losing ground on Democracy.

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Response to treestar (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:58 PM

26. Which is why I simply do not understand

why he should receive accolades from Democracy loving people for gratuitously spouting platitudes referencing ideals that he has no intention of allowing in his own country.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:59 PM

27. +1

Absolutely. The limits on freedom of speech for just one thing, are appalling.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:55 PM

45. The enemy of their enemy is their friend.

For much of the ideological left, U.S. power and influence is the single greatest threat to humanity.

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Response to treestar (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:59 PM

28. Yep, the neonazi fascists are taking over Russia.

The vote has been repeatedly questioned there, there have been major discrepancies in the vote, and electronic voting machines are regularly used. Meanwhile many oligarchs have risen to power under Putin (while Putin did crack down on some it was more the ones who didn't fit the Putinist line, as opposed to their being rich).

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Response to treestar (Reply #20)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:26 AM

76. Well you know... pot...

meet kettle.

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Response to UtahLib (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:27 AM

64. Well....

...he's canny enough to know they'll work, because what he's saying is true. It's no testament to him or his general veracity, per se. He's just got the upper hand here and he's using it. Good on him!

If it takes an old Commie playing world politics to help stop more baby killing, then I'll take it. Meanwhile, America is neither a democracy nor a republic. It's an empire. That's why we have so many military bases all over the world. We have to intimidate others protect our interests.

- We're a modern-day Rome. Ending and all.....

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:43 PM

19. Principles? WHAT Principles?

Who cares what authoritarianism he practices at home on journalists and LGBT?

Isn't his Op-Ed GRRRREEAAAT???

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:05 PM

32. CakeGrrl, you take the cake

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:09 PM

34. I'm just...we're through the looking-glass here.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:10 PM

35. I'm just poking at you

While agreeing with you at the same time.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #35)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:13 AM

51. Oh, I know.

I'm just SMH at the crazy/angry/weirdness that has overtaken this forum lately.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #51)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:43 AM

71. It certainly has.

Is it something in the water? A virus sent through our monitors? This place has been a bit off the rails lately, I agree.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #51)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:30 AM

83. There has been some crazy ass stuff going around

I have been pleasantly surprised to see a few people who were nothing but negative have a change of heart. Even the BOG has been getting pummeled lately.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:57 PM

25. I think someone should nominate Putin for the Nobel Peace Prize.

That's all he probably really wants.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #25)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:59 PM

29. Wait for it...it's probably not far off.

After all, some bright minds were praising the racist "OathKeepers" for the Snowden love.

Crazy bedfellows.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:00 PM

30. Actually, Putin stated America's core beliefs better than Obama did.


The sad thing is, Obama doesn't even believe in this idiotic "exceptionalism" garbage - he just donned that red-white-and-blue robe to make himself look sufficiently patriotic for election purposes.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:05 PM

33. That is because those silly principles

albeit not the exceptionalism part, are admired around the world... people like THE THEORY, and Jefferson and the Federalists are read by intellectuals in other countries. He was also KGB, so he learned about the US in deep ways, like spies around the world do. They learn about their targets.

This was a very calculated and well done piece, chockfull of warnings and references to the last pre WW period.

My take, since Einstein warned the world about WW III and WW IV, this was a warning for the US to stop being stupid and stop throwing it's weight around and ignoring international law, the international order we did indeed set up, including the veto at the UNSC.

I am sure people at State, the Pentagon, a few think tanks, and the WH, got it. It was not veiled at all.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:02 PM

31. If a strike would escalate, how would it help the rebels?

Putin is an asshole for calling for diplomacy only after the threat of force was used by the United States.

He had two weeks to call for a diplomatic solution.

What a sorry piece of shit Putin is.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:20 PM

36. I am glad to read point One and I have to say he's right on the Second point.

It's a good thing he feel trust towards President Obama, and he is correct that American exceptionalism is a problem.

Definitely we're not the only nation or people who think this way, but we do have a problem.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:22 PM

37. a worthy indictment of 'American Exceptionalism'

 

a concept, that american citizens have nothing but blood and treasure lost to show for it

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Response to markiv (Reply #37)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:27 AM

77. +1

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:44 PM

40. I oppose action in Syria, but I do believe in American exceptionalism.

Well, not just American exceptionalism-- rather, that countries that have the power to do good things sometimes have the responsibility to do good things. There are a few such countries today, and U.S. is clearly one of them.

My opposition to involvement in Syria is mostly because I don't see how our intervention will help anything and could quite likely make things worse. But I do think when there are serious crimes against humanity happening, the U.S. and other wealthy or powerful nations have a responsibility to act where others may not.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:52 PM

42. DU descends into stereotype, embracing Russian dictator because of his

anti-American stance.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:15 AM

53. Everything, I mean everything is conditioned on whether one is "anti-US."

Everything. Every-fucking-thing.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #53)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:17 AM

55. Gaddhafi had his fans around here. Assad has his apologists.

The best way to insult a dictator is to accuse him of bring a flunky of the US.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #55)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:21 AM

60. The worst for me is Maduro.

Openly homophobic bigot, praised, I swear at times, just to fucking rile me up. I frequent the Latin American forum and some of the most egregious posters would follow me there and chime in about shit.

It sucks because some of these actors are just little known nobodies and no one would understand the context but if you came out and started openly praising Macky Sall or something you'd get a permaban fairly quick because people would care to dig up his position on stuff. But if it's a "left leaning" person (not literally, I think Maduro is a right wing conservative, who uses faux-populism to rally the left), or an "anti-US" person you have free reign.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #60)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:26 AM

63. I know a professional activist (using both terms loosely)

who assumed Nicaragua's government would be good on women's issues because they're leftwing.

She will soon be a 'former professional activist.'

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:19 AM

57. Too true. Sigh. Maybe tomorrow will be better. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #57)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:20 AM

59. Oh, wait until 2016 primary season. if you don't care strongly

who wins, great spectating.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #59)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:22 AM

61. +1!

Going to be great. And I know a lot of our Putin lovers are going to get perma'd. Can't wait.

(Some of the more messed up ones will lie low though.)

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:53 PM

44. It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motive

so very true imo too

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:04 AM

49. It is time for the United States to stop acting like it's an empire....

We claim we believe in Democracy and yet we subvert it when the people chose someone that's not on the payroll.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:11 AM

50. Swoooonn!!!

 

Poorly poo is my hero!!!!!


The Putin worship is getting thick here just as my controversial "shirtless Putin" thread referenced.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:15 AM

52. Gays and religious minorities are protected in America. They are not protected in Russia.

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #52)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:16 AM

54. They're actually increasingly losing protections in Russia.

They had more freedoms five years ago than they do now. Hell, they had more freedoms a year ago than now.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:30 AM

66. That is what baffles me. The regression.

It is infuriating, honestly, that a major nation has been moving in that direction.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #66)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:35 AM

69. The anti-Putin activists are progressives.

So Putin has been channeling the right wing neonazi ultra nationalist element of Russia United to push back against the activists who have been protesting in Russia for years. No way to know for sure Putin's personal feelings. At one point he basically was neutral on it, live and let live, but after the law was passed he just denied that it was regressive at all.

The main argument used by the anti-gay law people is that it came with a very strong libel law so no one can falsely accuse anyone of being gay, but that doesn't prevent them from truthfully accusing people of being gay! Which is what the abuses have been about lately!

It's not really too surprising as we saw with the post Regan era policies of tearing down everything that we'd begun building under Carter.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:38 AM

79. And anyone who is not a white male is increasingly losing protections in the USA.

And not a peep out of the DU.

Whoa! Look! Shiny thing over there!

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Response to MattSh (Reply #79)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:41 AM

80. Did the US just recently pass a pro-white law?

Am I missing something?

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #80)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:56 AM

81. Well, duh.

Voter suppression laws are anti-minority, Josh.

Anti-choice laws are anti-woman.

And that covers anybody who is not white.

You don't have to pass "pro-white" laws to be pro-white.

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Response to MattSh (Reply #81)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:59 AM

82. Sorry, I was thinking federal.

Yes, that's atrocious, but you know it's state level, what Putin signed was federal, after a few of Russia's states had signed off on similar laws. It would be akin to the US signing voter suppression laws in at a federal level because a few states here voted for them. It's insane.

In the US there will always be states that have freer voting rights, in Russia there will never (until the law is overturned) be a place where an LGBT Russian can openly express themselves without risking "distributing gay propaganda."

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:17 AM

56. this is a slap to the tea party and the right wing

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:10 AM

72. It says to me that he likes to push buttons.

But I already knew that from some comments he made to other world leaders at the G20 last week. Not news, no biggie.

I'm surprised at how good his writing is, if he did it himself. It's interesting that a president of Russia would make the move of writing an Op Ed directly to the American people, you don't see that every day. I'll give him a few points for thinking outside the box and executing it well.

Other than that, it's hot air. Spin. An attempt to manipulate public opinion a bit, for some extra wiggle room. None of that matters at all.

Underlying the whole thing on a subliminal level, I get the feeling that Putin thinks this democratic thing is kind of fun, and sort of enjoys playing with it (as long as it benefits him). After all, what is writing an Op Ed? It's something we do all the time. Deep down, I think he admires it, in spite of himself. He'd screw us in a heartbeat but nevertheless, he'd equally like to be part of "the club" of leaders of nations that are old democracies.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:24 AM

74. To the 'American Exceptionalists' those things they believe make America great, actually make it

despicable and hateful in the eyes of the world.

The very idea of a people thinking their country is the greatest, wealthiest most powerful country in the world, by dint of some God given gift, is absurd.

I thought that idea died with the Romans and the Germans. American Exceptionalism is just Manifest Destiny by another name. It is an arrogant, foolish doctrine and viciously destructive.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:32 AM

78. It's time for all of the bigshot wannabee saviors get out of the ME.

All their "help" is accomplishing is making a horrible situation worse.

The whole crew are nothing but a pack of self-serving egomaniacs looking for statues of themselves.

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