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Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:50 AM

Newt has the signs of Malignant Narcissist Personality Disorder

Anyone who's life has been turned into Hell by a Narcissist knows that Newt is one. It isn't much of a jump to see these traits in Donald Trump, Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Scott Walker (Governor of Wisconsin) and many world leaders and public figures. The following is a list of 20 signs of Malignant Narcissist Personality Disorder. Follow the links or google for yourself. Sociopaths, psychopaths and bullies also fall into these categories. Everyone can apply this to someone in their lives or someone in the public eye. Your boss, your ex, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc.

1. THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR is skillfully deceptive and very convincing. Avoids accountability by diverting topics, dodging questions, and making up new lies, bluffs or threats when questioned. His memory is self serving as he denies past statements. Constant chaos and diverting from reality is their chosen environment.
Defense Strategy: Verify his words. Do not reveal anything about yourself - he'll use it against you. Head for the door when things don't add up. Don't ask him questions - you'll only be inviting more lies.


2. THE CONTRACT BREAKER agrees to anything then turns around and does the opposite. Marriage, Legal, Custody agreements, normal social/personal protocol are meaningless. This con artist will accuse you of being the contract breaker. Enjoys orchestrating legal action and playing the role of the 'poor me' victim.
Defense Strategy: Expect him to disregard any agreement. Have Plan B in place. Protect yourself financially and emotionally.

3. THE HIGH ROLLER Successfully plows and backstabs his way to the top. His family a disposable prop in his success facade. Is charismatic, eloquent and intelligent in his field, but often fakes abilities and credentials. Needs to have iron-fisted control, relying on his manipulation skills. Will ruthlessly support, exploit or target others in pursuit of his ever-changing agenda. Mercilessly abuses the power of his position. Uses treachery or terrorism to rule or govern. Potential problem or failure situations are delegated to others. A vindictive bully in the office with no social or personal conscience. Often suspicious and paranoid. Others may support him to further their own Mephistophelian objectives, but this wheeler-dealer leaves them holding the bag. Disappears quickly when consequences loom.
Defense Strategy: Keep your references and resume up to date. Don't get involved in anything illegal. Document thoroughly to protect yourself. Thwarting them may backlash with a cascade of retaliation. Be on the lookout and spot them running for office and vote them out. Educate yourself about corporate bullies


4. THE SEXUAL NARCISSIST is often hypersexual (male or female). Pornography, masturbation, incest are reported by his targets. Anything, anyone, young, old, male/female, are there for his gratification. This predator takes what is available. Can have a preference for 'sado-maso' sexuality. Often easily bored, he demands increasingly deviant stimulation. However, another behaviour exists, the one who withholds sex or emotional support.
Defense Strategy: Expect this type to try to degrade you. Get away from him. Expect him to tell lies about your sexuality to evade exposure of his own.

5. THE BLAME-GAME NARCISSIST never accepts responsibility. Blames others for his failures and circumstances. A master at projection.
Defense Strategy: Learn about projection. Don't take the bait when he blames you. He made the mess, let him clean it up.

6. THE VIOLENT NARCISSIST is a wife-Beater, Murderer, Serial Killer, Stalker, Terrorist. Has a 'chip-on-his-shoulder' attitude. He lashes out and destroys or uses others (particularly women and children) as scapegoats for his aggression or revenge. He has poor impulse control. Fearless and guiltless, he shows bad judgement. He anticipates betrayal, humiliation or punishment, imagines rejection and will reject first to 'get it over with'. He will harass and push to make you pay attention to him and get a reaction. He will try to make you look out of control. Can become dangerous and unpredictable. Has no remorse or regard for the rights of others.
Defense Strategy: Don't antagonize or tip your hand you're leaving. Ask for help from the police and shelters.

7. THE CONTROLLER/MANIPULATOR pits people against each other. Keeps his allies and targets separated. Is verbally skillful at twisting words and actions. Is charismatic and usually gets his way. Often undermines our support network and discourages us from seeing our family and friends. Money is often his objective. Other people's money is even better. He is ruthless, demanding and cruel. This control-freak bully wants you pregnant, isolated and financially dependent on him. Appears pitiful, confused and in need of help. We rush in to help him with our finances, assets, and talents. We may be used as his proxy interacting with others on his behalf as he sets us up to take the fall or enjoys the performance he is directing.
Defense Strategy: Know the 'nature of the beast'. Facing his failure and consequences will be his best lesson. Be suspicious of his motives, and avoid involvement. Don't bail him out.


8. THE SUBSTANCE ABUSER Alcohol, drugs, you name it, this N does it. We see his over-indulgence in food, exercise or sex and his need for instant gratification. Will want you to do likewise.
Defense Strategy: Don't sink to his level. Say No.


9. OUR "SOUL MATE" is cunning and knows who to select and who to avoid. He will come on strong, sweep us off our feet. He seems to have the same values, interests, goals, philosophies, tastes, habits. He admires our intellect, ambition, honesty and sincerity. He wants to marry us quickly. He fakes integrity, appears helpful, comforting, generous in his 'idealization' of us phase. It never lasts. Eventually Jekyll turns into Hyde. His discarded victims suffer emotional and financial devastation. He will very much enjoy the double-dipping attention he gets by cheating. We end the relationship and salvage what we can, or we are discarded quickly as he attaches to a "new perfect soul mate". He is an opportunistic parasite. Our "Knight in Shining Armor" has become our nightmare. Our healing is lengthy.
Defense Strategy: Seek therapy. Learn about this disorder. Know the red flags of their behaviour, and "If he seems too good to be true..." Hide the hurt you feel. Never let him see it. Be watchful for the internet predator.

10. THE QUIET NARCISSIST is socially withdrawn, often dirty, unkempt. Odd thinking is observed. Used as a disguise to appear pitiful to obtain whatever he can.

11. THE SADIST is now the fully-unmasked malignant narcissist. His objective is watching us dangle as he inflicts emotional, financial, physical and verbal cruelty. His enjoyment is all too obvious. He'll be back for more. His pleasure is in getting away with taking other people's assets. His target: women, children, the elderly, anyone vulnerabie.
Defense Strategy: Accept the Jekyll/Hyde reality. Make a "No Contact' rule. Avoid him altogether. End any avenue of vulnerability. Don't allow thoughts of his past 'good guy' image to lessen the reality of his disorder.

12. THE RAGER flies off the handle for little or no provocation. Has a severely disproportionate overreaction. Childish tantrums. His rage can be intimidating. He wants control, attention and compliance. In our hurt and confusion we struggle to make things right. Any reaction is his payoff. He seeks both good or bad attention. Even our fear, crying, yelling, screaming, name calling, hatred are his objectives. If he can get attention by cruelty he will do so.
Defense Strategy: Manage your responses. Be fully independent. Don't take the bait of his verbal abuse. Expect emotional hurt. Volence is possible.


13. THE BRAINWASHER is very charismatic. He is able to manipulate others to obtain status, control, compliance, money, attention. Often found in religion and politics. He masterfully targets the naive, vulnerable, uneducated or mentally weak.
Defense Strategy. Learn about brainwashing techniques. Listen to your gut instinct. Avoid them.

14. THE RISK-TAKING THRILL-SEEKER never learns from his past follies and bad judgment. Poor impulse control is a hallmark.
Defense Strategy: Don't get involved. Use your own good judgement. Say No.

15. THE PARANOID NARCISSIST is suspicious of everything usually for no reason. Terrified of exposure and may be dangerous if threatened. Suddenly ends relationships if he anticipates exposure or abandonment.
Defense Strategy: Give him no reason to be suspicious of you. Let some things slide. Protect yourself if you anticipate violence.


16. THE IMAGE MAKER will flaunt his 'toys', his children, his wife, his credentials and accomplishments. Admiration, attention, even glances from others, our envy or our fear are his objective. He is never satisfied. We see his arrogance and haughty strut as he demands center stage. He will alter his mask at will to appear pitiful, inept, solicitous, concerned, or haughty and superior. Appears the the perfect father, husband, friend - to those outside his home.
Defense Strategy: Ignore his childlike behaviours. Know his payoff is getting attention, deceiving or abusing others. Provide him with 'supply' to avert problems.

17. THE EMOTIONAL VACUUM is the cruellest blow of all. We learn his lack of empathy. He has deceived us by his cunning ability to mimic human emotions. We are left numbed by the realization. It is incomprehensible and painful. We now remember times we saw his cold vacant eyes and when he showed odd reactions. Those closest to him become objectified and expendable.
Defense Strategy: Face the reality. They can deceive trained professionals.

18. THE SAINTLY NARCISSIST proclaims high moral standing. Accuses others of immorality. "Hang 'em high" he says about the murderer on the 6:00 news. This hypocrite lies, cheats, schemes, corrupts, abuses, deceives, controls, manipulates and torments while portraying himself of high morals.
Defense Strategy: Learn the red flags of behaviour. Be suspicious of people claiming high morals. Can be spotted at a church near you.

19. THE CALLING-CARD NARCISSIST forewarns his targets. Early in the relationship he may 'slip up' revealing his nature saying "You need to protect yourself around me" or "Watch out, you never know what I'm up to." We laugh along with him and misinterpret his words. Years later, coping with the devastation left behind, his victims recall the chilling warning.
Defense Strategy: Know the red flags and be suspicious of the intentions of others.


20. THE PENITENT NARCISSIST says "I've behaved horribly, I'll change, I love you, I'll go for therapy." Appears to 'come clean' admitting past abuse and asking forgiveness. Claims we are at fault and need to change too. The sincerity of his words and actions appear convincing. We learn his words are verbal hooks. He knows our vulnerabilities and what buttons to push. We question our judgement about his disorder. We can disregard "Fool me once..." We hope for change and minimize past abuse. With a successful retargeting attempt, this N will enjoy his second reign of terror even more if we allow him back in our lives.
Defense Strategy: Expect this. Self-impose a "No Contact" rule. Focus on the reality of his disorder. Journal past abusive behavior to remind yourself. Join our support group.

http://forum2.aimoo.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/m/THE-NARCISSIST-Read-Only/20-Traits-of-Malignant-Narcissistic-Personality-Disorder-1-285326.html

More links:

http://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/malignant-self-love/narcissistic-personality-disorder-npd-definition/menu-id-1469/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism

http://narcissisticpersonalitydisordernarcissism.com/narcissisticsociopath.php

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lunatica Dec 2011 OP
izquierdista Dec 2011 #1
lunatica Dec 2011 #3
polly7 Dec 2011 #7
lunatica Dec 2011 #14
SpiralHawk Dec 2011 #16
polly7 Dec 2011 #17
beac Dec 2011 #20
lunatica Dec 2011 #24
beac Dec 2011 #30
beac Dec 2011 #18
renate Dec 2011 #29
SpiralHawk Dec 2011 #31
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BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2011 #25
Marnie Dec 2011 #33
lunatica Dec 2011 #38
razorman Dec 2011 #10
lunatica Dec 2011 #13
razorman Dec 2011 #19
siligut Dec 2011 #22
razorman Dec 2011 #26
izquierdista Dec 2011 #32
Marnie Dec 2011 #35
Wait Wut Dec 2011 #2
lunatica Dec 2011 #5
Wait Wut Dec 2011 #8
lunatica Dec 2011 #12
anneboleyn Dec 2011 #40
geckosfeet Dec 2011 #4
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Major Nikon Dec 2011 #43
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47of74 Dec 2011 #15
undeterred Dec 2011 #23
lunatica Dec 2011 #27
polly7 Dec 2011 #28
mmonk Dec 2011 #34
hughee99 Dec 2011 #36
lunatica Dec 2011 #37
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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:52 AM

1. There are dangers in distance diagnosis....

 

....but Newt's signs flash brighter and farther than any in Las Vegas.

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Response to izquierdista (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:02 PM

3. It's not so hard once you've been a victim of a narcissist

Actually living with one can devastate your life. It leaves scars you have to deal with for a very long time. Especially when a parent is a narcissist. Many people never quite heal from the emotional ruins left behind.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:10 PM

7. I've been thinking what a horrible man Gingrich is for

leaving two sick wives, but knowing how horrible it is to spend day after day with one of these soul suckers, I'm happy for them.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:20 PM

14. I've had similar thoughts

Sometime people can feel like they've actually escaped with their lives. I know I did. Literally.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:23 PM

16. Gingrich left 2 sick wives?

 

Wow - I knew he dumped one while she was in the hospital. But I did not know he was a serial dumper. Now that is sick. And these are the so-called 'Republicon Family Values' that cabal wants to foist on America? I don't think so. Regular old American values are far far superior.

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Response to SpiralHawk (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:31 PM

17. I've read the first had cancer,

the second was dx'd with MS. This is just an opinion blog, but was the first piece I found that mentioned both of their illnesses. http://patriciashannon.blogspot.com/2011/11/newt-gingrichs-second-wife-dishes-hard.html

"In 1999, after refusing to take the seat he won in the 1998 elections, Newt Gingrich left his second wife, Marianne, for a much-younger staffer with whom he’d been having an almost-ignored affair. As in his first marriage, he did so shortly after Marianne was diagnosed with a serious illness; as in his first divorce, he fought Marianne tooth and nail over any financial settlement. And then he had the Atlanta archdiocese inform Marianne that their marriage was invalid in the eyes of his fiancée’s faith; 9 years later, he completed his conversion to Catholicism."

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Response to polly7 (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:46 PM

20. Article in Esquire confirms same:

Last edited Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.esquire.com/features/newt-gingrich-0910-7

Such a GOOD Catholic girl, Calista. Then again, he cheated on his first wife w/Marianne, so she shouldn't have been that suprised that Newt was a selfish, cheating scumbag.

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Response to beac (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:01 PM

24. Wasn't Callista, the good Catholic girl, the one he cheated on his second wife with?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:43 PM

30. Yes, she's the current Mrs Gingrich or MrsG3.0. I doubt she'll be the last. n/t

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Response to SpiralHawk (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:41 PM

18. Yup:

http://www.esquire.com/features/newt-gingrich-0910-8

But Marianne was having problems of her own. After going to the doctor for a mysterious tingling in her hand, she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis.

*snip*

She kind of guessed it, of course. Women usually do. But did she know the woman was in her apartment, eating off her plates, sleeping in her bed?

*snip*

He asked her to just tolerate the affair, an offer she refused.

*snip*

"It doesn't matter what I do," he answered. "People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."



(The whole article is worth reading-- but take some Pepto first b/c you're going to feel sick.)

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Response to beac (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:37 PM

29. thanks for the link!

Very interesting article!

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Response to beac (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:50 PM

31. Just 'tolerate' the affair? Republicons have some strange ideas

 

about what 'morality' is - no wonder Americans don't trust them.

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Response to SpiralHawk (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 10:58 PM

39. At last, I know what they REALLY mean by

"Compassionate Conservatism."

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:01 PM

25. +1

yep

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:37 PM

33. Same thing with most abusers, I expect.

 

Once you have been an abuse victim two things happen.

Abusers can smell abuse victims like sharks can detect wounded fish. Be aware of that, even if you feel strong, they can sense your vulnerability.

After a couple of times as victim you can see an abuser almost as soon as you get into any prolonged conversation with them or hear them talking or acting out.

If you can't get a way from them, don't ever, ever trust or confide in them or rely on them. Their word is not worth shit and they will never have your back except as a location to place a kick or to store their knife for a while.

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Response to Marnie (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 10:03 PM

38. I agree on being able to spot them very quickly

Experience counts because it adds an extra layer of smarts. They function in a pattern and it's not that difficult to spot. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to warn women that if they go back to the man who abused them it will get worse. But they still love the man or they believe he'll follow through on his threats to hurt the children or her parents, so there's no reasoning with them. I accept that and just tell them I'm available if they need me. It's sad.

But I do believe that women can become quite strong and learn to not fall for the 'charm'. The charm itself is a flag of warning.

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Response to izquierdista (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:13 PM

10. I am also reluctant to issue psych diagnoses, even in the case of someone like Gingrich.

After all, there are people out there saying much the same things about President Obama. I figure that there must be at least a few of those traits in anyone who wants to be president. All that having been said, however, when it comes to figuring out someone like Newt, perhaps the answer is not a complex psychological one. He could just be a dickhead.

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Response to razorman (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:18 PM

13. Which is why I wrote that he has the signs

My subject line was not a declarative sentence since I don't consider myself a psychiatrist. But I have lived and been abused both psychologically and physically by someone who fit these traits a quite closely.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:44 PM

19. Understood. That does make more sense. I hope all has turned out well for you, although I am sure

you do not want or need any sympathy from me. I figure you can understand my reluctance to label people in our political system, though. Regardless of their party or political philosophy, I am not ready to call someone evil or crazy, simply because we do not agree on issues. I have been around a while, and have seen true evil at work. I spent a little time in Haiti some decades ago, when 'Baby Doc' Duvalier was in charge. I had a run-in or two with his 'Tonton Macoute' thugs. Those were some scary individuals.
So, from my point of view, the worst that our system has to offer is mild compared with what else is out there in the world. Evil does exist. Anyway, disagreeing with me does not necessarily make someone insane or evil. It merely makes them wrong.

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Response to razorman (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:57 PM

22. pwMNPD are often dickheads

He has so many of the signs.

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Response to siligut (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:05 PM

26. Perhaps "dickhead" should be an offical scientific term. It fits so many things so well.

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Response to razorman (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 03:51 PM

32. That's what makes psychology a science

 

Malignant Narcissist Personality Disorder = "dickhead" to those of us lay people.

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Response to razorman (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:40 PM

35. Obama has not, as far as is known, divorced two dying women who he was married to and who he was

 

cheating on.

Obama is a whimp, and a quitter, who has lied or at least mislead to get elected. Unfortunately that puts him in company with most politicians.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 11:56 AM

2. Newt has the signs of being a total...

...douche nozzle.

His possible psychological issues just make him more attractive to the righties.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:05 PM

5. It's no secret that Americans tend to idolize Sociopathic tendendies as signs of leadership

CEOs are a prime example. They're seen as people who are successful and who have personality traits that are enviable and should be emulated.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:11 PM

8. That must be why my friends keep trying to get me to run for City Council.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:15 PM

12. Well then you'll obviously be successful! Go for it.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 12:34 AM

40. There was a study that showed a high level of sociopathy among CEOs

and this was often understood by others as "leadership qualities" and so on. It's rather disturbing to think that this is what is valued...

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:03 PM

4. According to this,

the entire human race narcissistic in one form or another.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:11 PM

9. No. Not every one in the human race is a Malignant Narcissist

Do you destroy lives for your own personal gratification? Do you use people and think their sole purpose is to be exploited for your own ends? Are you a grifter who gets what he can and then moves on to the next victim? Do you feel no empathy or sympathy whatsoever and you have to pretend to feel these things?

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Response to lunatica (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:53 PM

21. Not the Newt type, although there are probably a lot of them around.

I just mean that reading through that list I see personality traits that are fairly common. Not sure that they rise to the level of narcissism in most people.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:18 AM

43. Not ever asshole is a malignant narcissist either

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:07 PM

6. You mean he's a politician?

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Response to aquart (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:13 PM

11. Well I did list a few, but then

There's Berny Sanders, Barabara Lee and quite a few who stand out as not being like this.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 12:23 PM

15. I know someone who is a number 3

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:01 PM

23. Unfortunately, most men and women who run for public office are Narcissists.

You have to have an exalted opinion of yourself to get through a campaign, I think.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:06 PM

27. Thankfully though, most of them aren't Malignant Narcissists

There are differences in that most behaviors have extremes. Most of us will occasionally say or do things we shouldn't, but most of us also have a conscience that makes us evaluate ourselves on a scale of right and wrong. Malignant Narcissists lack a conscience and will indulge in extremely abusive behavior even while doing their best to hide it. Serial killers for example. How many times have they passed themselves off as being kindly and helpful and gotten away with horrific crimes by doing so.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 01:13 PM

28. They are completely missing the empathy gene.

Occasionally they can express regret, but only after having to be shown why they did was wrong ...... saying it was hurtful doesn't register because they can't put themselves in the emotional place of someone else. It really is like there is something missing.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 04:38 PM

34. Oh. I thought he was just an asshole.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 05:32 PM

36. Actually, sounds like Bill Clinton, too. n/t

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Response to hughee99 (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 18, 2011, 09:48 PM

37. Do you think Bill Clinton is a Malignant Narcissist?

He's a politicians with the slippery mentality that politicians have, but do you see him as wanting to put children to work cleaning up crap filled school bathrooms? I don't recall anything like that coming from Clinton.

I sure don't.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 01:54 AM

41. Based on the description above, you could certainly say he "shows signs" of it.

Perhaps American politics in general is well suited to Malignant Narcissists.

I didn't see anything in the description specific to having children cleaning bathrooms.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:17 AM

42. Here's the problem with your diagnosis

Those who actually suffer with pathological NPD generally don't succeed to any great extent and if they do it's not for long. NPD is a debilitating condition, and that most certainly doesn't fit Newt.

Narcissism traits are present in almost everyone. Certainly in Newt's case they exist more than most others. There's nothing spectacularly wrong with Newt's mind. His biggest problem is he's a phony. As Krugman said, he's a stupid man's idea of what a smart man sounds like.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 07:17 AM

46. And you know all this because?

Malignant Narcissists succeed quite well, especially in a society like ours where they're admired.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #46)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 08:20 AM

48. So now I need to disprove your obviously amateur psychiatric diagnosis

...which you never proved in the first place?

NPD is extremely hard for professionals to accurately diagnose, even with diagnostic interviews of the patient and the people around them. But you would have me believe you can make this diagnosis as a non-professional without ever having so much as spoken to the man or anyone else who has ever spoken to the man? Furthermore, not only are you sure he has the condition, but you can pinpoint the exact type of NPD he has? Sorry, gotta call bullshit on that one.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 04:01 PM

49. I did not make a diagnosis. I said he has the signs

There is a vast difference between the two. I'm not a professional psychiatrist so I don't make diagnoses. And if you call listing 20 types of Narcissism a pin point diagnosis you need to work on your reading skills. The bullshit is coming from you.

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 02:21 AM

44. What's with giving psych dx's to politicians?

It's a fun game, but as reliable as any other Internet diagnosis.

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Response to REP (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 07:14 AM

45. Like you said. It's a fun game

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Response to lunatica (Original post)

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 07:48 AM

47. Newt has signs of narcissism

but I would not go to the level of personality disorder. Most politicians have some elevated level of narcissism, as they actually think they have the "right answer" above and beyond most everyone else. This is what causes many to run in the first place.

I will grant that Newt takes it to a level of naked bombast that few other politicians approach and his life story is loaded with a drive toward self gratification with little seeming regard for propriety or consequence, from dating and marrying his HS teacher forward. However, a somewhat unique and colorful sexual history does not seperate him from a good portion of the political class. The ability to be bombastic seems nearly a job qualification these days.

I have no problem calling him a narcissist, but would not go quite to the level of personality disorder. He is very much not Presidential material.

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