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Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:38 PM

Now the Democratic Party is the war party.

How will a war weary voting public respond to that in 2014? My bet is that it will be used very effectively against democrats whether the Syrian bombing is "successful" or not.

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Reply Now the Democratic Party is the war party. (Original post)
cali Sep 2013 OP
leftstreet Sep 2013 #1
reformist2 Sep 2013 #37
Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #39
Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #2
mazzarro Sep 2013 #3
davidn3600 Sep 2013 #4
frazzled Sep 2013 #5
cali Sep 2013 #7
ProSense Sep 2013 #10
Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #9
Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #12
frazzled Sep 2013 #15
dawg Sep 2013 #32
HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #26
frazzled Sep 2013 #30
Skidmore Sep 2013 #6
cali Sep 2013 #8
SidDithers Sep 2013 #11
cali Sep 2013 #13
SidDithers Sep 2013 #16
Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #18
Isoldeblue Sep 2013 #38
TM99 Sep 2013 #19
Demo_Chris Sep 2013 #35
Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #44
NuclearDem Sep 2013 #25
Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #14
leftstreet Sep 2013 #17
Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #20
leftstreet Sep 2013 #22
cali Sep 2013 #27
Cali_Democrat Sep 2013 #29
KittyWampus Sep 2013 #33
jessie04 Sep 2013 #43
MFrohike Sep 2013 #21
HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #23
Harmony Blue Sep 2013 #28
grillo7 Sep 2013 #42
brooklynite Sep 2013 #24
jessie04 Sep 2013 #31
RobertEarl Sep 2013 #34
bobclark86 Sep 2013 #40
RobertEarl Sep 2013 #41
geek tragedy Sep 2013 #36
Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #45

Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:41 PM

1. Let the Humanitarian Missiles Fly!

The last time the Democrats used this much patriotism and flag-waving was when they went antiwar in 2006 and 2008

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:28 PM

37. Silly, but a grain of truth:

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:45 PM

39. He started one? When?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:41 PM

2. Yeah this isn't looking good for Democrats

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:42 PM

3. I tend to agree with you

Especially making we, the disillusioned leftists, very unenthusiastic to vote.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:44 PM

4. The Democratic leadership has always been as pro-war as the GOP

Yes there is an anti-war faction of the party. But the leadership pays no attention to it.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:45 PM

5. Psst: ever hear of World War II, Korea, Vietnam?

Ever hear of FDR, Truman, Kennedy?

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Response to frazzled (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:47 PM

7. yeah. ever hear of LBJ? Know why he didn't run again?

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Response to cali (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:48 PM

10. How about Clinton

Crash Course: A Guide To 30 Years Of U.S. Military Strikes Against Other Nations

<...>

BILL CLINTON

—Iraq (1993): Launched cruise missiles into Baghdad, hitting Iraqi intelligence headquarters, in retaliation for assassination plot against President George H.W. Bush.

—Somalia (1993): Increased troop deployment for security and stability mission with 35 other nations under U.N. Security Council resolution.

—Haiti (1994) Deployed troops for peacekeeping and nation-building mission as authorized by U.N. Security Council resolution.

—Bosnia (1994-96): Launched airstrikes with NATO allies over 18 months, culminating with bombings, artillery attacks and cruise missile strikes against Bosnia Serbs, by request of U.N. Secretary General Boutrous Boutrous-Ghali and to enforce no-fly zones as authorized by at least three U.N. Security Council resolutions. Deployed troops in year-long NATO peacekeeping mission.

—Iraq (1996): Launched cruise missiles at targets in southern Iraq in retaliation against attacks on U.S. jets enforcing no-fly zones to protect Iraqi minorities as authorized by U.N. Security Council resolution.

—Sudan, Afghanistan (1998): Launched cruise missiles at terrorist training camps in Sudan and Afghanistan in retaliation against U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania that killed more than 220 people, including 12 Americans.

—Iraq (1998): Launched cruise missiles and airstrikes on a number of Baghdad targets to punish Saddam Hussein for not complying with U.N. chemical weapons inspections as required under U.N. Security Council resolutions.

—Kosovo: (1999): Launched airstrikes and cruise missiles over more than three months at Yugoslavian military targets, power stations, bridges and other facilities as part of NATO mission.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/crash-course-a-guide-to-30-years-of-us-military-strikes-against-other-nations.php

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Response to frazzled (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:48 PM

9. Right but the point is that the Democratic party

moved beyond that to become a progressive party or so we thought....

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Response to frazzled (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:49 PM

12. WW2 was the one where were were attacked and had war delcared upon us before we

returned righteous hell upon the heads of those who by choice became our enemies. What's that got to do with meandering around the world bombing nations for doing that which we have rewarded others for doing?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:53 PM

15. Disingenuous response

FDR had a hell of a time talking people, especially on the left, into intervening in Europe. I'm sure a large number of the non-interventionists here today would have argued vociferously against military action in Europe even after the Pearl Harbor attack by the Japanese.

See article on opposition to WWII here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_World_War_II

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Response to frazzled (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:16 PM

32. Um. Germany declared war on us!

There was nothing to debate.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:14 PM

26. I think it is intellectually dishonest to lay Vietnam at JFK's feet. Granted, he

 

dramatically escalated the number of advisors there during his presidency but there are a large number of sources that suggest that, if he did not support an out-right pullout after 1964, that he most definitely did not support inserting combat troops into the theater. The best I've been able to discern about JFK is that he simply had not decided what he would do following his all-but-certain re-election in 1964. Note this means he might well have decdied to escalate a la LBJ, but he might equally have sought some sort of implementation of the Geneva 1954 agreement and U.S. exit.

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #26)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 09:55 PM

30. OK, I'll go with Johnson

(though Kennedy certainly put us on the track). The point is still the same: Johnson, who brought us the War on Poverty, Medicare, and the Civil Rights Acts ... also brought us Vietnam. The Democrats, in modern times, have never been lacking for war credentials.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:47 PM

6. I hardly think the Rs have become

The Peace Party.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:48 PM

8. didn't say they were.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:48 PM

11. Obama isn't Bush...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:51 PM

13. No, he's not. so what?

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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:55 PM

16. Bush started wars...

Obama ended them.

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:57 PM

18. Obama ended Bush's wars

but is starting his own wars.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:42 PM

38. When and if he does, then we can talk.

Military action against WMD and horrendous carnage, isn't necessarily a full blown war. BUT, nothing has happened yet.

Obama is nothing like Bush. Syria is nothing like Iraq.

People need to step back and see the forest for the trees...

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:02 PM

19. Bush ended Iraq.

Obama wanted it extended. Try not to rewrite history, Sid.

Is Afghanistan over? My mates still there would certainly disagree.

Now Obama is starting his own.

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Response to TM99 (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:24 PM

35. That's accurate but inconvenient. nt

 

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Response to TM99 (Reply #19)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:46 AM

44. Rewriting history is a full-time, albeit minimum wage job. We're all Winston now. n/t

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:11 PM

25. The 2007 status of forces agreement ended Iraq.

And I must have missed the news that Afghanistan was over, or even had a definitive date for being over.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:52 PM

14. What are you babbling about?

This ain't the first time a Democratic admin or Dems in Congress supported war.

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:56 PM

17. How often did the Dem party take control being antiwar?

I can't believe how incredibly obtuse party loyalists are being

The Democrats annihilated the GOP by speaking out against Bush's wars

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:03 PM

20. The Democratic Party has never been an anti-war party.

In fact, Obama may have campaigned on ending the war in Iraq, but he was quite specific about expanding the war in Afghanistan.

Remember the US strikes against Libya in 2011?

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:04 PM

22. Agree. They just pretended to be

Ask the late Jack Murtha

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:21 PM

27. let me spell it out for those too dim to grasp the obvious.

The voting public is sick of war. Dems reaped the benefit of that in the past 2 election cycles.

It will be a lot harder to do that next year, particularly now.

It's not rocket science, though it seems to be beyond your intellectual capabilities. how sad.

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Response to cali (Reply #27)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:31 PM

29. "It will be a lot harder to do that next year, particularly now"

Says the same person who swallowed Michele Catalano's bullshit hook, line, and sinker. She played you like a fiddle.

You have no credibility and your predictions are a joke.

Obama launched strikes against Libya in 2011 and it did not hurt is election chances. Obama also expanded the war in Afghanistan and that also didn't hurt Dems in 2012. The Democratic Party is not an anti-war party.

I'm supposed to believe that missile strikes against Syria will hurt Dems in 2014 because you say so?

Your credibility is shot, my dear: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023570402

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Response to Cali_Democrat (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:17 PM

33. this thread is really classic DU.

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Response to cali (Reply #27)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:38 AM

43. Kick for those who are too dim to grasp the obvious.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:04 PM

21. Now?

The last war I remember that the Democratic Party, or a majority of it, didn't support from the start was the Spanish-American. Before that, it was, maybe, the Civil War (two Democratic Parties at the time, so it was messy). This is nothing new. Whether it's a wise move remains to be seen.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:08 PM

23. Democratic war mongers do not deserve to hold or exercise power. Neither do Republicans, but that's

 

really by-the-by.

There's a huge vacuum on the left just waiting to be filled by a viable party that isn't beholden to the 1%. And politics abhors a vacuum, so it's only a matter of time before the new left party picks up the 50% who have stopped voting entirely, Dems acquire the current Republican electorate and the Republicans become a rump party commanding no more than 5-10%. Or should the Republicans move back towards sanity (highly doubtful), the Dems will go the way of the Whigs in the 1850s.

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:22 PM

28. Green energy progressives

is pretty much what I can see filling that vacuum. It happened in Europe and history has a habit of repeating itself.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:50 PM

42. I just can't see this happening in 'Merica anytime soon, unfortunately... N/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:09 PM

24. I seem to recall the President getting re-elected handily last time...

while picking up Senate seats and getting more votes for his House candidates.

After a war weary voting public responded to...wrapping up our military activities in Afghanistan and Iraq? And showing thoughtfulness and restaint in our intervention in Libya?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:14 PM

31. Insipid nonsense.

 

I seem to remember Obama taking on Libya and winning his 2nd term.

The truth is the Democratic Party will be known as the anti- chemical weapon party and the anti-casualties of war party.

I don't understand your thinking.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:23 PM

34. In the run up to Iraqi invasion

Half the democrats voted no, all the republicans voted yes.

So at least half the party was anti-war. So yeah, dems are the anti-war party.

Now we will see if we've made any progress since then.

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:59 PM

40. Close enough...

Six (yes, a whopping six) GOPers shot it down in the House. Mine was one of them...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution#Passage

In a bit of a twist, my GOP House member voted nay, but both of my Democratic senators voted yea. Go figure...

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #40)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:13 PM

41. I stand corrected

Now let us hope at least two thirds of our party vote no.

It sure would be a boost to our sensibilities to see that most of our people are not warmongers, eh?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:26 PM

36. This will be forgotten by the time American Idol

is back on the air.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 05:50 AM

45. If you will recall, the Democratic Party has always been the war party.

 

That little kerfuffle and police riot in 1968 was all about trying to change that fact.
& R

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