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Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:50 PM

US to ship chicken to China and then China to ship it back...

Would you willingly eat chicken nuggets processed in a country that has no intention of meeting U.S. food-safety standards? Most Americans likely wouldn't.

That may explain why the U.S. Department of Agriculture waited until Friday -- the day before a long holiday weekend -- to announce that it had ended a ban on Chinese chicken imports by approving four Chinese poultry processors to ship processed ("heat-treated/cooked") chicken to the U.S. The report on the approved poultry plants noted that the audit set out to ďto determine whether the People's Republic of China's (PRC) food safety system governing poultry processing remains equivalent to that of the United States (U.S.), with the ability to produce products that are safe, wholesome, unadulterated, and properly labeled." Needless to say, the Chinese plants passed.

Initially, at least, the chickens will be slaughtered in the U.S. (or another nation that's allowed to export slaughtered chicken to the U.S.), then shipped to China for processing and re-export. Thatís the good news. The bad news is that, according to the New York Times, no USDA inspectors will be present in the Chinese processing plants (despite the fact that China has never before been allowed to export chicken to the U.S.), thus offering consumers no guarantees where the processed chickens were in fact slaughtered. Even worse, because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked arenít subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.

Thatís a big problem. For more than a decade, China has earned a reputation as one of the worldís worst food-safety offenders. In just the last year, consumers have been confronted with a bird flu outbreak, news of sales of 46-year-old chicken feet and reports of poisonous fake mutton. These are not isolated incidents, but rather the most spectacular instances of a crisis that has become so severe that some consumers now smuggle quantities of infant milk formula from foreign countries into China so as to avoid buying potentially tainted Chinese dairy products.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-03/don-t-trust-a-chicken-nugget-that-s-visited-china.html

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Bennyboy Sep 2013 #64
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sharp_stick Sep 2013 #75
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Arkansas Granny Sep 2013 #28
progressoid Sep 2013 #30
liberal N proud Sep 2013 #33
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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:52 PM

1. Ewww...





Will that be labeled Made in the USA?

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Response to avaistheone1 (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:29 PM

64. DO THEY GET FREQUENT FRYER MILES?

 

????????????????????????????

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Response to Bennyboy (Reply #64)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:16 AM

76. DUZY

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:56 PM

2. As if the ammonia-laced pink slime they used wasn't gross enough...

...now this...

As an aside...they can afford to ship dead chickens' overseas and then re-import them, but they can't pay a living wage to the folks that sell this toxic shit here?

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:57 PM

4. It has reached the point of absurdity hasn't it?

The disconnect is real and frightening.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:04 PM

12. And the new Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement TPTB are working on would open the floodgates...

...to more of this exact type of behaviour..

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:06 PM

58. I would much rather eat the pink slime

than any chicken processed in China.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:56 PM

3. I try to avoid made in China

stuff whenever I can but I try damned hard to be sure that I never buy food made in China.

Ever since the melamine insanity of a few years back I look pretty hard to make sure I'm not ingesting or letting my kids ingest Chinese food.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:34 PM

25. The only way to be sure anymore

is to buy all food ingredients from local sources yourself. Because manufacturers can source all their ingredients out of China and mix it up here and call it made in the USA... or here, made in Canada.

And they do that.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:43 PM

54. How about "Made in You Don't Want to Know"


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Response to KansDem (Reply #54)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:09 AM

75. That's what frightens me the most

I'm always nervous of products that don't bother to tell you where they're made. Food especially scares me, the little candies that you find a dollar stores and the like we try to avoid.

Fortunately I'm able to source most of our food fairly locally and I realize that I'm one of the lucky ones in that.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:58 PM

5. WTF makes makes some think this makes any sense?

What are the drivers?

The meat would most likely spoil in transport let alone whatever it will be exposed to in China.



This is what an unregulated America looks like and where the republicans want to take the country!



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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:01 PM

8. It's shipped frozen, silly. (though that's lipstick on a pig at this point)

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:42 PM

28. So, does that mean shipped to China frozen, thawed, processed and re-frozen for shipping back to us?

No, thank you. I'll just look for mine fresh at the market or do without.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:52 PM

30. Yup. n/t

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Response to progressoid (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:02 PM

33. Just what I want in my chicken - frozen countless times.

Sammy here we come!

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Response to progressoid (Reply #30)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:14 PM

35. That's what I figured. And no inspections. What a yummy idea!

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #35)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:20 PM

36. parapapapa, I'm lovin' it.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #28)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:49 PM

56. Yep. Delicious, huh?

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #56)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:57 PM

65. And we can rest assured that all of this thawing, processing and re-freezing

will be done under strict, sanitary conditions, right? Right?

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:59 PM

6. will McDonalds and the other fast food joints be buying these Chinese chicken nuggets?

The Chinese don't have to invade us. They just have to poison us with their crappy processed food.

Maybe it's time to boycott all frozen chicken.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 01:59 PM

7. Makes me glad I don't eat meat anymore (although I am sad, because I love chicken).

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:02 PM

11. It isn't chicken though

It's a "processed chicken food item" which tells you right there that it isn't really chicken but some approximation.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:01 PM

9. I wouldn't eat them

in the first place, no matter where they are made. That's a disgusting food item, right there, and I've willingly eaten pork rinds before. If you are going to eat chicken, eat recognizable chicken or cook it yourself. Don't eat shit that has to be labeled as a "food item" in order to be recognized as food. "Fried processed chicken food item". If you have to inform me that it is food, it really isn't.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #9)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:26 AM

78. I've never been able to stomach cheese food either

never have been tempted to buy cheese food....just the thought of eating it makes me go all woozy.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:02 PM

10. Brace yourselves for TPP....

When Chinese "regulations" for food safety, enviromental standards, and worker protections, will take precedence over any US laws and regulations.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:04 PM

13. I hope to heaven

there will be a label of some sort, because a "____ food" isn't really food, just approximating the fact that it is food.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:12 PM

20. AFAIK, labelling would be prohibited.

Although the country of origin matters little, if all countries adopt the regulations of the least-regulated country. That is the gist of the TPP.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:07 PM

40. Meet the new boss. nt

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:05 PM

14. ^^^Yup...

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #10)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:10 PM

17. You don't even have to wait for that

from the article:

Even worse, because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked arenít subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #17)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:11 PM

18. Oh goody!!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:05 PM

15. It's so freakin' ridiculous the way we deal with food. HOW can this be the ideal arrangement?

Burning more fuel, more pollution, and no oversight. To what end???

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:53 PM

31. To what end?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:08 PM

42. It is the ideal arrangement...

for the people who really run this country.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:44 PM

55. About "ideal arrangement": the question is not HOW but FOR WHO?

...which would be holding companies that own controlling shares of meatpacking companies.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #15)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:31 AM

79. Empty cargo ships going back to China anyway


The ships that bring stuff from China go back to China. Whether they are empty or not depends on whether anyone wants to put anything in them.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #79)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 11:39 AM

81. That's true. I worked for a container ship company for 9 years...

and during that time, our export department gradually shrank down to one corner of one floor, while import ended up with a whole floor to itself. Aside from empty containers, the only things we exported were waste paper and synthetic resin.

then, after years of Walmart and the Gap muscling us on prices, my department shrank too, and I got laid off

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #81)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:48 PM

85. The chicken meat might as well ship as "ballast"

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:08 PM

16. Sounds yummy!



NOT!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:12 PM

19. And how can shipping things half way around the world twice be cheaper

than having a processing plant in the US?

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:19 PM

22. Talk about a waste of energy!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:18 PM

21. ERMAGERD! CHINA!!!!1

THE CHINESE ARE COMING!!! THEYR GONNA POISON US!!!!!

Now, judging by the previous track records (baby formula, dog food, toys with lead paint, etc.), it is a real possibility there could be a problem. I understand.

I think I'll wait until they start testing the end product and until someone in the U.S. actually agrees to serve it in my area (McShit, Booger King, et al) before completely losing my mind over this. We need to learn more, though. Like who exactly will buy this crap, where will it be sold, etc.

BUT IN THE MEAN TIME, the companies buying chicken (once we figure out who the hell wants to do that) need to be the targets of a thorough letter writing campaign demanding for high standards, even if they are the Apple-Foxconn standards (which are better than the current nothing, I suppose). I think an ounce of prevention is worth 800,000 pre-slaughtered chickens of cure.

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:59 PM

32. You won't know if they are serving it.

From the article:

because the birds will be processed, the USDA will not require point-of-origin labeling (under USDA rules, foods that have been cooked arenít subject to point-of-origin labeling). In other words: Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets in the supermarket freezer were processed in the U.S. or in China.


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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:09 PM

43. China has zero problems with killing its own citizens...

do you think they give a flip about ours?

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:18 PM

48. "an ounce of prevention"

...would entail heading the problem off at the pass. And we're not going to give a pass to Chinese food processing.

This isn't computers and phones we are talking about -- no one here eats them.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:21 PM

23. plus plastic-tainted milk, plus lead-tainted rice...

It's so bad that chinese parents rather use expensive, imported, european milk-powder to bottle-feed their infants than take a risk with a cheap chinese product.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:33 PM

24. Chicka the China, the Chinese Chicken. You have a drumstick and your brain keeps tickin.

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Response to Happyhippychick (Reply #24)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:25 AM

73. LOL!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:36 PM

26. "Consumers will have no way to tell if those chicken nuggets were processed in China."

The TRANSPARENCY is awesome.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:37 PM

27. It's cheaper to ship it across the Pacific TWICE rather than meet safety regulations here...

 

And that's saying something.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 02:46 PM

29. Factory farms wanna put their diseases in you

n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:09 PM

34. Just part of the the WTO trade agreements developed by neocons in the Raygun administration.

Get ready for even more.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #34)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:11 PM

44. And pushed by the likes...

of Clinton (NAFTA) and Obama (TPP). But don't worry, Hillary (former board member of Walmart) will be different.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:38 PM

51. That really says it all right there. nt

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #44)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 07:46 PM

66. NAFTA was already signed off by daddy bush

But there is no reason for Obama to be pushing the TPP.

Bashing Hillary for the sake of bashing is kind of churlish.

But this all started with the likes of Raygun's Neocons.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 10:51 PM

68. Clinton could have stood on principle...

and veto'ed, but chose not to. And how is pointing out the fact that Hillary was a board member of Walmart bashing? It is fact- do with it what you will.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 03:46 PM

37. We have GOT to make it more expensive to chug stuff over the largest ocean on the planet.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:02 PM

38. Yet another good reason to cook your own food from

real ingredients.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:02 PM

39. Just got back from Asia... And got the worst food poisoning you can imagine.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:07 PM

41. I'd sooner eat insects I raised myself than a "chicken nugget."



http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gallery/2011/sep/16/edible-insects-arachnids-in-pictures

Most especially "factory farm" chicken shipped twice across the pacific.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:12 PM

45. File this one under 'Labor'

So they want to escape labor standards in the US. But we're supposed to believe that environmental and food safety standards are somehow unrelated to the process of off-shoring and anti-labor mindset.

On second thought, also file this under "globalization vs the American people".

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:16 PM

46. I'll have a McBird Flu sandwich, please and an order of thrice-frozen fries!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:17 PM

47. The food industry is committing

crimes against humanity. As well as treason.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:22 PM

49. What are you .. chicken?

"Sort of" replied the McNugget

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:35 PM

50. that tears it

The globalist are just laughing at us now How do I get out of this chicken outfit

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:41 PM

52. I don't care! At long as it meets my bliss point and has mouth appeal...


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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:41 PM

53. Labor prices are cheaper, but the real profit comes from

 

The pressboard process which uses every meat, and not-quite-meat, portion of the animal.
The ability to add fillers into the meat, after all without inspectors who is to say what made it into the machine today
and BONUS... The occasional 3rd drumstick we can expect from random mutant poultry.

Don't forget that there were 900+ people involved in the Great Mutton Caper
One suspect, named Wei, earned more than £1m over the past four years by purchasing fox, mink and rat meat, treating it with gelatin, carmine (a colour produced from ground beetles) and nitrate, then selling it as mutton at farmers' markets in Jiangsu province and Shanghai


Clue, beware of the McNugget has a long and winding tail.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:50 PM

57. More poison from China - compliments of the Obama administration.

 

Sure glad I don't eat chicken nuggets!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:11 PM

59. We don't eat chicken in nugget form. This will only reaffirm that decision.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:15 PM

60. If you can, stop eating that shit!

- I did. If you can't, you need to find a way how to.....

K&R

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:17 PM

61. how about


we agitate to have this crap served at the congressional canteen? make the legislators eat it since they think it's so wholesome.

sheesh!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 05:21 PM

62. Heh.



Further comment would be superfluous.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 06:03 PM

63. What is going on with the OK of food shipped from China?

I know I've take steps to check where different foods, fruits, jucies come from whether on the package of I investigate on the internet. Maybe the Chinese can handle all the garbage they put in their food, but I don't want any part of it. I have absolutely no faith or trust in any foods coming from there.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 08:11 PM

67. I saw some Alaskan Cod on sale

at the local store and wondered why it was so cheap. In tiny print on the bottom of the backside of the package, I found the answer - processed in China. I set it back down and moved on.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:41 PM

69. Well Duh. It's cheaper that way. Read below.

http://www.amazon.com/Ninety-Percent-Everything-Invisible-ebook/dp/B009LRWJKW

A decent new book that calculates shipping cost by sea.

It's actually cheaper for fisheries in Scotland to catch salmon, ship it frozen to China to be filleted and then ship it back to Scotland for sale than it is to pay local labor to fillet the same fish.

Due to the enormous payload that modern ships can carry, it is vastly cheaper to ship the foodstuffs to cheap labor countries for processing.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Sep 4, 2013, 11:57 PM

70. Not In This Lifetime!

We rarely eat chicken anymore. I'm comfortable not ever having it again. Just No.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:53 AM

71. I don't know how much more of this I can take...

I used to read headlines like this when Bush was in office and think "Hold on, it's almost 2008...". But here I am, in Obama's second term, and we're still blatantly creating bad policies that maximize corporate profits at the expense of the health and safety of the public. Bravo! :/

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Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:59 AM

72. The inmates run the asylum

forfucksake... can't be real.

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Thu Sep 5, 2013, 03:31 AM

74. I am beginning to believe that our country is trying to kill us

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Thu Sep 5, 2013, 10:25 AM

77. Corporate-Industrial "food" is some stanky ugly suspect crapola

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Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:11 PM

82. We've lost our collective mind.

Seriously, as a collective, we behave like a bunch of fuckin' teabaggers. It's time for nature to throw the human species into the dustbin of failed experiments.

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Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:21 PM

83. This is a serious problem, China's lack of regulation presents a huge threat to food safety.

I would not eat any food product which was handled by a Chinese manufacturer.

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Thu Sep 5, 2013, 01:27 PM

84. I don't eat that crap already...

Especially after hearing about this.

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