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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:08 PM

Thank You Mr. President. Thank You Gen. Holder

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) The Justice Department sued Texas on Thursday over the state's voter ID law and will seek to intervene in a lawsuit over its redistricting laws that minority groups complain are discriminatory, but Texas Republicans insist are designed to protect the state's elections from fraud.

Attorney General Eric Holder said the action marks another step in the effort to protect voting rights of all eligible Americans. He said the government will not allow a recent Supreme Court decision to be interpreted as open season for states to pursue measures that suppress voting rights.

"This represents the department's latest action to protect voting rights, but it will not be our last," the attorney general said.

http://www.chron.com/news/texas/article/Gov-t-to-sue-Texas-over-voter-ID-law-4752989.php?cmpid=hpbn

As Republicans try to disenfranchise us through redistricting and take us back to Jim Crow with onerous ID laws, we are blessed to have these two men fighting for our rights, just as Democratic Presidents and Attorneys General have since JFK and LBJ.



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Reply Thank You Mr. President. Thank You Gen. Holder (Original post)
arely staircase Aug 2013 OP
Name removed Aug 2013 #1
freshwest Aug 2013 #2
arely staircase Aug 2013 #3
Name removed Aug 2013 #6
arely staircase Aug 2013 #8
Enthusiast Aug 2013 #28
arely staircase Aug 2013 #42
winter is coming Aug 2013 #9
hrmjustin Aug 2013 #10
Enthusiast Aug 2013 #30
Cha Aug 2013 #36
Tanuki Aug 2013 #15
Name removed Aug 2013 #19
adieu Aug 2013 #23
TeamPooka Aug 2013 #26
rl6214 Aug 2013 #38
adieu Aug 2013 #40
rl6214 Aug 2013 #45
adieu Aug 2013 #46
arely staircase Aug 2013 #48
stevenleser Aug 2013 #17
Name removed Aug 2013 #29
Enthusiast Aug 2013 #31
reusrename Aug 2013 #18
Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #20
Bradical79 Aug 2013 #22
Peacetrain Aug 2013 #24
Hekate Aug 2013 #34
Peacetrain Aug 2013 #35
bahrbearian Aug 2013 #13
arely staircase Aug 2013 #39
bahrbearian Aug 2013 #41
hrmjustin Aug 2013 #25
arely staircase Aug 2013 #44
winter is coming Aug 2013 #5
Name removed Aug 2013 #14
mick063 Aug 2013 #7
Rstrstx Aug 2013 #12
Name removed Aug 2013 #16
Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #21
freshwest Aug 2013 #4
hopemountain Aug 2013 #33
Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #11
Hekate Aug 2013 #27
bluestate10 Aug 2013 #32
Cha Aug 2013 #37
arely staircase Aug 2013 #43
Cha Aug 2013 #49
Grateful for Hope Aug 2013 #47
spanone Aug 2013 #50

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Response to Name removed (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:24 PM

2. There are numerous threads on how it does it, to those who are elderly, infirm or poor. Jim Crow

was not just about segregation. Check DU, google or Wikipedia, if yu are sincere in that question Most of us here know the details, but I don't have time right now.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:37 PM

8. what voter fraud? nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:13 PM

28. These people are told that voter fraud is rampant.

Remember, they watch Fox News and listen to Limbaugh. They are told that dead people vote in Chicago and some people vote 40 times. I know, it's nonsense, but it's all they hear. They believe cheating by ACORN allowed Obama to win both elections. This insanity is not adequately refuted in the regular media.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:02 PM

42. The media does indeed do a poor job putting this into context.

I think it is a result of the general laziness (intellectual and otherwise) of reporters and editors. The "tell both sides of the story" framework is inadequate for fostering an informed citizenry. It is easy to blame low-information voters for not seeking out the truth. Though it takes little effort to do the research to get to the bottom of current events, many peoples' lives really are filled with the daily grind to the point that even a little research is too much to ask. So people just hear the MSM say that the Repubs claim 'A' but the Dems say "B" and either agree with A or B based on who they are more inclined to believe to begin with. The media is too lazy and cowardly to say "the Republicans say voter fraud is a problem but that is total bullshit." They are afraid of being called biased or liberal, when all they would really be is truthful.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:39 PM

9. Exactly where is this rampant voter fraud occurring?

I'm far more concerned about election fraud. Too much of the country votes on black box machines.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:40 PM

10. People have been voting for a long time without ID. Why should they have to show it now.

If it prevents one person from voting then the people who voted the law in should go to jail and never be allowed to vote again.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:15 PM

30. It's all them Mesicans and dead people voting for Obama.

You know.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 06:12 PM

36. Yeah, those awesome people standing in long lines for hours

were just a freaking mirage! 'cause fox told 'em.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:06 PM

15. We have somehow managed to do so for the entirety of our history as a nation.

Don't you find it odd that Texas is so selective about what kind of ID is acceptable (e.g., even the photo ID issued by a state university is not sufficient, but a concealed carry ID is fine)? When the Texas ID laws were struck down by the federal courts last year, they cited the huge discrepancy between possession of acceptable ID by Hispanic and non-Hispanic voters. This is part of a widespread, ALEC-sponsored initiative and you are being nave or disingenuous if you want to pretend this is not a deliberate and ham-handed assault on the voting rights of groups (minorities, students, the disabled, the poor, etc.) that are more likely to vote for Democrats, and less likely to possess the proper ID. I live in Tennessee and although I have a car and a drivers license, in my state it is difficult for the rural poor to get to the offices where they would have to go. Women, especially the elderly, have been turned away because their birth certificate showed a different surname and then they had to jump through hoops to document their marriage, and it is not as simple as some people seem to think. When the voting clerk at the last election asked me if I had a photo ID, I said yes, and I also have a copy of the Constitution, which does not say anything about requiring a photo ID. It sickens me that all these flag-waving hypocrites who are always defending "the American way" are so quick to stomp down the basis of a democracy, i.e. the right of each citizen to participate on an equal basis in the electoral process.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:08 PM

23. We don't care if you've been fingerprinted

We only care that you reside in the district that you're voting for. Does a CCL ID indicate your current place of residence? A university ID clearly does so, as it shows that you're a student at the university.

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Response to adieu (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:11 PM

26. they are Gone.... jury results below

I was juror #6....


At Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:56 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

acceptable ID
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3527515

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This is a RW troll. First he wants everyone to show ID when voting now he says that a gun license is a good ID but college ID is worthless. Please hide this. All of his 5 posts are in this thread.

JURY RESULTS

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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Voting doesn't kill anyone either....this is a stupid RW argument.
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Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: Fuck off you worthless Gun Troll, racist, voting rights denier.



Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to adieu (Reply #23)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 06:30 PM

38. I don't know what the post you were replying to said but

 

A Texas CCL number is the same as your DL number and the lic has all of the information that a DL has.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #38)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 09:15 PM

40. Which is to say that the

ID does not indicate your residence. I don't know how Texas works, but here in CA, if I move, my DL does not change. They don't immediately send me a new DL with the new address. My address on my DL is my old one from three years ago. When the DL expires and I am required to go to the DMV for exams, then I will get a new one. Otherwise, I just get a piece of paper that sticks to the back of the ID saying that it has been renewed to a new expiration date.

So the use of the DL to verify the voting district of the voter is pretty much useless. If it is to verify that the person is who he or she claim it is, then so would a student ID.

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Response to adieu (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:16 PM

45. In Texas you must update your DL & CCL within a certain amount of time.

 

That's crazy that CA dosent require the same.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #45)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 01:21 PM

46. I am required to update my DL

immediately once I move. But they don't send me a new card with the updated address. The system knows that I am living in my current place. But unless someone actually contacts the DMV database, the address they see on my card is what they think is my address.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:10 PM

48. regarding university ID vs concealed weapon ID

how much more transparent can they be? it is pretty much a taunt.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:20 PM

17. There is no voter fraud. George W Bush had a 5 year investigation that concluded that

voter fraud is nearly non-existent nationally. North Carolina just had a similar study in their state.

Both studies were under Republican administrations and came to the same conclusion.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:17 PM

31. It's not a program.

And ACORN no longer exists.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:22 PM

18. The same way we protect them from little green men from Mars.

 

Except for the voter fraud committed by folks like Ann Coulter, it does not exist.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:53 PM

20. "Voter fraud" is a Trojan Horse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
WASHINGTON, April 11 Five years after the Bush administration began a crackdown on voter fraud, the Justice Department has turned up virtually no evidence of any organized effort to skew federal elections, according to court records and interviews.

Although Republican activists have repeatedly said fraud is so widespread that it has corrupted the political process and, possibly, cost the party election victories, about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:04 PM

22. You're talking about a problem that is virtually non-existant.

And causing a much larger problem in the attempt to fix this non-issue.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:11 PM

24. what voter fraud??..



My mother has not driven in 55 years.. she is 84, and she let her state ID expire.. she cannot get medications for allergies when she needs them because she does not have a state ID.. I can buy her medications.. but I cannot vote for her

It has cost her a pretty penny to try and get copies of her birth certificate etc.

This whole thing of photo IDs was a solution in search of a problem

and in the meantime , it has disenfranchised millions.


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Response to Peacetrain (Reply #24)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:31 PM

34. Karen Finney was just pointing out that women as a group are disproportionately affected too

Regarding the driver's license: Women change their names when they get married; if there's only one car in the family, it's the man who drives it; women are less likely to drive -- it was a good point.

Most women still take their husband's name when they marry, and if they and their families are living on a cash economy they won't have the usual plastic trail.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #34)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:37 PM

35. I believe that!

My Mom was in a terrible accident in her late 20's and never drove a car again.. The folks moved a few times..things got lost in the move..including her birth certificate after she retired.. I don't even think a couple of my older uncles have birth certificates because they were born at home.

So they are going to punish the "Greatest Generation" and those right behind them because they do not have the documentation.. that is nuts

Many of my older relatives have never had credit cards and that is a thing of pride for them..

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:57 PM

13. Kind of early to start Troll hunting isn't it ?

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Response to bahrbearian (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:39 PM

39. apparenty not nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #39)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:26 AM

41. Ya nailed it , on the 1st post

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:11 PM

25. His stay is over.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:06 PM

44. using your first ever DU post to defend voter ID is quite the dead giveaway

I guess some people aren't very good at trolling.

hey justin

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Response to Name removed (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:35 PM

5. It's not just about segregation. Many of the Jim Crow laws didn't explicitly mention race,

but were selectively enforced by local election officials in a discriminatory way. In this case, the requirements for voter ID have a disproportionately negative effect on the poor, minorities, students, and the elderly.

ID cards cost money. You have to get them in person, which could mean getting time off from work (not so easy if you have a minimum-wage job). The place where you have to get the ID may not be readily accessible via mass transit, so if you don't have a car, that's another hurdle. (Some counties in Texas don't even have their own office to do this; you have to travel to another county.) If you move, you have to make another trip, to update your address. You need a birth certificate, which some elderly don't have.

So, if you've got a car, and money's not tight, and you can take time off from work, it's not so bad. Otherwise, it sucks. All to "fix" a problem that's virtually nonexistent. John Oliver had a great segment about this on The Daily Show, discussing the new voter ID law in North Carolina. In 2012, 4.5 million people voted in NC and there was one case of voter fraud at the polls. As John Oliver pointed out, they might as well have passed a law that says, "Dave can't vote, and he knows why."

btw, welcome to DU!

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Response to Name removed (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:36 PM

7. Requiring ID is a form of poll tax.

 

I would be for an ID law if the government provided national ID, free of charge, at any request. That the government would provide any assistance needed to obtain the ID, including personal guidance and transportation, and assume the financial cost of doing so. That the ID could be issued "on the spot" by census takers and be valid for a lifetime. That a national register of the national ID could be easily accessed at every polling station. That the burden would be on the government to revoke the ID based upon fraudulent registration as opposed to the burden placed upon the individual to pay the poll tax of money and time to required to acquire one.

Under those conditions, I could accept voter ID laws.


Then again, as a tax payer, why would I want to pay for this? Considering the number of documented cases of fraudulent voting does not warrant such laws, it would seem to be a waste of tax payer money.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:50 PM

12. Exactly

That's why I think Holder should go after this as a violation of the 24th amendment as well. In the case of Texas they are making people pay for a copy of their certified birth certificate, I don't know if that's done in the other states with voter ID laws.

And I agree, there just aren't enough cases of voter fraud perpetrated by the voters to warrant the hassle. It's just a pretext to keep a certain demographic from voting.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:30 PM

4. We know that millions have been energized to vote and the GOP is working to prevent them voting.

Good on Holder, the defense of civil rights has been a big part of his life. I hope to see this in every state as it is now going to go to court in N.C., too.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:21 PM

33. i share your hope, freshwest! n.t.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:41 PM

11. Good news but, it is not proper to address the Attorney General as 'General' but

always as Attorney General. He's Attorney General Holder, not General Holder.
http://www.formsofaddress.info/attorney_general.html

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:07 PM

27. I knew they'd come through for us. Amazing how many times Name Removed posted...

... in this thread. Must be a particular interest for him/her.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 05:18 PM

32. People from the right are desperate to prevent anyone from voting except people who are likely

to agree with them. Their efforts are both foolish and short-sighted. The removed poster likely was a far right poster that has been lurking and couldn't resist the hook of the Justice Department attacking voter suppression attempts, the Justice Department under Eric Holder is the Rights boogie-man. The Justice Department is doing exactly what it should do.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2013, 06:18 PM

37. Perfect example of gops projecting on to the Dems what

they're doing. Engaged in massive fraud to suppress voting because so many don't want to vote for their NOTHINGNESS.

Yes, Thank you, AG Holder and POTUS!

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Response to Cha (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:03 PM

43. I know

they shamelessly rig the game and accuse us of cheating.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:26 PM

49. Kick!

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 02:00 PM

47. K&R!

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 03:27 PM

50. k&r...

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