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Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:34 PM

BREAKING: Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours

Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours
David Miranda, partner of Guardian interviewer of whistleblower Edward Snowden, questioned under Terrorism Act
Guardian staff * The Guardian * Sunday 18 August 2013

The partner of the Guardian journalist who has written a series of stories revealing mass surveillance programmes by the US National Security Agency was held for almost nine hours on Sunday by UK authorities as he passed through London's Heathrow airport on his way home to Rio de Janeiro.

David Miranda, who lives with Glenn Greenwald, was returning from a trip to Berlin when he was stopped by officers at 8.30am and informed that he was to be questioned under schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000. The controversial law, which applies only at airports, ports and border areas, allows officers to stop, search, question and detain individuals.

The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows
before officers must release or formally arrest the individual. According to official figures, most examinations under schedule 7 – over 97% – last under an hour, and only one in 2,000 people detained are kept for more than six hours.

Miranda was then released without charge, but officials confiscated electronics equipment including his mobile phone, laptop, camera, memory sticks, DVDs and games consoles.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow

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Reply BREAKING: Glenn Greenwald's partner detained at Heathrow airport for nine hours (Original post)
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 OP
dkf Aug 2013 #1
NightWatcher Aug 2013 #3
MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #2
MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #4
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #5
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #19
drokhole Aug 2013 #29
HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #82
LearningCurve Aug 2013 #121
drokhole Aug 2013 #122
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #30
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #33
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #44
MisterP Aug 2013 #32
grasswire Aug 2013 #6
FirstLight Aug 2013 #9
KoKo Aug 2013 #11
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #13
hootinholler Aug 2013 #17
valerief Aug 2013 #78
KoKo Aug 2013 #7
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #46
RKP5637 Aug 2013 #74
burnodo Aug 2013 #8
SummerSnow Aug 2013 #10
totodeinhere Aug 2013 #41
burnodo Aug 2013 #42
TeamPooka Aug 2013 #53
TeamPooka Aug 2013 #73
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #113
nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #12
Downwinder Aug 2013 #14
NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #15
KoKo Aug 2013 #18
NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #20
SidDithers Aug 2013 #37
Scurrilous Aug 2013 #88
Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #47
Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #16
JDPriestly Aug 2013 #79
NuclearDem Aug 2013 #21
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #22
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #43
AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #23
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #24
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #51
reusrename Aug 2013 #111
JEB Aug 2013 #25
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #34
JEB Aug 2013 #35
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #39
KoKo Aug 2013 #67
CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #56
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #58
frylock Aug 2013 #60
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JDPriestly Aug 2013 #83
Autumn Aug 2013 #71
HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #86
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #89
HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #93
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #107
Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #26
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #27
alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #85
NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #87
Dr. Strange Aug 2013 #98
Cha Aug 2013 #103
alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #106
Cha Aug 2013 #109
Rex Aug 2013 #28
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #31
HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #94
cantbeserious Aug 2013 #36
SidDithers Aug 2013 #38
cantbeserious Aug 2013 #40
iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #55
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #120
burnodo Aug 2013 #45
iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #54
East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #48
Autumn Aug 2013 #49
SidDithers Aug 2013 #50
Matariki Aug 2013 #52
geek tragedy Aug 2013 #57
Aerows Aug 2013 #62
geek tragedy Aug 2013 #63
Aerows Aug 2013 #65
LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #59
Octafish Aug 2013 #61
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #75
tammywammy Aug 2013 #77
sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #81
msanthrope Aug 2013 #117
MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #64
Aerows Aug 2013 #66
JoeyT Aug 2013 #76
Union Scribe Aug 2013 #92
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Aerows Aug 2013 #102
MjolnirTime Aug 2013 #95
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Union Scribe Aug 2013 #91
Aerows Aug 2013 #101
Bonobo Aug 2013 #114
theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #68
HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #97
muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #69
DetlefK Aug 2013 #72
Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #80
alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #84
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #90
HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #99
Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2013 #104
Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #115
Arkana Aug 2013 #105
Savannahmann Aug 2013 #108
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #116
WillyT Aug 2013 #110
struggle4progress Aug 2013 #112
msanthrope Aug 2013 #118
99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #119
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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:36 PM

1. Who requested that action I wonder.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:38 PM

3. I bet Obama did it for shits and giggles

He'd already got bored of golf....

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:37 PM

2. Oh fabulous.

Remain calm. All is well.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:38 PM

4. The message could not be more clear.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:39 PM

5. Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000

Stop and search without reasonable suspicion
No right to legal advice
A criminal offense to refuse to cooperate with questioning thus no right to silence
May be held up to 9 hours

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:53 PM

19. Holy Crap! Is that for reals?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:12 PM

29. The irony that his last name is 'Miranda' is certainly not lost...

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Response to drokhole (Reply #29)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:26 PM

82. Between Snowden ("Catch-22") and the eponymous Miranda, the mind boggles

 

at the synchronicity. Maybe pure serendipity but one does wonder at times.

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #82)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:39 PM

121. Somehow, I missed the Catch-22 connection

 

Thanks

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #82)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:56 PM

122. Wow, good catch!

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:15 PM

30. Ironic that his name is Miranda.

So, now not just Journalists are terrorists but their wives, husbands, partners, mothers, fathers, children, aunts and uncles, grandparents.

That's just about everyone.

This has got to stop. That was pure harassment and intended to be. THIS is why all these 'terror' laws are so dangerous. Because they can be and are being used to terrorize people who have zero to do with terror.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #30)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:18 PM

33. Yep. An attempt at harassment and intimidation

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:40 PM

44. So stupid of them. This will only enhance support for journalists and whistle blowers and

increase opposition to these draconian policies. They must be desperate for some reason. What are they so afraid of??

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:18 PM

32. this is exactly what Rowling was rapping when she wrote Crouch, Sr., and Scrimgeour

heck, even the Blairite water privatization got into Order of the Phoenix

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:39 PM

6. on what basis did they seize all his electronics?

Can they do that without charging him with a crime?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:42 PM

9. ya, that part is bullshit, IMO.

What, are they looking for something of Snowden's on Greenwald's PARTNER'S electronics? where's the subpoena?

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Response to grasswire (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:43 PM

11. Article doesn't say..... But, that sounds really agressive...n/t

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Response to grasswire (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:43 PM

13. Yes. Schedule 7 allows for confiscation of personal property up to 7 days.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:51 PM

17. I don't know about the UK, but the US can and will.

Always send electronics you actually need via FedEx or DHL, etc.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:19 PM

78. Who'll stop them? OTHER men with guns? nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:40 PM

7. Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act has been widely criticised

From the Article:

"Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act has been widely criticised for giving police broad powers under the guise of anti-terror legislation to stop and search individuals without prior authorisation or reasonable suspicion – setting it apart from other police powers. Those stopped have no automatic right to legal advice and it is a criminal offense to refuse to cooperate with questioning under schedule 7, which critics say is a curtailment of the right to silence.

Last month, the UK government announced it would reduce the maximum period of detention to six hours, and promised a review of the operation on schedule 7 amid concerns that it unfairly targets minority groups and gives individuals fewer legal protections than they would have if detained at a police station."

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Response to KoKo (Reply #7)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:42 PM

46. And now it targets the partners of Journalists. I hope this increases the pressure to get rid of it

certainly this is prime example of why it has been so controversial. Abuse of power to the max and more cynical use of the phony 'terror' war.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #46)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:48 PM

74. It is yet another clear indication of where society is headed on the current path. And it's

going to be a horrid place. ... and for many already is ...

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:41 PM

8. Ahh the Nazi state

 

come home to roost

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:37 PM

41. Not funny. n/t

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:38 PM

42. Sounds homophobic to me

 

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:49 PM

53. FYI , I'm the person who alerted on your gay slur post.

Don't do that.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #53)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:43 PM

73. jury results 4-2 to hide it

At Sun Aug 18, 2013, 01:48 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

They thought his penis pump was a bomb that's all
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3483284

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

gay slur.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Aug 18, 2013, 01:54 PM, and voted 4-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #53)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:46 PM

113. Thank you for alerting...

The other day I alerted on a anti-semitic slur against Greenwald and I was pleasantly surprised that the commenter was shown the door.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:43 PM

12. It is a mistake...really

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:44 PM

14. Hope everything was well encrypted, just for the harassment value.

Reciprocity.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:47 PM

15. How many posts will it take to blame Obama???

Not many!



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:52 PM

18. The thought would naturally occur..though.

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Wouldn't it? 's After the Bolivian incident.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:53 PM

20. No doubt. Leader of the free world.

...or so they say.

Sometimes I think Cheeenie's still behind the wheel.



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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:28 PM

37. For the record..

it took 3 replies.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #37)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:33 PM

88. Slower than usual.

Then again, it is the weekend.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:42 PM

47. Looks like you were the first to raise that theme. ON EDIT:

Well, there is post #3. But I think that may have been sarcastic.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:50 PM

16. Remember people! This action had to be done to keep us safe

from terrorists.

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Response to Vinnie From Indy (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:22 PM

79. And. . . . . don't we feel safe~~~~~~~

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 02:57 PM

21. Awful lot of trouble for "just hype."

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:00 PM

22. Yes, this may require yet another new "meme" to be launched

as the "it's all hype" one is wearing out fast.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:38 PM

43. It was to help push the Libertarian/Rand Paul agenda.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:01 PM

23. The Obama yes men / yes women must be cheering at this

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:01 PM

24. Greenwald's article on this incident.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/18/david-miranda-detained-uk-nsa
The stated purpose of this law, as the name suggests, is to question people about terrorism. The detention power, claims the UK government, is used "to determine whether that person is or has been involved in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism."

But they obviously had zero suspicion that David was associated with a terrorist organization or involved in any terrorist plot. Instead, they spent their time interrogating him about the NSA reporting which Laura Poitras, the Guardian and I are doing, as well the content of the electronic products he was carrying. They completely abused their own terrorism law for reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism: a potent reminder of how often governments lie when they claim that they need powers to stop "the terrorists", and how dangerous it is to vest unchecked power with political officials in its name.

Worse, they kept David detained right up until the last minute: for the full 9 hours, something they very rarely do. Only at the last minute did they finally release him. We spent all day - as every hour passed - worried that he would be arrested and charged under a terrorism statute. This was obviously designed to send a message of intimidation to those of us working journalistically on reporting on the NSA and its British counterpart, the GCHQ.

Before letting him go, they seized numerous possessions of his, including his laptop, his cellphone, various video game consuls, DVDs, USB sticks, and other materials. They did not say when they would return any of it, or if they would.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #24)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:47 PM

51. We've been misunderstanding the word 'terrorist'. What it really means is 'Journalists not

under the control of the Corporate Media who tend to tell the truth and don't submit to this kind of intimidation'.

I hope Greenwald and his Partner have protection.

What are they so afraid of? What are they so desperate to hide? What have they been up to?

I keep thinking of Ron Wyden's statement that what we have seen so far is 'just the tip of the iceberg'. And you have to consider that even what he has seen, is the tip of an even bigger iceberg.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #51)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:43 PM

111. Nailed it.

 

Basically,

anti-fascist = terrorist.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:04 PM

25. Will this horseshit never end?

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Response to JEB (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:18 PM

34. Going after a persons "loved ones" is pretty low in my book.

something only thugs do.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:26 PM

35. The stuff of repressive totalitarian regimes.

Smells like global fascism.

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Response to JEB (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:29 PM

39. Indeed. "journalists [and] their family members were targeted for arbitrary detention or arrest"

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #39)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:30 PM

67. It slams what we tell the rest of the word to do right back in our face...

And, that this can be done to any citizen in the word passing through London without them even having a lawyer present is frightening. Do we know how many people might have been flagged and who didn't have good connections who might have been whisked away to one of our Detention Centers. Who would know?

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:17 PM

56. Do you have a theory about which particular "thug" or "thugs" are responsible?

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #56)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:20 PM

58. Going after a persons "loved ones" is thuggery, as in a TACTIC

... a tactic that has a distinctly unsavory smell to it, at that.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #56)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:23 PM

60. gee, who do you think wields that kind of influence?

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Response to frylock (Reply #60)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:33 PM

70. Just confirming that

the formerly RW "Chicago Thug" meme is looking to go mainstream here.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #70)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:26 PM

83. We are what we do.

Pretty is as pretty does. Thugish is as thugish does I suppose.

If you act like a Democrat, you will be respected as a Democrat.

If you act like a thug, you will be called a thug.

Not naming any names. Don't need to.

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Response to frylock (Reply #60)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:34 PM

71. I would bet that it would be the US Government.

And if this is exactly how it happened it's going to make the administration look very bad.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #34)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:31 PM

86. If I remember Mario Puzo correctly, even the Mafia declared 'loved ones' off limits. I may

 

be mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure La Cosa Nostra had a code of honor, such that 'civilians' were not touched.

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #86)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:39 PM

89. I believe you are correct

but there is some confusion about it, because it was sometimes breached, but never-the-less,
I think there was indeed such a code of honor.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #89)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:55 PM

93. I just read the full Greenwald statement on another thread and discovered he

 

made a similar point. I guess great minds think alike

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #93)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:17 PM

107. I love it when that happens. eom

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:05 PM

26. Government Conspiracy Proven

and reason for some paranoia

Eat that PS.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:10 PM

27. +1

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #26)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:28 PM

85. PS?

Who's that?

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #85)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:31 PM

87. I know, I know!

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #85)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:03 PM

98. It is difficult to make sense of...

I must profess.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #85)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:33 PM

103. Another poster obsessed with ProSense.. poor things have

terminal PSDS.

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Response to Cha (Reply #103)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:08 PM

106. That can't be true

That would mean that the poster was trying to avoid a rule violation through stealth naming presumably recognizable to the posters friends, but vague enough to be denied to authorities, and that can't be the case, because that would make the poster not only a juvenile shithead acting like a bully with a pack of likeminded junior-high level bullying assholes, but also an extreme fucking coward who can't even stand behind the force of his or her accusation, and I know that neither of those scenarios (shithead bully winking to other bully friends, and/or pathetic cowardly asshole) can possibly be true of Ichingcarpenter, who is a long-serving member in good standing and would never stoop to pathetic, cowardly, bullying call-outs of that sort.

I reject your claim categorically!

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #106)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:28 PM

109. lol.. Exactly.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:12 PM

28. Last name is Miranda?

Is the universe trying to crap out a secret message or something?

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Response to Rex (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:17 PM

31. lol - nice catch. nt

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Response to Rex (Reply #28)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:59 PM

94. +1 - nt

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:26 PM

36. America The Beautiful - Land Of Despots And Tyrants - Home Of The Oligarchs And Corporatists

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:29 PM

38. You do know that Heathrow is in England, don't you?...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:31 PM

40. Yes - Do You Know We Pay The Brits To Spy On American Citizens

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:13 PM

55. all english speaking nations

have been spying on each others citizens to avoid said countries laws since the late 40s :p

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #40)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 10:13 PM

120. Yes, most of people do know that. Some who know probably approve of it. I wonder how the British

people feel now that they know for sure that their Government is just another puppet Government. Those leaks confirmed what many suspected when Blair earned himself the title 'Bush's Poodle'.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:41 PM

45. And England acts totally independent of the United States...

 

right Candadian Sid?

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Response to burnodo (Reply #45)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:04 PM

54. oh noes!

the new world order has begun! NOOOO!!!

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:43 PM

48. They've gone completely fucking crazy.

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:44 PM

49. This has nothing to do with terrorism. This does reveal who our government considers

to be terrorist though. Yes it happened in the UK but this was done for the US.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:46 PM

50. One...nt

Sid

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:48 PM

52. It would be great if this high profile occurrence will effect law and policy change.

Because this bullshit cannot stand.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:17 PM

57. Seems like an abuse of authority, an explanation is morally required. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #57)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:27 PM

62. At least they don't have children together

It could have been worse with a child in the mix, since that IS his spouse.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #62)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:27 PM

63. Not sure I understand what you're saying. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #63)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:29 PM

65. I'm saying that it's a good thing that they don't have adopted children

or weren't a heterosexual couple because a child in the mix would have been worse, since this was obviously targeted to the spouse and/or family members.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:22 PM

59. They seem to love shitting on South Americans. n/t

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:25 PM

61. Because he tells the truth, Greenwald is considered a dangerous man.

Hope he can keep safe. As for Miranda's Miranda rights. Like in the UK, he hasn't got any, any more, in the USA.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #61)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:10 PM

75. Fortunately they live in Chile, which itself was a victim of the US's Massive Surveillance

program and they are not happy about it.

Now might be a good time for both of them to ask for protection in Chile, asylum actually. Because this incident is a warning to them imo.

Next we may see charges against Greenwald for 'espionage' and they might wait for him to be on his way somewhere.


If that sounds surreal, it is no more so than what has happened to other journalists, and/or organizations, like Wikileaks, or Al Jazeera during the Bush years.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #75)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:12 PM

77. They live in Brazil. n/t

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #77)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:24 PM

81. Thank you, anywhere in S. America is a good place for Western Journalists to be right now.

Brazil also was a victim of US spying and most of South America learned what the US thought of them from the Wikileaks cables.

It's a shame that US allies tend to be Dictatorships around the world, while refusing to deal honestly with true Democracies like those emerging in South America.

We never have liked Democracies very much, looking at our history over the last century, Dictators were far more popular with the US and its European, former Imperialists, allies.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #75)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:59 PM

117. Rio De Janeiro is in Brazil, not Chile. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:28 PM

64. Glenn will be detained much longer once Snowden is brought in.

 

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:30 PM

66. Because no one cares anymore, HammerTime

You say this in every single thread that pops up about this. EVERY single one. No one cares. You can't seem to quit following it, though.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #66)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:12 PM

76. Quite prolific, since

he seems to be typing one handed while fantasizing about torture and indefinite detention.

I don't creep easily. Some of his posts about Greenwald/Snowden have managed it in spades.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #76)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:43 PM

92. Kinda like that Time magazine guy

who recently tweeted how he looked forward to defending the drone strike that takes out Julian Assange. It says a lot more about the person saying such things than it possibly could about their "target."

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #76)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:01 PM

96. unlike Snowden, I don't need a fan club. But thanks for caring.

 

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #96)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:11 PM

102. But can you dance? n/t

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Response to Aerows (Reply #66)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:00 PM

95. The Public at large has moved on. I know that saddens you.

 

That doesn't mean Snowden and Greenwald won't be tried for conspiracy to steal state secrets.

Both things can happen at the same time.

For example,
Bradley Manning was just convicted for his crimes.
Yet most of the American Public doesn't know or care who Bradley Manning is.

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #95)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:05 PM

100. Again, you haven't

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:41 PM

91. You've been saying that for awhile now. nt

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #91)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:06 PM

101. I think he's trying to convince himself

"It's HammerTime"

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Response to MjolnirTime (Reply #64)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:51 PM

114. I imagine the Jüdische Ghetto-Polizei must have sounded like that. nt

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:31 PM

68. "We have met the enemy and he is us." -- Pogo

We have successfully become what we once most despised.

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Response to theHandpuppet (Reply #68)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:02 PM

97. I was just thinking "We defended the Brits from the Nazis for this?" So the Walt

 

Kelly reference is quite a propos, imho.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:33 PM

69. Wanting to get all the electronic data would be part of the motive

In case Greenwald has put some of his data there as a back-up if he is detained. This might, conceivably, include looking for the encryption code for the Wikileaks 'insurance' data.

Plus a bit of intimidation too.

This makes me ashamed for my country. Sorry, Rest of the World.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 04:37 PM

72. And I bet he got a trojan on his smartphone for free!

Seriously. He can scrap all that electronic equipment and start anew.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:23 PM

80. knr

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:27 PM

84. The Grand Farce of a Soap Opera continues

Oh no. Not Greenwald's partner!



This is a clownfest.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #84)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:41 PM

90. I venture a guess

that if it were your partner, you wouldn't be laughing.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:04 PM

99. +Infinity! The Empathy Deficit Disorder on display is really something, isn't it? - nt

 

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Response to HardTimes99 (Reply #99)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:01 PM

104. I am seeing some seriously ugly shit here -

the kind that makes my skin crawl. The ignore button is looking better and better....

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #90)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:53 PM

115. That comment was horribly cruel. If my husband was held by authorities

for 9 hours and I was unable to speak to him directly or by proxy through a lawyer, I would be in great distress.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #84)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 07:08 PM

105. Yeah, I'm not really getting the "Illuminati" vibe here.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:28 PM

108. What does a Free Press get us?

It means we can debate the topics that matter freely. It means that in the 1850's, people could write about Slavery, and the public could consider the issue. It means that during the 1960's, we could consider the issues of the war in Viet-Nam.

So where in history can we find a time when things could not be discussed? Foreign history, plenty of examples. American History, some examples too. In the 1950's you couldn't print that the Government was using the Red Scare to intimidate people into compliance. You couldn't print that while there may be Communists in Government, that hunting them with such a dense instrument was asinine. You couldn't write that it was a witch-hunt of the worst sort.

It's amazing that so many people on our side, the traditional side of Civil Rights, have abandoned those principles of late.

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #108)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:55 PM

116. "uninformed consent" is an oxymoron.

"consent" that is based on lies and deception is not real consent.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:30 PM

110. K & R !!!


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Response to 99th_Monkey (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 08:44 PM

112. ... Mr Miranda ... had spent the previous week in Berlin visiting Laura Poitras ... who has .. been

helping to disseminate Mr Snowden's leaks. The trip had been paid for by The Guardian, Mr Greenwald said ...
Snowden journalist's partner detained under terror law
August 19, 2013 - 10:22AM
Charlie Savage
http://www.smh.com.au/world/snowden-journalists-partner-detained-under-terror-law-20130819-2s5vz.html

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #112)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:05 PM

118. The Guardian paid for the trip? A bit odd, no? nt

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #112)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:12 PM

119. "More than 97 percent of people stopped under the provision are questioned for under an hour,

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... according to the British government." Miranda was held for exactly 9 hours, the absolute maximum allowed. If that doesn't suggest that this was deliberate harassment I don't know what would.

“What’s amazing is this law, called the Terrorism Act, gives them a right to detain and question you about your activities with a terrorist organization or your possible involvement in or knowledge of a terrorism plot,” Mr. Greenwald said. “The only thing they were interested in was N.S.A. documents and what I was doing with Laura Poitras." {i.e. they were NOT questioned about anything to do with terrorism, which is what the law says the purpose of the questioning is supposed to be)

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #119)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:30 AM

123. Sounds like good old repression to me.

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