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Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:41 PM

 

Raw milk causes most illnesses from dairy, study finds

Unpasteurized milk, touted as the ultimate health food by some, is 150 times more likely to cause food-borne illness outbreaks than pasteurized milk, and such outbreaks had a hospitalization rate 13 times higher than those involving pasteurized dairy products, a study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finds.

The survey found 121 outbreaks linked to dairy products in which it was known whether the milk was pasteurized or unpasteurized (also called "raw"). Of those, 60% were caused by raw milk and 39% by pasteurized milk.

"When you consider that no more than 1% of the milk consumed in the United States is raw, it's pretty startling to see that more of the outbreaks were caused by raw milk than pasteurized," says Barbara Mahon, senior author on the paper and deputy director of enteric diseases at CDC.

The 13-year review, published in this month's edition of the journal Emerging Infectious Diseases, is one of the largest done to date. It also found that states where the sale of raw milk is legal have twice as many outbreaks as states where it is illegal.

http://yourlife.usatoday.com/fitness-food/safety/story/2012-02-21/Raw-milk-causes-most-illnesses-from-dairy/53196680/1?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:46 PM

1. Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award

The "To Figure This Out, You Had To Do A Freaking STUDY?" category


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:58 PM

7. I was thinking more along the lines of the "Beating a Dead Horse" award.

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Response to renie408 (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:06 PM

14. Oh, we have those in stock, too


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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:47 PM

2. You drinks your milk and you takes your chances.

The trouble is that a lot of people don't know that unpasteurized milk causes far more incidents of GI illnesses than pasteurized. In fact, to hear the raw milk advocates, you'd think that raw milk was far better for you. Then, when you're puking your guts out, you might reconsider.

States that have strict laws regarding raw milk do much better in terms of this.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:02 PM

29. I think with milk pasteurization is important

but pasteurization with other produce often kills beneficial bacteria your GI can make use. So there are pros and cons to pasteurization of foods.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:15 PM

40. I'm only talking about milk.

I didn't mention any other foods.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:01 PM

80. It's not just that either

Pasteurization essentially cooks the milk. Proteins, vitamins, and enzymes are denatured. The taste is changed significantly.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:49 PM

3. Left to the right wing

there would be no science like that which developed pasteurizing nor an FDA to make sure our food is safe.
Thanks to liberals over the decades we have advanced as a culture but that isn`t always profitable for a few so they want to undo it.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:50 PM

4. Perhaps the RW should experience the "health benefits" of raw milk. nt

 

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:59 PM

9. I bet one of which

is a good case of the shits.
Seeing how that is what they are full of it may actually help them.

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Response to libtodeath (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:57 PM

6. Funny though


Most of the people who defend raw milk are "progressives," the same people who asked for those things.

Isn't that irony?

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Response to Confusious (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:35 PM

25. if God didn't want us to drink raw cow milk

he wouldn'ta made us look like this!

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:56 PM

5. well duh..

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:59 PM

8. We get it. Raw Milk is the root of all evil.

You should probably not drink any, then.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:00 PM

10. That doesn't faze me one bit. I buy raw milk from trusted farmns when

I have the opportunity. There is really no comparison.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:03 PM

11. I just stop at a farm and drink it right from the teet. nt

 

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:04 PM

12. To each his own.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:05 PM

13. I've been hearing more and more how pasteurized milk causes autism so there is that to worry about.

 

nt

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

46. Are you serious?

Because this sounds like absolute bullshit.

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Response to Archae (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 07:55 PM

70. I think the poster forgot to add a sarcasm tag

At least that's how I'm reading it.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:03 AM

50. I googled it...

The allegation that pasteurized milk causes autism comes from "Dr." Joseph Mercola, who is walking proof that medical degrees really do come in corn flake boxes.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 09:53 PM

75. I'm not surprised in the least.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:20 PM

65. Darn tootin'!

 

They are effing with the Amish and that's where I get majorly pissed. Leave them Amish alone!

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Response to uranus is my home (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 10:55 PM

78. Most Amish dairy farmers don't sell raw milk. This is not about the Amish.

This is about how a few farmers, some of which are Amish, sell raw milk and both seller and buyer are in denial about the risks.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:12 PM

16. They're "trusted farms" until they're not.

You don't have to be buying raw milk from the back of somebody's van in order to get sick. That's rather the point.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:16 PM

18. And you can't get raw milk in stores. That is rather my point.

There is no comparison, the risks are minimal and I'm more than willing to take them. After using only raw milk, the store's milk is undrinkable.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:34 PM

24. Cleaver and raw milk go well together.

 

I once had cleaver as a kid. I was able to lift a car.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:57 PM

27. I'm pretty sure you can

Seeing as I have seen raw milk in multiple stores within the last week.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:00 PM

28. Depends on the state. I can't where I am.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:04 PM

39. yup

I grew up on raw milk. Store bought is not the same...and out of old habit, I still shake the store milk.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:36 PM

37. They are trusted until the 9th time on the toilet. nt

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:30 PM

56. Yes. Because germ theory doesn't apply on trusted farms. nt

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #56)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:33 PM

57. I know where it comes from and the taste is far superior to

anything store bought. There are risks in everything, this is one I gladly take on.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:33 PM

92. Most of the folks replying to your psot are the very reason

Why I avoid many posts on DU about health, and food.
Easier to hang out at organic farming and farmer market web sites, than to deal with ridicule here.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:06 PM

15. There is a technical/scientific term for this

Duh.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:13 PM

17. Funny thing is, in places in the world where there isn't any

Homogenization of the milk, and it is left much purer than all the contaminates that Americans are drinking with each glass, the rates of heart attack are lower.

The Danish people have one of the most dairy intensive diets on the face of the earth. But there, the milk doesn't endanger their hearts due to the fact that the Danish don't allow homogenization process to be part of the picture.

Here's what homogenisation is about:

Homogenization is a process that came about in the Twentieth Century and some people say it is "the worst thing that dairymen did to milk." Whenever milk is homogenized, the product is squeezed through very fine filters at pressures exceeding 4,000 pounds per square inch. Here is the most important aspec t to consider regarding the process: during this process, the fat globules are made smaller by a factor of ten times or more. These fat molecules then become evenly dispersed throughout the milk.

It is the fact that the dairy particles are made so small that offers the particles the ability to affect our heart muscles. Without homogenisation, our nation would probably have rates of heart attack is line with those of the Danish people.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:17 PM

19. Causation <> Correlation. nt

 

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

20. Everything you just said is wrong.

For starters, yes, milk is homogenized in Denmark. Also, there's no such thing as "dairy particles", and they aren't passed directly into your bloodstream. Milk is broken down in the intestines just like everything else.

Lastly, you have absolutely no source for that text you just quoted, and there is zero scientific evidence that homogenization has anything to do with rates of heart disease or heart attack.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 10:01 PM

47. When you have had thirty seven articles published, with one of

Them read into the record of the United Nations, get back to me.



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Response to TheWraith (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:01 PM

48. Oh and the study that refutes my being wrong is this one:

Two Connecticut cardiologists, Oster and Ross, researched the consumption of milk, and its impact and adverse effects on the body and what they discovered is this: that Bovine Xanthene Oxidase (BXO) survived long enough to compromise every one of three hundred heart attack victims over a five-year period.

Their findings were confirmed, and published in 1981 in the Proceedings of the Society for Experimental Biology and Medicine (vol. 163:1981):

"It has been shown that milk antibodies are significantly elevated in the blood of male patients with heart disease."

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:24 PM

21. I grew up on a farm.

My father kept a few cows, and he sold the cream to a local dairy. The skim milk was fed to the pigs, and a little whole milk was kept for our family's use.

I do not like milk as a beverage, and once I was old enough to refuse, I never willingly drank it. But I remember the unhomogenized milk from our cows that had the flecks of cream floating on top. I was a somewhat picky eater, and that repulsed me. I think that is why I never liked milk.

(My mother pasteurized the milk before it was consumed by our family.)

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Response to Silver Swan (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 09:58 PM

45. I only had raw milk like that at a yearly picnic my

Family attended. It tasted totally different from the "store bought" milk I got.

I drink very little milk, usually only in coffee, but ice cream is a big favorite of mine.

I am curious, though: do how remember how your mom pasteurized the milk?

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:33 PM

58. Heat. nt

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:33 PM

23. magic!

I think informed consumers should be able to buy whatever they want but arguments like that only hurt the cause. jeebus take a science class.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:17 PM

34. HAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Do you have ANY idea how digestion works?

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:54 PM

44. I read of the connection between coronary heart disease and homogenization.

years ago. 1st it should be noted that homogenization is not disease prevention. It just keeps the cream from separating and rising to the top (mmmm!)

It was noted that young men killed during the Korean war showed advance arterial scaring and plaque build up. Homogenization breaks the membrane of the fat globules. One theory is that this released enzymes that caused the scaring of the blood vessels giving the plaques a toe hold.

I never heard about the Danes but that is interesting to say the least.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:53 AM

52. Homgenenization = breaking fat into small molecules so the particulates do not stratify

via weight. Pasteurization = killing harmful bacteria.

Without smoking heart disease would probably be at a modicum in our nation.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:28 PM

59. Actually, even in places like Calif., where smoking is at an all time low, women in their thirtie

And forties are having record numbers of deaths due to fast and aggressive lung cancers. Most of these women weren't smokers.

Anyone ever think the Glade, Febreeze and other air sprays might be the problem? Maybe perfumes too? The other factor could be that living in a big city means your lungs receive the damage of a pack and a half of cigarette smoke every single day.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 07:26 PM

68. Who said anything about cancer?

I was talking about heart disease.

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #68)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 09:28 PM

91. My point is that right now we have ourselves an epidemic in that

there is a new type of aggressive lung cancer that seems to affect younger women, who have never smoked.

Thousands of women are suffering from this aggressive lung cancer each year. And many succumb to the disease.

Yet it is barely mentioned in our news media. On the other hand, this article that the OP came from focuses on 113 cases of illness (in a nation of 303 million people) regarding a product, that is, raw milk, that is extremely hard to even purchase.

What is wrong with this picture?

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #91)

Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:02 PM

93. Statistics for one thing.

Not many people have access to raw milk, so of course cancer > raw milk. Listeria can kill though, as can salmonella. As for the lung cancer, honestly, if you live in a smog infested city, this is inevitable for some of the population who are sensitive to it. I do not think I would put frebreeze and lysol as the likely candidates, but I agree wholeheartedly that smog and such pose a real health risk.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:33 PM

22. pasteurization is part of the conspiracy to degrade our aura integrity

fortunately when the indigo generation teams up with the star folks lunar colony and brings the healing crystal energy of the goddess back up to its proper level, this won't be a problem.


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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 04:39 PM

26. FDA’s crackdown on raw-milk cheese based on flawed data analysis

 

http://grist.org/food-safety/2011-02-10-what-will-the-fda-do-about-the-60-day-aging-rule-for-raw-milk/

Has there been a serious jump in illnesses from raw-milk cheese recently? You might think so if you’ve read recent major pieces in The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/05/business/05cheese.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper and The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/05/AR2011020502210.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2011020503601 — or the study put together by product liability law firm Marler Clark, http://www.marlerblog.com/legal-cases/the-raw-milk-beat-goes-on-a-look-at-the-literature-and-the-60-day-raw-milk-cheese-aging-rule---updat/ which documented 54 illnesses attributed to raw milk cheese in 2010.

The FDA is certainly concerned. It has been considering significantly tightening the rule that allows producers to sell unpasteurized cheeses to the public, so long as they have been aged 60 days. Major changes to the 60-day rule could severely damage the growing artisanal cheese industry, some of whose products command $20 to $25 a pound. What none of these sources discussed is how the illnesses attributed to raw milk cheese last year compared to other years. The 60-day aging rule for raw milk cheese has been in effect since 1949, partially in response to outbreaks of typhoid attributed to raw milk cheese. All of which prompts this question: Have illnesses from raw milk cheeses been a serious public health problem since then?

Since none of the articles or the Marler Clark study addressed that question, I decided to do some searching through the data. I examined the data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) from 1973 throgh 2008 — a period of 36 years. For data covering 1998-2008, I used the online CDC database http://wwwn.cdc.gov/foodborneoutbreaks/Default.aspx on foodborne illnesses, and scrolled through all the reported illnesses year by year, beginning in 1998 (the first year covered) looking for those attributed to unpasteurized and pasteurized milk cheeses. I didn’t count those attributed to queso fresca, a soft cheese that isn’t aged and thus isn’t legal under FDA regulations. For data going back to 1973, the CDC provided a table http://grist.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/cdc-foodborne-i.pdf on illnesses from raw milk and associated products in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund http://www.ftcldf.org/ in 2007.

Here’s what I found:

Remarkably, from 1973 to 1999, a period of 26 years, there’s not a single report of illness from either raw milk or pasteurized milk cheeses. It’s only in 2000 that we see the first illnesses from raw milk cheese — one outbreak in 2000 that sickened 18, then two outbreaks in 2001 leading to 31 illnesses, and one outbreak sickening 18 in 2003.


Thereafter, the pace of illnesses picks up, though sporadically. After no illnesses were reported in 2004 and 2005, the data in 2006 show 121 illnesses from raw milk cheese, and in 2007, the number has increased to 162. Then, there were no reported illnesses in 2008. Interestingly, illnesses from pasteurized milk cheese begin showing up in recent years as well. In 2006, there were 41 illnesses from pasteurized milk cheese, and 161 in 2007. In 2008, when there were no illnesses from raw milk cheese, there were 45 from pasteurized milk cheese. Pulling it all together, the CDC data show 350 illnesses from raw milk cheese over the nine years from 2000-2009, or an average of 39 per year. (If you average the number out over the entire 36-year period, the average goes down to nine per year.) While there were fewer illnesses from pasteurized milk cheeses during that same nine-year period — 247 — there was one death.

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my take:

According to the regulations in the European Union (including here in Sweden) all raw milk products are "legal" and considered "safe for human consumption", and can be sold without any price, variety or quantity restrictions. However, the European countries are free to add certain requirements, usually special sanitary regulations and frequent quality tests (at least once per month) are mandatory.

http://www.reading.ac.uk/foodlaw/f-eu-law.htm

Your FDA (Obama-appointed Michael Taylor of MONSANTO is your food safety czar, ffs! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-smith/youre-appointing-who-plea_b_243810.html ) works in tandem with big agra/pharma businesses to enforce a corporate facistist model of state control that crushes the small and medium sized business, well exempting the large multi-nationals from much-needed oversight. The so-called 'safe' mainstream products from these corporate overlords are oftentimes worse in terms of long-term effects and basic outcomes than many natural or unprocessed products. Disgusting.


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http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/milk.htm

Why is American Milk Banned in Europe?

American dairy milk is genetically-modified unless it’s labeled “NO rBGH”
Genetically-engineered bovine growth hormone (rBGH) in milk increases cancer risks.
American dairy farmers inject rBGH to dairy cows to increase milk production.

European nations and Canada have banned rBGH to protect citizens from IGF-1 hazards.

Monsanto Co., the manufacturer of rBGH, has influenced U. S. product safety laws permitting the sale of unlabeled rBGH milk. (Monsanto would lose billions of dollars if rBGH were banned in America.)

Q. Is there any milk not contaminated with rBGH and IGF-1?
A. Yes. Milk that is clearly labeled “NO rBGH” is free of rBGH and does not contain excess levels of IGF-1.

Q. What about cheeses?
A. American-made cheeses are contaminated with rBGH and excess levels of IGF-1 unless they’re labeled “NO rBGH”. Imported European cheeses are safe since Europe has banned rBGH.

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Response to stockholmer (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:05 PM

54. I don't think of once a month as "frequent" quality tests

Frequent is more like once per batch or multiple times per day. Acceptable might be once per production day per product. If you are only testing once per month, you are missing a lot and people could be sick before you realize that you have a serious problem.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:45 PM

30. I drank raw milk from birth to 18-

but my own grandfather and I pulled the teats and filtered it for the entire family.

New filters, sterilized buckets, all good--

it is the best, creamiest stuff on earth. From grass-eating cows. Two or three at most-good milkers-no kickers.

I would not buy it, though, without doing it myself.

You take the cream from the top, add salt and turn it into butter, with a little work.

You don't know what you are missing--but if I had kids-I sure would not buy that stuff, process unseen.

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Response to digonswine (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:54 PM

31. Darwin works in mysterious ways. nt

 

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:01 PM

32. Not sure if that is snark-

I was saying that if done correctly, raw milk is safe. If not-not safe.

Again--I would not feed raw milk to my family.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:43 PM

42. I know that is snark, but has raw milk been linked to any deaths?

On your crusade against raw milk, surely you would be one who know the answer.

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Response to digonswine (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:39 PM

84. yummmm

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #84)

Wed Feb 29, 2012, 12:12 PM

94. You know it!!

Them there days are gone

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:14 PM

33. One percent of milk causing 60% of illnesses.

Healthy stuff.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 09:27 PM

72. That's not what the report says

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:02 PM

35. I was born in the 40s and my father was a dairy farmer. As kids we drank milk from his herd but I

remember that the milk we sold was regularly tested to make sure it was not from a cow that was sick - especially with TB. I do understand the desire to be able to get raw milk to make cheese and such as we did that on our farm for years. I am interested in knowing how much fact there was in our fear of TB from raw milk? Is there evidence from a reliable source for this?

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Response to jwirr (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 04:35 PM

60. What I don't understand is that there are so many

Food related illnesses at this time, which rarely get mentioned, except in terms of selling a person a drug.

There are now record numbers of people using anti acids and drugs like Prilosec to deal with digestive issues. Record numbers of people being affected by the body's inability to deal with the RoundUp-saturated geneticlly modified grains - the rice, corn and wheat now produced in our nation. These grains are forbidden by law to go to other nations,a s those other nations don't want it, so we Americans have become the guinea pigs for the GM manufacturers.

People whose esophagal tissues are being wrecked by acid reflux. Often, if the damage continues, the person is at a very high risk of having esophagal cancers and stomach cancers.

We are talking about hundreds of thousands of people that have the grains in their diet hurting them. Yet here is this "news worthy" item, focusing on 113 illnesses, that is designed to make us all paranoid of a substance that is almost impossible to even buy!

I live in the country, and yet, the local health food stores are not carrying the raw milk products. Unless you own your own cows, you can't get the raw milk stuff.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #60)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:05 PM

81. Just follow the money and you'll have your answer

Raw milk is produced and marketed by very small operations that don't generate billions in sales and have trade associations and lobbyists that cost millions dedicated to crushing any and all competition.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:13 PM

36. I don't drink any milk, but I think people should be allowed to buy raw milk if they want.

I have no problems with non-FDA approved food being sold in the US if the food is extremely well labeled.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:44 PM

38. People should also be allowed to shoot themselves in the head

so yes, I agree with you.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:38 PM

41. Exactly. A reasoned and rational post.

Put the warnings clearly on it. I prefer raw milk. I buy it from underground farms when I can, but wish I could buy it in stores. I take the risks on. It is worth it to me.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:26 PM

82. If you read the CDC report, you can figure out what your risk is

The report is here:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/18/3/pdfs/11-1370.pdf

What the report doesn't say is that much of the risk from "raw milk" actually comes from queso fresco which is being made illegally (and usually from raw goats milk) from within immigrant communities. So first of all, if you're not eating cheese made from raw milk, your 'risk' drops significantly.

If you dig into the report, you'll see that from drinking raw milk, 930 people became sick and 71 were hospitalized. This is over a 13 year period. So on average, per year, 71 people get sick and 5.5 are hospitalized. About 9 million people per year consume raw milk. This means you have about a 2 million to 1 chance of becoming seriously ill from raw milk in any given year. You are 451 times more likely to be injured mowing your lawn. You are 83 times more likely to be injured by fireworks. You are 733 times more likely to die from slipping in the shower or bathtub.

Keep in mind by the time that the government is paying millions for all the studies they commissioned, the people they are paying doing the investigations and enforcement all in an effort to keep you safe from raw milk. That certainly makes me feel safe when I go to bed at night knowing the government is doing such a great job looking after me.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #82)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:52 AM

90. Thank you, I'll be taking a closer look.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 08:49 PM

43. raw milk is not for everyone

I loved it growing up, none of us ever got sick from it. Yeah, I know, anecdotal and all...we had a good kind of co-op going on with a group of teachers from my father's school where he taught. Everyone traded...veggies, raw milk, meat etc...all home grown, all natural, organic...no chemicals and crap. We were rarely sick growing up.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Fri Feb 24, 2012, 11:13 PM

49. WTF is going on with this "Raw Milk" thing?

I just thought that it was RonPaul pandering to the crazies. But some folks that I thought were pretty sane were going off about how they should be allowed to drink raw milk. Frankly, if you want to drink milk straight from the cow's udder, knock yourself out. Enjoy your E. Coli cocktail with your freedom from Big Government.

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:46 AM

51. Anti-vaxers had to go somewhere. nt

 

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #51)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:19 PM

63. Right here, baby!

 

Come shill away, come shill away, come SHILL away at me...LAD!

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 01:12 PM

55. Then you agree with those that want to drink raw milk.

If someone wants to drink raw milk, they should be able. They can choose to assume the risks.

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:18 PM

62. Actually

 

sheeple like you consume dairy in factory farms. Raw milk is produced in family settings. That is why "they" (Illuminati) want so desperately to shut them down. Anything that produces health within the body is very much against their agenda. So either you're shilling for the CIA or are just part of the brainwashed masses. Baa!

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Response to AnnieBW (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 10:55 PM

77. Some people are able to recognize when big dairy is getting the government to do their dirty work

9 million people in the US are drinking raw milk every year yet only 5.5 people on average are going to the hospital and in 13 years nobody died from it. If you run the numbers you'll find you have a LOT more to worry about from drowning in your bathtub.

See post #76 for a detailed explanation of what's really going on.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:56 AM

53. But homemade butter is so good

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 05:16 PM

61. Too effing bad. I have some raw milk cheese in my fridge

 

Can't wait to go home and eat it.

The government is full of banana oil, they lie and suck. The end!

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Response to uranus is my home (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 06:13 PM

66. it's like fen-phen

 

The government just didn't want the masses getting thin and healthy so they took it away.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 08:07 PM

71. are you seriously comparing

the two?

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:00 AM

87. Huh?

It took the government over 20 years to pull Fenfluramine/phentermine from the market.

Do you work for the FDA? Why are you such an authoritarian suck up?

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Response to girl gone mad (Reply #87)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:03 AM

88. Because some people don't mind being a tool for the industry

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #88)

Sun Feb 26, 2012, 12:17 AM

89. Or just a tool, in general.

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 06:56 PM

67. purely anecdotal

But, I have been drinking raw millk since late 1981. We also had raw milk when we had our own family cow during the 50's. My younger brother would ingest nothing else for several months. The only time that I have had intestinal problems was when I went on Omeprezol for my heartburn. My theory is that the omeprezol stops the acid in the stomach and therefore allows germs/bacteria that would normally be killed by the stomach acid to go on through the gut. No scientific evidence, just my own feelings. I just got told that I can no longer get the raw milk from the local farmer. That fucking sucks. I don't like the flavor of pasteurized (bastardized) milk. It is way too sweet tasting. We had goats from 1981 til 1999 and then cow raw milk since then. Bastardization kills off the very enzymes needed to digest the milk. Oh, and I'm in my late 60's and in pretty darn good health.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 07:39 PM

69. plenty of acid with our without heartburn meds.

 

Nt

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 09:39 PM

73. Meh.

Who cares?

Let people eat what they want to eat... jeez.

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Response to Texasgal (Reply #73)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 10:58 PM

79. Some people aren't happy unless they are telling others how to run their lives

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 10:42 PM

76. And now for the rest of the story

The CDC and the FDA have been on a crusade against raw milk for some time now. Why? Well even though raw milk represents only about 3% or less than the market share, it's a growing market. Therefore it's a threat to the dairy industry. The dairy industry is huge. Seen those "got milk?" ads? Brought to you by the dairy industry. The dairy lobby is huge, and the price of milk is highly regulated by a scheme that heavily favors the dairy industry. Read about how this innovator was crushed by big dairy...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/09/AR2006120900925.html

Read about how the dairy industry crushes competion from soy milk...
http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/04/dairy-lobby-tries-ban-soy-milk

The dairy industry contributes millions to politicians and most of that goes to Republicans...
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=a04

So now the dairy industry is going after raw milk. By reading this article, you might walk away with the conclusion that raw milk is a very unsafe product, but is it really? Try doing a web search on the 10 riskiest foods and you won't find raw milk. You'll find things like sprouts, oysters, lunchmeat, tomatoes, potatoes, and ice cream (made from pasteurized milk).
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33183857/ns/health-food_safety/t/riskiest-foods-america/

But, but, but, what about this article the OP posted? Go look at the article and dig a little deeper. Click on the actual report (which leaves a lot of information out, suspiciously), but let's look at what it does say. Over 13 years almost half of the cases of people getting sick from unpasteurized milk products were from cheese. Unpasteurized cheese also resulted in almost twice the number of hospitalizations and all of the deaths compared to unpasteurized whole milk (131 vs 71 hospitalizations). Why is that? Something called queso fresco (and it's cousin queso Oaxaca). It's often made by unlicensed producers(from goats milk usually), or in other words in the kitchens of poor immigrant communities who make it for resale. Almost all the illnesses caused by unpasteurized cheese products can be traced back to illegal Mexican style cheese operations.

So take Mexican style cheese out of the equation and what do you have? Well, you wind up with 903 illnesses, 71 hospitalizations, and zero deaths over a 13 year period from raw milk. Divide 71 by 13 years and you get an average of 5.5 hospitalized each year from the consumption of liquid raw milk. Keep in mind that about 9 million people in the US are consuming unpasteurized dairy products. The chances of getting seriously ill are almost statistically zero. Sound unsafe to you?

But, but, but, what about pasteurized milk? Pasteurized milk makes more people sick and puts more people in the hospital. According to the report, pasteurized dairy made 2842 people sick of which 37 were hospitalized and 1 died.

So if pasteurized dairy is making more people sick, why doesn't the CDC and the FDA go after them too? Well you might say that since pasteurized milk has a lower risk (due to much more volume), that's why they are getting a pass. I would say, what difference does that make? There are plenty of foods that are much riskier than raw milk that the CDC and FDA is NOT going after. If the government were really interested in public health (as they should be), they should be going after the products that are making the most people sick, shouldn't they?

Well, it turns out there's a really good reason why the government is not going after pasteurized milk. The reason is because pasteurized milk is a very safe food product. Damn safe even. So when you compare the risk of pasteurized milk to unpasteurized milk, unpasteurized milk loses, but that doesn't mean it's inherently unsafe. It's kinda like comparing a Volvo to a Prius. The Volvo might be safer, but that doesn't mean the Prius is unsafe.

Over 100,000 people in the US are hospitalized with foodborne illnesses each year. 3,000 of those people die. So why is the CDC and the FDA have a full court press going on against liquid raw milk that only manages to hospitalize 5.5 people each year and kill no one? Keep in mind that once you count up the money spent on these studies and the amount of people the government has employed in enforcement actions adds up in the millions of dollars (tax dollars). Kinda makes you go, hmmmmm. At least it does me anyway. Looks like the dairy industry is getting a bit of payback for the $4.8 million they spent in the 2008 election cycle.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #76)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:43 PM

85. Thank you for digging into things

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #85)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:54 PM

86. Here's something else. The dairy industry spent almost $7 million on lobbying last year

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Response to Snake Alchemist (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2012, 11:37 PM

83. I have no problem with raw milk

I work near a very old farm where I buy organic meats, cheeses and milk. Incidentally the farm is directly behind Gillette Stadium where the Patriots play.

If you are from MA/RI check out Lawton's family form sometime.

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